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Valve developing steam box console

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    #122
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,094 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    EnterNow wrote: »
    why quibble over the OS?

    You must be new to this 'Internet' thing ;)


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    #123
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm curious as to the pricing of this, considering that you can build a relatively powerful gaming PC for 400-600 euro then this console will have to retail for considerably less than that in order to tempt most people.


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    #124
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    You must be new to this 'Internet' thing ;)

    Ugh, is that how it works? I'll go back to teletext, at least sometimes that had a point :D


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    #125
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Why does it matter what the hell OS its gonna use? :confused: Its gonna be consolised, work out of the box with steam & just do its thing...why quibble over the OS?
    The OS debate is interesting as it will play a large part in gauging how useful the device is for people. For instance, I personally wouldn't want another closed environment, stripped down PC-like device on which I can only buy games from one source, under my TV. I already have three of those.

    On the other hand, give me something like that Alienware machine running Windows and which ships with an innovative controller, all for a non-extortionate price and I'd be all over it.
    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    by the way, who said if valve not just making some sort of new console, which has nothing to do with Pc part of steeam? maybe it is pure new player in console market and wont have steam libary in it at all.
    As big as Valve are, they don't have the clout, financial or otherwise, to make a proper console.


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    #126
    ShadowHearth
    Registered Users Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    gizmo wrote: »
    The OS debate is interesting as it will play a large part in gauging how useful the device is for people. For instance, I personally wouldn't want another closed environment, stripped down PC-like device on which I can only buy games from one source, under my TV. I already have three of those.

    On the other hand, give me something like that Alienware machine running Windows and which ships with an innovative controller, all for a non-extortionate price and I'd be all over it.


    As big as Valve are, they don't have the clout, financial or otherwise, to make a proper console.

    why not? there was a kick starter for a console. surely valve has a lot more recources then that kickstarter wanted. yes it is smaller in scale console, but it can be done.


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    #127
    Falthyron
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    why not? there was a kick starter for a console. surely valve has a lot more recources then that kickstarter wanted. yes it is smaller in scale console, but it can be done.

    Alternatively, Valve could announce the release of a new game that would (most likely) go on to set new sales records as a way of financing this particular venture.

    Furthermore, Half-life 2 was released exclusive to Steam (as in; you had to install Steam to play it) so Valve are used to making people buy into a system to play their games. Announce the 'Steambox', show off the new Source Engine running on it, tell people the price of the 'Steambox' and now you have the audience and reason to buy one.


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    #128
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    why not? there was a kick starter for a console. surely valve has a lot more recources then that kickstarter wanted. yes it is smaller in scale console, but it can be done.
    Well for starters I don't consider Ouya to be a "proper console".

    Likewise, I wouldn't consider a HTPC containing off the shelf PC components and running a lightweight Linux distro with a Steam-orientated front end to be a "proper console" either.


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    #129
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't see how this would appeal to PC gamers. If they're trying to steal away xbox and PS gamers I think they're running out of time, once the majority of people have chosen their platform I don't see them spending more again for a while.

    If I want a console experience with multi player I just plug in the other xbox controller.

    I don't know.
    Being able to buy a console with Steam sales, cloud based accounts and being able to play with the glorious pc gaming master race?

    Not losing your games, when you get a new console, and being able to play your games on the console or the PC (when you do evolve to the master race)

    They are some good selling points

    Just for the heck of it also
    PC_Gaming_Master_Race_by_Claidheam_Righ.jpg


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    #130
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Obviously a lot of joking around in my post above but the basic points are valid.
    Budget PC gaming with the benefits of the PC style of game transfers and individual game cost


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    #131
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    gizmo wrote: »
    The OS debate is interesting as it will play a large part in gauging how useful the device is for people. For instance, I personally wouldn't want another closed environment, stripped down PC-like device on which I can only buy games from one source, under my TV. I already have three of those.

    On the other hand, give me something like that Alienware machine running Windows and which ships with an innovative controller, all for a non-extortionate price and I'd be all over it

    Didn't Newell already state that whatever form it takes, it will run in a 'highly controlled environment', suggesting it will do what Valve want it to do & nothing else?

    Even though you already have a stripped down pc like device under your tv, that doesn't mean another competitor can't offer you something different, while operating in the same grounds as the others do.


