All Ireland Junior Club Semi Final

lala88 · 22-01-2012 8:01pm #1

Wasn't at the game but listened to the match on the radio but according to the commentators, the Tyrone teams behaviour was appalling. A Dromid player drove a guy over the line with a shoulder in the first half and it led to a melee, with the Tyrone teams subs jumping over the hoarding from their position in the stand and punching and kicking Dromid players. Mentors also got involved. According to the the Dromid commentators subs stayed in the stand.

Declan Sullivan was the subject of endless intimidation, late belts and verbal abuse. During the first half incident, two of the Tyrone players tried to throw Declan over the hoarding into the stand. He also got a lot of abuse after the game.

Was anyone at the game that could give a better account of what happened?

dartbhoy · 22-01-2012 10:32pm

I listened to the 2nd half of the game and judging by the commentary of the Radio Kerry commentary team Derrytresk were doing nothing but belting and fighting all over the field yet the Tyrone team winning the game by 7 points and Dromid having 2 players sent off would suggest a different story?

The_Kew_Tour · 22-01-2012 10:38pm

Tyrone club teams seem to be in trouble all the time.

homerjay2005 · 22-01-2012 10:40pm

declan sullivan assaulted and also attacked with a f*cking handbag after the game.

you couldnt make it up. what sort of animals are involved in tyrone club football?

dartbhoy · 22-01-2012 10:43pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Tyrone club teams seem to be in trouble all the time.

Yes there's no denying that,there seems to be a lot of trouble with games involving Tyrone club sides. There seems to be a very bitter rivalry after developing between Kerry and Tyrone in the last decade or so in both county and club games. I would like to get an opinion from someone who was at the game rather than judge what was been said on the radio.

shockframe · 22-01-2012 11:04pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

declan sullivan assaulted and also attacked with a f*cking handbag after the game.

you couldnt make it up. what sort of animals are involved in tyrone club football?

Ah sure it was only handbags stuff.

Prop Joe · 22-01-2012 11:25pm

Was at the game today..Teams were evenly matched throughout prob overall the better team won but the extra man really killed Dromid..Hard game prob what you would expect for a tense close AI semi-final..But...In the first half the invasion of Subs and Spectators on the field was just mind blowing,Whatever about subs running on to get involved with a brawl but fúcking Fans!!! Video evidence should be used to ban these "Fans" from the association..Then as we approach the final few minutes the Derrytresk "Fans" line the pitch for a pitch invasion..Ok they have just qualified for an All Ireland final..The PA announces not to enter the pitch..While about 25 stewards hide in the corner of the field??
The final whistle goes and i see 3 Dromid players attacked by "Fans"..Not good enough..When players batter each other it's one thing but spectators joining in is down right wrong

The_Kew_Tour · 22-01-2012 11:27pm

I think it's disgusting when certain players (normally intercounty) get singled out.

My mate said they played game up there before and they were locked into the dressing rooms afterwards and were there for 2 hours just getting abuse and it was Under 15 game. Wtf like?

I mean if you saw English soccer fans do that we call them all sorts.

No place for it in any Sport, on or off the field especially GAA, which im afraid is getting worse for things like this today.

ShamoBuc · 23-01-2012 12:09am

Sounds like alot of shít hitting the fan alright. In this day and age I can only presume that there is alot of video coverage of the unsavoury incidents.
It would do the game the world of good to see the club fúcked out of the competition and Dromid reinstated, this cannot go unpunihed. Fans, selectors, subs and players of a club have a responsibility to the club, they failed miserably today. and should be duly punished

teednab-el · 23-01-2012 1:50am

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Sounds like alot of shít hitting the fan alright. In this day and age I can only presume that there is alot of video coverage of the unsavoury incidents.
It would do the game the world of good to see the club fúcked out of the competition and Dromid reinstated, this cannot go unpunihed. Fans, selectors, subs and players of a club have a responsibility to the club, they failed miserably today. and should be duly punished

It happens everywhere to be fair not just in Tyrone. Kerry is no sacred place from this either, I've been to many club games there and the fighting amongst players and spectators is apalling.

lala88 · 23-01-2012 9:59am

Dromid call for fight to be investigated

Declan O'Sullivan was struck by a handbag during a mass fight at the Dromid v Derrytresk match

Monday, 23 January 2012 07:23
There have been calls for an investigation after a mass brawl marred the All-Ireland Junior Football Championship semi-final between Dromid Pearses of Kerry and Derrytresk of Tyrone on Sunday.
The brawl erupted just before half-time and saw officials and substitutes from both sides enter the field of play. Dromid midfielder Thomas Curran was concussed during the incident and unable to play the second half. It is also claimed that Kerry star Declan O'Sullivan was struck by a handbag.

Derrytresk were ahead by a point at half-time and went to claim a 1-10 to 0-7 victory in Portlaoise, a neutral venue.

