Kerry GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post #4167

premierstone · 27-07-2012 1:04pm

Had to laugh at he's go at O'Sullivan for sniggering at him after ''getting me sent off'', correction Barry nobody got you sent off only yourself!

wonga77 · 27-07-2012 2:01pm

If you hit a sly dig into a fells back when he's not looking then you have to be prepared to be punished for it. If your stupid enough to do it in front of the ref then you can definately have no complaints

DDC1990 · 27-07-2012 4:18pm

premierstone wrote: »

Had to laugh at he's go at O'Sullivan for sniggering at him after ''getting me sent off'', correction Barry nobody got you sent off only yourself!

I know he throws a good jab but he's Brian not Barry :P :P :P

Nonesense from McGuigan, and if the lads did ignore him on their trip, then maybe it was down to McGuigan himself rather then the Gooch and Declan.

Anytime I've met them, they have always been friendly, Gooch sorted out my Internet banking for example :P

Anyway, if im away on holidays, with someone I don't like, Im not going to act all buddy buddy with him just for his sake.
Have to laugh at the uproar over the sending off. The fact that the game was a physical one does not excuse McGuigan from throwing an elbow into Declan's back. His face as he was going into strike leaves me in no doubt that he wanted to hurt Declan, and he has no one to blame but himself.

As for Declan laughing at him, from what I could see he was still face down getting treatment as McGuigan was walking off, but there was 26,000 Kerry fans doing enough laughing for him.

Pity he couldn't conduct himself like Mulligan, who took his beating, and stayed around after the game, wearing a Kerry jersey signing autographs.

premierstone · 27-07-2012 5:03pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

I know he throws a good jab but he's Brian not Barry :P :P :P

LOL rookie mistake

wonga77 · 27-07-2012 9:52pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc&feature=player_embedded

Saw this today, had totally forgot about it,
Now thats what you call a proper dive :rolleyes:

ollaetta · 27-07-2012 10:07pm

wonga77 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc&feature=player_embedded

Saw this today, had totally forgot about it,
Now thats what you call a proper dive :rolleyes:

Chronic example alright. Not one for Mr. Canavan to be exactly proud of.
The instant recovery when the card came out was worthy of Lazarus.

kerryted · 28-07-2012 12:11am

Anyone worried about Clare, I was there in 92 in Limerick, that was a day that i will never forget, Jacko standing out in the middle of the park ,that was his last game for Kerry, on another note watched the 79 final on TG4 KerryV Dublin, the amount of misplaced passes and turn overs were unreal on both sides but saying that the backs were backs back than ,Catch it and hoof it, get it out here, as hard as nails , the Horse was salvage in that game.

DDC1990 · 29-07-2012 1:51pm

Raging. So stupid of Galvin.

I know it was 2 Yellows, and he won't miss the next game, but how can a guy like Paul keep falling for the same auld shíte. Same guy who Paul got sent off against for the famous Slapping the Book incident, John Hayes. Galvin was clean and played his game, but all changed in 2 minutes of madness. Galvin was on the ground, and something was said or done, because he stood up, and hit John Hayes in the back with a sneaky dig. He then ran after Hayes and hit him a shoulder off the ball. Then he hammered into the Clare number 5 after he had handpassed the ball away, which he was later booked for. He kept chasing Hayes, and was clearly raging.
Clare got a free, and Jakc had 2 subs waiting on the sideline. The referee came back and booked Galvin for the hit on number 5, and everyone called for him to be taken off there and then. Jack had plenty of time to make the sub but, instead stuck to his guns and took off Donnacha and Declan.

Clare put the ball over the bar, and from the next kickout, Hayes won the break. Galvin swung high for him and caught him no the chin with a forearm. The Clare crowd were so downtrodden by the 15 point deficit at the time, they barely shouted for him to be sent off. all you could hear was groans from the Kerry crowd, and the odd, "You fúcking eejit Galvin" been thown out from the crowd.

The first yellow was flashed quickly before the red was produced which eased some peoples fears, but Paul wasn't finished, rushing back into the crowd of players to have a go at another player. Some people clapped him off for his (up to that point) fine performance, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. This man has it tough no doubt, but acting the díck like he did last night, at a stage when Kerry were cruising, playing lovely football and 15 points up is madness. If he wasn't so good, I'd drop him altogether, beacuse in a tight game in Croke Park, when the chips are down, a moment of madness like that will cost you an All Ireland. No one to blame only himself.

