New Household Tax - Boycott

Tim Robbins · 27-07-2011 10:09am

okiss wrote: »

To Tim Robbins re your earlier post - It's also a good way to get self employed people who dodge tax...

I'm sorry for the generalisation but any self employed person I know does not fully declare for tax.

I think it is unfair PAYE workers get no choice in the matter while self employed can write half their life off as an expense and those who deal in cash don't even have to go that far.

Tim Robbins · 27-07-2011 10:13am

I pay 200 euro property tax for my sole residence simply because I don't live there. I have no problem with this. Property tax if you live in the place will be much lower.

I am really struggling why Irish people find it difficult to deal with a tax that is normal in every single other western democracy.

Bullseye1 · 27-07-2011 10:15am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I pay 200 euro property tax for my sole residence simply because I don't live there. I have no problem with this. Property tax if you live in the place will be much lower.

I am really struggling why Irish people find it difficult to deal with a tax that is normal in every single other western democracy.

Maybe because our services are not as good as those other democracies. Most people would be happy to pay these taxes if they knew the money was remaining in the locality and not ending up in the general coffers.

Diarmuid · 27-07-2011 10:19am

meglome wrote: »

If we had been paying a property tax and a water tax all along we would have decent water pipes and we wouldn't have gone mad wasting fast money got from stamp duty.

The government was receiving huge amount of (unsustainable) income from various taxes in the bubble years. We still have crap water pipes and they still wasted that income, handing it out left, right and center to vested interested to get themselves re-elected.
Why will this tax be any more wisely spent?

BluntGuy · 27-07-2011 10:22am

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Maybe because our services are not as good as those other democracies. Most people would be happy to pay these taxes if they knew the money was remaining in the locality and not ending up in the general coffers.

I agree. If this charge went hand in hand with comprehensive reform of the local government system, where local councils were given real revenue generation powers and made to account for all their spending, then I wouldn't mind. It would be a real missed opportunity if that wasn't done.

careca11 · 27-07-2011 10:28am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I pay 200 euro property tax for my sole residence simply because I don't live there. I have no problem with this. Property tax if you live in the place will be much lower.

I am really struggling why Irish people find it difficult to deal with a tax that is normal in every single other western democracy.

because in most western european countries their property tax goes towards refuse charges, road maintainence water charges fire brigade services , etc

here we already pay bin charges, road tax (suppose to be towards upkeep of roads) right, call out charge for the fire brigade plus a lot of us pay local fees for the upkeep of our estate etc , and we are going to be paying water charges on top of this

this charge of €100 will simply go towards county council salaries/expenses as they are short on money due to collapsed deals with Developers , less money coming in from Rates due to closure of shops etc. or will go paying off the debt built up on lies upon lies.

once this is brought in , it will go only one way

The Gov would be better off ploughing all their efforts into reducing expenditure, like unvouched expenses , high pay for themselves, higher public sectore pay (especially the layer upon layer of mickey mouse management roles ) , tax cheats , social welfare cheats , cut the foreign aid budget , budget for the Arts ,

Tim Robbins · 27-07-2011 10:29am

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Maybe because our services are not as good as those other democracies. Most people would be happy to pay these taxes if they knew the money was remaining in the locality and not ending up in the general coffers.

Very true. But if it's clear what people are paying their local councils maybe they might actually take an interest in putting a bit of pressure on them.

I'd love to see say the county council budget directly funded by this tax. Then if people knew that a 4K a property tax was paying someone in the county council 80K+ pension to work in a planning office, they might actually take a bit of citizen's interest in these people were actually doing what they were paid to do.

And if there was a strong argument for cutting some salaries, the government would get some support rather than most people being apathetic or falling from the nonsense coming from the Unions.

My point is the only way to make some people take an interest is to make them pay for it.

If you look at management companies, people who pay managment fees are genuinely far more interested in where there money goes than people who don't and just get the county council or whoever looking after their road.

hinault · 27-07-2011 10:32am

Taxation needs to be progressive.

In a country where politicians are hell bent on collecting tax to pay for insolvent banks (whether those banks are insolvent Irish banks and/or German/French banks is immaterial) is neither progressive or just.