Dromid selector and Kerry county board officer Diarmuid O Se complained about a lack of security for players and called on the GAA to investigate using video evidence.
He said: "While Derrytresk beat us comprehensively on the day, I thought that some of the scenes out there were some of the most disgraceful I have ever witnessed at a football game.
"I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. There was no security there today for our players.

"Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the Garda have it documented but I don't think Declan will be doing anything about it.
"The GAA have video evidence available and maybe it's time to use it."

devlin159 · 23-01-2012 11:34am

there seems to be an element within the gaa that think there hardmen just because they play a sport the fact is half these clowns proabably no nothing about gaa they use gaa as a way to try and act hard but and think there better than everyone but when people stand up to them they dont like it. These thugs need to be hunted out of the gaa and banned from playing gaa for life they think gaa is about fighting the fact is its good to be strong and all so you can push opponents off of you put these clowns have no respect for the gaa or the clubs they play against it goes against the whole ethos of the gaa disgraceful scenes and as someone say fans getting involved is a disgrace these people need banned and brought to justice growing men acting llke this a sad day for the gaa imo do the right thing these people must be brought to justice and the worse thing is these players/fans etc will proabably brag about in the bus on the way home they should be ashamed disgraceful behiovior no place for that in a sport thats meant to bring ireland and communties together.

devlin159 · 23-01-2012 11:36am

Sorry for any grammar and spelling mistakes there i rushed my post.

washman3 · 23-01-2012 11:50am

dartbhoy wrote: »

I listened to the 2nd half of the game and judging by the commentary of the Radio Kerry commentary team Derrytresk were doing nothing but belting and fighting all over the field yet the Tyrone team winning the game by 7 points and Dromid having 2 players sent off would suggest a different story?

Radio Kerry is probably the most biased commentary that anyone could listen to. if Dromid had won the game there would be little or no focus on the "handbag" issue. it would be laughed off.
watched Declan O'Sullivan in a club game a while back and he is no angel either.;)

JFlah · 23-01-2012 12:48pm

washman3 wrote: »

dartbhoy wrote: »

I listened to the 2nd half of the game and judging by the commentary of the Radio Kerry commentary team Derrytresk were doing nothing but belting and fighting all over the field yet the Tyrone team winning the game by 7 points and Dromid having 2 players sent off would suggest a different story?

Radio Kerry is probably the most biased commentary that anyone could listen to. if Dromid had won the game there would be little or no focus on the "handbag" issue. it would be laughed off.
watched Declan O'Sullivan in a club game a while back and he is no angel either.;)

I listen to radio Kerry frequently and yes they have green and gold tinted spectacles at times however from various reports what went on yesterday was appalling declan o s amongst others was simply targeted from start to finish and did well to hold his head imo .his previous behaviour angelic or not is not relevant , to be hit and assaulted after the game is outragous, something very rotten amongst tyrone fans at the moment.

thegreengoblin · 23-01-2012 1:46pm

It's time for the GAA to get tough with Tyrone. It has developed a reputation for brutal violence that far outweighs any other county. And even in the stand at Croker some of the stuff that goes on with Tyrone fans is sickening.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of slagging and banter but at the last Tyrone game I attended, I had to restrain myself from becoming involved with a group of Tyrone 'fans' who were off their heads on something harder than drink, oblivious to the fact that there were young kids around them. Tyrone has a real behaviour problem and the GAA need to act now to sort this problem out.

bruschi · 23-01-2012 2:40pm

not just Tyrone, but all these brawls with fans etc joining in should be punished to the limit. Corofin got punished and did nothing but whinge after it and appeal. That club in Antrim got their appeal heard and punishment reduced, so the referee they attacked since retired. Its ridiculous, the GAA need to make a stand, and send a memo to clubs that anysort of behavious like this will see the club thrown out and a hefty fine put in. would see how many palyers or fans would be so quick to jump in and start fights then.

lala88 · 23-01-2012 4:05pm

Iv seen people that are actually defending what happened!

Gophur · 23-01-2012 4:19pm

Tyrone and thuggery are linked far too often.

LeoB · 23-01-2012 4:52pm

Let me start by saying I was not at the game.

Tyrone have developed this reputation over the last few years, despite producing some of the finest players ever to play Gaelic Football, but the G.A.A. can no longer stand by and pay lip service to people who are doing their best to provide Gaelic Games to the young people in the face of stiff competition from other sports. This is putting people off big time.

The G.A.A. is based on some great rivaleries, Dublin v Meath Cork v Kerry Galway v Mayo not to mention some great club rivaleries and these are often tough encounters but never do they decend into the the thuggery that happened yesterday. Look back on Dublin up in Omagh and the Kerry game last year. Thats not tough its plain dirt and intimidation.