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    #132
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    I don't know.
    Being able to buy a console with Steam sales, cloud based accounts and being able to play with the glorious pc gaming master race?
    While the majority of that "master race" is sitting at a desk using a keyboard and mouse? I fear you've not thought this through. :)

    As an aside, with the introduction of the 10-foot UI / Big Picture mode, there's something deliciously ironic about continuing to use Yahtzee's master race joke. :pac:

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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Didn't Newell already state that whatever form it takes, it will run in a 'highly controlled environment', suggesting it will do what Valve want it to do & nothing else?

    Even though you already have a stripped down pc like device under your tv, that doesn't mean another competitor can't offer you something different, while operating in the same grounds as the others do.
    He did indeed, I was actually going to use that quote earlier since it seems to have been dropped from other reports on the story. However he was referring to hardware when he made the comment, not software...
    "Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC. For people who want a more turnkey solution, that's what some people are really gonna want for their living room."

    Now, whether he was referring specifically to the hardware or the device in general, remains to be seen.

    As for wanting another competitor, well I was referring to personal preferences above and in that context I'm relatively sure I still wouldn't want such a device as I already have a PC for my PC games with a setup to match it.


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    #133
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    gizmo wrote: »
    While the majority of that "master race" is sitting at a desk using a keyboard and mouse? I fear you've not thought this through. :)

    As an aside, with the introduction of the 10-foot UI / Big Picture mode, there's something deliciously ironic about continuing to use Yahtzee's master race joke. :pac:


    He did indeed, I was actually going to use that quote earlier since it seems to have been dropped from other reports on the story. However he was referring to hardware when he made the comment, not software...



    Now, whether he was referring specifically to the hardware or the device in general, remains to be seen.

    As for wanting another competitor, well I was referring to personal preferences above and in that context I'm relatively sure I still wouldn't want such a device as I already have a PC for my PC games with a setup to match it.


    I would seriously hope that anything that they bring out will be keyboard/mouse compatible.

    I use my PC like a console; connected up to a 60" TV with a wireless keyboard/mouse or XBox 360 controller


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    #134
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    I would seriously hope that anything that they bring out will be keyboard/mouse compatible.

    I use my PC like a console; connected up to a 60" TV with a wireless keyboard/mouse or XBox 360 controller
    Hmm, out of curiosity, I assume given the size of the TV that you use it from the couch? I take it you don't game with that wireless keyboard and mouse?

    This is all reminds me of a rather interesting discussion we had sometime last year about how the PC and console markets were slowly converging. While I think it'll be great to see (to a certain extent) it does leave many questions unanswered, not least from a controller perspective.


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    #135
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    i've gamed on a couch with a mouse/kb.. it's alright
    for your more fast paced fps or an rts it'a s massive pain in the tits but for everything else it's grand


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    #136
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,094 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    gizmo wrote: »
    As an aside, with the introduction of the 10-foot UI / Big Picture mode, there's something deliciously ironic about continuing to use Yahtzee's master race joke. :pac:

    There are so many layers of impenetrable irony going on whenever that pic is quoted that it's gotten to the point it should just be banned outright :(

    While I'm not going to pretend for a second that I'm knowledgeable to speculate on what OS said 'Steam box' will use, I definitely will not be surprised when Valve eventually make a very significant Linux push. Going forward, it also seems apparent that Steam will grow increasingly multi-format friendly... I'd be amazed if Source 2 doesn't support the big trio of Windows, OSX and Linux.


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    #137
    Dyr
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Why does it matter what the hell OS its gonna use? :confused: Its gonna be consolised, work out of the box with steam & just do its thing...why quibble over the OS?

    Because unless its running some fancy emulation or virtual machine it won't play our enormous collection of games of steam games on a linux box :(


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    #138
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    what sort of monopoly are you talking about? The only monopoly they got is to sell you a copy of windows, which some people dont upgrade for years.

    They still are the only people supplying an operating system to the vast majority of 'PC gamers' on the planet.
    That's not chump change and it's not a market anyone wants to "kill".
    I mean outside the martyrdom theatrics of particularly deluded PC gaming aficionados.
    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    educated speculation my ass... no offence.

    Whatever makes you feel better.

    Though whomever told you that sticking "no offence" on the end of sentences negated you being a total tool beforehand really should have their right to teach English revoked.


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    #139
    dregin
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    No offence.


