Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

the groutch · 08-02-2012 3:56pm

Just add Gerry to your ignore list

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 3:57pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

You're wasting your time, as I've said before, there's none so blind as those that cannot see.
It's his way or nothing else. No other argument can be explored.

I actually think you are confusing me with yourself there gerry. I believe its your way or nothing else, I have never told anyone what to do in relation to this charge, I have simply said I am paying and thats all you are the one telling people not to pay.

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 3:57pm

the groutch wrote: »

Just add Gerry to your ignore list

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donalg1 · 08-02-2012 4:04pm

the groutch wrote: »

Just add Gerry to your ignore list

If I do that will all his messages from now on not appear on this thread to me?

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 4:06pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Oh yea, 'spouting', here we go again.
I have being trying to put forward examples of how we can move forward in this country.
You, on the other hand have been slagging off everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Using the words pal,son etc plus telling others to "gtfo and troll somewhere else"
Grow up. I won't be responding to any more of your posts so feel free to make sure you have the last word with me ok if it makes you feel better.

gerryo777 wrote: »

You're wasting your time, as I've said before, there's none so blind as those that cannot see.
It's his way or nothing else. No other argument can be explored.

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Didnt last too long did it?

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 4:08pm

donalg1 wrote: »

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Didnt last too long did it?

Replying to the groutch & squod.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 4:14pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Replying to the groutch & squod.

No responding to my posts, you may not do it directly but indirectly you still are responding to them.

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 4:17pm

This thread is going nowhere now. Time to unfollow. Ciao.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 4:20pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Lock this one up mods, it's going nowhere now. Ciao.

Why do you want them to lock it, if you are finished posting then you leave the thread and dont post any more, its very easy, but just because you are finished in the thread gerry doesnt mean the thread is finished, you are not that important. :rolleyes:

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 4:27pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Why do you want them to lock it, if you are finished posting then you leave the thread and dont post any more, its very easy, but just because you are finished in the thread gerry doesnt mean the thread is finished, you are not that important. :rolleyes:

I might come back in a couple of weeks to see if your still trolling. It's impossible to debate or be constructive with trolls. There's more to life than arguing with fools.Have fun. And make sure you get another snide remark in soon.

the groutch · 08-02-2012 4:28pm

just because most of us don't want to read what you have to say doesnt mean the thread should be locked
a thread should never revolve around any one member

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 4:30pm

the groutch wrote: »

just because most of us don't want to read what you have to say doesnt mean the thread should be locked
a thread should never revolve around any one member

I agree entirely.I've removed my call to lock it.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 4:44pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

I might come back in a couple of weeks to see if your still trolling. It's impossible to debate or be constructive with trolls. There's more to life than arguing with fools.Have fun. And make sure you get another snide remark in soon.

So now you are calling me a troll and a fool, which is exactly what you were going to try get me banned for doing? Very hypocritical there gerry. Do you want to get this thread back on track or do you wish to keep saying goodbye then hello again?

Or would you rather accuse me of something only to turn around and do the same thing two minutes later?

steve9859 · 08-02-2012 4:59pm

So are people going to pay this thing or not??

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 5:07pm

steve9859 wrote: »

So are people going to pay this thing or not??

I am going to pay but will be waiting until the last minute to do so.

lividduck · 08-02-2012 5:16pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I think it has been shown at the start of this thread that 99% of people can afford the €2 per week.

Soory but there are 180 or so pages of posts, can you point me to ones that PROVE people can afford it.
BTW As I said in an earlier post I can afford it so I paid, but I know people who cant pay the bills they have already, so if your weekly balance sheet is
-€15, how can you afford another €2 on top of that.
Not everybody is in financial trouble because they were rash some people believed the Goverment who said "our economic fundementals were strong" and the Financial Regulator who said "Irish banks have the best capitization in Europe" etc.., people made decisions based on the information provided by the state and its agencys so stop blaming them as though they were rabid spendcrazy maniacs.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 5:32pm

lividduck wrote: »

Soory but there are 180 or so pages of posts, can you point me to ones that PROVE people can afford it.
BTW As I said in an earlier post I can afford it so I paid, but I know people who cant pay the bills they have already, so if your weekly balance sheet is
-€15, how can you afford another €2 on top of that.
Not everybody is in financial trouble because they were rash some people believed the Goverment who said "our economic fundementals were strong" and the Financial Regulator who said "Irish banks have the best capitization in Europe" etc.., people made decisions based on the information provided by the state and its agencys so stop blaming them as though they were rabid spendcrazy maniacs.