Its shameful to to hear news like this on radio today. This is happening all to often and it has to be stopped. From what I have listend to these thugs should be thrown out of the competition. End of story.

Its worth noting there are some great people involved in G.A.A. activities in Tyrone who want nothing to do with this type of behaviour and we should be careful not to tar them all with the same brush, but get the thugs out.

Stinicker · 23-01-2012 5:22pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

It's time for the GAA to get tough with Tyrone. It has developed a reputation for brutal violence that far outweighs any other county. And even in the stand at Croker some of the stuff that goes on with Tyrone fans is sickening.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of slagging and banter but at the last Tyrone game I attended, I had to restrain myself from becoming involved with a group of Tyrone 'fans' who were off their heads on something harder than drink, oblivious to the fact that there were young kids around them. Tyrone has a real behaviour problem and the GAA need to act now to sort this problem out.

I'm from Kerry and I absolutely agree with this. The Tyrone team and the lowlife types they attract as supporters have been involved in far too many incidents over the previous few years.

I have been at almost every match between our two sides over the past decade and there are always incidents. There supporters are drunken hooligans of the lowest type. People here like to complain about Dublin supporters and schmozzles between Cork and Kerry lads but nothing compares to the sheer violence and absolute hatred from Tyrone. I would not take a child to any match involving Tyrone as they are no different to soccer hooligans.

It is a county wide issue up there and rather than tackling violence the GAA up there actively promote it to intimidate the other team out of their way. I hope the GAA bans Derrytresk from the competition and gives the Galway team a walkover and award them the championship.

Will there be anything done about? Like hell there will but I can guarantee if it was a Cork, Dublin or Kerry club involved in such violence then the CCCC would be down them like a tonne of bricks.

SeaFields · 23-01-2012 5:25pm

The game was recorded so that's the only conclusive way to answer exactly what happened.

thegreengoblin · 23-01-2012 6:25pm

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm from Kerry and I absolutely agree with this. The Tyrone team and the lowlife types they attract as supporters have been involved in far too many incidents over the previous few years.

I have been at almost every match between our two sides over the past decade and there are always incidents. There supporters are drunken hooligans of the lowest type. People here like to complain about Dublin supporters and schmozzles between Cork and Kerry lads but nothing compares to the sheer violence and absolute hatred from Tyrone. I would not take a child to any match involving Tyrone as they are no different to soccer hooligans.

It is a county wide issue up there and rather than tackling violence the GAA up there actively promote it to intimidate the other team out of their way. I hope the GAA bans Derrytresk from the competition and gives the Galway team a walkover and award them the championship.

Will there be anything done about? Like hell there will but I can guarantee if it was a Cork, Dublin or Kerry club involved in such violence then the CCCC would be down them like a tonne of bricks.

Glad it's not just me who noticed. I had meant to say that this year will be the first time I'll be bringing my five-year-old son to see the Dubs and it sure as hell won't be against Tyrone.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-01-2012 6:41pm

Have always had major time for Northern teams and still do players and most mangers come across as sound out.

But when I was at the Cork v Tyrone game in 2009 one thing that struck me about Tyrone supporters behind and in front of me if you were blind man you would swear you were at boxing match.

They just kept shouting "hit him" "smack him" "show him who boss" that type of thing rather then telling there playing to make pass or encourage to play football. In a way it was bit scary I have to admit and I have been to so called tough English Football grounds, but this was more frightening cause no protection from them.

Now I will admit I met few after the game and we had great criac with them so don't want to tarnish them all under same brush, I know few Cork fans are no saints, but that day really struck me about how they were willing to win a game at all costs.

elguapo · 23-01-2012 7:16pm

The number of people posting about their experiences with certain Tyrone supporters is remarkable. There has been one time in my life when I felt genuinely threatened at a football match, and it was the 2003 semi-final against Tyrone.

I was on Hill 16, with two female friends, and a gang of about 6 Tyrone lads arrived down in front of us. They were all drunk, some more than others, and one of them clearly had something other than alcohol in his system.

My vivid memory of the game is Tyrone scoring a point in the first half, and this guy turning around and bellowing in our faces from about 6 inches away. I told him where to go, and was duly abused by him and his friends, who physically threatened me. I alerted a steward, who did sweet f**k all, and we moved to a different part of the hill. There was another crowd of Tyrone supporters near us who very vocal about about how "f**king ****e" Kerry were, and how the Kerry fans could all f**k off home.

It was the ugliest atmosphere I've experienced, and I've been going to championship matches regularly since 1986. At the 2008 semi-final double header in 2008, there were 5 Tyrone lads behind me in the Cusack Stand, and 2 of them they were so drunk they had to be carried out of the stadium before the Tyrone match even started.

There are plenty of good natured Tyrone supporters I've had the pleasure of meeting, but i've encountered a number of nasty individuals, far more than any other county, and it's seriously unpleasant to experience in person.

