10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

davet82 · 20-07-2012 11:40am

seamus wrote: »

While the free availability of military weaponry (tear gas and automatic weapons FFS) is definitely an issue in the U.S., I don't think that incidents like this can be blamed on such.

Fncked up people exist. And sometimes fncked up people do fncked up things. If the U.S. gun laws were tighter, this guy would still have walked in carrying two pistols and shot up the place. OK, the casualities may have been slightly less, but I don't think that it would be any less shocking.

semi-automatic weapons and their availability is the problem imo, like who needs an uzi to go hunting

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 11:41am

timeline of events on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/

Bad Panda · 20-07-2012 11:42am

old hippy wrote: »

Doesn't matter whether you have or haven't read it. You are perpetuating a cycle of violence and bloodlust. You wish pain and violence of the perps.

And you cannot see the irony over fantasising about violence - which is prob exactly what these perps were doing?

While I understand where you're coming from, my own point of view is this:

Yes, basically fantasising about violence is what I/we'd be doing, but it's violence/torture directed at a perpetrator of the heinous pre-meditated murder of men, women and children. Which, makes it OK in my opinion - I realise that maybe wrong, but I don't really care to be honest.

I'll be completely honest, I'm not much of a humanitarian. I think some people deserve to be tortured to the brink of death, again and again, like this guy in question.

Dolbert · 20-07-2012 11:46am

Absolutely horrific. RIP.

splashthecash · 20-07-2012 11:47am

Such a sad story - what is the human race becoming at all?

chin_grin · 20-07-2012 11:49am

davet82 wrote: »

semi-automatic weapons and their availability is the problem imo, like who needs an uzi to go hunting

I think it's a catch twenty two situation. You need guns to defend yourself from the people who have guns, so you get bigger guns and so on.

Unfortunately there are emotionally unstable (very much so) people in the world right now who think the only solution to a problem is to go on a killing spree. What would really frighten me though is what would be going through that persons mind while it was going on? I actually shudder to think.

Believe me I'm not sticking up for the killer, but it's sort of a morbid fascination to want to know the motive(s). Was the person depressed (most likely) and why? Was this calculated (probably...seeing that he knew that there would be a group of people there at a specific time) and why?

//also to all, please reread my previous comments. I've edited them as I don't want to make any enemies on here, thanks.//

ricero · 20-07-2012 11:51am

Really gutted after hearing this story especially since I'm going to the film today. Won't be able to enjoy it now I feel this tragedy will be in the back of my mind

Brendog · 20-07-2012 11:52am

I guarantee its only a matter of time before the American media Fox News claims Banes mask was an influence on the gunmans attire.

drunkmonkey · 20-07-2012 11:54am

ricero wrote: »

Really gutted after hearing this story especially since I'm going to the film today. Won't be able to enjoy it now I feel this tragedy will be in the back of my mind

Don't let that bother you at all, It happened in a different world, carry on regardless, maybe a nod of respect for second but then forget about it.

Basq · 20-07-2012 11:54am

Brendog wrote: »

I guarantee its only a matter of time before the American media Fox News claims Banes mask was an influence on the gunmans attire.

Or the ol' tired "blame it on video games"..

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 11:56am

4:50: mkyweriga: Mall is cleared, floor cleaner released from police custody.

although there was earlier reports of someone else running off

Micky Dolenz · 20-07-2012 12:01pm

danniemcq wrote: »

4:50: mkyweriga: Mall is cleared, floor cleaner released from police custody.

although there was earlier reports of someone else running off

I'd say the confusion after was manic and probably a lot of people were running away.

Be interesting to know the details of his capture, he must have surrendered. Armed killers would be shot on sight surely.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:02pm

Basq wrote: »

Or the ol' tired "blame it on video games"..

yeah one of my mates just blamed video games and drugs.

I asked why i hadn't done anything like this and he says its because i don't have access to guns.

When i told him i had a shotgun, knew how to make napalm and thermite and various other "things" he said to me awww we should do that then.

that was scary.

People will always blame things that aren't themselves. and videogames, music drugs are always and easy target.

20-07-2012 12:04pm

Very sad. How many more spree shootings does America need before they change their gun laws?

Clearly guns are not the only problem, there is a wider societal problem that is creating these disturbed spree-killers. And that needs to be tackled also.