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    #140
    Retr0gamer
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    hooradiation warned, please lay off the insults.
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    #141
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    gizmo wrote: »
    Hmm, out of curiosity, I assume given the size of the TV that you use it from the couch? I take it you don't game with that wireless keyboard and mouse?

    This is all reminds me of a rather interesting discussion we had sometime last year about how the PC and console markets were slowly converging. While I think it'll be great to see (to a certain extent) it does leave many questions unanswered, not least from a controller perspective.

    If I find that the KB and Mouse is causing a lag I have an extra long cabelled KB. The wireless is working just fine on Witcher and was the same for ME3.
    I also do not play online much and never play FPS so a small lag is not going to bother me too much TBH.

    I play my sports and driving games with the controllers


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    #142
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    hooradiation warned, please lay off the insults.

    What insults?

    You'll know when I start insulting people, it's not hard to miss.


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    #143
    ShadowHearth
    Registered Users Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    I love grammar nazi's. :D whatever makes you feel like a man.

    That English teacher was me. I learned English on my own with the help of random DVDs with subtitles and video games. It's not great English, but it works for me, and I am very happy the majority of boards.ie know that I am "****" at English, and let it slide for me.


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    #144
    Myrddin
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Because unless its running some fancy emulation or virtual machine it won't play our enormous collection of games of steam games on a linux box :(

    I highly doubt they're gonna release a box that isn't highly compatible with the Steam library in fairness?


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    #145
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    If I find that the KB and Mouse is causing a lag I have an extra long cabelled KB. The wireless is working just fine on Witcher and was the same for ME3.
    I also do not play online much and never play FPS so a small lag is not going to bother me too much TBH.

    I play my sports and driving games with the controllers
    Oh I didn't mean from a lag perspective, I meant in terms of how you physically use them. Keyboard on knees and mouse sitting on the couch beside you? Said mouse on a mousemat? Or do you have a tray / small desk / coffee table for them?


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    #146
    Myrddin
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    I too have my pc setup with my 42" tv & use wireless kb/mouse. Its the business for browsing & everyday pc work...but for gaming its terrible. You can't substitute a good quality desk with a couch, it just doesn't work.


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    #147
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    hooradiation wrote: »
    What insults?

    You'll know when I start insulting people, it's not hard to miss.

    You've been warned & banned enough in this forum alone to well know what insults. Personally I think you get away very lightly


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    #148
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    gizmo wrote: »
    Oh I didn't mean from a lag perspective, I meant in terms of how you physically use them. Keyboard on knees and mouse sitting on the couch beside you? Said mouse on a mousemat? Or do you have a tray / small desk / coffee table for them?

    Ahh I get ya

    I use either the coffee table or a breakfast tray (one of the breakfast in bed types lol)


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    #149
    ShadowHearth
    Registered Users Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    EnterNow wrote: »
    I too have my pc setup with my 42" tv & use wireless kb/mouse. Its the business for browsing & everyday pc work...but for gaming its terrible. You can't substitute a good quality desk with a couch, it just doesn't work.

    as much as i am pc fanboy gamer, i dont have a good setup to play in bed with k/m. i tried sitting and having keyboard on my lap and mouse on the bed. It worked well and i did managed played okayish MW3 on it. it would be a lot better, i guess if not some interference with wireless mouse.

    did not lasted long though. i imagine if you could get some sort of recliner chair and some tray it would work perfect.


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    #150
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    I love grammar nazi's. :D whatever makes you feel like a man.

    That English teacher was me. I learned English on my own with the help of random DVDs with subtitles and video games. It's not great English, but it works for me, and I am very happy the majority of boards.ie know that I am "****" at English, and let it slide for me.


    Then consider this another school day, "no offense" doesn't work how you think it does. Nor does it fall under being a "grammar nazi" either, seeing as it has nothing to do with grammar.
    See, I'm a nice guy. That's two for one. Happy Christmas.

    As for your language difficulties I make no apologise for not knowing about your background.

    EnterNow wrote: »
    You've been warned & banned enough in this forum alone to well know what insults. Personally I think you get away very lightly

    The continued nonsense of being banned would imply the opposite - this "insult" line is mostly arbitrary and a fucking farce.


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    #151
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    did not lasted long though. i imagine if you could get some sort of recliner chair and some tray it would work perfect.

    Bingo


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