Irish Post Codes

giggsy664 · 14-10-2008 10:38pm

I just type in "Co. Dublin"

Works every time

garydubh · 14-10-2008 10:44pm

giggsy664 wrote: »

I just type in "Co. Dublin"

Works every time

Co Dublin! where do you type it in??......... - oh sorry I see - you have a space on some form and you want to fill it with something! - So Post Codes are about finding something that a space on a form will accept ???

I was looking at it from a different persepective - i.e. getting a Post Code that if used would help someone deliver or get to me more efficiently!

NotInventedHere · 14-10-2008 11:02pm

[/QUOTE]
Just as well PON codes are in place - they do not require millions of capital expenditure to establish and they are ready to use..... www.irishpostcodes.ie and - at no cost to the state![/QUOTE]

My post code area is centerd on Park West. **** that I dont want to be lumped in with Cherry Orchard and BAllyfermot

Realtine · 14-10-2008 11:06pm

NotInventedHere wrote: »

Just as well PON codes are in place - they do not require millions of capital expenditure to establish and they are ready to use..... www.irishpostcodes.ie and - at no cost to the state![/QUOTE]

Feck off

My post code area is centerd on Park West. **** that I dont want to be lumped in with Cherry Orchard and BAllyfermot[/QUOTE]

15-10-2008 12:40am

If these guys ^^^^ are as good writing addresses as they are at quoting messages, it's a wonder they receive any post at all! :rolleyes:

garydubh · 15-10-2008 6:39am

PON Codes will be individual - you will not have the same as others - PON Codes are unique every +/- 6 meters....

NotInventedHere · 15-10-2008 6:34pm

garydubh wrote: »

PON Codes will be individual - you will not have the same as others - PON Codes are unique every +/- 6 meters....

Are not the first 3 letters an area code, That is how people will see. "Oh! you live in mw9 code, I see..... This is inevitable.

garydubh · 15-10-2008 7:50pm

NotInventedHere wrote: »

Are not the first 3 letters an area code, That is how people will see. "Oh! you live in mw9 code, I see..... This is inevitable.

and 01 837... also represents a certain area in Dublin but is not the full Telephone number - the number is the full 9 characters or else it is of no value to anyone - in the same way as PON codes are the full 7 characters.

and the D11 district is not abbreviated to D1 or D14 to D4!!!

If you want to be snobbish about your PON Code - it is the first 3 characters and the last 2 that count - i.e. a 120m square area - buy a big enough house and you won't have to share it with anyone!!!!!!

towel401 · 15-10-2008 8:00pm

garydubh wrote: »

and 01 837... also represents a certain area in Dublin but is not the full Telephone number - the number is the full 9 characters or else it is of no value to anyone - in the same way as PON codes are the full 7 characters.

and the D11 district is not abbreviated to D1 or D14 to D4!!!

If you want to be snobbish about your PON Code - it is the first 3 characters and the last 2 that count - i.e. a 120m square area - buy a big enough house and you won't have to share it with anyone!!!!!!

so some people will have shared codes? that kind of defeats the whole purpose.

surely if you're inventing a brand new system here you will have a different code for every house, apartment.

Won't someone please think of the children? a child minder could end up getting dispatched to the wrong house while the poor child chokes to death on an oversized pringle. the system would have failed that child and its inventors would be sued to bankrupcy.

in this country it's always good to use safety and potential yet unlikely accident scenarios to push your point of view.

15-10-2008 9:07pm

towel401 wrote: »

so some people will have shared codes? that kind of defeats the whole purpose.

surely if you're inventing a brand new system here you will have a different code for every house, apartment.

The house/flat number along with the occupants name, is the final decider in any addressing system. The UK system usually has a whole street on the same postcode, aome large buildings may have a different postcode for each floor or group of floors, it's not that rigid.

Some houses that are accessable from two different streets can have one postcode for the front door and another one for the back!

garydubh · 15-10-2008 10:03pm

towel401 wrote: »

so some people will have shared codes? that kind of defeats the whole purpose.

surely if you're inventing a brand new system here you will have a different code for every house, apartment.

Your misinterpreting - the full 7 characters of a PON code has a resolution of +/- 6 meters - so most properties will have a unique Code - possibly 2 in some urban areas will have the same.

Apartments in a block will all have the same PON Code but with different door numbers. Final travel from road to door will always be aided by House Name or Number in urban areas.