This household charge smacks of motor tax.
Tax is collected but it doesn't go to maintaining the road infrastructure.

This household tax is another such tax.

ei.sdraob · 27-07-2011 10:33am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Very true. But if it's clear what people are paying their local councils maybe they might actually take an interest in putting a bit of pressure on them.

The money will be collected locally but then it will be sent to the central government as per yesterdays announcement and then whatever remains is redistributed back

What happens if most people in lets say the Republic of Cork decides not to pay...

mattser · 27-07-2011 10:34am

bkeano wrote: »

Hi all Boardies

Can we all please make a stance here and get our non boardies to do the same. Enough is Enough We should not pay this new household Tax. Its the same as the Poll tax in the UK. I am an normal Joe Soap with 2 kids. I cant pay any more Taxes. I can afford it as it is. I am lucky to have my Job.

We need to mount a serious objection here and nationwide.

thanks
Brian

Unfortunately we must pay this. Put it down to everyone who voted a particular way for the past decade and a half. There were quite a few, you know. It is possible they may even be whinging on this thread.

blackdog2 · 27-07-2011 10:34am

Lots of people saying "Well Ireland is a low tax country etcetc", but the Irish state in all honesty probably offers the lowest level of service I have ever seen. All other countries I have been to offer a far greater level of value for money. Now they are bringing the costs up, while cutting services and charges.

Vote with your feet, leave the godforsaken place. At least then maybe you can live in a nice, safe place. It doesn't look like it will change for the better any time soon.

Dirk Gently · 27-07-2011 10:35am

In theory I agree with a property tax as part of a stable and sustainable tax base. I oppose the introduction of this though as the economy simply can not take it at the moment. The 100 euro is a token charge, it will of course be increased significantly in coming years. This will represent a lot of peoples disposable income, money which wont be spent in shops or on services in the local economy, forcing many small businesses to close as people simply have no money left over to spend. more places closing, more people on the dole queue, higher deficit as we have to fund welfare payments. We should be stimulating our economy right now, not purposely doing everything we can to stop it growing. More people working means more taxes and less welfare expenditure, taxing people to the point of subsistence does the opposite. Most business out there are just about covering (reduced) wages at the moment and many owners are not drawing salaries as it is, they dont need peoples spending power decreased even further.

When people have money to spend, when jobs are created and when we have less people barely keeping their heads above water I think the idea should be revisited and pitched together with a full transparent online ledger showing the money coming in and what it is being spent on locally. The public ledger should be available and updated regularly on local council web pages showing exactly where the money is being spent.

Similarly, in theory I agree with water metering but don't think it should be a revenue raising exercise. Frankly this is a dangerous one and one which I think should require a constitutional amendment to guarantee a free basic water supply to every household and only the excess charged for those who waste beyond their basic need.

Magic Beans · 27-07-2011 10:40am

When I send off my cheque for €100 I know exactly how it will be spent and what value I will get for it? - None, abosultely none .

Dail Eireann - Written Answers - Ministerial Travel wrote:

297. Deputy Niall Collins asked the Minister for Arts; Heritage and the Gaeltacht the rate of travel expense that is mileage paid for use of his private cars; the rate of subsistence payments and any other allowances available to him and his Ministers of State in the course of their appointment; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [17234/11] Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht (Deputy Jimmy Deenihan): Both the Minister of State in my Department, Deputy. Dinny McGinley, and I can claim a maximum mileage of 96,540 kms per annum broken down as follows:—
cc of car 1501 to 2000
Mileage Kms High Rate Reduced Rate First 6,437 €0.5907 Remainder 90,103 €0.2846 Maximum 96,540
We may also claim the difference between Class 1 and Class 11 car insurance and any other official expenses incurred during the trip, e.g., public transport, parking, tolls, etc.
The subsistence allowances available to all Government employees, including Ministers and Minister of State, are set by the Department of Finance. The current overnight subsistence allowance for domestic travel available to both myself and the Minister of State is €72.66 plus the vouched cost of a hotel room (including tax and up to 15% service charge.)
We may claim a day rate of €33.61 in respect of a 10 hour absence from the office and €13.71 in respect of a 5 hour absence from the office.
When travelling abroad (including Northern Ireland), both I and my Minister of State may claim the vouched cost of a hotel room and up to 15% service charge plus the applicable A civil service conference rate for the destination in question increased by one third (with the exception of the USA and Canada where it is increased by one half).