Its €2 a week everyone can afford that, I dont think I need to prove it as it is common sense to assume people can afford it.

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 6:22pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I think it has been shown at the start of this thread that 99% of people can afford the €2 per week.

And I think you are ignoring the fact that these same people KNOW it will not be 100e for long. Just like the Govt are plotting with their reduction of the septic tank charges down to 5e for the sole purpose of getting people REGISTERED and then when they REGISTER they can hit them with huge increases every year after that. Now do you understand ? The 100e is just a bit of bait.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 6:59pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I think it has been shown at the start of this thread that 99% of people can afford the €2 per week.

And I think you are ignoring the fact that these same people KNOW it will not be 100e for long. Just like the Govt are plotting with their reduction of the septic tank charges down to 5e for the sole purpose of getting people REGISTERED and then when they REGISTER they can hit them with huge increases every year after that. Now do you understand ? The 100e is just a bit of bait.

Shush and please don't try patronise me. As I have stated on numerous occasions this thread is about the household charge which is €100 so that is what's being discussed here. So when that changes we will discuss the new levels then as it is quite hard to talk about something when you only have imaginary figures to go on.

Ok so do you understand? Doubtful that you do but sure hey!!!

daveyeh · 08-02-2012 7:03pm

Yes.

We will all pay one way or another.

At least this way the rich will pay their fair share.

Cop on you lefty fools. This IS a leftist tax.

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 7:10pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Shush and please don't try patronise me. As I have stated on numerous occasions this thread is about the household charge which is €100 so that is what's being discussed here. So when that changes we will discuss the new levels then as it is quite hard to talk about something when you only have imaginary figures to go on.

Ok so do you understand? Doubtful that you do but sure hey!!!

Shush yourself. People are not as stupid as you think and please don't patronise me. Posters are now fed up of your ramblings and if you think that the 100e fee will remain for the future than I really pity you.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 7:16pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Shush and please don't try patronise me. As I have stated on numerous occasions this thread is about the household charge which is €100 so that is what's being discussed here. So when that changes we will discuss the new levels then as it is quite hard to talk about something when you only have imaginary figures to go on.

Ok so do you understand? Doubtful that you do but sure hey!!!

Shush yourself. People are not as stupid as you think and please don't patronise me. Posters are now fed up of your ramblings and if you think that the 100e fee will remain for the future than I really pity you.

Oh my god can't believe someone can miss the point so badly.

If you don't want me to patronise you I suggest you don't try it on me. Ok? If you can't take it don't dish it out.

Answer me this how much is the household charge?

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 7:19pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh my god can't believe someone can miss the point so badly.

If you don't want me to patronise you I suggest you don't try it on me. Ok? If you can't take it don't dish it out.

Answer me this how much is the household charge?

If you really don't get the gist of the vast majority of posts on this subject then I think its time Boards opened a Junior Section for you. Cheers.

RandomName2 · 08-02-2012 7:19pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get the 5 grand figure from?

Plans to introduce site valuation as part of property tax that would make the tax rise from €100 to, on "average" €625 for every tax-payer, but is said to rise to as much as €5000 for south county dublin residents. They were very open about it on RTE radio :eek:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0127/tax.html

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 7:24pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh my god can't believe someone can miss the point so badly.

If you don't want me to patronise you I suggest you don't try it on me. Ok? If you can't take it don't dish it out.

Answer me this how much is the household charge?

If you really don't get the gist of the vast majority of posts on this subject then I think its time Boards opened a Junior Section for you. Cheers.

Ha ha good one so you won't answer my question then just throw your toys out of the pram and try come up with a silly insult. Think you need to be heading to the junior section.

It was a very straight forward question and your childish response proves to me that you are unable to act like an adult

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 7:28pm

donalg1 wrote: »

If you wish to make comparisons to Bertie I think you would be better starting with the anti brigade as they are the ones refusing to open their eyes and realise how f***** things are and are instead content on carrying on the way we are until everything gets far worse. Anti brigade = fianna fail.

There is no difference in FG/FG, same golden circle poltics, just different cronies. As for most other polticians and parties they are also corrupt to the core. Honest people do not go into Irish politics. So save the propaganda for someone else.

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 7:29pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Ha ha good one so you won't answer my question then just throw your toys out of the pram and try come up with a silly insult. Think you need to be heading to the junior section.

It was a very straight forward question and your childish response proves to me that you are unable to act like an adult

Now I know what the other posters mean abaout you. Troll-o-lol-o-lol.