All the safety justifications for PON Codes are well discussed earlier in this thread and here: http://www.gpsireland.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=79

xOxSinéadxOx · 15-10-2008 10:08pm

hold the phone, this is coming in?

towel401 · 15-10-2008 10:27pm

garydubh wrote: »

Your misinterpreting - the full 7 characters of a PON code has a resolution of +/- 6 meters - so most properties will have a unique Code - possibly 2 in some urban areas will have the same.

Apartments in a block will all have the same PON Code but with different door numbers. Final travel from road to door will always be aided by House Name or Number in urban areas.

All the safety justifications for PON Codes are well discussed earlier in this thread and here: http://www.gpsireland.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=79

6m not very accurate when you consider the ever decreasing size of houses. In a few years people will be living in capsule residences [ like capsule hotels but as a permanent residence] and the code will be worthless. if you include GPS inaccuracies then it's even more than 6m.

you might as well just write the coordinates on the envelope. This business with converting it to letters and numbers is worthless unless you bring in some sort of checksum and add a few digits for a unique number for every post box. but that only makes things complicated so lets just stick to what we have. write the coordinates on some inconspicuous part of the package if you're worried the polski driving the delivery van won't be able to find the place

garydubh · 15-10-2008 10:36pm

towel401 wrote: »

6m not very accurate when you consider the ever decreasing size of houses. In a few years people will be living in capsule residences [ like capsule hotels but as a permanent residence] and the code will be worthless. if you include GPS inaccuracies then it's even more than 6m.

you might as well just write the coordinates on the envelope. This business with converting it to letters and numbers is worthless unless you bring in some sort of checksum and add a few digits for a unique number for every post box. but that only makes things complicated so lets just stick to what we have. write the coordinates on some inconspicuous part of the package if you're worried the polski driving the delivery van won't be able to find the place

Your comments suggest that you are ignoring the fact that few of our population can understand/use Lat/long coordinates or remember ITM coordinates which are 12 characters long - all discussed and dealt with earlier in this thread.

With respect to the capsule - we will be delivering to that using the "Beam Me Up Scotty Machine" Brian Lenihan is paying the R&D costs on at present!

+/- 6 meters is pretty good for any location codes and will do us very well for many years to come - unless of course you are "ar dha thaobh an bhothair" in which case - stand back and take a run at it and hope that someone else opens the door !!!!!!!

towel401 · 15-10-2008 10:46pm

garydubh wrote: »

Your comments suggest that you are ignoring the fact that few of our population can understand/use Lat/long coordinates or remember ITM coordinates which are 12 characters long - all discussed and dealt with earlier in this thread.

With respect to the capsule - we will be delivering to that using the "Beam Me Up Scotty Machine" Brian Lenihan is paying the R&D costs on at present!

+/- 6 meters is pretty good for any location codes and will do us very well for many years to come - unless of course you are "ar dha thaobh an bhothair" in which case - stand back and take a run at it and hope that someone else opens the door !!!!!!!

a set of coordinates contains the same amount of information as a phone number or two. if someone can't remember those they probably won't remember the address either

if you bring in a post code system now it would be a good idea to make it so it never has to be changed. that includes checksums, unique codes and room for expansion. like IPv6 - an IP address for every grain of sand on 3 planets the size of earth

garydubh · 15-10-2008 11:12pm

towel401 wrote: »

a set of coordinates contains the same amount of information as a phone number or two. if someone can't remember those they probably won't remember the address either

if you bring in a post code system now it would be a good idea to make it so it never has to be changed. that includes checksums, unique codes and room for expansion. like IPv6 - an IP address for every grain of sand on 3 planets the size of earth

We don't need to know where you P....!!!!!

towel401 · 15-10-2008 11:18pm

garydubh wrote: »

We don't need to know where you P....!!!!!

wtf?

Keith186 · 15-10-2008 11:49pm

8 page discussion on postcodes?

I didn't know some people were so passionate about this sort of stuff.

NotInventedHere · 16-10-2008 3:50am

garydubh wrote: »

and 01 837... also represents a certain area in Dublin but is not the full Telephone number - the number is the full 9 characters or else it is of no value to anyone - in the same way as PON codes are the full 7 characters.

and the D11 district is not abbreviated to D1 or D14 to D4!!!

If you want to be snobbish about your PON Code - it is the first 3 characters and the last 2 that count - i.e. a 120m square area - buy a big enough house and you won't have to share it with anyone!!!!!!

