Heineken Sales Down As Dickheads Migrate To Craft Beers

KungPao · 23-10-2014 1:17am

Berserker wrote: »

People losing the run of themselves with their fancy beers. Yet another sign that the Celtic tiger is coming back. They'll all be getting new decking next, mark my words.

I know you're joking but you remind me of last weekend...I was with a friend and decided to have a quick drink, he was buying. He orders a pint of Heino and I ask for an Erdinger...he's like "**** sake, buying fancy expensive **** on my round"...it was 5 cents extra. 5 cents.

Sir Gallagher · 23-10-2014 1:20am

Craft beer is grand, it's the bars that change their taps constantly to accommodate different ones every week that piss me off, that plus the general sh1te atmosphere which pervades these places. I spent a Saturday night in Mulligans in Stoneybatter recently, this is supposedly a brilliant little "hidden gem" in Dublin, absolutely poison atmosphere and staff who seemed to be more concerned about sh1te ironic moustache maintenance than the customers.

I enjoy the beers, it's the bullsh1t that goes with it that pisses me off. Give me a boozer with a good atmosphere and genuine people with Guinness, Heineken Bud etc on tap over a Mulligans, PMacs or Blackbird type noncefest any day of the week.

McChubbin · 23-10-2014 1:26am

Would the in-house brews in JW Sweetmans be considered craft beers considering they've been brewed on site?

Also on the subject: Why why WHY did they get rid of the Bock blend? It was gorgeous- malty, caramelly porter with a 6.5% content and at €4 a pint I could get nicely tipsy for €20.
*sigh*

Sir Gallagher · 23-10-2014 1:32am

McChubbin wrote: »

Would the in-house brews in JW Sweetmans be considered craft beers considering they've been brewed on site?
Also on the subject: Why why WHY did they get rid of the Bock blend? It was gorgeous- malty, caramelly porter with a 6.5% content and at €4 a pint I could get nicely tipsy for €20.
*sigh*

From what i've experienced, Sweetman's and Porterhouses own brand beers are completely terrible.

csallmighty · 23-10-2014 1:43am

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

That Waterford Whispers website is really unfunny.

Edit: Granted, I'm basing this on 2 articles I've read. And not the one included in the OP.

Some of them are alright. This ones my favorite from a while back

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/11/irish-garth-brooks-fan-self-immolates-in-concert-protest-graphic-content/

Turpentine · 23-10-2014 1:45am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Craft beers - Obscure ****e with a shelf life shorter than skimmed milk. Usually presented in a bottle that looks like it was designed by 7 year olds high on crystal meth. Most craft beers taste like a mixture of piss and sam adams.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

From what i've experienced, Sweetman's and Porterhouses own brand beers are completely terrible.

Taste may be subjective, but both of these posts are objectively wrong.

Bipolar Joe · 23-10-2014 1:47am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Craft beers - Obscure ****e with a shelf life shorter than skimmed milk. Usually presented in a bottle that looks like it was designed by 7 year olds high on crystal meth. Most craft beers taste like a mixture of piss and sam adams.

You sound eleven. "Herpy derpy, you like a fingie wot I don't like, herpitty derpitty derp."

Sir Gallagher · 23-10-2014 1:49am

Turpentine wrote: »

Taste may be subjective, but both of these posts are objectively wrong.

From my experience? I wasn't being objective.

osarusan · 23-10-2014 1:58am

Lots of craft beer is lovely, some of it isn't great but falls under the craft banner so seems to escape criticism.

I've never thought the mainstream beers tasted like pi$$ either, then don't taste of much at all really, which makes them easy to drink.

What I think is funny is when people go on and on about a beer that comes from another country and isn't well known, so there is a hint of sophistication from it, but it's actually a mass-produced beer in its own country.

I've seen this a few times with people going on about Asahi Super Dry or Kirin from Japan, despite the fact that they are the Japanese equivalent of Heineken or Carlsberg.

Mickey H · 23-10-2014 1:58am

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I'll stick to the bulmers.

You can't beat the old Clonmel Champagne.

marco_polo · 23-10-2014 1:59am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

is there any craft beer that tastes of anything other than excessive hops?

Apart from Stout/Red Ales theres probably not a huge amount of variety amongst Irish craft brewers outside of hoppy IPAs/Pale Ales etc, but a few are branching out a bit adding lagers / wheat beers etc.

