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Skinhead Kane wrote: »How much would interns, starting doctors and consultants actually earn realistically speaking, if we would to be working in a hospital right this minute?
I'm not so interested in the pay but it would be good having a fair idea of how much to expect, and it seems like every website I find on Google regarding the pay, have different figures.
This is from January 2010 - Do a search for "Intern" and you'll find intern, SHO, registrar etc. All the HSE documents are here but the 2010 one is the most recent one I can find that mentions interns etc.Apocladagr0 wrote: »This is getting terribly depressing. Nevermind the HPAT - just. look. at. this.
I just learnt that doctors must memorize this chart for a biochemistry exam.
Hopeless. Not only does it appear extremely difficult, but, more worryingly it doesn't even look interesting or enjoyable in the slightest. Seems like a dreadful way to spend my life tbh. Can any medical student please enlighten me, is this actually true - are you required to learn this thing off?
Specifically for that chart, no. Biochemistry is covered in first med and metabolic pathways make up a big part of the module, but certainly nothing like that! Only a few pathways from that chart are covered (It looks way too complicated to figure out how much of it we actually covered :pac:), it doesn't have to be completely memorised (more important to understand how each thing happens, rather than the names of each product) and they're not taught like that, each pathway is taken out and covered on its own.
In saying that though, there is a lot of memorisation as well as understanding needed for the exams (unfortunately the rote learning doesn't stop at Leaving Cert), and in every course you're going to come up against modules that you don't find interesting or enjoyable, but you just have to carry on with them. The pre-clinical years cover a lot of theory and background with some clinical modules, the real "doctor-y" stuff doesn't start til later on.0 -
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Apocladagr0 wrote: »I've never understood why they don't cut working hours in half and train twice as many doctors. It would make medicine both less competitive to get into as well as having less hours.
I'm banking on everything being fixed and less stressful when I'm employed:D
Training twice as many doctors actually wouldn't be that good a deal. In Australia, they're beginning to have this problem known as the "medical student tsunami" where there aren't enough internship positions for the interns that come out of university as there have been too many new medical schools opening. Full impacts haven't been felt but it's estimated that there'll be interns that will miss out next year so they have to cut international intern numbers or something.This is an article that all here should read. If, like me, you're not put off after it, go for medicine all the way
I'm relatively sure the article exaggerates in a few ways. Pretty much doctors/interns everywhere in the world have to work heavy and long hours without overtime. It's just simply part of the learning process that's what allows hospitals to run all the time. Australian interns average a 60 hour week and for those who want to specialise it's probably even worse.0 -
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Cupertinokiid wrote: »Lets get it started lads
:P I know i'm very early but its a handy way for those who know they want med to keep in contact and vent their idea's
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Actually, I think you misunderstood spurious, Cupertinokiid ... she agreed that grammar nazis are annoying, she in no way implied that your outburst was justified.Cupertinokiid wrote: »Sorry about my outburst there admin....glad to see you agree it was justified though , thanks
The first rule of this site from its foundation has always been "Be civil!"
We hold to that very strongly here in the LC forum; sure, a bit of good-natured teasing and banter is fine in an appropriate context, but definitely NOT the kind of abuse which spurious deleted earlier.
Having (I hope) made that clear for everyone, let's move on.0 -
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Skinhead Kane wrote: »Have you done the HPAT before?
well I do it on M** E**** but its too hard.....
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little sis... wrote: »
well I do it on M** E**** but its too hard.....
What exactly is the hard part? A lot of the questions are not so difficult (bar a few), once you understand the concept of what they're asking you, it all becomes like any other exam. Practice makes perfect, keep going over and over and over and over and over and you will soon perfect it.
I'm going to start after Christmas, at least 2-4 hours a week, for about 10-12 months until HPAT 2014.0 -
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little sis... wrote: »well I do it on M** E**** but its too hard.....
You can't even get 625 because they have this system in place:
Total points = Leaving Certificate (adjusted) + HPAT score
Up to 550: no adjustment
>550: 5 points = 1 adjusted point
Maximum LC score of 625 = 565 adjusted points
An example: If your unadjusted LC points is 565, and HPAT score is 190:
Your adjusted LC points is 553
553+190=743 Total points
In 2012 you need about 730 points to get into medicine.0 -
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You can't even get 625 because they have this system in place:
Total points = Leaving Certificate (adjusted) + HPAT score
Up to 550: no adjustment
>550: 5 points = 1 adjusted point
Maximum LC score of 625 = 565 adjusted points
An example: If your unadjusted LC points is 565, and HPAT score is 190:
Your adjusted LC points is 553
553+190=743 Total points
In 2012 you need about 730 points to get into medicine.
Yeh I'm aware of all that its just I'll end up with a score of like 150 MAX in the hpat and that leaves me with NO CHANCE of getting medicine even if I got 625 (or 565 adjusted)
They're making the hpat seem wayyyyy more important that the LC but it shouldn't be as its not a taught subject and you havnt spent 3 years practicing for it 0 -
little sis... wrote: »Yeh I'm aware of all that its just I'll end up with a score of like 150 MAX in the hpat and that leaves me with NO CHANCE of getting medicine even if I got 625 (or 565 adjusted)
They're making the hpat seem wayyyyy more important that the LC but it shouldn't be as its not a taught subject and you havnt spent 3 years practicing for it
Have you taken up the course with ME or any other HPAT revision course?0 -
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Skinhead Kane wrote: »Apologies. I must've forgot. Are you on the platinum package? And no not yet, like besides questions I've found on Google but noting serious yet, I sort of like them kind of questions though (if you get me), HPAT style questions is sort of something I would try do for fun because I love riddles and doing IQ tests but I've yet to actually do it, so I don't know yet..
Not sure really, someone did it for me :rolleyes:
Well at least you're motivated!
I USED to like riddled and IQ tests and all that UNTIL the hpat came along and just confused me....
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little sis... wrote: »
Not sure really, someone did it for me :rolleyes:
Well at least you're motivated!
I USED to like riddled and IQ tests and all that UNTIL the hpat came along and just confused me....
What part do you find the hardest?0 -
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Skinhead Kane wrote: »What part do you find the hardest?
All of them are challenging to be honest haha I think I just suck at it in general :rolleyes: 0 -
little sis... wrote: »
All of them are challenging to be honest haha I think I just suck at it in general :rolleyes:
Very optimistic and confident I see lol0 -
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