The fact of the matter is that people are snobby about post codes the world over. Happened in Ireland with 6w instead of D26. and London is rife with it. Regardless of what you say when they are introduced they will have a huge impact on areas and their desirability or lack there of. Anyhoo dont an post have this already with geo directory.

garydubh · 16-10-2008 7:37am

NotInventedHere wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that people are snobby about post codes the world over. Happened in Ireland with 6w instead of D26. and London is rife with it. Regardless of what you say when they are introduced they will have a huge impact on areas and their desirability or lack there of. Anyhoo dont an post have this already with geo directory.

I think snobbery is the last thing people are worrying about with respect to houses right now!!!

Vanity addresses based on snobbery are a problem in Ireland right now and we do not need a Post Code system to cause that - but that bubble has now burst!!!People who would like to choose their Post Code to suit their aspirations cannot with PON Codes - if they choose to use an incorrect PON code then the person driving to their door will not get there - a simple choice!

If you feel that a PON Code and therefore Latitude and Longitude or Irish Grid (ITM) does not properly reflect your status in the world then change planet( one of the 3 you are palnning for) and make sure on the new one that the Prime meridian does not go through the equivalent of Greenwich. Or take it up with the Ordnance Survey who define Irish Grid and ITM. Everyone's house has had a Lat/long - Grid coordinate for many years and no one has complained about that ever - PON Codes are just Lat/long and Grid in a shorter format!!!!

Therefore, there is no justification for using any element of a PON Code to suit snobbery as unlike the existing Dublin District Postal system PON codes do not bound areas with the same type of houses - purely a mathematical relationship with Lat/long and Grid.

Yes there is a Geodirectory which belongs to An Post and the OSI with Grid Coordinates in it - nobody has ever complained about the coordinates for their property in this either. The Geodircetory cannot be used as a Post Coding system for several reasons explained earlier in this thread, including reasons given in the Dail.

The Geodirectory is an expensive address database which PON codes does not use so that deployment and maintenance costs and logistics are minimised for users.

Over 6 months of discussion on PON Codes you are the first to introduce the idea of snobbery!!!! And since the days of Mercator nobody has ever complained that the coordinates of the place where they live have not suited their status in life!!! You should take it up with the Ordnance Survey Of Ireland who define our National Grid System.

NotInventedHere · 16-10-2008 12:39pm

garydubh I understand that the ideal situation is that post codes are introduced and people accept them for the efficencies that they deliver. Wherther that is that marketers can pidgeonhole you with greater accuracy or post is delivered quicker or whatever this post code silver bullet promises. That is not reality where 'real' people stand to lose 'real money' because of what is essentially a lottery created by a private company. eg militar Road, Balybrack. Foxboro, Lucan, Larel lodge, Castleknock. thats just 3 off the top of my head.

garydubh · 16-10-2008 5:31pm

NotInventedHere wrote: »

garydubh I understand that the ideal situation is that post codes are introduced and people accept them for the efficencies that they deliver. Wherther that is that marketers can pidgeonhole you with greater accuracy or post is delivered quicker or whatever this post code silver bullet promises. That is not reality where 'real' people stand to lose 'real money' because of what is essentially a lottery created by a private company. eg militar Road, Balybrack. Foxboro, Lucan, Larel lodge, Castleknock. thats just 3 off the top of my head.

Not sure why you have quoted street names???

PON Codes are no lottery - they are a direct conversion of Irish Grid which your house already has.....

Cannot account for your thinking on this as some real people are in vehicles every day trying to find places and cannot because the other real people you refer to change their addresses to suit their pretentions....

You seem to be on your own with this point of view!

16-10-2008 5:59pm

This thread is starting to remind me of the silly situation that occurred in London in the late 80's (or early 90's, I can't remember exactly) when the Telephone numbers were divided up into two dialling zones as they had run out of numbers.

One zone was central London and the other was the remainder of London, the number of people who got their numbers ported to central London ones at great expense was unbelievable, Mrs Buckets the lot of them! pronounced "Bouquet".

At least you can't do that with PON codes.

(have visions of someone erecting a signpost with "We actually live 500 metres down the road" pointing to a council estate.

javaboy · 16-10-2008 6:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread is starting to remind me of the silly situation that occurred in London in the late 80's (or early 90's, I can't remember exactly) when the Telephone numbers were divided up into two dialling zones as they had run out of numbers.

Oh yeah I remember that. The Who came and played on one side but not the other or something like that.

Euro_Kraut · 20-09-2009 10:07pm

Its looks like we are getting postcodes:http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/postcode.html

The Government has approved the introduction of a national postal code.

The Minister for Communications said tenders for the design and implementation of the system will be issued shortly.

Minister Ryan said he expects new postal codes with digits and letters to be introduced in 2011.
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A Government commissioned report said codes would provide long term savings and demographic details for planning as well as benefitting emergency services.