Links234 · 23-10-2014 2:14am

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

From what i've experienced, Sweetman's and Porterhouses own brand beers are completely terrible.

What? Porterhouse do some damn fine stuff

Links234 · 23-10-2014 2:18am

osarusan wrote: »

I've seen this a few times with people going on about Asahi Super Dry or Kirin from Japan, despite the fact that they are the Japanese equivalent of Heineken or Carlsberg.

Couple that with the fact that the Kirin you get over here is brewed in Bedford in the UK. That, Asahi (brewed by Sheaperd Neame in the UK), Sapporo, it's generic lager.

Now, talk to me about Hitachino Nest, they do some amazing stuff

Or Yona Yona Ale

Sir Gallagher · 23-10-2014 3:04am

Links234 wrote: »

What? Porterhouse do some damn fine stuff

Like what? Off the top of my head i've head Plain, Oyster, Hop Head and Chiller from their taps and they've been ok flavour wise but flat as fck. I'd prefer a fresh pint of the standard beers from good taps tbh.

AndonHandon · 23-10-2014 3:05am

Considering that Diageo, Heineken and Bulmers had vice-like grips on publicans for years, craft beers have been associated with an almost anti-establishment buzz In Ireland.

Links234 · 23-10-2014 3:10am

I love the Plain, Wrastlers, Choc Truffle Stout (oh my god, a chocolate stout that actually taste of chocolate, I am in heaven!) and I can't remember the name of their cask ale, was it TSB? Wouldn't call them flat, but honestly a porter or stout, they'd be generally not as gassy as your average lager.

Sir Gallagher · 23-10-2014 4:13am

Links234 wrote: »

I love the Plain, Wrastlers, Choc Truffle Stout (oh my god, a chocolate stout that actually taste of chocolate, I am in heaven!) and I can't remember the name of their cask ale, was it TSB? Wouldn't call them flat, but honestly a porter or stout, they'd be generally not as gassy as your average lager.

I must try that chocolate stout. You can get a stout that goes flat fairly quickly imo as in it loses its creaminess. I think the same could be said of a lot of craft beers on tap here, some of them would be more suited to a half or glass. Its something which is at odds with our drinking culture unfortunately.

Amirani · 23-10-2014 7:55am

humbert wrote: »

It was semi-serious but I'm not sure what the point your making is? (genuine question).

Cask is a specific brewing and serving method. How could you have a problem with someone describing ale as cask when that's exactly what it is?

Omackeral · 23-10-2014 8:12am

A shocking amount of people in this thread seem to have drank piss/know what it tastes like. Worrying.

DiegoCosta · 23-10-2014 8:12am

Nothing new here, men are second class citizens.

osarusan · 23-10-2014 8:15am

DiegoCosta wrote: »

Nothing new here, men are second class citizens.

You can't even get your trolling in the right thread.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 23-10-2014 8:15am

DiegoCosta wrote: »

Nothing new here, men are second class citizens.

For drinking Heineken? I know it's not the best but that's a bit harsh.

moxin · 23-10-2014 8:17am

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Like what? Off the top of my head i've head Plain, Oyster, Hop Head and Chiller from their taps and they've been ok flavour wise but flat as fck. I'd prefer a fresh pint of the standard beers from good taps tbh.

I've never had a flat stout from the Porterhouse, you sure you were in the right establishment?!

Johngoose · 23-10-2014 8:21am

I think that people are just looking for something different.Who wants to drink the "staple" beers for their whole lives?It would be dull to just drink either Guinness/Heineken/Bulmers/Budweiser or Carlesburg.

Molester Stallone II · 23-10-2014 8:37am

Omackeral wrote: »

A shocking amount of people in this thread seem to have drank piss/know what it tastes like. Worrying.

Ah, you're familiar with Golden Shower IPA? Lovely stuff, goes down smooth with a nice tangy aftertaste...

anncoates · 23-10-2014 8:46am

Berserker wrote: »

People losing the run of themselves with their fancy beers. Yet another sign that the Celtic tiger is coming back. They'll all be getting new decking next, mark my words.

Say people that happily pay through the nose for so called normal beer but balk at paying an extra few cents for something "pretentious", that is, merely a different beer.

circadian · 23-10-2014 8:46am

The mass produced beers tend to leave me with a horrible hangover (Carlsberg by far the worst) I'd imagine this is down to additives.