He acted like a child throwing a tantrum last night, and I really don't like seeing that from anyone representing Kerry. I cannot fathom what could have been said or done, that Tyrone wouldn't have done the week before, where he played the majority of the game on a yellow, without acting the díck. Obviously there is history between himself and John Hayes, but keep that off the field.

Happy enough with the Draw. Donegal, Cork, Dublin (more then likely) to win an All Ireland is an awful big task, but to be the best you have got to beat the best. If we win an All Ireland this year, we will be well worth it.

Stinicker · 29-07-2012 2:10pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Raging. So stupid of Galvin.

I know it was 2 Yellows, and he won't miss the next game, but how can a guy like Paul keep falling for the same auld shíte. Same guy who Paul got sent off against for the famous Slapping the Book incident, John Hayes. Galvin was clean and played his game, but all changed in 2 minutes of madness. Galvin was on the ground, and something was said or done, because he stood up, and hit John Hayes in the back with a sneaky dig. He then ran after Hayes and hit him a shoulder off the ball. Then he hammered into the Clare number 5 after he had handpassed the ball away, which he was later booked for. He kept chasing Hayes, and was clearly raging.
Clare got a free, and Jakc had 2 subs waiting on the sideline. The referee came back and booked Galvin for the hit on number 5, and everyone called for him to be taken off there and then. Jack had plenty of time to make the sub but, instead stuck to his guns and took off Donnacha and Declan.

Clare put the ball over the bar, and from the next kickout, Hayes won the break. Galvin swung high for him and caught him no the chin with a forearm. The Clare crowd were so downtrodden by the 15 point deficit at the time, they barely shouted for him to be sent off. all you could hear was groans from the Kerry crowd, and the odd, "You fúcking eejit Galvin" been thown out from the crowd.

The first yellow was flashed quickly before the red was produced which eased some peoples fears, but Paul wasn't finished, rushing back into the crowd of players to have a go at another player. Some people clapped him off for his (up to that point) fine performance, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. This man has it tough no doubt, but acting the díck like he did last night, at a stage when Kerry were cruising, playing lovely football and 15 points up is madness. If he wasn't so good, I'd drop him altogether, beacuse in a tight game in Croke Park, when the chips are down, a moment of madness like that will cost you an All Ireland. No one to blame only himself.

He acted like a child throwing a tantrum last night, and I really don't like seeing that from anyone representing Kerry. I cannot fathom what could have been said or done, that Tyrone wouldn't have done the week before, where he played the majority of the game on a yellow, without acting the díck. Obviously there is history between himself and John Hayes, but keep that off the field.

Happy enough with the Draw. Donegal, Cork, Dublin (more then likely) to win an All Ireland is an awful big task, but to be the best you have got to beat the best. If we win an All Ireland this year, we will be well worth it.

We all know what Paul Galvin can do and he can drop you to 14 in a blink of an eyelid. However I blame Jack O'Connor and the bench for yesterday evenings debacle, Kerry were 15 points up and the very second Galvin got his 1st Yellow he should have been pulled ashore. Jack O'Connor is to blame for this. Kerry were always in control and it was a game where the bench should have been emptied after 5mins of the second half and let the subs have their slice of the action. We are very lucky it was a second yellow Galvin got and if something similar happens the next day against Donegal he must be pulled ashore unless Kerry are losing and it is late in the second half etc. where it is a case of throw the kitchen sink at them.

We must have our eye firmly on Cork and Dublin and avoid getting dragged into simple confrontations with useless teams like Clare who are more interested in stirring trouble than playing ball. Jack must reign in Galvin and if he is booked swap him out as he will be badly needed for a potential semi-final against Cork and a final should Kerry make it that far.

Galvin is only one man, the team winning is what's important and to hell with Galvin's ego and it is up to the Kerry bench to control him before a referee does.

DDC1990 · 29-07-2012 2:24pm

I'd disagree with the Clare stirring ****e comment. They played a very clean game, didn't foul us off the ball at all. It was just down to the personal shít between Galvin and Hayes.