There's my property / water tax and more for a whole year right there. Gone in one day. Gone into a TD's pocket. :mad:

Forget the tax - combat the current waste.
The Govt coffers are haemorraging money.
Fix it, fix it now.

hinault · 27-07-2011 10:46am

If enough citizens boycott this tax, the government will end up spending millions in trying to collect/prosecute/bring to court/imprison all those who boycott this
tax.

Tim Robbins · 27-07-2011 12:11pm

hinault wrote: »

If enough citizens boycott this tax, the tax paying citizens will end up spending millions in trying to collect/prosecute/bring to court/imprison all those who boycott this
tax.

fixed that for you.

ei.sdraob · 27-07-2011 12:14pm

hinault wrote: »

If enough citizens boycott this tax, the government will end up spending millions in trying to collect/prosecute/bring to court/imprison all those who boycott this
tax.

No need to boycott it, just dont pay it

provided you dont go selling your home no one will come after you

meglome · 27-07-2011 12:16pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

The government was receiving huge amount of (unsustainable) income from various taxes in the bubble years. We still have crap water pipes and they still wasted that income, handing it out left, right and center to vested interested to get themselves re-elected.
Why will this tax be any more wisely spent?

It's a different world now and thankfully a different government. I agree totally that the previous government wasted money on vested interests. The point I'm making is the large chunks of bubble money made it very easy to waste it, too easy. While I wouldn't want to be the one who swears the new taxes will just go to fix what they were raised for, we're broke, so it's a lot more difficult to be wasteful full stop.

murphaph · 27-07-2011 12:17pm

I, like others, have no problem paying a tax in principle. I have a MASSIVE problem with the waste and ongoing largesse evidenced by the government, politicians in general and public sector.

The government appear to have decided to avoid making cuts to any PS pay (at least on the SW front they will likely cut the "side benefits" like rent allowance, while of course leaving the basic rates alone) and instead have opted to squeeze the general populous for every last penny they can get.

It is truly sickenning. Ireland will rot because of a failure to tackle these things. Bright people will just leave and set up their businesses in a land that doesn't rob them of all their hard earned money, just to hand it over to greedy politicians and overpaid public servants and long term benefit thieves.

Richard Hillman · 27-07-2011 12:18pm

I dont trust county councils enough to give them extra money. Its a well known fact that they take on stupid projects at the end of the fiscal year to keep their budget up. There is a housing estate across the road from me getting its roads relaid even though it didnt need it. Im against this tax not because of the idea of it, i am against it because i do not trust the county council to spend it without corruption.

meglome · 27-07-2011 12:19pm

blackdog2 wrote: »

Lots of people saying "Well Ireland is a low tax country etcetc", but the Irish state in all honesty probably offers the lowest level of service I have ever seen. All other countries I have been to offer a far greater level of value for money. Now they are bringing the costs up, while cutting services and charges.

Vote with your feet, leave the godforsaken place. At least then maybe you can live in a nice, safe place. It doesn't look like it will change for the better any time soon.

I dunno there might be a correlation between low tax and poor services. Is it a wonder that countries with the best services also have the highest taxes.

And before anyone eats me I'm not saying our problems are just low taxes, the civil service needs reform badly too.

Dirk Gently · 27-07-2011 12:27pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Im against this tax not because of the idea of it, i am against it because i do not trust the county council to spend it without corruption.

I wouldn't worry, the council is unlikely to see any of it. this is just revenue raising to pay off "our" debt.

spondoolies · 27-07-2011 12:40pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

No need to boycott it, just dont pay it

provided you dont go selling your home no one will come after you

I'm not so sure about that, I know its going to be a self declared tax, similar to the NPPR tax but it will also have a very hefty penalty (percentage-wise) if €10 per month that you are late paying it.
I don't want to pay this tax but the penalty will accumulate very quickly and apparently any outstanding amount is registered as a charge against your house. Also, I believe that €100 is only the thin end of the wedge, it wil be a lot more than this in a few years.