Of course, craft beers will leave you hanging too but sometimes its not as bad.

The one beer I am able to chug through and feel grand-ish the next morning is Okanagan Spring 1516.

I love craft beers but I'm picky, there's some my mates like that I think taste like watered down cack. On the other hand they think I'm mental for liking cherry beer.

Beaner1 · 23-10-2014 8:59am

circadian wrote: »

The mass produced beers tend to leave me with a horrible hangover (Carlsberg by far the worst) I'd imagine this is down to additives.

Of course, craft beers will leave you hanging too but sometimes its not as bad.

The one beer I am able to chug through and feel grand-ish the next morning is Okanagan Spring 1516.

I love craft beers but I'm picky, there's some my mates like that I think taste like watered down cack. On the other hand they think I'm mental for liking cherry beer.

Hangovers are down to alcohol.

Beefy78 · 23-10-2014 9:15am

I think a lot of the 'backlash' against craft beer drinking is borne out of frustration at the snooty attitude shown by many towards the 80% of the demographic who do drink mass-produced lager. You see it everywhere online and on Boards especially. You see it in this thread.

"Heineken/Budweiser is flat, weak and tasteless"

"Yeah well craft beers taste like piss"

"Yeah well your Mum"

It seems such a strange thing to have such strong feelings about.

One thing I will say is that you simply cannot beat a pint of flat, weak and tasteless mass-produced lager outdoors on a sunny day.

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:01am

I think its an inferiority complex meself.

Hoop66 · 23-10-2014 10:05am

BrokenHero wrote: »

Craft beer is horrible piss usually brewed by over privileged daddy's boys and drank by their overbearing mates.

Even the **** on the site wouldn't drink that stuff, it's worse than meths.

Yeah, god forbid someone should make a beer that actually tastes of something.

rubadub · 23-10-2014 10:06am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Craft beers are ****e.

If they were any good there be a huge demand for them and they'd be mass produced.

A lot of people do not particularly like the taste of beer. It's a recreational drug which they want to get "high" on and so select the least offensive tasting one. Value/price will also come into it, they might "suffer less" if they drank vodka & coke, but its a very expensive form of the drug in pubs. A shot of vodka is only roughly half a pints worth of beer.

So to many heineken or bud are like coated painkiller pills, goes down easier, no overpowering taste they are not fond of, and the end result is the same.

I remember a guy I know being shocked that I would drink a beer with dinner, he solely drank to get drunk and selected budweiser as it had the least taste. I have heard several people saying similar things too.

"Good" does not mean there has to be a high demand. I expect chocolate connoisseurs, cheese connoisseurs, wine connoisseurs would not rate dairy milk, dairly lea, or buckfast very highly. But they are mass produced, the average dairy milk eater might baulk at some of the highly rated chocolate, and the easy single eater might puke if they even smelt some highly rated cheeses.

I think it strange how people are so stuck in their ways about beer, not willing to try any other. I expect there are many would call themselves "guinness drinkers" who may have only tasted 1 or 2 other stouts.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 23-10-2014 10:07am

What's wrong with drinking "craft" beers if they are chemical free? I couldn't care less what brand it is once it's;

1. Tastey
2. Chemicle free

Hoop66 · 23-10-2014 10:09am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

is there any craft beer that tastes of anything other than excessive hops?

If you don't like the bitterness associated with hops, steer clear of the "Pale Ale" style, try something a bit more malty perhaps?

Ask your barman, hopefully they know what they're doing.

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:13am

Beaner1 wrote: »

Hangovers are down to alcohol.

And therefore quantity. I mostly drink "craft" beers at home and a couple of bottles is probably all. If I'm out for the night, I will check what the pub has on tap and if nothing interesting (which is common) I'll stick to Guinness.

I can certainly handle a bevvy of pints of the black stuff with less consequences than Carslberg or Heineken. I wouldn't touch Budweiser or Coors under any circumstances.

Zubeneschamali · 23-10-2014 10:14am

Nova Long Sample wrote: »

What's wrong with drinking "craft" beers if they are chemical free?

Bad news: all beer is made of chemicals. Also, all other drinks, food and air: chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.

Good news: many chemicals are organic!