Also while Jack should have pulled him, the blame lies with Galvin. No one makes you clock a guy around the head. Idiotic.

Stinicker · 29-07-2012 4:31pm

There was alot of cynical fouling by Clare and Galvin got one or two cracks of elbows and fists and he never reacted to them. The referee wasn't interested due to Kerry's massive lead and add that to Galvin's history with Clare something was bound to ignite and Jacko should have taken him off to avoid it. I was in the uncovered stand and there was some cynical play which may not have been so obvious from the main stand. The Clare footballing team are an aggressive bunch and we have seen burst ups before between them and Kerry. They even caused chaos with Cork last year with one of the Clare players getting a straight red. Clare are the most Cynical football team in Munster if you discount the way Eoin Cadogan and Noel O'Leary drag the rest of the predominately clean Cork team into the mud.

manster · 29-07-2012 9:10pm

Bookies have Kerry favorites for quarter final. Have to agree with this. Donegal are in transition still and haven't beaten anyone of note. 2 Ulster titles in 2 years aside, the quality of opposition in Ulster has decreased in recent years. Kerry now have a settled team and are playing some of their best football since 2010. Putting my head on the block - Kerry by 6 points.

D'Agger · 29-07-2012 9:31pm

6 point margin against a team as tactically strong and defensively well set up as Donegal is a bit on the wild side I think

Can only see a point or two being in it myself

DDC1990 · 01-08-2012 11:33am

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/why-we-should-ignore-pundits-like-joe-brolly-202562.html

Why we should ignore pundits like Joe Brolly
By Kieran Shannon

Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Reading or listening to what passes for most GAA commentary these days, you sometimes wonder why they bother, those brave souls-poor eejits that coach or play inter-county football.

For five straight years Kieran McGeeney has guided Kildare to the All-Ireland series when in the seven seasons before him Kildare hadn’t even made it even once, yet a line of commentators label his team "underachievers" and ask where’s the silverware.

Maybe Kildare are only the fifth or sixth best team in the country, but what’s the shame in that? It seems to be lost on a lot of GAA pundits and writers sceptical of Kildare that they themselves aren’t among the top five nationally in their own profession either.

We call it "Ah but" syndrome. Any achievement a team pulls off can be dismissed by an "Ah but" or a "But sure". Usually it’s in relation to their calibre or list of defeated opponents. "But sure they’ve beaten nobody." Go through this year’s All-Ireland quarter-finalists and it could be levelled at nearly all of them, except Cork, but sure that was only in the Munster championship.

There’s one thing being a critic and another being a cynic. And The Sunday Game resident panellists are the worst offenders of belittling people without whom they wouldn’t have anyone to get paid to commentate about.

Whereas their hurling counterparts Liam Sheedy and Cyril Farrell can observe and enjoy a match between two non-contenders like Wexford and Offaly on its own merits, the triumvirate of Brolly, Spillane and O’Rourke spent the early summer belittling or berating the honest efforts of Division Three teams like Wexford, Longford and Tipperary.

O’Rourke, Brolly and Spillane each in their own right still have a lot to offer GAA punditry but you can’t keep having two or more of them on at once without either a younger, more informed panellist (Dara Ó Cinnéide and Anthony Tohill are sorely missed) or a stronger, more informed anchor.

Last Sunday night was a nadir. While Michael Lyster projected his scepticism of Joe Brolly’s skewed and selective argument on the merits of Kerry, we’d prefer if it had been in the way of facts rather than rolling his eyes.

Brolly’s attack on Kerry and Colm Cooper was the ultimate in "Ah but" punditry. He’s gone close before. All last summer he dismissed every Dublin team of the last 25 years as "chokers". His reservations of Cork are well documented. But the way he downplayed the six All-Irelands Kerry have won over the last 15 years was pathetic.

According to Joe, "on all occasions — this is just a simple fact of life — whenever a team stands and stares them in the face for 70 minutes, Kerry have looked down… I have yet to see this Kerry team win in the face of adversity."

Yes, you have, Joe, if you care to remember. Twice against Armagh in 2000 and again when the counties met in the 2006 All-Ireland quarter-final — call it that year’s final if you want, since you’re so dismissive of Mayo. How can you forget all three days when your beloved Crossmaglen were well represented?