27-07-2011 12:55pm

Minister for the Environment Phil Hogan is now saying he cannot guarantee that the household charge would remain at €100 for the next two years. He wasn't long changing his tune from what he said on the news yesterday evening.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0727/breaking16.html

nice_guy80 · 27-07-2011 1:32pm

I disagree with the introduction of a flat fee household charge for a few reasons:

Those whose houses are worth a lot more should have to pay more, from the outset.

A lot of people will be exempt and so yet again those living off the state will get away with not contributing their share.

More and more it is obvious that it is better not to work or buy your own house but to live off the state welfare, housing schemes, child allowance, single parent allowance and all the other ways you can claim off the state

nice_guy80 · 27-07-2011 1:33pm

also, it is ridiculous that there is no property tax in Ireland.

are we the only western democratic country without one?

rodento · 27-07-2011 1:34pm

Should we give those on social welfare an extra 100 a year to pay it:eek:

alejandro1977 · 27-07-2011 2:44pm

bkeano wrote: »

Hi all Boardies

Can we all please make a stance here and get our non boardies to do the same. Enough is Enough We should not pay this new household Tax. Its the same as the Poll tax in the UK. I am an normal Joe Soap with 2 kids. I cant pay any more Taxes. I can afford it as it is. I am lucky to have my Job.

We need to mount a serious objection here and nationwide.

Just curious:
Who did you vote for in the last 4 elections? Ever vote for FF?

If not: you were so against FF? - Did you ever campaign against FF - the architects of this whole mess? Did you accept the children's allowance/welfare/SSIA that they handed out?

All the bleating won't change the fact that the guilty party in this Bertie and his merry band were wildly popular among the great unwashed during the Celtic Tiger. In a democracy you get the government you deserve. People of Ireland - it's time to eat what you deserve. Get a spoon.

libra02 · 27-07-2011 2:52pm

What I find even more sicking is that the people living on those "ghost estates" being exempt.

So a working person living in on of these estates earning say €50,000 gets away wiht paying it. While an recently unemployed person down the road in a older estate has to try to find the cash to pay this tax upfront.

Surely that is not right. What they should have brought in was a €50-€70 and everyone pays it that way it is kept as low as possible. No waivers ( obviously people in a nursing home that would be factored into the cost by the provider as it is already)

libra02 · 27-07-2011 3:10pm

alejandro1977 wrote: »

Unemployed people/those on SW are exempt.

Nope they are not this is stated in all news reports.

rodento · 27-07-2011 3:34pm

libra02 wrote: »

What I find even more sicking is that the people living on those "ghost estates" being exempt.

Why should they pay if the council's haven't taken the estate in charge :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick · 27-07-2011 5:19pm

Einhard wrote: »

hatpatrick's proposed response: do something, anything, just for the sake of it, to show we have a bit of mettle, then hope to God everything works out all right.

Everyone here knows my proposed response. Let the banking system rot, refuse to put one more cent into it, and when it collapses at long last, design a monetary system which is not controlled by manipulative for-profit institutions.

millhouse11 · 27-07-2011 5:33pm

they cant really send you to jail can they?, no room there as it is, but i suppose if we refuse to pay it, they will get it out of us some other way

Greenmachine · 27-07-2011 5:43pm

Stupid, Stupid tax.
Adjusting Rent relief and morgage interest relief would make more sense.

blackdog2 · 27-07-2011 5:43pm

meglome wrote: »

I dunno there might be a correlation between low tax and poor services. Is it a wonder that countries with the best services also have the highest taxes.

And before anyone eats me I'm not saying our problems are just low taxes, the civil service needs reform badly too.