I won't comment on the specifics of yesterday's game because I wasn't there, but I'm less than surprised that a Tyrone club is involved.

theoneeyedman · 23-01-2012 7:37pm

dartbhoy wrote: »

I listened to the 2nd half of the game and judging by the commentary of the Radio Kerry commentary team Derrytresk were doing nothing but belting and fighting all over the field yet the Tyrone team winning the game by 7 points and Dromid having 2 players sent off would suggest a different story?

this is not a eliable source to be basing anything on tbh-"local radio commentary team complain" shock!!

Prop Joe wrote: »

Was at the game today..Teams were evenly matched throughout prob overall the better team won but the extra man really killed Dromid..Hard game prob what you would expect for a tense close AI semi-final..But...In the first half the invasion of Subs and Spectators on the field was just mind blowing,Whatever about subs running on to get involved with a brawl but fúcking Fans!!! Video evidence should be used to ban these "Fans" from the association..Then as we approach the final few minutes the Derrytresk "Fans" line the pitch for a pitch invasion..Ok they have just qualified for an All Ireland final..The PA announces not to enter the pitch..While about 25 stewards hide in the corner of the field??
The final whistle goes and i see 3 Dromid players attacked by "Fans"..Not good enough..When players batter each other it's one thing but spectators joining in is down right wrong

this makes a nonense of all the Corofin bitching last year and mr cooney's assertion that club championship games being in county grounds

JFlah wrote: »

I listen to radio Kerry frequently and yes they have green and gold tinted spectacles at times however from various reports what went on yesterday was appalling declan o s amongst others was simply targeted from start to finish and did well to hold his head imo .his previous behaviour angelic or not is not relevant , to be hit and assaulted after the game is outragous, something very rotten amongst tyrone fans at the moment.

i've no problem with declan O, one of the best players i've seen playing in my lifetime, but kerry teams are well able in general to target players whn it suits them.

there is a bigger picture here IMO and it relates to who s responsible for 'supporters' behaviour. I don't know what the answer is but too often clubs and co bds hide behind excuses ane technicalities to condone bad behaviour from crowds at games

dartbhoy · 23-01-2012 8:56pm

Well after reading Prop Joe's post and the report on the game in today's examiner It's fair to say some of the Derrytresk supporters were way out of order yesterday.

In the examiner report the Dromid management team were gracious enough to admit that Derrytresk were the better team but their biggest complaint was the fact that some of their players were attacked by the Tyrone team's supporters and this is something that's totally out of order and should have never happened. There has been too many incidents of this nature happening far too frequently the past few years and here the GAA authorities must take the rap for not clamping down on it.

The bottom line here is that the GAA need to have a full investigation into yesterday's carry on and need to identify the incidents and troublemakers. They need to investigate where were the stewards when supporters entered the field. Calls for Derrytresk to be thrown out of the All Ireland are OTT IMO. Yes they have fans that caused trouble yesterday but I'm sure the majority of their support behaved themselves and the club shouldn't be thrown out because a few "heroes" took it upon themselves to give the Kerry boys a good hiding in their eyes!

I hope yesterday would set a precedent for the GAA to make sure this type of carry on doesn't happen again and set new rules and regulations in place but sadly I feel we'll be discussing something of this nature again in the not too distant future!

ormond lad · 23-01-2012 9:04pm

dartbhoy wrote: »

Well after reading Prop Joe's post and the report on the game in today's examiner It's fair to say some of the Derrytresk supporters were way out of order yesterday.

In the examiner report the Dromid management team were gracious enough to admit that Derrytresk were the better team but their biggest complaint was the fact that some of their players were attacked by the Tyrone team's supporters and this is something that's totally out of order and should have never happened. There has been too many incidents of this nature happening far too frequently the past few years and here the GAA authorities must take the rap for not clamping down on it.

The bottom line here is that the GAA need to have a full investigation into yesterday's carry on and need to identify the incidents and troublemakers. They need to investigate where were the stewards when supporters entered the field. Calls for Derrytresk to be thrown out of the All Ireland are OTT IMO. Yes they have fans that caused trouble yesterday but I'm sure the majority of their support behaved themselves and the club shouldn't be punished because a few "heroes" took it upon themselves to give the Kerry boys a good hiding in their eyes!

I hope yesterday would set a precedent for the GAA to make sure this type of carry on doesn't happen again and set new rules and regulations in place but sadly I feel we'll be discussing something of this nature again in the not too distant future!

A full investigation is needed and you cant say that the club shouldnt be punished for the actions of a small few. If they were thrown out of the comp maybe it might mean the actions of those idiots who acted yesterday and who call themselves sportsfans may never happen again.