You can’t just judiciously pick last year’s All-Ireland final against Dublin and then forget about Kerry’s victory over the same county in a 2007 All Ireland semi-final that was almost as epic as Derry’s 1993 semi-final win over the Dubs, the game which forged much of your own reputation as a player.

They "faced adversity" against Galway in 2000 and 2008 and triumphed. And when they met proper Cork teams in 2008 and 2009 and in Munster in 2010 and 2011, Kerry, thanks in no small part to Cooper, carved out a way.

Joe can’t keep dismissing Kerry’s 2004 triumph either on the basis that they only beat Mayo; didn’t that the same Mayo beat the mighty Tyrone?

Everyone has "choked’’, Joe. Tyrone in 2004 and 2007 when Mayo and Meath put it up to them. Peter "The Great" got himself suspended in 1997 and sent off in 2001. Mikey Sheehy couldn’t kick a free in Killarney in 1987 a week after conjuring up that last-minute goal down by the Lee.

Maybe it was Joe, in trying to break into TV, who behind the scenes put together that famous "Pele was crap" sequence for Baddiel and Skinner on Fantasy Football.

Maybe Kerry might lose to Donegal next weekend. If they do, it’ll be just like when Tyrone met a hungrier, younger team in Cork in 2009, not because they lacked any bottle.

Everyone loses now and again, even Kerry.

Champions make their setbacks temporary and their victories permanent. Critics prefer to make their victories temporary and their setbacks permanent.

The trick for champions is to ignore the latter.

Maybe we all should until the likes of Joe wise up.

Saw this posted on the Kerry Gaa Forum, and thought I'd share it here. Great piece of writing, and a far better rebuttal then Pat could manage on Sunday. I was trying to make a similar point on a different thread, but obviously could put it as eloquantly as Shanahan did.

duchalla · 01-08-2012 11:36am

Excellent article, says it all really.

teednab-el · 01-08-2012 3:09pm

duchalla wrote: »

Excellent article, says it all really.

I don't think any player should be criticised that makes inter county standard of football and especially great players like Colm Cooper. By right Cooper should be criticising Brolly in his underachievements with his so called mighty Derry team of 1993.

teednab-el · 01-08-2012 3:13pm

Stinicker wrote: »

There was alot of cynical fouling by Clare and Galvin got one or two cracks of elbows and fists and he never reacted to them. The referee wasn't interested due to Kerry's massive lead and add that to Galvin's history with Clare something was bound to ignite and Jacko should have taken him off to avoid it. I was in the uncovered stand and there was some cynical play which may not have been so obvious from the main stand. The Clare footballing team are an aggressive bunch and we have seen burst ups before between them and Kerry. They even caused chaos with Cork last year with one of the Clare players getting a straight red. Clare are the most Cynical football team in Munster if you discount the way Eoin Cadogan and Noel O'Leary drag the rest of the predominately clean Cork team into the mud.

You are right about Cadogan and he needs to cop on a bit. In fairness Noel O Leary gives 100% on the field and only gives it when he gets it and that has been many time against Galvin.

los cules · 01-08-2012 10:52pm

i really fancy kerry to win with a bit to spare , donegal are been very hyped up , kerry have better footballers and will win by 4 - 6 points..

D'Agger · 02-08-2012 11:06am

teednab-el wrote: »

You are right about Cadogan and he needs to cop on a bit. In fairness Noel O Leary gives 100% on the field and only gives it when he gets it and that has been many time against Galvin.

Personally I don't mind O'Leary - himself and Galvin seem like two fellas who give it all but have a tendency to see red and go a bit wild.

Cadogan is a straight up WUM though from what I've seen of him

premierstone · 02-08-2012 1:48pm

Sorry on the phone so cant post a link but there is an article in today's examiner backing uo the opinion that both Gooch and Kerry are chokers, thought you guys might find it interesting!

keane2097 · 02-08-2012 1:58pm

Had a look there but didn't see anything on the website.

elguapo · 02-08-2012 3:04pm

This 'Kerry are chokers' thing was annoying me, so I searched the old memory banks and came up with a list of games since 2004 where, in my opinion, Kerry were in 'tight' championship matches, excluding draws.