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 7:32pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Its €2 a week everyone can afford that, I dont think I need to prove it as it is common sense to assume people can afford it.

Don't bother patronising us.

We could not care less if it was 2 cent a week, we would still not pay. It is an unfair,imoral, unjust, corrupt, tax.

Now take that little message back to your slimey golden cirlce paymasters in upper mount street, there's a good boy.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 7:44pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

If you wish to make comparisons to Bertie I think you would be better starting with the anti brigade as they are the ones refusing to open their eyes and realise how f***** things are and are instead content on carrying on the way we are until everything gets far worse. Anti brigade = fianna fail.

There is no difference in FG/FG, same golden circle poltics, just different cronies. As for most other polticians and parties they are also corrupt to the core. Honest people do not go into Irish politics. So save the propaganda for someone else.

Your the one posting propaganda

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 7:47pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Its €2 a week everyone can afford that, I dont think I need to prove it as it is common sense to assume people can afford it.

Don't bother patronising us.

We could not care less if it was 2 cent a week, we would still not pay. It is an unfair,imoral, unjust, corrupt, tax.

Now take that little message back to your slimey golden cirlce paymasters in upper mount street, there's a good boy.

Good lad yourself insult me and that will really help your credibility round here. Just shows you have absolutely nothing to say and nothing going on between your ears. Very classy though well done to you.

Ok boy?

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 7:49pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Ha ha good one so you won't answer my question then just throw your toys out of the pram and try come up with a silly insult. Think you need to be heading to the junior section.

It was a very straight forward question and your childish response proves to me that you are unable to act like an adult

Now I know what the other posters mean abaout you. Troll-o-lol-o-lol.

I think you should check the meaning of the word troll tayto. I ask you a direct question I make it the easiest question possible for you and you respond with an insult.

Pretty obvious who the troll is tayto.

squod · 08-02-2012 8:05pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Its €2 a week everyone can afford that, I dont think I need to prove it as it is common sense to assume people can afford it.

Where do I start? I can't afford it! Loads of people I know can't afford it. I can't even afford my own asthma medication.

Do you know what? Even if I had that kind of money to waste I'd rather see it burn before my eyes than read about it being squandered on something stupid.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:06pm

squod wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Its €2 a week everyone can afford that, I dont think I need to prove it as it is common sense to assume people can afford it.

Where do I start? I can't afford it! Loads of people I know can't afford it. I can't even afford my own asthma medication.

Do you know what? Even if I had that kind of money to waste I'd rather see it burn before my eyes than read about it being squandered on something stupid.

I can't afford my asthma medication either but will still be paying this charge and then spend weeks trying to gather enough for my inhalers bit of careful budgeting and I'll manage.

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 8:10pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I think you should check the meaning of the word troll tayto. I ask you a direct question I make it the easiest question possible for you and you respond with an insult.

Pretty obvious who the troll is tayto.

Maybe if you read the thread you will discover what posters think but if you are just going to try and insult the intelligence of posters then you will get what you get.

squod · 08-02-2012 8:15pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I can't afford my asthma medication either but will still be paying this charge and then spend weeks trying to gather enough for my inhalers bit of careful budgeting and I'll manage.

Jaysus. There is no getting through. I really think you need some third party independent advice on this. Would your doctor recommend prioritising some useless tax over your health? Would anyone (aside from you)?

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:16pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I think you should check the meaning of the word troll tayto. I ask you a direct question I make it the easiest question possible for you and you respond with an insult.

Pretty obvious who the troll is tayto.

Maybe if you read the thread you will discover what posters think but if you are just going to try and insult the intelligence of posters then you will get what you get.

I read the thread tayto. You don't seem able to read though otherwise you would answer questions when asked. And show me where I have insulted anyone any more than you? And what exactly is it that I will get please enlighten me would be great to hear?

lividduck · 08-02-2012 8:17pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I can't afford my asthma medication either but will still be paying this charge and then spend weeks trying to gather enough for my inhalers bit of careful budgeting and I'll manage.

I have paid the tax, however I resent it. You earlier stated that you had PROVED that €2 per week was affordable to everyone, I asked you which post you had proved it in. You response was trite, amd failed totally to address the issues I raised.
Having trawled back through the posts on this thread I note that you seem bent on inciting an emotional response from the anti-campaign in order to somehow portray yourself as superior or more civic minded than them. while I abhor totally some of the scandelous name calling and misrepresentation on their part I can only presume your sole purpose on posting at all is to provoke such a response.
YOU PAID FOR YOUR REASONS, I PAID FOR MINE, BUT DOESN'T MAKE US SUPERIOR IN ANY WAY TO THOSE WHO CANT PAY!
90,000 MORTGAGES ARE COMPROMISED TO SOME DEGREE , IF 90,000 PEOPLE CANT PAY THEIR MORTGAGES HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ARGUE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THIS NEW TAX?