Yes, but in the majority of countries there is value for money.What I meant is that I wouldn't call Ireland low tax, but it is definitely low service

ei.sdraob · 27-07-2011 5:55pm

Minister for Social Protection (Deputy Joan Burton) wrote:

Rent Supplement expenditure in 2010 was some €516 million. Expenditure up to end April 2011 was some €167 million.

Just thought ill put ^^^ that out here

We spent more in first 4 months of this year on rent supplement than this tax will raise

Maybe about time people write to their representatives and ask as to why they have to pay this tax while highly distortive (to the rent market) subsidies to landlords continue to be paid

nice_guy80 · 27-07-2011 9:01pm

Rent Supplement is keeping people in houses and apartments that they cannot really afford - if it was reduced it would force them to find alternative accomodation (and there is plenty of it out there!!!) and save the taxpayer money

it would also stop landlords being subsidised by the state and force the price of rent down across the country as they would have to look after properties better and price rental property better in order to attract new tenants

I would love to find out if there are landlords out there who are receiving huge sums, through multiple properties from the payment of Rent Allowance to their tenants??? A Parlimentary question would do the trick.

Tim Robbins · 28-07-2011 1:17am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Rent Supplement is keeping people in houses and apartments that they cannot really afford - if it was reduced it would force them to find alternative accomodation (and there is plenty of it out there!!!) and save the taxpayer money

it would also stop landlords being subsidised by the state and force the price of rent down across the country as they would have to look after properties better and price rental property better in order to attract new tenants

I would love to find out if there are landlords out there who are receiving huge sums, through multiple properties from the payment of Rent Allowance to their tenants??? A Parlimentary question would do the trick.

Apparently the revenue are clamping down on landlords not paying tax. But you still gotta wonder how many aren't.

RobitTV · 28-07-2011 1:23am

This Tax is an outrage, and everyone should boycott it

Families Across ireland cant afford to Pay the bill's and put some food on the table.

How in the name of god, does this goverment expect people to pay for this "Tax"??

100 Euro is alot In this "recession era" During the boom 100 euro would be worth nothing.

I Advise everyone to boycott, save some money instead of paying the Goverment!

Also dont forget the water charges Which could be an extra 150 euro, we could be paying An extra 250-300 euro

So in the next 4 Years, If we paid 250 euro for the tax's, we could have spent 1000 euro by 2014-2015, then add another 4-5 years, 2,000, then 3,000, 4,000, 5,000!!!

Boycott it for the sake of saving your money and lifestyle!!

Tim Robbins · 28-07-2011 1:47am

RobitTV wrote: »

This Tax is an outrage, and everyone should boycott it

Families Across ireland cant afford to Pay the bill's and put some food on the table.

How in the name of god, does this goverment expect people to pay for this "Tax"??

100 Euro is alot In this "recession era" During the boom 100 euro would be worth nothing.

I Advise everyone to boycott, save some money instead of paying the Goverment!

Also dont forget the water charges Which could be an extra 150 euro, we could be paying An extra 250-300 euro

So in the next 4 Years, If we paid 250 euro for the tax's, we could have spent 1000 euro by 2014-2015, then add another 4-5 years, 2,000, then 3,000, 4,000, 5,000!!!

Boycott it for the sake of saving your money and lifestyle!!

100 quid a big tax?

If you have a 1.4 Litre car you're paying 400 euro tax.
If you live in an apartment you're paying 1.5 K mgt fees per year.

I think it's cheap.

RobitTV · 28-07-2011 2:00am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

100 quid a big tax?

If you have a 1.4 Litre car you're paying 400 euro tax.
If you live in an apartment you're paying 1.5 K mgt fees per year.

I think it's cheap.

Yeah, But dont we pay enough bill's and tax's?

Do we seriously need another 2, and put poorer families under pressure.

Poorer families dont have Money for bill's dont forget that, They dont get everyday treats and surprise's, They just comfort themselves knowing they have some food to feed their children.

So you should go and tell them that, Tell them its "Cheap" And see what they have to say to that.

meglome · 28-07-2011 2:11am

RobitTV wrote: »

This Tax is an outrage, and everyone should boycott it

Families Across ireland cant afford to Pay the bill's and put some food on the table.