The majority of fans at the game did behave themselves but if throwing the club out of the all ireland lessens the chances of something like what happened yesterday happening again then that should be the decision. It isnt fair to those players and supporters who behaved themselves. But a punishment is needed

kincsem · 23-01-2012 9:11pm

Tyrone.

dartbhoy · 23-01-2012 9:16pm

ormond lad wrote: »

A full investigation is needed and you cant say that the club shouldnt be punished for the actions of a small few. If they were thrown out of the comp maybe it might mean the actions of those idiots who acted yesterday and who call themselves sportsfans may never happen again.

The majority of fans at the game did behave themselves but if throwing the club out of the all ireland lessens the chances of something like what happened yesterday happening again then that should be the decision. It isnt fair to those players and supporters who behaved themselves. But a punishment is needed

I agree punishment is needed but personally I don't think throwing out Derrytresk is the answer. The club needs to be heavily fined,their supporters who caused the trouble Identified and banned and the club put on probation as regards their future behaviour.

23-01-2012 9:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg

No one think of checking Youtube?.....

Why these games aren't policed properly is baffling.

The Guards should have been there to arrest anyone who wasn't officially togged for the game who jumped the boardings, they appear to be club members but they don't look like subs to me, more spectators IMO.

dartbhoy · 23-01-2012 9:27pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg

No one think of checking Youtube?.....

Why these games aren't policed properly is baffling.

The Guards should have been there to arrest anyone who wasn't officially togged for the game who jumped the boardings, they appear to be club members but they don't look like subs to me, more spectators IMO.

Thanks for that link gilberto eire. Both sets of players involved and it seems a Dromid player threw the first punch but that's no excuse for a few hot heads in the crowd to jump in.

23-01-2012 9:35pm

After watching it a few times it seems No.6 for the Maroon team who ends up on the ground is hit by the lad in the tracksuit with the hood up, he does a striking action in that direction just before the player falls(at first I thought it was the lad who ends up on top of him on the ground)

LeoB · 23-01-2012 10:16pm

dartbhoy wrote: »

Well after reading Prop Joe's post and the report on the game in today's examiner It's fair to say some of the Derrytresk supporters were way out of order yesterday.

The bottom line here is that the GAA need to have a full investigation into yesterday's carry on and need to identify the incidents and troublemakers. They need to investigate where were the stewards when supporters entered the field. Calls for Derrytresk to be thrown out of the All Ireland are OTT IMO. Yes they have fans that caused trouble yesterday but I'm sure the majority of their support behaved themselves and the club shouldn't be thrown out because a few "heroes" took it upon themselves to give the Kerry boys a good hiding in their eyes!

I hope yesterday would set a precedent for the GAA to make sure this type of carry on doesn't happen again and set new rules and regulations in place but sadly I feel we'll be discussing something of this nature again in the not too distant future!

Ther will be a full investigation and thats about it. Action is need to stop this. Its not good enough to investigate and give a report that wont be acted on.

dartbhoy wrote: »

I agree punishment is needed but personally I don't think throwing out Derrytresk is the answer. The club needs to be heavily fined,their supporters who caused the trouble Identified and banned and the club put on probation as regards their future behaviour.

Throwing them out is the only answer. This will happen again if they dont throw them out and the same should go for any grade. They (Derrytresk) came across the fense like it was a street fight. They have to be thought a lesson but I would safely say no administrator in the G.A.A. has the balls to come out and say so.
A heafty fine is no use. Some sponsor will put his hand in pocket and pay the fine, money will not a problem

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm from Kerry and I absolutely agree with this. The Tyrone team and the lowlife types they attract as supporters have been involved in far too many incidents over the previous few years.

I have been at almost every match between our two sides over the past decade and there are always incidents. There supporters are drunken hooligans of the lowest type. People here like to complain about Dublin supporters and schmozzles between Cork and Kerry lads but nothing compares to the sheer violence and absolute hatred from Tyrone. I would not take a child to any match involving Tyrone as they are no different to soccer hooligans.

Stinicker wrote: »

It is a county wide issue up there and rather than tackling violence the GAA up there actively promote it to intimidate the other team out of their way. I hope the GAA bans Derrytresk from the competition and gives the Galway team a walkover and award them the championship. .

Sure just look at what happened to Brian McGuigan, the treatment of Peter Canavan in club games.......It speaks for itself.

Stinicker wrote: »

Will there be anything done about? Like hell there will but I can guarantee if it was a Cork, Dublin or Kerry club involved in such violence then the CCCC would be down them like a tonne of bricks.

As I stated above there is not the balls to do anything about it.. The G.A.A i agree would come down hard on the counties you mentioned if it were to happen. But here lies a big difference there is a thing called respect between teams, Dublin Kerry -Dublin Meath Cork Kerry, Kilkenny Tipp Cork Tipp tough hard games heavy hits but seldom if ever nasty, Its a manly respect for the physical nature of the game which sadly appears to be lacking in Tyrone club football by times.

