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Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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  • #752
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Banty for Cavan maybe?


  • #753
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Roy Keane was always a team player, as he showed many times with the best example being against Juventus in 1999 when despite being ruled out of the final he played a Captains role to ensure his team reached the final. There is no comparison with Johnston who wants to jump ship, turning his back on his club and his county.

    And as much as I dont like the Gaels, it is more likely Seanie is the problem, not the rest of the team.

    As for giving the guy credit, I did give him credit where it was due, I also critised him where I felt that was due.

    I can't talk for Cavan Gaels players, my point is that sometimes winners are awkward and abrasive. A team is made up of all sorts of personalities, its up to the manager to gel them all together for the common cause.
    What I do not understand is, if as has been stated earlier, Seanie was a good trainer and possibly went the extra mile, why was he dropped from the panel.
    Its up to a Manager to sort issues and get around personalities, the easy option for the manager is to get rid of a problem player, but thats the lazy way out. Seanie Johnson is too good a forward to be dropped, unless he was not training properly, which by all accounts was not the case
    From an outside perspective it looks as if it was Val's way or the highway, and imo you cannot have a panel of 30 robots doing exactly what the manager wants, to my mind that does away with natural talent.


  • #754
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Banty for Cavan maybe?
    might be a good call there.. would imagine banty could restore team morale, i imagine morale is so low after the league campaign


  • #755
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Hammar wrote: »
    James Kavanagh and Eamon O Callaghan are very good forwards
    Mikey Conway has the potential to be a very good player.
    Tomas O Connor is a decent enough targetman and Alan Smith is a good enough player.
    None of them offer the scoring threat of Johnston.
    Seanie would start on any team in Ireland,including the big three,Kerry,Cork and Dublin.
    He would in his hoop.

    His championship scoring statistics don't exactly mark him out as a superstar.

    One point from play last year. 0-6 in 2010, 0-5 in 2009. Gooch he is not. He's a reasonably good inter-county standard player who wouldn't be in the top 30 forwards in the country based on his form since 2008.


  • #756
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Banty for Cavan maybe?

    banty is a hero in cavan already ....he has dragged meath to div 3 and didnt exactly need an extension for the trophy room in monaghan either :P
    but no thanks to him manage us we're bad enough already


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  • #757
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Lemlin wrote: »
    What were you right about? Cavan are still in Division 3 so you were wrong there.

    And, as I've said numerous times, Johnston is not the best player Cavan have produced in years. I'd take Gearoid McKiernan over him any day.
    There has been a lot of bull talked on this thread but this beats all.

    I haven't been able to write a decent response to all this as I'm away and on my mobile but will write up my views Sunday.

    As for the above being bull, could you expand on your opinion please. I said it because IMO McKiernan has more dedication and commitment in his little finger than Johnston.


  • #758
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    I can't talk for Cavan Gaels players, my point is that sometimes winners are awkward and abrasive. A team is made up of all sorts of personalities, its up to the manager to gel them all together for the common cause.
    What I do not understand is, if as has been stated earlier, Seanie was a good trainer and possibly went the extra mile, why was he dropped from the panel.
    Its up to a Manager to sort issues and get around personalities, the easy option for the manager is to get rid of a problem player, but thats the lazy way out. Seanie Johnson is too good a forward to be dropped, unless he was not training properly, which by all accounts was not the case
    From an outside perspective it looks as if it was Val's way or the highway, and imo you cannot have a panel of 30 robots doing exactly what the manager wants, to my mind that does away with natural talent.
    I said Johnston was training hard on his own but by all accounts he can be disruptive when training with the rest of the panel, not just with the county but with his own club as well. I am not going to repeat things I have been told but the stories I have heard would constitute "not training properly" imo. Again you seem to be suggesting that the problem is not with Johnston, it is with everybody else, this is not true.


  • #759
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Lemlin wrote: »
    I haven't been able to write a decent response to all this as I'm away and on my mobile but will write up my views Sunday.

    As for the above being bull, could you expand on your opinion please. I said it because IMO McKiernan has more dedication and commitment in his little finger than Johnston.
    Johnston has more class and guile in his little finger than McKiernan.

    Dedication and commitment will only get you so far, Johnston is ten times the player McKiernan is.


  • #760
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Johnston has more class and guile in his little finger than McKiernan.