I put this in the "Sunday Game Pundits" thread, but figured it might be useful here too. I'm open to correction if there are any mistakes.

2004 - Limerick - Win

2005 - Cork (Munster Final) - Win
Tyrone - Loss

2006 - Armagh (an 8 point win, but tight until the 65th minute)

2007 - Cork (Munster Final) Win
Monaghan - Win
Dublin - Win

2008 - Cork (Munster final) - Loss
Monaghan - Win
Galway - Win
Cork (AI Semi Final) - Win
Tyrone - Loss

2009 - Longford - Win
Sligo - Win
Antrim - Win
Cork (AI Final) - Win

2010 - Cork (Munster semi final) - Win
Limerick - Win

2011 - Cork (Munster final) - Win
Dublin - Loss

2012 - Cork (Munster Semi final) - Loss
Westmeath - Win

That makes 17 wins and 5 losses, and closes the book on the 'choker' argument as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully we can add Donegal to the list of games won on Sunday evening

keane2097 · 02-08-2012 3:24pm

Or that we can't because we hockied them! Unlikely but would make the Monday papers some treat to read for a change.

Stoner · 02-08-2012 4:36pm

elguapo wrote: »

That makes 17 wins and 5 losses, and closes the book on the 'choker' argument as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully we can add Donegal to the list of games won on Sunday evening

What about 2010? think you need to write another result Down.

keane2097 · 02-08-2012 4:40pm

Stoner wrote: »

What about 2010? think you need to write another result Down.

Sure we were well beaten in that game, seems at this stage we are just tallying up every game Kerry have ever lost and comparing it to a cherry picked subset of the games we've won.

Superb analysis this stuff.

Stoner · 02-08-2012 4:43pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Sure we were well beaten in that game, seems at this stage we are just tallying up every game Kerry have ever lost and comparing it to a cherry picked subset of the games we've won.

Superb analysis this stuff.

it was a foolish way of delivering a point though, regardless if it was valid or not, it does not reflect well on Brolly at all.

premierstone · 02-08-2012 5:07pm

Stoner wrote: »

it was a foolish way of delivering a point though, regardless if it was valid or not, it does not reflect well on Brolly at all.

Everytime Joe's lips move it does not reflect well on Joe!

Fr Tod Umptious · 02-08-2012 5:14pm

elguapo wrote: »

This 'Kerry are chokers' thing was annoying me, so I searched the old memory banks and came up with a list of games since 2004 where, in my opinion, Kerry were in 'tight' championship matches, excluding draws.

I put this in the "Sunday Game Pundits" thread, but figured it might be useful here too. I'm open to correction if there are any mistakes.

2004 - Limerick - Win

2005 - Cork (Munster Final) - Win
Tyrone - Loss

2006 - Armagh (an 8 point win, but tight until the 65th minute)

2007 - Cork (Munster Final) Win
Monaghan - Win
Dublin - Win

2008 - Cork (Munster final) - Loss
Monaghan - Win
Galway - Win
Cork (AI Semi Final) - Win
Tyrone - Loss

2009 - Longford - Win
Sligo - Win
Antrim - Win
Cork (AI Final) - Win

2010 - Cork (Munster semi final) - Win
Limerick - Win

2011 - Cork (Munster final) - Win
Dublin - Loss

2012 - Cork (Munster Semi final) - Loss
Westmeath - Win

That makes 17 wins and 5 losses, and closes the book on the 'choker' argument as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully we can add Donegal to the list of games won on Sunday evening

2006 - Armagh (an 8 point win, but tight until the 65th minute)
Well over by the 65th minute, it was over once Bellew was on a yellow

2008 - Monaghan - Win
Kerry were never in doubt, not like 2007.

Cork (AI Semi Final) - Win
Kerry were cruising but gave away a few soft goals at the very very end.
Cork never really 'put it up to them'.
Plus Killain Young missed a score-able chance after Cork had levelled it from the Cusack stand side kicking into the canal goal.

2009 Antrim - Win
Another that was not really in doubt
The Sligo game that year was the only one were Kerry were really at risk of loosing

2010 - Limerick - Win
A late surge by Limerick put a gloss on the score line, no way was the game on the line like it was back on 2004.