Prop Joe · 23-01-2012 10:37pm

I am waiting on the video evidence from the final whistle...Just as bad

JFlah · 23-01-2012 11:39pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

this is not a eliable source to be basing anything on tbh-"local radio commentary team complain" shock!!

this makes a nonense of all the Corofin bitching last year and mr cooney's assertion that club championship games being in county grounds

i've no problem with declan O, one of the best players i've seen playing in my lifetime, but kerry teams are well able in general to target players whn it suits them.

there is a bigger picture here IMO and it relates to who s responsible for 'supporters' behaviour. I don't know what the answer is but too often clubs and co bds hide behind excuses ane technicalities to condone bad behaviour from crowds at games

The major problem appears to be with TYRONE its clubs and particularly its supporters. I agree with you other counties target players and clubs too but never ever to the extent it seems to be brought to in Tyrone where it is not just " targetting" to some degree but absolute intimidation malevolence hatred and eventually violence. I,ve seen many the brawl locally and at county level down the years but in all honesty can recall very few genuinely " dirty" events and most brawls i have witnessed between the bitterest of rivals usually end in a hand shake of some degree. The frightening thing about the footage from Sunday for me is the speed people ran onto the pitch and the number that ran on , seriously scary .

JFlah · 23-01-2012 11:43pm

teednab-el wrote: »

It happens everywhere to be fair not just in Tyrone. Kerry is no sacred place from this either, I've been to many club games there and the fighting amongst players and spectators is apalling.

Could you please give me a few examples of fighting between supporters in Kerry? and i don,t mean a jostling match " fighting" . I,m a supporter of a club that has the absolute bitterest rivalry I know with another local club but in all my years i,ve not seen the supporters fighting . I,m just curious to know of these incidents

Zzippy · 23-01-2012 11:58pm

I heard a snippet about this on the radio earlier, and before they even mentioned where the clubs were from I guessed Tyrone.

I played a bit of hurling when I lived in Donegal and at the time a certain Tyrone border team played in the Donegal league. First time I played them I ended up in hospital missing the tip of a finger after a dirty and very late pull. When I came off the pitch I was offered a drink of cider by one of their subs!

Second time the guy I was marking was sent off. Later on one of our players got involved with two of theirs and was knocked to the ground, and struck in the head and back with hurls repeatedly. When I ran in to try protect him, I was grabbed and held down while another guy (the guy who was sent off earlier) ran in and kicked me in the head. Our guy who was on the ground received significant injuries and never played again out of disgust at what went on. His brother too, both talented players.

Third time we had a proper ref, and two of their players were sent off for violent conduct. God knows what would have happened if we had had a weak ref.

After that this club was not invited back into the league the following year. At least the Donegal County Board had the sense to get rid of them.

In my experience there is a thuggish element in Tyrone GAA, and it won't be stamped out until clubs receive lengthy bans for this kind of incident.

Stinicker · 24-01-2012 12:14am

JFlah wrote: »

Could you please give me a few examples of fighting between supporters in Kerry? and i don,t mean a jostling match " fighting" . I,m a supporter of a club that has the absolute bitterest rivalry I know with another local club but in all my years i,ve not seen the supporters fighting . I,m just curious to know of these incidents

My local club has a bitter rivalry with our neighbours also and when the game is on there will be a few curses and so on thrown but never once have supporters fought and all I witnessed once were the two middle aged fathers running onto the field to stop their two sons fighting.

Similiarly with intercounty matches with Kerry we'd let out an aul F it or so on now and then in the heat of the moment but you'd be chatting away with the opposing team most of the time, at the end of it you end up down the pub with Mayo, Cork, Dublin lads etc. afterwards and you'd be the best of friends after it all. However with Tyrone look at one of them sideways and they'd be ready to wallop ya, a county with a disgusting team ethic and a much higher percentage than normal of supporters who are not fit as members of society never mind to go to a football game.

The very lowest I witnessed was a few Tyrone young fellas spitting on Kerry supporters after the 2005 Final, I saw one old man probably in his seventies walking out getting spat and called all manners of abusive language, despite they having won the game! I swear if it had been my own father they done it to I would have probably lost it. No one wants this and GAA people go to these games to enjoy the game, mingle with supporters and have a good day out.

It is great to be able to sit next some one from another county and watch the game and have the banter, lowlifes like these in Tyrone are reducing our game to the stage where will we need segregated seating like in Soccer? Bohemians and Shelbourne soccer games take more Garda resources than the AI Final, will this be the future of the GAA? Unless action is taken now it looks like it might?

Derrytresk should be removed from the competition and I am not targeting Derrytresk because they are a Tyrone team or anything and if it was Dromid was to blame yesterday and the roles reversed then I'd apply the exact same harsh punishment to them.