    Dedication and commitment will only get you so far, Johnston is ten times the player McKiernan is.

    Leave Mckiernan out of this he is one of a few up and coming players in cavan that there would be high hopes for.


  • #761
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    celt262 wrote: »
    Leave Mckiernan out of this he is one of a few up and coming players in cavan that there would be high hopes for.
    I didn't bring him in to it!


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  • #762
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Johnston has more class and guile in his little finger than McKiernan.

    Dedication and commitment will only get you so far, Johnston is ten times the player McKiernan is.

    Who would you drop from our panel for Johnston??


  • #763
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Who would you drop from our panel for Johnston??
    Karl Ennis.


  • #764
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    MickySticks wrote: »
    A decision is expected tomorrow night from Portlaoise. Hopefully putting an end to this saga once and for all!

    so 4 days later and still no word? I thought it was being sorted this week?


  • #765
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Karl Ennis.

    Can't disagree there if I'm honest :)

    I am fearful for alan smith tbh so much talk of him not performing in years past but he is a fabulous footballer and has shown in Galway game how dangerous he is. He caused Galway lots of trouble in first half.


  • #766
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    bruschi wrote: »
    so 4 days later and still no word? I thought it was being sorted this week?
    Cavan CB stood in his way yet again, I've no idea what happens now.


  • #767
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    You would think Cavan cb would try let this happen graciously rather than dragging feet over it.. They could do without all this now and spend their time replacing new manager IMO anyways


  • #768
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Johnston has more class and guile in his little finger than McKiernan.

    Dedication and commitment will only get you so far, Johnston is ten times the player McKiernan is.

    How many times have you seen Johnston play live? I've watched him now for several years in League and Championship games.

    There's no doubting he is a tremendous footballer who can turn any game. I saw him do just that in 2010 against Wicklow in the qualifiers. He came onto the pitch and scored six fantastic points. Three Wicklow men couldn't mark him at one stage.

    That said, the important part of this is that he's a tremendous footballer, on his day. If things aren't going his way, he'll stand there, hands on hips and do little else. He won't win dirty ball. Alot of the time he won't even compete for it. I've grown tired of being at games with the missus (who's not from Cavan) listening to her whinge about Johnston's lack of effort when the chips are down.

    McKiernan, on the other hand, has class and determination. A friend of mine from Meath (where they've produced a few good footballers over the years) was with me at the Cavan Sligo league game and he couldn't believe the maturity McKiernan showed on the pitch for a 22 year old. He made a one handed catch at one stage which had the crowd on their feet.

    I'd suggest you watch Johnston live a bit more before you make such bold assertions, as you obviously haven't been doing so from your views given above.

    Yes, Johnston will produce a match winning performance at some stage if he plays for Kildare, I just wonder will McGeeney have the patience to wait for it.


  • #769
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Cavan CB stood in his way yet again, I've no idea what happens now.

    source?

    or source to how they stood in the way the last time? As far as I was aware, they just had concerns over the validity of Johnstons claims he was living in Kildare, which they are quite right about.


  • #770
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Lemlin wrote: »
    How many times have you seen Johnston play live? I've watched him now for several years in League and Championship games.

    There's no doubting he is a tremendous footballer who can turn any game. I saw him do just that in 2010 against Wicklow in the qualifiers. He came onto the pitch and scored six fantastic points. Three Wicklow men couldn't mark him at one stage.

    That said, the important part of this is that he's a tremendous footballer, on his day. If things aren't going his way, he'll stand there, hands on hips and do little else. He won't win dirty ball. Alot of the time he won't even compete for it. I've grown tired of being at games with the missus (who's not from Cavan) listening to her whinge about Johnston's lack of effort when the chips are down.

    McKiernan, on the other hand, has class and determination. A friend of mine from Meath (where they've produced a few good footballers over the years) was with me at the Cavan Sligo league game and he couldn't believe the maturity McKiernan showed on the pitch for a 22 year old. He made a one handed catch at one stage which had the crowd on their feet.

    I'd suggest you watch Johnston live a bit more before you make such bold assertions, as you obviously haven't been doing so from your views given above.