An Post said it will be playing a key role in the move to postal codes which will involve coding 1.7 million addresses.

In 2005, the then Minister for Communications, Noel Dempsey, promised a new system by 2008. At the time An post questioned the need for postal codes and industry experts put the cost at €50 million

However, Mr Ryan today said the move would cost a fraction of the €50 million it was estimated to cost four years.

Part of me is sad that we will lose our old non-post coded address e.g. John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo.

Still will make it easier filling in those damm online address forms that ask for post codes.

Dankoozy · 20-09-2009 10:14pm

We don't need post codes, this is purely for the benefit of a few yuppies who can't deal with GPS coordinates and need something else to type into their TomTom

and of course blindly copying what every other country does for the sake of "being more modern" in the hope that they will welcome us into their clique.

i always liked the lack of post codes, addresses were easier to remember without some cryptic code thrown into the middle of it.

Property tax
Post codes
"3 strikes" rule for using p2p
NCT

what other needless, annoying measures are they going to introduce here in order to 'fit in with the rest of them modern countries like England and France?'

ronaneire · 20-09-2009 10:15pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Its looks like we are getting postcodes:http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/postcode.html

Part of me is sad that we will lose our old non-post coded address e.g. John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo. MO1234

Still will make it easier filling in those damm online address forms that ask for post codes.

John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo. MO1234

You probably wont lose it, just add to it. It is not before time either.

Euro_Kraut · 20-09-2009 10:17pm

ronaneire wrote: »

John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo. MO4SAM09

That might be more like what we get.

Dartz · 20-09-2009 10:19pm

Never underestimate the governments ability to launch pointless initiatives just to prove that it is doing something to solve a problem nobody even cared about.

Can it be dictatorship tiem nao?

joey54 · 20-09-2009 10:19pm

So will Dublin just stay the way it is or will there be changes?

AnonoBoy · 20-09-2009 10:19pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Its looks like we are getting postcodes:http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/postcode.html

Part of me is sad that we will lose our old non-post coded address e.g. John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo.

Still will make it easier filling in those damm online address forms that ask for post codes.

Way to give out Murphy's address.

How about a bit of privacy around here?

COME ON!!!!

Biggins · 20-09-2009 10:19pm

We must be the last country in Europe to introduce the system.
About shaggin time!
Sick of web forms not responding right when you can't supply a post code.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 20-09-2009 10:19pm

Dankoozy wrote: »

We don't need post codes, this is purely for the benefit of a few yuppies who can't deal with GPS coordinates and need something else to type into their TomTom

and of course blindly copying what every other country does for the sake of "being more modern" in the hope that they will welcome us into their clique.

i always liked the lack of post codes, addresses were easier to remember without some cryptic code thrown into the middle of it.

Property tax
Post codes
"3 strikes" rule for using p2p
NCT

what other needless, annoying measures are they going to introduce here in order to 'fit in with the rest of them modern countries like England and France?'

NCT needless??? Lol...

AnonoBoy · 20-09-2009 10:20pm

Biggins wrote: »

We must be the last country in Europe to introduce the system.
About shaggin time!
Sick of web forms not responding right when you can't supply a post code.

000 is your best friend in that situation.

20-09-2009 10:22pm

ah yes. lets spend 50 million squids. sure why not. we'll just let biggins kid suffer some more so we can make mr postmans life soooo much easier :rolleyes:

Edit; didn't actually notice that biggins had replied to the thread! does my post look bad now? flip.

Max Power1 · 20-09-2009 10:23pm

Biggins wrote: »

We must be the last country in Europe to introduce the system.
About shaggin time!
Sick of web forms not responding right when you can't supply a post code.

000 always works for me

Bit daft to add a post code and confuse people just to make a few online transactions a bit smoother.

ronaneire · 20-09-2009 10:24pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Way to give out Murphy's address.

How about a bit of privacy around here?

COME ON!!!!

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Its looks like we are getting postcodes:http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/postcode.html

Part of me is sad that we will lose our old non-post coded address e.g. John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo.

Still will make it easier filling in those damm online address forms that ask for post codes.

For example

Dankoozy · 20-09-2009 10:25pm

Biggins wrote: »

We must be the last country in Europe to introduce the system.
About shaggin time!
Sick of web forms not responding right when you can't supply a post code.

The Irish government should piss away 50 million on a postcode system because of a few stupid Twitter-using web developers who fail to realise that not everyone has or needs a postcode?

Kayson Fast Tide wrote: »

NCT needless??? Lol...