How in the name of god, does this goverment expect people to pay for this "Tax"??

100 Euro is alot In this "recession era" During the boom 100 euro would be worth nothing.

I Advise everyone to boycott, save some money instead of paying the Goverment!

Also dont forget the water charges Which could be an extra 150 euro, we could be paying An extra 250-300 euro

So in the next 4 Years, If we paid 250 euro for the tax's, we could have spent 1000 euro by 2014-2015, then add another 4-5 years, 2,000, then 3,000, 4,000, 5,000!!!

Boycott it for the sake of saving your money and lifestyle!!

Did you read what you posted? are you serious?

I'm very happy to pay this for a number of reasons. 1. My tax bill generally isn't that high. 2. We're broke, it's irrelevant that I didn't have a hand in making us that way - it's done.

Where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for our huge day to day spending deficit?

mikom · 28-07-2011 2:12am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

100 quid a big tax?

If you have a 1.4 Litre car you're paying 400 euro tax.
If you live in an apartment you're paying 1.5 K mgt fees per year.

I think it's cheap.

I presume anyone buying a 1.4 Litre car would be aware of the 400 euro tax before buying.
I presume anyone buying an apartment would be aware of the 1.5 K mgt fees per year.
Or maybe perhaps these started out smaller............ sure whats 200 euro tax on a 1.4 Litre. "I think it's cheap" you may have said a few years back. What would you say now?

I wonder did many buying an apartment factor in a rising property tax?

"I think it's cheap", he says.
The government love folks like you.

RobitTV · 28-07-2011 2:22am

meglome wrote: »

Did you read what you posted? are you serious?

I'm very happy to pay this for a number of reasons. 1. My tax bill generally isn't that high. 2. We're broke, it's irrelevant that I didn't have a hand in making us that way - it's done.

Where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for our huge day to day spending deficit?

The Greedy goverment gets enough bloody tax!

The goverment had enough money, to bail-out the bank's didn't they?

And you totally miss the point, you may have Money, other's dont, Other people have to pay their bill's, which they can just nearly afford, You may have money, but next time think about other people first, before you boast about your excitment of paying your tax's, well done you.

You made me laugh, You are Very happy about paying your tax's, I mean are you A undercover minister?

You must be in your own little world, where everything is great and prosperous. *sighs*

Fulton Crown · 28-07-2011 9:09am

RobitTV wrote: »

The Greedy goverment gets enough bloody tax!

The goverment had enough money, to bail-out the bank's didn't they?

And you totally miss the point, you may have Money, other's dont, Other people have to pay their bill's, which they can just nearly afford, You may have money, but next time think about other people first, before you boast about your excitment of paying your tax's, well done you.

You made me laugh, You are Very happy about paying your tax's, I mean are you A undercover minister?

You must be in your own little world, where everything is great and prosperous. *sighs*

Look pal...your on a looser and you know it.

Do you not realise that as a country we have been bailed out by our European partners.

Part of the condition of this bail out is the introduction of a property tax.

The one question the lefties never answer is what would have happened if we had not got the bail out.

No money to pay Guards/Civil Servants/Teachers/Fire services etc...a run on the banks...empty ATM'S.

The country decends into chaos........enter The Stickies and their fellow travellers......

Exit the Multinationals and anyone with a bit o sense.........

alejandro1977 · 28-07-2011 10:32am

RobitTV wrote: »

The Greedy goverment gets enough bloody tax!

The goverment had enough money, to bail-out the bank's didn't they?

And you totally miss the point, you may have Money, other's dont, Other people have to pay their bill's, which they can just nearly afford, You may have money, but next time think about other people first, before you boast about your excitment of paying your tax's, well done you.

You made me laugh, You are Very happy about paying your tax's, I mean are you A undercover minister?

You must be in your own little world, where everything is great and prosperous. *sighs*

why don't you emigrate to the UK - you'll pay about 1000 in council tax there!
Where's your solution? what do your propose? The banks have nothing to do with it - have you heard about the deficit?

Maybe we should have a tax on grocer's apostrophe's!