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:18pm

squod wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I can't afford my asthma medication either but will still be paying this charge and then spend weeks trying to gather enough for my inhalers bit of careful budgeting and I'll manage.

Jaysus. There is no getting through. I really think you need some third party independent advice on this. Would your doctor recommend prioritising some useless tax over your health? Would anyone (aside from you)?

No but my point was through some careful budgeting I can do both so no need to prioritise one over the other.

steddyeddy · 08-02-2012 8:21pm

This government lacked the balls to seek a write down in our debt but had the brass neck to go for the easy option and tax the people, many of whom cant afford it. Not supporting that stance to be honest.

RandomName2 · 08-02-2012 8:23pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Shush and please don't try patronise me. As I have stated on numerous occasions this thread is about the household charge which is €100 so that is what's being discussed here. So when that changes we will discuss the new levels then as it is quite hard to talk about something when you only have imaginary figures to go on.

Ok so do you understand? Doubtful that you do but sure hey!!!

Don't mean to interrupt the mud slinging between you and tayto lover but it is very obvious that the tax is going to be multiples of its current form next year. You might say that that is merely hypothetical (despite the fact that the government has promised such an increase), but you could equally say that the €100 property tax is hypothetical and that it may be abolished next week with people who have already paid it being refunded.

I mean, in all seriousness, €100 is neither here nor there. Most of us here could earn it in a day or two (provided that you have work). But that clearly isn't the point - the long term ramifications of this tax are what are important, not the immediate consequences. Sure I wouldn't mind too much is the property tax was a one-off payment, never to be mentioned again, and cost €1000. I wouldn't be happy, sure, but I could cope with that.

This tax is seemingly permanent, without bounds, lightly dressed up as "rates" but is in reality the bailout tax - but may well persist even after the bailout is paid back (which in itself may be a very long time).

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 8:23pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I read the thread tayto. You don't seem able to read though otherwise you would answer questions when asked. And show me where I have insulted anyone any more than you? And what exactly is it that I will get please enlighten me would be great to hear?

Ah now I really think everyone has you summed up correctly. You don't understand because you can't.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:24pm

lividduck wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I can't afford my asthma medication either but will still be paying this charge and then spend weeks trying to gather enough for my inhalers bit of careful budgeting and I'll manage.

I have paid the tax, however I resent it. You earlier stated that you had PROVED that €2 per week was affordable to everyone, I asked you which post you had proved it in. You response was trite, amd failed totally to address the issues I raised.
Having trawled back through the posts on this thread I note that you seem bent on inciting an emotional response from the anti-campaign in order to somehow portray yourself as superior or more civic minded than them. while I abhor totally some of the scandelous name calling and misrepresentation on their part I can only presume your sole purpose on posting at all is to provoke such a response.
YOU PAID FOR YOUR REASONS, I PAID FOR MINE, BUT DOESN'T MAKE US SUPERIOR IN ANY WAY TO THOSE WHO CANT PAY!
90,000 MORTGAGES ARE COMPROMISED TO SOME DEGREE , IF 90,000 PEOPLE CANT PAY THEIR MORTGAGES HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ARGUE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THIS NEW TAX?

Because its €2 per week it's that simple. Start at the beginning and find a post that states the charge is €100 per year or €2 per week and there is your proof.

I have said I will pay the charge and some silly people here have decided to abuse every post I make. They have proven to me their true worth and do it doesn't bother me what they say. But if they want to behave in that manner I will call them on it not to gain an emotional response but to call them on their shortcomings and childish behaviour.

I have said all along if you want to pay it then do so and if you choose not to pay it then it's your choice. Never have I told anyone to pay it unlike the anti brigade who are telling everyone to break the law.