NCT does nothing but make people spend more money on cars and replacement parts that weren't necessary before. so unless you consider propping up the garages / car industries a justified cause then it's needless

b0bsquish · 20-09-2009 10:28pm

er...why does it cost 50 million??

Yakult · 20-09-2009 10:29pm

Do we really need this ****e when this country is struggling financially? I reckon theirs better and more important things to spend €50 million on.

Biggins · 20-09-2009 10:32pm

Dankoozy wrote: »

The Irish government should piss away 50 million on a postcode system because of a few stupid Twitter-using web developers who fail to realise that not everyone has or needs a postcode?

Definably not. If it costs that much - stuff that.
We can survive without it. 50 Mill' frak me!
Ireland ain't THAT big! We'll still get our mail anyway!

Euro_Kraut · 20-09-2009 10:32pm

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Do we really need this ****e when this country is struggling financially? I reckon theirs better and more important things to spend €50 million on.

Like what??? Go on I dare ya - Name one thing MORE important that postcodes?

This could save us seconds upon seconds when buying stuff online.

ctrl-alt-delete · 20-09-2009 10:34pm

A waste of money, we have done ok so far without them,

A load of crap people on Rte News saying it will save lives,

We'll waste €50 million on it, and then that will make the money An post spent on the mail sorting machines a waste too.

Dankoozy · 20-09-2009 10:37pm

Biggins wrote: »

Definably not. If it costs that much - stuff that.
We can survive without it. 50 Mill' frak me!
Ireland ain't THAT big! We'll still get our mail anyway!

they could just have one official postcode for everyone in ireland to use for this purpose. maybe something like 'yore ma' but in caps and l33t speek to make it look more like an actual post code

PCPhoto · 20-09-2009 10:37pm

typical of this damn government ..... lets try and fix something thats working already !!!

where can we pi$$ away some more public money ?

I'd like to find out who was actually behind it.... and ask them why do they want to waste public money in this way !!

Is there really a need for Ireland to get post code's .... good 'ould Mr Postie knew how to do his job 50yrs ago , these days the postman(Being Policically Correct Postal Delivery Staff) doesn't know the difference between "Avenue" and "Road" (*Not ALL Postal Delivery Staff are capable of doing their job...much like a lot of staff in any other job - nepotism has ruined our economy)

/Rant (Gets Coat)

useful_contacts · 20-09-2009 10:38pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Its looks like we are getting postcodes:http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/postcode.html

Part of me is sad that we will lose our old non-post coded address e.g. John Murphy, Carricknabridie, Killslaybutcher, Ballytown, Co Mayo.

Still will make it easier filling in those damm online address forms that ask for post codes.

FFS

the only reason i cant remeber my sisters addy in london is cos of that ****ing postcode with the 20 letters and numbers

Jesus!

the post is pure slow here but so what- jesus what next they gonna have colour coded squares in every estate!

They taxing us to the bone in every budget- but hey "while we are at it lets introduce something totally unnecessery to take the focus away from everything else we are doing wrong"

twits!!!

Del2005 · 20-09-2009 10:38pm

Biggins wrote: »

Definably not. If it costs that much - stuff that.
We can survive without it. 50 Mill' frak me!
Ireland ain't THAT big! We'll still get our mail anyway!

It's €50 mil because some civil servants are going to have to think up a name for every road and boreen in the country...

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

A waste of money, we have done ok so far without them,

A load of crap people on Rte News saying it will save lives,

We'll waste €50 million on it, and then that will make the money An post spent on the mail sorting machines a waste too.

They already have one, but won't let anyone else use it. So we have to have a new system:eek::eek:

mikemac · 20-09-2009 10:40pm

Don't need it for postal delivery.
Delivery mail in towns should be straightforward with estates and streets and house numbers.

Not easy in rural areas when you have a few people with the same name and no numbers, just townlands. And the postman needs to know every child and grandchild.
But it works, fair play postal staff

Do emergency staff need it, can an ambulane find someone on a rural farm?
Well they can but would this help?

G_R · 20-09-2009 10:50pm

http://www.irishpostcodes.ie/

a private company has already developed a system, as have An Post (they're just to mean to share) so can somebody tell me why were spending 50m smackers on it??

galwayrush · 20-09-2009 10:51pm

b0bsquish wrote: »

er...why does it cost 50 million??

Because the people in charge here are utterly stupid in one way, but very smart in others as in they will make sure their own cronies will make a fortune out of it.
e- voting part 2 :rolleyes: Remember, it's mainly FF hacks who are on long term contracts to mind those useless machines.:mad:

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