But certainly the availability of guns makes the problem much worse. A hunter or varmint shooter doesnt need semi-auto weapons with 30 round magazines.

Tombi! · 20-07-2012 12:04pm

Bane was created (yes, created) as an attack against Mitt Romey according to Rush Limbaugh.

So yeah, clearly Batman or whoever the fúck the idiot newsreporters think is responsible will be blamed.

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:04pm

President Obama just released a statement.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:07pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'd say the confusion after was manic and probably a lot of people were running away.

Be interesting to know the details of his capture, he must have surrendered. Armed killers would be shot on sight surely.

fingers crossed.

yeah its usually a shoot on sight unless there was a fear that there was another and they needed information from him (bomb in building) and now it turns out he claims his apartment is rigged so seems to have worked out for the cops thankfully.

Heck perhaps with the weapons the cops had (small mp5's possibly as there was a chance of civilians nearby) they would not have gone through his body armor and possibly wounded him enough to put him down.

It might explain why he mentioned the apartment as if he was in a crazy amount of pain he coulda been rambling or more easily "persuaded" to admit things

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:10pm

The youngest victim is a 3 month old!

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:11pm

Denver post just reported that the youngest victim one of the hospitals has is three months old.....

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:11pm

To be fair.. and I'm sympathetic.. but who would bring a 3 month old to a cinema showing at midnight?

seamus · 20-07-2012 12:14pm

Basq wrote: »

To be fair.. and I'm sympathetic.. but who would bring a 3 month old to a cinema showing at midnight?

Someone who really wanted to see the movie?

The child is probably still breastfeeding. Mother wanted to see the movie, had to bring the child.

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me tbh. Heartbreaking for her though.

Brendog · 20-07-2012 12:15pm

Basq wrote: »

To be fair.. and I'm sympathetic.. but who would bring a 3 month old to a cinema showing at midnight?

I was just thinking that!

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:15pm

Basq wrote: »

To be fair.. and I'm sympathetic.. but who would bring a 3 month old to a cinema showing at midnight?

I know sounds completely weird, just why.

Here is the Denver Post tweet

youngest patient at UHosp is 3 months yes months 20 victims there 9 critical, all gunshot wounds #theatershooting

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:16pm

University Hospital just confirmed that they have a 3 month old patient, so it's true:(

New video footage:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21116980/raw-video-theatergoers-flee-scene-aurora-shooting

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:16pm

seamus wrote: »

Someone who really wanted to see the movie?

The child is probably still breastfeeding. Mother wanted to see the movie, had to bring the child.

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me tbh. Heartbreaking for her though.

Ummm no - she didn't!

Seriously... that doesn't seem unreasonable to you!

Wacker The Attacker · 20-07-2012 12:17pm

This didnt happen in Supermans heyday. Hell no

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:17pm

splashthecash wrote: »

Such a sad story - what is the human race becoming at all?

See the posts condoning slow torture and/or death for the perps. That should give you a clear idea.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:17pm

Bomb squad finished with the car but are checking on 2 backpacks

Brendog · 20-07-2012 12:18pm

Now they are treating victims for chemical attacks.

What the ****

20-07-2012 12:19pm

Just listening to the scanner over there, they are examining two back packs,

'keep people away until they are finished with the back packs.'

Bloody hell, its going to be a long night for them.

Waiting for DECON as well to decontaminate police cars.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:20pm

old hippy wrote: »

See the posts condoning slow torture and/or death for the perps. That should give you a clear idea.

There is a diffence.

People that were murdered today commited no crime or did not do anything to bring this on themselves.

The scum to walked the aisles shooting people at random not caring if they were man woman or child have given up any claims they had for human rights. They passed on that when they stopped being huiman.

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:21pm

kfallon wrote: »

Again, your solution to the problem?

Tighten up gun control. Life sentence meaning life with no chance of parole in these situations. And tackle root problems of social ostracisation and bullying which often (though not necessarily in this case) lead to people being so remote from reality that they carry out such atrocities.

Slavering over retribution and more bloodletting and satisfying knee jerk, populist urges is counter productive and brings you down closer to the level of the perp or perps.

seamus · 20-07-2012 12:21pm

Basq wrote: »

Ummm no - she didn't!