The GAA needs to set up a special task force in Tyrone to tackle this type of behaviour, there needs to be punishments like docking points in the league and disqualifying them from competitions as should happen to Derrytresk now. This needs to be applied consistently to all grades and codes and the current system of where you could be send off for your club yet be allowed play for the county is another farce.

elefant · 24-01-2012 12:15am

Every person not involved with the teams who assaulted any player should be up in court over this. The fact it was at a football match should not grant them any extra protection. When one a person can assault another without any consequences outside of sporting sanctions there is something seriously wrong

Skirmishes between players are expected and an accepted risk for every player that walks onto the field, but assaults from spectators should be criminally prosecuted.

ShamoBuc · 24-01-2012 12:16am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Have always had major time for Northern teams and still do players and most mangers come across as sound out.

But when I was at the Cork v Tyrone game in 2009 one thing that struck me about Tyrone supporters behind and in front of me if you were blind man you would swear you were at boxing match.

They just kept shouting "hit him" "smack him" "show him who boss" that type of thing rather then telling there playing to make pass or encourage to play football. In a way it was bit scary I have to admit and I have been to so called tough English Football grounds, but this was more frightening cause no protection from them.

Now I will admit I met few after the game and we had great criac with them so don't want to tarnish them all under same brush, I know few Cork fans are no saints, but that day really struck me about how they were willing to win a game at all costs.

Myself and my brother were at the same game and were fairly surrounded by tyrone supporters in the Lower Cusack and it was a real eye opener. I saw two Tyrone families move to another area such was the ferocity of shít coming from the vast majority of the crowd - fúckin unbelievable. I've been in The Kop on european nights and am used to passionate atmospheres in alot of sporting codes but I must admit they were a level above what I've experienced.
Being a very vocal supporter myself, I actually found myself trying to curtail my outbursts - that was a new experience for me!
Not painting all Tyrone fans with the same brush obviously but my first experience of Tyrone fans ( a section of admittedly ) was not a complimentary one in the extreme.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-01-2012 12:25am

Stinicker wrote: »

The GAA needs to set up a special task force in Tyrone to tackle this type of behaviour, there needs to be punishments like docking points in the league and disqualifying them from competitions as should happen to Derrytresk now. This needs to be applied consistently to all grades and codes and the current system of where you could be send off for your club yet be allowed play for the county is another farce.

I would go step further and ban them from getting tickets for county games, but more important I would ban them from the GAA full stop.

The previous poster talked about player getting kicked to the head!! I mean seriously, if we saw this in out local town after a night out we be calling them all types and these guys seem get away with it in particular if no video evidence is on display.

I hope whoever was involved gets banned for good, but at the worst gets long ban.

mcgarrett · 24-01-2012 12:29am

elefant wrote: »

Every person not involved with the teams who assaulted any player should be up in court over this. The fact it was at a football match should not grant them any extra protection. When one a person can assault another without any consequences outside of sporting sanctions there is something seriously wrong

Skirmishes between players are expected and an accepted risk for every player that walks onto the field, but assaults from spectators should be criminally prosecuted.

The problem with that elefant is a complainant and witnesses are required. What are the chances of that?

The_Kew_Tour · 24-01-2012 12:33am

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Myself and my brother were at the same game and were fairly surrounded by tyrone supporters in the Lower Cusack and it was a real eye opener. I saw two Tyrone families move to another area such was the ferocity of shít coming from the vast majority of the crowd - fúckin unbelievable. I've been in The Kop on european nights and am used to passionate atmospheres in alot of sporting codes but I must admit they were a level above what I've experienced.
Being a very vocal supporter myself, I actually found myself trying to curtail my outbursts - that was a new experience for me!
Not painting all Tyrone fans with the same brush obviously but my first experience of Tyrone fans ( a section of admittedly ) was not a complimentary one in the extreme.

I was exact same did not open my mouth the whole game and I be a fella who likes to be some bit vocal at a match.

I don't have problem with cursing and people showing passion and getting behind their team, that's what going to game should be about, it's the nastiest that I don't like from Tyrone fans that day which struck me.

My brother was 12 at time and he was with his friend and they honestly taught somebody was going to swing for us just cause we were from Cork. I found that sad and disappointing, but Cork winning that day maybe just brushed aside I suppose.

Again I have to stress though that Cork and all counties have there share, but this was a level above even all that I felt.

elefant · 24-01-2012 12:38am

mcgarrett wrote: »

The problem with that elefant is a complainant and witnesses are required. What are the chances of that?

I don't think a complaint is necessary for a public prosecution (maybe I'm wrong, been a while since I studied Criminal Law!), and they've been seen on camera. However light their sentences would be it would at least send a message that complete opportunistic thuggery won't be accepted at sporting events. In fact, I think that even if any sort of legal action is impractical in this case, some kind of indication that similar action is beyond the scope of the game and will be treated as such in the future would be a positive step.