    Yes, Johnston will produce a match winning performance at some stage if he plays for Kildare, I just wonder will McGeeney have the patience to wait for it.
    I watched him against Kildare in Newbridge in a qualifier a couple of years ago, only for a late Mick Foley goal, Johnston nearly beat us on his own that day. He was kicking points from every angle of St. Conleth's Park that day.

    He is the best that Cavan have and they don't want him. More fool them!


    bruschi wrote: »
    source?

    or source to how they stood in the way the last time? As far as I was aware, they just had concerns over the validity of Johnstons claims he was living in Kildare, which they are quite right about.
    Todays Irish Daily Star.


  • #771
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Can't disagree there if I'm honest :)

    I am fearful for alan smith tbh so much talk of him not performing in years past but he is a fabulous footballer and has shown in Galway game how dangerous he is. He caused Galway lots of trouble in first half.
    Smith is very hit and miss. On his day he is unstoppable but them days are few and far between IMO. He needs to be more consistent.


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  • #772
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Smith is very hit and miss. On his day he is unstoppable but them days are few and far between IMO. He needs to be more consistent.

    I seen him kick 11 points in open play vs leixlip a few years ago. Hit and miss maybe but a lethal finisher.

    Karl is a sound lad met him before but yes if I'm honest is definitely expendable!


  • #773
    lilywhites28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭lilywhites28


    According to the leinster leader we will hear the decision on the 23rd of this month. http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/date-set-for-johnston-appeal-1-3733329
    Johnston has more evidence this time round (toll reciepts) etc. Our local radio station said quote" According to their sources there was no objection by Cavan CB" Honest to god after hearing Johnston on kfm saying he wants to play football with st.kevins and Kildare. Would the wise thing not be to let him off and let him be at this stage.
    On another note. How does the motion passed today effect Johnston? Is it the previous years club championship or current? Or does it effect him at all considering his transfer was put in before todays motion was passed?


  • #774
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    The wording of this motion is as follows per the website:-

    That the following be adopted as a New Rule in Chapter 6
    O.G.
    Eligibility for Inter-County Teams
    A Player shall have played in Club Championship with
    a Club in a County in the previous or current year to be
    eligible to play in any Inter-County Competition with that
    County, save as provided for in Rules 6.6 and 6.7.

    Make of that what you will. :confused:


  • #775
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    Please let it be over!!!!


  • #776
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    MickySticks wrote: »
    I watched him against Kildare in Newbridge in a qualifier a couple of years ago, only for a late Mick Foley goal, Johnston nearly beat us on his own that day. He was kicking points from every angle of St. Conleth's Park that day.

    He is the best that Cavan have and they don't want him. More fool them

    Change a couple of years ago to 4 years ago. That game was 2008. Cavan scored 1-15 that day. Johnston scored 6 points of that, 3 from play and 3 from frees. I was at that match and you must be easily impressed if you thought he had a virtuoso performance that day. He was decent but Johnny Doyle was easily the best player on the pitch.

    And your basing your high opinion of Johnston on the once you have seen him play live? Again, I'd suggest that you are easily impressed.

    Also, have you ever seen Gearoid McKiernan play? You are giving opinions on him and Cavan yet it appears you haven't seen them play since 2008.


  • #777
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    I've posted my thoughts on Andrews going and Cavan football in general here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78146190#post78146190


  • #778
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ha ha ha I wasn't wrong about Val though, was I ? Even the Cavan players old and new saw through him, which was my main point !!!!!

    Yes, these highly successful Cavan lads that have beaten Wicklow, Antrim an d Fermanagh in the last six years. Sure they should be competing for All-Irelands!


  • #779
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Lemlin wrote: »
    Change a couple of years ago to 4 years ago. That game was 2008. Cavan scored 1-15 that day. Johnston scored 6 points of that, 3 from play and 3 from frees. I was at that match and you must be easily impressed if you thought he had a virtuoso performance that day. He was decent but Johnny Doyle was easily the best player on the pitch.

    And your basing your high opinion of Johnston on the once you have seen him play live? Again, I'd suggest that you are easily impressed.

    Also, have you ever seen Gearoid McKiernan play? You are giving opinions on him and Cavan yet it appears you haven't seen them play since 2008.
    Johnny Doyle is the best player on the pitch in most matches. ;)

    And yes I've seen McKiernan play 3 or 4 times and he is good but not anywhere near as good as Jelly.