Seriously... that doesn't seem unreasonable to you!

If she's breastfeeding, she needs to bring the child so it can be fed. I don't really see the issue with bringing a 3 month old to a cinema (assuming it doesn't make noise). It's not like the child is aware of what's going on.

Breastfeeding mothers usually have some formula for the child in an emergency, i.e. "I'm not going to make it home for five hours and the baby needs to be fed". This wouldn't be an emergency. What's unreasonable about bringing a baby to the cinema?

Wibbs · 20-07-2012 12:23pm

Brendog wrote: »

Now they are treating victims for chemical attacks.

What the ****

Tear gas.

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:23pm

danniemcq wrote: »

There is a diffence.

People that were murdered today commited no crime or did not do anything to bring this on themselves.

The scum to walked the aisles shooting people at random not caring if they were man woman or child have given up any claims they had for human rights. They passed on that when they stopped being huiman.

And by fantasising about brutal retribution in order to satisfy some collective bloodlust is a right as well, is it? A perfectly acceptable human solution?

20-07-2012 12:23pm

seamus wrote: »

If she's breastfeeding, she needs to bring the child so it can be fed. I don't really see the issue with bringing a 3 month old to a cinema (assuming it doesn't make noise). It's not like the child is aware of what's going on.

Breastfeeding mothers usually have some formula for the child in an emergency, i.e. "I'm not going to make it home for five hours and the baby needs to be fed". This wouldn't be an emergency. What's unreasonable about bringing a baby to the cinema?

Would the volume of the movie not be a bit high for a baby? I don't really know, but if i sometimes find it uncomfy would they not

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:25pm

seamus wrote: »

I don't really see the issue with bringing a 3 month old to a cinema (assuming it doesn't make noise). It's not like the child is aware of what's going on.

The opening night with an excited crowd and explosion-filled blockbuster...

.. if her priorities are with going to see a movie at midnight on opening night and not her child's well-being .. I can't help but feel a little sad about that!

20-07-2012 12:26pm

wow watching this now on sky news live wtf happened ? some guy killed people at the new batman movie

Micky Dolenz · 20-07-2012 12:27pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Would the volume of the movie not be a bit high for a baby? I don't really know, but if i sometimes find it uncomfy would they not

Baby ear muffs maybe. You'd see them a lot at concerts and festivals.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:28pm

Brendog wrote: »

Now they are treating victims for chemical attacks.

What the ****

chemical attacks could be the tear gas

stephendevlin · 20-07-2012 12:29pm

As long as Americans vote to keep guns then they must acccept the risk they or their children will be murdered by guns

20-07-2012 12:29pm

can anyone sum up what happened ? please so i dnt have to read 14 pages am shocked watching live on sky news

smash · 20-07-2012 12:29pm

Here we go... an analyst on sky news says that these kind of dark films attract people with a dark outlook. :rolleyes:

davet82 · 20-07-2012 12:30pm

stephendevlin wrote: »

As long as Americans vote to keep guns then they must acccept the risk they or their children will be murdered by guns

when is the last time they got to vote on it though? (idk honest question)

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

can anyone sum up what happened ? please so i dnt have to read 14 pages am shocked watching live on sky news

Just look up any news site.. BBC, Sky News etc.

G_R · 20-07-2012 12:30pm

You'd kinda wonder what sort of frame of mind someone has to be in to do something like that.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:31pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Baby ear muffs maybe. You'd see them a lot at concerts and festivals.

think everyone else in the cinema might need a pair if the baby starts crying. and it wouldn't just be the sound but the movie is gonna be fairly dark and suddenly the whole screen lights up in an explosion and the speakers rock and shake the chair.

I know this topic is dragging the thread off topic but it was also midmight over there, should baby not have been in bed?

Lumbo · 20-07-2012 12:32pm

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

You'd kinda wonder what sort of frame of mind someone has to be in to do something like that.

According to analyst on sky news.

A dark one :rolleyes:

20-07-2012 12:32pm

smash wrote: »

Here we go... an analyst on sky news says that these kind of dark films attract people with a dark outlook. :rolleyes:

:D:D:D no no no thats video games your talking about

JP Liz V1 · 20-07-2012 12:33pm

14 dead now :eek:

10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

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