If someone was caught on camera thumping someone on the street they'd be prosecuted- it seems people feel it's fair game just because the fighting is on a grass rectangle.

Gael85 · 24-01-2012 12:49am

here a link from Derrytresk Website

http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/12317

Derrytresk Statement

The Derrytresk club are delighted to have made it through to this year’s All Ireland Junior Football Championship club final. Our players thoroughly deserve to be there after all of the hard work that they put in over the last twelve months. It is disturbing to be on the receiving end of a number of quite serious allegations which have been aimed directly at our club since yesterday afternoon. We are disappointed that such allegations have been aired by GAA people through various media outlets over the last 24 hours. We believe that the referee and his officials were best placed to deal with all aspects of Sunday’s game. We remain confident that the GAA itself is best placed to provide the correct channels to deal with all matters which may or may not arise from this game. We therefore we will be making no further comment on the matter and will continue to prepare for the biggest day in our club history.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-01-2012 12:54am

Gael85 wrote: »

here a link from Derrytresk Website

http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/12317

Derrytresk Statement

The Derrytresk club are delighted to have made it through to this year’s All Ireland Junior Football Championship club final. Our players thoroughly deserve to be there after all of the hard work that they put in over the last twelve months. It is disturbing to be on the receiving end of a number of quite serious allegations which have been aimed directly at our club since yesterday afternoon. We are disappointed that such allegations have been aired by GAA people through various media outlets over the last 24 hours. We believe that the referee and his officials were best placed to deal with all aspects of Sunday’s game. We remain confident that the GAA itself is best placed to provide the correct channels to deal with all matters which may or may not arise from this game. We therefore we will be making no further comment on the matter and will continue to prepare for the biggest day in our club history.

Not as disturbing as seeing fans wanting to come onto the pitch and fight.

Aidric · 24-01-2012 12:58am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg

Is that it? Jesus, talk about hyperbole, Darren Frehill on morning ireland this morning going on like it was the worst thing ever seen on a GAA pitch.

All I see on that video is handbags and shapes being thrown.

Deco99 · 24-01-2012 1:05am

LeoB wrote: »

Ther will be a full investigation and thats about it. Action is need to stop this. Its not good enough to investigate and give a report that wont be acted on.

Throwing them out is the only answer. This will happen again if they dont throw them out and the same should go for any grade. They (Derrytresk) came across the fense like it was a street fight. They have to be thought a lesson but I would safely say no administrator in the G.A.A. has the balls to come out and say so.
A heafty fine is no use. Some sponsor will put his hand in pocket and pay the fine, money will not a problem

As I stated above there is not the balls to do anything about it.. The G.A.A i agree would come down hard on the counties you mentioned if it were to happen. .

Watched the video a number of times. Here's what the GAA can do:

Players on pitch involved in the fracas that are clearly shown striking -

Penalty:

(i) M inimum: 4 weeks Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, inclusive of the next Game in the same Competition of that
Competition Year, even if that Game falls outside the Suspension time period;

anyone identified of
(vi) Contributing to a melee
same punishment.

(c) M isconduct at Games by Team Officials, which consists
of four Categories of Infractions by Team Officials
which occur on or in the vicinity of the Field of Play,

and which occur immediately before, during or after a

Penalty:
(i) M inimum: 4 weeks Suspension;
(ii) M inimum on Repeat Infraction: 8 weeks
Suspension.
Category IIa
Any type of physical interference with an Opposing
Player or Team Official.
Penalty:

(i) M inimum: 8 weeks Suspension;

There'll be so many Derrytresk players suspended that the humiliation of fielding their under twelve girls team in the final will be reminder enough of the consequences of their actions.

washman3 · 24-01-2012 2:38am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

After watching it a few times it seems No.6 for the Maroon team who ends up on the ground is hit by the lad in the tracksuit with the hood up, he does a striking action in that direction just before the player falls(at first I thought it was the lad who ends up on top of him on the ground)

was the No.9 in maroon(dromid) that ended up on the ground struck by the guy in the hood. No.6 played no part in the fracas,actually tried his best to stop it. heard so much talk on Joe Duffy about the kick in the face No.9 got,thats rubbish,he got a serious sneaky punch but the kick was a trailing leg,might even be one of his own players, but he did run some distance to become involved. No.4 and No.5 maroon have big case to answer as does the sneak in the blue hood.

citycentre · 24-01-2012 3:09am

Aidric wrote: »

Is that it? Jesus, talk about hyperbole, Darren Frehill on morning ireland this morning going on like it was the worst thing ever seen on a GAA pitch.

All I see on that video is handbags and shapes being thrown.

Exactly, The sheer hysteria over all this is just ridiculous. Unfortunately seeing this it smacks of the Kerry team just being plain bad losers...

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