That'd put you to the pin of your collar!

gazzer · 28-07-2011 10:49am

alejandro1977 wrote: »

why don't you emigrate to the UK - you'll pay about 1000 in council tax there!Where's your solution? what do your propose? The banks have nothing to do with it - have you heard about the deficit?

Maybe we should have a tax on grocer's apostrophe's! That'd put you to the pin of your collar!

People buying houses in the UK pay very little stamp duty though. 1% on properties up to £250,000. When I bought my house in 2009 I paid €18,000 in stamp duty. I know the stamp duty rates changed in last years budget but up to that point any non first buyers in Ireland where paying huge amounts of stamp duty compared to our UK counterparts.

RobitTV · 28-07-2011 11:29am

alejandro1977 wrote: »

why don't you emigrate to the UK - you'll pay about 1000 in council tax there!
Where's your solution? what do your propose? The banks have nothing to do with it - have you heard about the deficit?

Maybe we should have a tax on grocer's apostrophe's! That'd put you to the pin of your collar!

Why the hell should i pay, for the other people's mistake's?

None of you wont answer this!! - How will the poorer people pay this crap?

You sound like another idiot, who Loves paying their tax's, get a grip my friend, not everyone has money to spear!

get a grip on actual reality! not everyone has money to throw up in the air.

whippet · 28-07-2011 11:55am

RobitTV wrote: »

Why the hell should i pay, for the other people's mistake's?

As a citizen of this country you are part of it's economy, the economy is in the ****ter and as such we all have to pay our part in getting it back on track regardless of who the hell caused the mess.

RobitTV wrote: »

None of you wont answer this!! - How will the poorer people pay this crap?

for years there was a massive number of people who didn't pay a penny in income tax, not those at the top of the pile ... but the circa 40% of PAYE workers earning up to about 30k a year.

The 'Poorer' people as you put it generally don't pay much tax at all and you can be sure that there will be exemptions and plenty of options for people not to pay this.

RobitTV wrote: »

You sound like another idiot, who Loves paying their tax's, get a grip my friend, not everyone has money to spear!

get a grip on actual reality! not everyone has money to throw up in the air.

Nobody likes paying taxes, but rather than being lambasted as an idiot for realizing that everyone must contribute to the nations revenue need .. its an idiot who can't see that the economy is fecked and the only way of bridging the deficit is a mix of increasing taxes and reduction of services.

What people don't realize is that the massive increase in social welfare payments, government spending sprees, benchmarking, bloated civil/public sector, lower taxation and joint labour agreements were all funded by revenue from the property bubble.

With out this celtic tiger property bubble none of the above increases would have happened .. now that the bubble is burst we have to recorrect ourselves.

I get sick of hearing from people 'I didn't get anything from the celtic tiger' .. just about everyone benefited ... the career unemployed had their dole almost doubled, children's allowance jumped, general operatives and laborers were earning huge wages, unemployment was almost nil .. everyone capable or willing to work had a job .......

Now that the fallacy of the property bubble and all it's associated stamp duty, VAT, PAYE etc ... revenue has disappeared we have to go back to reality.

New taxes like this are not really a choice ... when we are 20bn in the hole ever year and nobody will lend us a penny .. the EU/IMF can and will call the shots ....

it's not nice but there is no avoiding it.

Anyway, €100 a year is the price of a packet of fags a month, two pints a month, a burger & chips per month ......

28-07-2011 3:33pm

The rural dwellers who receive a water supply from local authorities but maintain their own septic tanks are going to love this, household tax, water rates, septic tank charge... what will the government think of next, get rid of wages altogether and work for free :rolleyes:

murphaph · 28-07-2011 5:08pm

hellboy99 wrote: »

The rural dwellers who receive a water supply from local authorities but maintain their own septic tanks are going to love this, household tax, water rates, septic tank charge... what will the government think of next, get rid of wages altogether and work for free :rolleyes:

Last time I looked it cost the same amount to send a letter from the arse end of nowhere to the arse end of nowhere as it did to send one inside a large urban area with its own sorting office. Be careful with the urban/rural cost of service provision comparisons

New Household Tax - Boycott

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