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:15am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Bad news: all beer is made of chemicals. Also, all other drinks, food and air: chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.

Good news: many chemicals are organic!

Made with, not of. The quantity varies quite a bit by brand.

Mongfinder General · 23-10-2014 10:15am

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

You sound eleven. "Herpy derpy, you like a fingie wot I don't like, herpitty derpitty derp."

Stick your hipster beer up your hoop.

drkpower · 23-10-2014 10:16am

rubadub wrote: »

I think it strange how people are so stuck in their ways about beer, not willing to try any other. I expect there are many would call themselves "guinness drinkers" who may have only tasted 1 or 2 other stouts.

That's the crux. If someone love Guiness to the point of drinking 10+ pints a week of the stuff, you would expect that same person to be giddy with excitement with the prospect of tasting/trying some/all of the other beers in the porter/stout range.

But instead, you often get the polar opposite view because they tasted one craft stout and it was muck.

Zubeneschamali · 23-10-2014 10:16am

First Up wrote: »

Made with, not of. The quantity varies quite a bit by brand.

You are 100% chemicals yourself.

Shenshen · 23-10-2014 10:19am

Nova Long Sample wrote: »

What's wrong with drinking "craft" beers if they are chemical free? I couldn't care less what brand it is once it's;

1. Tastey
2. Chemicle free

Chemical free? You like drinkning plain vacuum? Must be hard to find that in most pubs...

Hoop66 · 23-10-2014 10:24am

First Up wrote: »

And therefore quantity. I mostly drink "craft" beers at home and a couple of bottles is probably all. If I'm out for the night, I will check what the pub has on tap and if nothing interesting (which is common) I'll stick to Guinness.

I can certainly handle a bevvy of pints of the black stuff with less consequences than Carslberg or Heineken. I wouldn't touch Budweiser or Coors under any circumstances.

Have you been spying on me?

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:24am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

You are 100% chemicals yourself.

Fair enough. Perhaps we should differentiate organic and inorganic chemicals.

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:25am

Hoop66 wrote: »

Have you been spying on me?

No, but I know your type.

Shenshen · 23-10-2014 10:25am

First Up wrote: »

Fair enough. Perhaps we should differentiate organic and inorganic chemicals.

Inorganic such as water, sugar, salt? Those chemicals?

TheBeardedLady · 23-10-2014 10:26am

I used to be pickier in my taste in beers but since moving to Spain and being forced to drink **** beer for 5 years, I drink absolutely any auld ****e now. I'd have a preference for nicer, tastier craft beers with a bit of flavour to them though but they're not easy to get here.

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:28am

drkpower wrote: »

That's the crux. If someone love Guiness to the point of drinking 10+ pints a week of the stuff, you would expect that same person to be giddy with excitement with the prospect of tasting/trying some/all of the other beers in the porter/stout range.

But instead, you often get the polar opposite view because they tasted one craft stout and it was muck.

A lot depends on availability and especially on tap. Draft Guinness is ubiquitous, nothing else is that widely available. If I visit Porterhouse or similar I'm happy to experiment but in your average local, what are the choices?

Shenshen · 23-10-2014 10:28am

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

I used to be pickier in my taste in beers but since moving to Spain and being forced to drink **** beer for 5 years, I drink absolutely any auld ****e now. I'd have a preference for nicer, tastier craft beers with a bit of flavour to them though but they're not easy to get here.

I'm actually thrilled to bits that there now is a bit more choice in beers.

I'm from a town of 70k inhabitants, which currently is home to 10 breweries. With each village around it having its own 1 or 2 breweries.

Coming to Ireland 12 years ago was odd, I'd never been to a place with so little choice in beers. I could never really fathom that, for people who love their drinks as much as the Irish.

Shiraz 4.99 · 23-10-2014 10:29am

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Heineken,beer of the Gods.

I worked in bars for years, if we ran out of Heineken we'd tap on a barrel of Carlsberg or even Harp back in the day.
Nobody ever noticed, it's all hogwash.

First Up · 23-10-2014 10:30am

Shenshen wrote: »

Inorganic such as water, sugar, salt? Those chemicals?

Was thinking more of beers that would pass the German “Reinheitsgebot” test or not.

Maybe "additives" would be a more useful term than "chemical".

Heineken Sales Down As Dickheads Migrate To Craft Beers

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