  • #780
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Lemlin wrote: »
    Yes, these highly successful Cavan lads that have beaten Wicklow, Antrim an d Fermanagh in the last six years. Sure they should be competing for All-Irelands!

    They should have been able to beat Offaly when leading by 4 points and also a man up at home but my Cavan friends told me that the decisions from the sideline lost that game for them. That's the same Offaly team that lost to Tipperary to keep Cavan up by the way.
    Do you honestly think there was improvement from your last League campaign, honestly now ?


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  • #781
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    tayto lover wrote: »
    They should have been able to beat Offaly when leading by 4 points and also a man up at home but my Cavan friends told me that the decisions from the sideline lost that game for them. That's the same Offaly team that lost to Tipperary to keep Cavan up by the way.
    Do you honestly think there was improvement from your last League campaign, honestly now ?

    What decisions from the sideline cost Cavan the game?

    I was at that game and Cavan were terrible in the second half. Offaly were woeful and Cavan should have beaten them. It was hugely disappointing but it was down to the players more than anyone else IMO.

    No, I don't think there was any improvement but I do think that young players got vital playing time and Cavan moved towards a more professional panel.

    If Terry Hyland did take over, I'd happily see him drop every player from the era pre this year and concentrate on playing only U21s from last year and this year and the others coming through. It's not because of the different management that Cavan have beaten only 3 poor sides (Antrim, Fermanagh and Wicklow) in six years of Championship.

    People can keep their head in the sand if they like but management isn't the problem in Cavan.


  • #782
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    MickySticks wrote: »
    Johnny Doyle is the best player on the pitch in most matches. ;)

    And yes I've seen McKiernan play 3 or 4 times and he is good but not anywhere near as good as Jelly.

    Can I ask in what games have you seen McKiernan play? Seems strange you've seen him play 3 or 4 times but haven't seen Johnston play since 2008.

    I'd also ask that you watch a few Cavan games online and see if your view of Johnston is still the same.


  • #783
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MIcky I think your talking out of your arse tbh!! What's with the Johnston love? I have never seen mckiernan playing I don't think but if lemlin says he is a better player than seanie take his word as he seems to know his Cavan county scene!! It's like your clutching at straws and can not have a negative thing said about seanie..

    He is not the best player since dawn of time undoubtedly he is a fine footballer but one of ten best in country?? I don't think so!!


  • #784
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Btw don't take that personally but you really seem to be saying anything at all to lemlin to try to prove your right when your not!!


  • #785
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Lemlin wrote: »
    What decisions from the sideline cost Cavan the game?

    I was at that game and Cavan were terrible in the second half. Offaly were woeful and Cavan should have beaten them. It was hugely disappointing but it was down to the players more than anyone else IMO.

    No, I don't think there was any improvement but I do think that young players got vital playing time and Cavan moved towards a more professional panel.

    If Terry Hyland did take over, I'd happily see him drop every player from the era pre this year and concentrate on playing only U21s from last year and this year and the others coming through. It's not because of the different management that Cavan have beaten only 3 poor sides (Antrim, Fermanagh and Wicklow) in six years of Championship.



    People can keep their head in the sand if they like but management isn't the problem in Cavan.

    Well if it's not because of the management why do you think Cavan have beaten only three poor sides in the last 6 years. I would say that it is because they should have appointed someone with a good pedigree in management who would be looked up to and who would be a good motivator. None of their last managers since Mc Hugh have had any success. Tommy Carr was even in charge of Westmeath minors who were well beaten by Louth at the weekend. and with Dublin and Roscommon prior to that. Andrews had no success with Louth and in my opinion set them back several years.
    Obviously I was not at the Cavan v Offaly game but they failed to use their extra man wisely and lost a 4 point half-time lead. My Cavan friends who were at the game say that the sideline were unable to curb the match winning performance of Offaly's Niall McNamee so they didn't/couldn't use the extra man to their advantage at all and seemed to have a poor if any game plan.

    I would not disagree with your point in using the U 21's from the last two years at all but you need a good experienced manager with a winning pedigree in order not to ruin them. The likes of Pete Mc Grath who has won All Irelands would be great.


  • #786
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Lemlin wrote: »
    Can I ask in what games have you seen McKiernan play? Seems strange you've seen him play 3 or 4 times but haven't seen Johnston play since 2008.