But the point still stands that Kerry have failed to win an All Ireland final when it has been put up to them late in the game.

elguapo · 02-08-2012 5:58pm

2006 - Armagh (an 8 point win, but tight until the 65th minute)
Well over by the 65th minute, it was over once Bellew was on a yellow. I was at that game, it was very much in doubt until Darran O Sullivan's goal.

2008 - Monaghan - Win
Kerry were never in doubt, not like 2007. Game was level with 15 minutes to go, and i was never comfortable.

Cork (AI Semi Final) - Win
Kerry were cruising but gave away a few soft goals at the very very end.
Cork never really 'put it up to them'.
Plus Killain Young missed a score-able chance after Cork had levelled it from the Cusack stand side kicking into the canal goal. You're thinking of the drawn game, in the replay Cork came from 9 points down to draw level with 5 minutes to go. Gooch then scored a goal and Kerry won by 4.

2009 Antrim - Win
Another that was not really in doubt Game was level with 10 minutes to go.
The Sligo game that year was the only one were Kerry were really at risk of loosing

2010 - Limerick - Win
A late surge by Limerick put a gloss on the score line, no way was the game on the line like it was back on 2004. Limerick came from 7 points down to level the game with 10 minutes go, Kerry won by 3.

But the point still stands that Kerry have failed to win an All Ireland final when it has been put up to them late in the game. That's fair enough, just shows the quality of Tyrone, particularly in 2005, Kerry actually did well to only lose by 3 points that day. Last year was definitely one Kerry left slip away.

DDC1990 · 02-08-2012 9:38pm

Word is that there is no Changes for Sunday.

Delighted if true. Work around the county about Dropping Donnacha for Darren, which would be suicide.

Donnacha is a hard working, vital cog in this Kerry team. He was sorely missed in the begining of the year, and when he is there, our forwards work better.

He tracks back, enabling Declan to stay forward. Darren is superb going forward, but doesn't do the work going back early in the game. When the game opens up in the second half, Darren is a brilliant player to come off the bench, and is a bigger attacking threat then Donnacha, but I think Donnacha deserves the chance to run his bollix off for 40 minutes, and let Darren loose on the open spaces in Croke Park for the last 30.

EDIT: Just as Confirmation, no changes:

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)
3. Aidan O’Mahony (Rathmore), 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Killian Young (Renard)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary’s) 10. Paul Galvin (Finuge)
11. Declan O’Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane) 13. James O’Donoghue, (Killarney Legion)
14. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) 15. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) .

The Substitutes are as follows:
16. Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17. Brian Maguire (Listowel Emmet’s)
18. Darran O’Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 19. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
20. Kieran O’Leary (Dr Crokes) 21. Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes)
22. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 23. Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion)
24. Seamus Scanlon (Currow) 25. Barry John Keane (Kerins O’Rahilly’s)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 27. Michael Geaney (Daingean Uí Chúis)

Bainisteóir: Jack O'Connor (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Traenálaí: Alan O'Sullivan (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Roghnóirí: Ger O'Keeffe (Austin Stacks) Diarmuid Ó Murchú (Daingean Uí Chúis) and Eamon Fitzmaurice (Finuge)

68Murph68 · 03-08-2012 7:39am

DDC1990 wrote: »

Word is that there is no Changes for Sunday.

Delighted if true. Work around the county about Dropping Donnacha for Darren, which would be suicide.

Donnacha is a hard working, vital cog in this Kerry team. He was sorely missed in the begining of the year, and when he is there, our forwards work better.

He tracks back, enabling Declan to stay forward. Darren is superb going forward, but doesn't do the work going back early in the game. When the game opens up in the second half, Darren is a brilliant player to come off the bench, and is a bigger attacking threat then Donnacha, but I think Donnacha deserves the chance to run his bollix off for 40 minutes, and let Darren loose on the open spaces in Croke Park for the last 30.

EDIT: Just as Confirmation, no changes:

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)
3. Aidan O’Mahony (Rathmore), 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Killian Young (Renard)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary’s) 10. Paul Galvin (Finuge)
11. Declan O’Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane) 13. James O’Donoghue, (Killarney Legion)
14. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) 15. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) .

The Substitutes are as follows:
16. Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17. Brian Maguire (Listowel Emmet’s)
18. Darran O’Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 19. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
20. Kieran O’Leary (Dr Crokes) 21. Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes)
22. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 23. Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion)
24. Seamus Scanlon (Currow) 25. Barry John Keane (Kerins O’Rahilly’s)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 27. Michael Geaney (Daingean Uí Chúis)

Bainisteóir: Jack O'Connor (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Traenálaí: Alan O'Sullivan (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Roghnóirí: Ger O'Keeffe (Austin Stacks) Diarmuid Ó Murchú (Daingean Uí Chúis) and Eamon Fitzmaurice (Finuge)

Just looking at the subs listed there was noticeable how young the subs are overall. Scanlon at 32 is really an exception. The ages might not be 100% spot on but should be pretty accurate. Overall there is a lot of quality there for the future.

16. Brian Kelly 22
17. Brian Maguire 23
18. Darran O’Sullivan 26
19. Peter Crowley 24
20. Kieran O’Leary 26
21. Johnny Buckley 24
22. Patrick Curtin 24
23. Jonathan Lyne 24
24. Seamus Scanlon 32
25. Barry John Keane 24
26. Fionn Fitzgerald 23
27. Michael Geaney 24

Agree on Donnacha starting as I would expect his work-rate to be a big asset on Sunday.

One thing I think has been overlooked has been how well the Kerry defence has been doing in the Championship.

Conceeded 10 points to Tipp, 17 to Cork, 1-6 to Tyrone and 1-6 to Clare.

Really find it hard to see a situation where Donegal score anything like they have in their games to date.

Scoring 1-16 again Cavan, 2-13 against Derry and 2-18 against Down is one thing. Kerry's defence is a whole different kettle of fish compared to the defences Donegal have faced before and I reckon it is far more likely to score something along the lines of the 10 points they scored against Tyrone. Unless Kerry's forwards seriously misfire I find it very hard to see a situation where Kerry don't come out ahead.

Bit of a nuisance with the minors playing at 12.

wonga77 · 03-08-2012 8:45am

Real bad planning by the gaa, why not have the game on earlier and side by side with the minors? Instead the two counties with the furthest to travel get the latest game on a bank holiday sunday

homerjay2005 · 03-08-2012 9:46am

Scanlon is only turning 30 this year.

keane2097 · 03-08-2012 10:48am

Barry John is only 22 as well.

jupiterjack · 05-08-2012 1:52pm

great win for the minors..

BERBA · 05-08-2012 6:24pm

Don't worry lads , we'll sort Donegal for ye in the semi final.

teednab-el · 05-08-2012 6:34pm

There is a search party sent out for Stinicker, anyone see him?

YoungTrouble · 05-08-2012 6:44pm

Very sad to hear there was an altercation between some Kerry supporters and Curtin after the match.Kerry fans should back him no matter what.

teednab-el · 05-08-2012 6:46pm

YoungTrouble wrote: »

Very sad to hear there was an altercation between some Kerry supporters and Curtin after the match.Kerry fans should back him no matter what.

What happened?

RealityCheck · 05-08-2012 6:57pm

A rebuild job required. New manager with new ideas and players and Kerry will be in an All Ireland Final within a year or two.

mystic86 · 05-08-2012 7:02pm

RealityCheck wrote: »

A rebuild job required.

What an appropriate username you have.

JFlah · 05-08-2012 8:57pm

We have to face up to it football is changing and has changed , tactics , physicality , power , work ethic all coming to the fore , things that unfortunately we in Kerry seem to have neglected to a fairly large degree and imo are in serious danger of being left a little behind over the next few years. Sad as it may be out-playing a team football wise when it comes to the top sides is often not enough anymore , you need to out-think, overpower outwork and out-fight them as well . On reflection beating Tyrone so handily was VERY bad for Kerry , I think it gave a false sense of everything being ok again , which as seen today it clearly was not.
Hopefully a proper rebuilding phase will commence asap with more emphasis on the more modern aspects of the game while trying to keep at least some of our traditional style and panache.
Today was probably it for quite a few but not all of the greatest servants of Kerry football and it was great to see them go down battling and with their pride intact .. it will be a long time before we see their likes again and it has been a pleasure!