    I'd also ask that you watch a few Cavan games online and see if your view of Johnston is still the same.
    I've only seen Johnston play once live! I've seen him loads of times on telly and online. The same with McKiernan, and I can't recall the games but he didn't stand out in them unlike Johnston. Johnston will get even better if he plays with Kildare, he will have much better players around him and the supply of ball will be better than what he would have gotten playing on a poor Cavan team.

    As for you DK, you were preaching to me that a NFL final is more important than a Leinster title so excuse me if I take what you say with a very large pinch of salt. You also didn't know what position Johnston plays so you really haven't a clue.


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  • #787
    full_irish
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭full_irish


    MickySticks wrote: »
    As for you DK, you were preaching to me that a NFL Division 2final is more important than a Leinster title so excuse me if I take what you say with a very large pinch of salt. You also didn't know what position Johnston plays so you really haven't a clue.

    FYP, and that makes it even worse! I agree that quite a few of DK's posts are complete nonesense.


  • #788
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    full_irish wrote: »
    FYP, and that makes it even worse! I agree that quite a few of DK's posts are complete nonesense.

    Who asked you for an opinion on my posts??

    Keep your nose out please?? ;)


  • #789
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    I've only seen Johnston play once live! I've seen him loads of times on telly and online. The same with McKiernan, and I can't recall the games but he didn't stand out in them unlike Johnston. Johnston will get even better if he plays with Kildare, he will have much better players around him and the supply of ball will be better than what he would have gotten playing on a poor Cavan team.

    As for you DK, you were preaching to me that a NFL final is more important than a Leinster title so excuse me if I take what you say with a very large pinch of salt. You also didn't know what position Johnston plays so you really haven't a clue.

    I think your clinging on to the fact or hope that Johnston will push us forward to an AI which is crap talk that's what I'm saying and as for people talking bout a Leinster title 12 years ago LMAO I bet you would suit as a Liverpool fan talking bout the 1980s..

    There's a reason I didn't know Johnston was a corner forward btw. It's because he is not being talked about much apart from his dramatised transfer and IMO that says a lot about Johnston!!


  • #790
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    I think your clinging on to the fact or hope that Johnston will push us forward to an AI which is crap talk that's what I'm saying and as for people talking bout a Leinster title 12 years ago LMAO I bet you would suit as a Liverpool fan talking bout the 1980s..

    There's a reason I didn't know Johnston was a corner forward btw. It's because he is not being talked about much apart from his dramatised transfer and IMO that says a lot about Johnston!!
    This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    You didn't know he was a corner forward because of your lack of knowledge, the reason you thought he was a centre forward is because it says so on his Wiki page. ;)


  • #791
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    MickySticks wrote: »
    This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    You didn't know he was a corner forward because of your lack of knowledge, the reason you thought he was a centre forward is because it says so on his Wiki page. ;)
    so what?? does it matter i dont follow cavan football??

    your ****e talking and lemlin called you out and fair play to him imo....

    what knowledge do you have? hoping that cavans rejects will come play for us.. cop yourself on, theres a reason why cavan dont want him...


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  • #792
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    so what?? does it matter i dont follow cavan football??

    your ****e talking and lemlin called you out and fair play to him imo....

    what knowledge do you have? hoping that cavans rejects will come play for us.. cop yourself on, theres a reason why cavan dont want him...
    More than you evidently. Go on, enlighten us all to why Cavan don't want him...


  • #793
    Lemlin
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well if it's not because of the management why do you think Cavan have beaten only three poor sides in the last 6 years. I would say that it is because they should have appointed someone with a good pedigree in management who would be looked up to and who would be a good motivator. None of their last managers since Mc Hugh have had any success. Tommy Carr was even in charge of Westmeath minors who were well beaten by Louth at the weekend. and with Dublin and Roscommon prior to that. Andrews had no success with Louth and in my opinion set them back several years.
    Obviously I was not at the Cavan v Offaly game but they failed to use their extra man wisely and lost a 4 point half-time lead. My Cavan friends who were at the game say that the sideline were unable to curb the match winning performance of Offaly's Niall McNamee so they didn't/couldn't use the extra man to their advantage at all and seemed to have a poor if any game plan.

    I would not disagree with your point in using the U 21's from the last two years at all but you need a good experienced manager with a winning pedigree in order not to ruin them. The likes of Pete Mc Grath who has won All Irelands would be great.

    It's because of the players as I've said above. The talent just hasn't been there for the last few years. We had a bunch of players who achieved nothing at underage level. Cavan people name off various players and regularly talk as if they should be playing for Dublin or Kerry but the fact is that the talent, and often dedication and commitment, just isn't there.

    To be honest, Val Andrews and Tommy Carr are about the best we could have hoped for. No managers would be cueing up to take on Cavan, especially with the way the panel have acted in the past. The last three managers, McElhennon, Keoghan and Carr have commented on it, and I saw it still going on with my own eyes last year under Andrews. That is why I was happy to see him take the autocratic route.

    McGrath hasn't managed a successful county team in years. Cavan need some of the Armagh/Tyrone players who are familiar with the way GAA is now played. They'd really move the panel on. That's why I would of loved to have seen McNulty or Canavan.

    My only hope is that a decent manager might see the decent U21s/minors that we have coming through and take the plunge. With this latest farce, I can't see it happening though.

    If I could appoint any man in the morning, it would be Joe Kernan. Whoever comes in, needs to be given time anyway. Time that I still believe Val should have been afforded. He started the work that others ignored before him.


  • #794
    full_irish
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭full_irish


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Who asked you for an opinion on my posts??

    Keep your nose out please?? ;)

    Well if that's how we're playing the game... who asked you to comment on my posts? :P


  • #795
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Lemlin wrote: »
    It's because of the players as I've said above. The talent just hasn't been there for the last few years. We had a bunch of players who achieved nothing at underage level. Cavan people name off various players and regularly talk as if they should be playing for Dublin or Kerry but the fact is that the talent, and often dedication and commitment, just isn't there.

    To be honest, Val Andrews and Tommy Carr are about the best we could have hoped for. No managers would be cueing up to take on Cavan, especially with the way the panel have acted in the past. The last three managers, McElhennon, Keoghan and Carr have commented on it, and I saw it still going on with my own eyes last year under Andrews. That is why I was happy to see him take the autocratic route.

    McGrath hasn't managed a successful county team in years. Cavan need some of the Armagh/Tyrone players who are familiar with the way GAA is now played. They'd really move the panel on. That's why I would of loved to have seen McNulty or Canavan.

    My only hope is that a decent manager might see the decent U21s/minors that we have coming through and take the plunge. With this latest farce, I can't see it happening though.

    If I could appoint any man in the morning, it would be Joe Kernan. Whoever comes in, needs to be given time anyway. Time that I still believe Val should have been afforded. He started the work that others ignored before him.

    Don't think Big Joe had much success in Galway though. They couldn't afford him either it seems. I think every county has good enough players if treated properly and given good training regimes. Underage success does not always lead to senior success either and Kerry seem to be able to produce senior teams without it.


  • #796
    Lemlin
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    MickySticks wrote: »
    I've only seen Johnston play once live! I've seen him loads of times on telly and online. The same with McKiernan, and I can't recall the games but he didn't stand out in them unlike Johnston. Johnston will get even better if he plays with Kildare, he will have much better players around him and the supply of ball will be better than what he would have gotten playing on a poor Cavan team.

    Could you please name some of these games that you've seen Johnston in. Cavan are rarely shown on TV or online. Indeed, Johnston's virtuoso performance against Wicklow in 2009 got the grand total of about two minutes on the Sunday Game, and that was to summarise an entire game which had two sendings off.

    The panel has won 3 games in six years of Championship football so its not as if there is much to show to be honest. A maximum of two games most years could be shown and a Cavan qualifier game has never been shown live on TV - we're not exactly top of the billing. In fact, one game, against Donegal last year, has been shown in the last two years of Championship football.

    Your point re McKiernan also confuses me. McKiernan only started playing intercounty senior football for Cavan in 2011. Only the Donegal game was televised last year and the only game he ever played in that was televised before that was the U21 All-Ireland final. That's a grand total of 2 games that you could have seen him play in.

    Therefore I seem to be missing out on some online catalogue of Cavan games you have access to that I'd love to watch.