ShamoBuc · 05-08-2012 9:37pm

I really want to quote a 'certain' Kerry poster, but there really is no point as most reasonable posters already knew that he was full of shít along time ago.

I have said that I would have liked Kerry in the qf or semi final as I honestly believed we would beat them - being the better team and having the better panel. It is a pity that it won't happen, but such is life.

On todays game, despite having a centre back, midfielder/distance free taker and centre forward taken off, Kerry pushed Donegal all the way - but in truth, it would have been a travesty of injustice had ye even got a draw.

Donegal did what they were always going to do and Kerry had no answer for it. Having lost so many of their starting 15 it was upto their bench to save the day in the second half - they were simply not upto the task.

Kerry did not win Sam this year, or last year or the year before - coupled with what I think is a poor bench and a few retirements from the starting 15, it will be another few years till Sam crosses the border again.

teednab-el · 05-08-2012 10:05pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I really want to quote a 'certain' Kerry poster, but there really is no point as most reasonable posters already knew that he was full of shít along time ago.

I have said that I would have liked Kerry in the qf or semi final as I honestly believed we would beat them - being the better team and having the better panel. It is a pity that it won't happen, but such is life.

On todays game, despite having a centre back, midfielder/distance free taker and centre forward taken off, Kerry pushed Donegal all the way - but in truth, it would have been a travesty of injustice had ye even got a draw.

Donegal did what they were always going to do and Kerry had no answer for it. Having lost so many of their starting 15 it was upto their bench to save the day in the second half - they were simply not upto the task.

Kerry did not win Sam this year, or last year or the year before - coupled with what I think is a poor bench and a few retirements from the starting 15, it will be another few years till Sam crosses the border again.

Such a pity we don't have Stinicker on here for a bit of a discussion on todays games. I really miss his input.

Fr Tod Umptious · 05-08-2012 10:23pm

The nature of Kerry's exit should be of no surprise really.

The reality of Kerry over the past few years is that they have been relying on the same old stalwarts while the young guns are failing to live up to expectations, and as results the whole panel is at this stage paper thin.

When i saw Sheehan and Declan O' Sullivan coming off I knew the game was up.

Actually the game was up the night the draw was made last year.
After overcoming Tipp, Kerry had to travel to Cork.
That was a game that Kerry needed to win to avoid a long trip through the back door.
A lto of Kerry folk put their faith in the fact that they went through the back door in 2009 and won and could simply do the same again, but the panel that is around now is not a patch on the 2009 panel.

During the Cork game Kerry were flat on their feet after 60 mins, and the likes of Galvin and Donaghy had been sub-ed, their replacements made no difference at all.

For a team that is aging a trip through the back door is not an option, and the meeting with Tryone in Rd3 meant that Kerry had to be 100% in the middle of July, and then be 100% again this weekend.
All too much for the current Kerry panel.

If Kerry some how pulled it out of the fire they would have had nothing left in the tank for Cork in a few weeks time.

I would not expect this Kerry team to bounce back straight away, there will be a few more retirements this winter and I do not seriously know where the replacements will come from.

corny · 05-08-2012 10:44pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Such a pity we don't have Stinicker on here for a bit of a discussion on todays games. I really miss his input.

We all love a bit of comedy.

uriah · 05-08-2012 10:55pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Kerry did not win Sam this year, or last year or the year before - coupled with what I think is a poor bench and a few retirements from the starting 15, it will be another few years till Sam crosses the border again.

How often have I heard those or similar words before!

In a team which played in eight out of the last ten All Ireland SF Finals it must be difficult to maintain the motivation, giving up social life and family every summer...

teednab-el · 05-08-2012 10:57pm

uriah wrote: »

, giving up social life and family every summer...

Same for every county.

ShamoBuc · 05-08-2012 11:01pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Same for every county.

Alot harder in actual fact, when you have no success, unlike Kerry.

2010, 2011, 2012 - Sam was not won by Kerry and you won't find many putting money on Kerry lifting Sam next year either, that's just the truth of it.

uriah · 05-08-2012 11:04pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Same for every county.

Only two teams get to the end of September - and when it has happened eight years out of the last ten, that adds up to a lot of summers.

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