    I agree with your point re the better players but the other thing is that Johnston will be playing against better players. Karl Lacey did a fine job on him last year for Donegal and that's the standard of corner back he'll be up against if Kildare go as far as they expect. It's one thing scoring six points in a half hour against Wicklow, it's another thing playing against the backs from Dublin, Cork and Kerry.

    I'm not disagreeing that Johnston is a fine player but I do think you are vastly overrating him and I also think you are making comments about McKiernan when you know very little about him.

    I'd love to see him go to Kildare and knock over points for fun and I've always wished him the best if he does go. To be honest, he's had years of trudging around in what has been a very unprofessional Cavan camp. I know one of the lads who played for DCU with him described DCU training as being top notch and Cavan training under Tommy Carr at the time being a joke. Years of stuff like that had to eat into his commitment.


  • #797
    Lemlin
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Don't think Big Joe had much success in Galway though. They couldn't afford him either it seems. I think every county has good enough players if treated properly and given good training regimes. Underage success does not always lead to senior success either and Kerry seem to be able to produce senior teams without it.

    I'd disagree re every county having talent. It's quite clear that some counties are just weak. I also think population comes into it. Cavan has quite a low population compared to most other counties. There's more people in Blanchardstown than their is in the whole county of Cavan.

    Big Joe was an All-Ireland winner and Cavan would do well to get anywhere near him, despite what happened in Galway.


  • #798
    munchkin_utd
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    Cavan Gaels challenge Johnston move
    By Colm Keys
    Monday April 16 2012
    SEANIE Johnston's protracted transfer request to a club in Kildare has taken another twist with concern now raised by his club over the player's proposed move.

    Cavan Gaels had originally opted not to challenge any aspect of Johnston's move to St Kevin's in Kildare when he submitted his first request in January.

    But the latest request has come back from Cavan to Croke Park with concerns raised by both the county board and his current club over the move.

    Clubs and county boards can't raise 'objections' in these matters, but they can raise concerns and it is understood that the Central Competitions Controls Committee (CCCC) will have to examine a new concern from Cavan Gaels over Johnston's permanent residency.

    The transfer form came back from Cavan late last week, just hours before Congress voted to change the rules governing inter-county transfers.<snip>
    The CCCC are not expected to meet on the issue until Monday of next week.
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavan-gaels-challenge-johnston-move-3081523.html

    The rule book section on transfers was tidied up at congress at the weekend along with minor modifications but if I understand it right the new rules don't come into force for 4 weeks after the vote, so this will be dealt with under the old rules.


  • #799
    lilywhites28
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    Dont think the motion at congress effects him Johnstons case is being heard on Monday the 23rd.


  • #800
    roy rodgers
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    I love keeping this thrend going but it looks like the GAA are acting the mickey once more I cant understand why they didnt ask cavan gaels up to their meeting last night. Madness


    Meanwhile, the Seanie Johnston transfer saga is set to drag into a fifth month after the Central Competition Controls Committee (CCCC) delayed making a decision on his application to switch to Kildare last night.
    The committee instead opted to invite Johnston's home club Cavan Gaels to their next meeting after they raised concerns about his residency claims. That meeting is unlikely to happen until early May.
    Johnston supplied an address in Straffan in a bid to throw his lot in with Kildare. The saga has been complicated further after Val Andrews stepped down as Cavan manager and his replacement Terry Hyland has refused to rule out a return to the fold for the 27-year-old attacker.


  • #801
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    roy rodgers wrote: »
    I love keeping this thrend going but it looks like the GAA are acting the mickey once more I cant understand why they didnt ask cavan gaels up to their meeting last night. Madness


    Meanwhile, the Seanie Johnston transfer saga is set to drag into a fifth month after the Central Competition Controls Committee (CCCC) delayed making a decision on his application to switch to Kildare last night.
    The committee instead opted to invite Johnston's home club Cavan Gaels to their next meeting after they raised concerns about his residency claims. That meeting is unlikely to happen until early May.
    Johnston supplied an address in Straffan in a bid to throw his lot in with Kildare. The saga has been complicated further after Val Andrews stepped down as Cavan manager and his replacement Terry Hyland has refused to rule out a return to the fold for the 27-year-old attacker.

    Croke Park doesn't want the move to go through. It's as simple as that. They'll drag their heels to the last and they've already started changing rules and regulations since this move started.

    Seanie better watch out or he'll be playing no competitive football, let alone intercounty.


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