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2012 8:34pm

This is either good or bad news for the economy depending on whether saving money or spending it is the better course to generate economic activity. (48% of people saving regularly)

http://www.businessandfinance.ie/cat_news_detail.jsp?itemID=4288

But it sheds some light on the Household Charge affordability debate. Along with the spending on foreign holidays and other items like Sky TV I am encouraged that a substantial number of the 1.6 million householders are in a good position to pay this tax. (€5 billion on foreign holidays, 670,000 paying for Sky, 375,000 UPC)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0128/1224310869655.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/theindex/2011/01/07/will-sky-atlantic-be-a-dealbreaker-for-upc-customers

These groups are obviously relatively prosperous compared to the other group reported on here who cannot afford the €100. If those people manage to sustain their ownership of a private house for the next year despite not being able to budget for €2 a week unfortunately they will have put themselves in the position of owing €142.

No doubt members of both groups will say "I'm not paying until Bertie goes to jail" or suchlike but this is actually not a tenable argument legally.

PS I'm writing about the €100 this year only.

squod · 08-02-2012 8:45pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is either good or bad news for the economy depending on whether saving money or spending it is the better course to generate economic activity. (48% of people saving regularly)

http://www.businessandfinance.ie/cat_news_detail.jsp?itemID=4288

But it sheds some light on the Household Charge affordability debate. Along with the spending on foreign holidays and other items like Sky TV I am encouraged that a substantial number of the 1.6 million householders are in a good position to pay this tax. (€5 billion on foreign holidays, 670,000 paying for Sky, 375,000 UPC)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0128/1224310869655.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/theindex/2011/01/07/will-sky-atlantic-be-a-dealbreaker-for-upc-customers

These groups are obviously relatively prosperous compared to the other group reported on here who cannot afford the €100. If those people manage to sustain their ownership of a private house for the next year despite not being able to budget for €2 a week unfortunately they will have put themselves in the position of owing €142.

No doubt members of both groups will say "I'm not paying until Bertie goes to jail" or suchlike but this is actually not a tenable argument legally.

PS I'm writing about the €100 this year only.

I'm reposting my previous response to a similar point made earlier.

squod wrote: »

.........Except in the instance of property tax which has traditionally been ignored and has failed on two previous occasions here and once in the UK.

Quote:
Of the 1.12 million households in Ireland in 1996, 1.1 million did not pay the tax

Again the Government is simply backing a non-runner with this issue. That's absolutely clear.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...310052193.html

Quote:
......we don’t have local democracy. We barely even have local government. In most developed countries, about half of all tax revenue is spent at local level. In Ireland, just 6 per cent is. So the demand should be clear: give us real democratic local control over the revenue and we’ll pay a fair property tax

.

My position on this again.

squod wrote: »

There's no reason to attach a council tax to your property. If the government wants a council tax then call it council tax.

A property tax is literally outrageous. Attaching a yearly levy to your home is quite threatening. There's also no sign of this thing being performance rated.
Yet again the PS worker will just pocket 60% to pay someone's pension scheme and the tax payer will get the scraps.

Standing up for yourself is what democracy is about. If enough people do this, laws get changed.

*Sorry for the long post everyone.*

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2012 8:53pm

squod wrote: »

I'm reposting my previous response to a similar point made earlier.

My position on this again.

Standing up for yourself is what democracy is about. If enough people do this, laws get changed.

*Sorry for the long post everyone.*

I will repeat an earlier post of mine as well. There is zero reason for 5% having paid two months ahead of the deadline. If enough people had voted Socialist then there would be no tax, that is democracy in action.

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 9:11pm

lividduck wrote: »

YOU PAID FOR YOUR REASONS, I PAID FOR MINE, BUT DOESN'T MAKE US SUPERIOR IN ANY WAY TO THOSE WHO CANT PAY!
90,000 MORTGAGES ARE COMPROMISED TO SOME DEGREE , IF 90,000 PEOPLE CANT PAY THEIR MORTGAGES HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ARGUE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THIS NEW TAX?

Nor does it make you superior to anyone who refuses to pay this unjust, imoral, corrupt tax out of principle.

For people with true principles, it's actually an irelevant if the tax is 2 cent per week or 2 euro per week.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 9:13pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

lividduck wrote: »

YOU PAID FOR YOUR REASONS, I PAID FOR MINE, BUT DOESN'T MAKE US SUPERIOR IN ANY WAY TO THOSE WHO CANT PAY!
90,000 MORTGAGES ARE COMPROMISED TO SOME DEGREE , IF 90,000 PEOPLE CANT PAY THEIR MORTGAGES HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ARGUE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THIS NEW TAX?

Nor does it make you superior to anyone who refuses to pay this unjust, imoral, corrupt tax out of principle.

For people with true principles, it's actually an irelevant if the tax is 2 cent per week or 2 euro per week.

So anyone that has paid this tax or intends to pay it doesn't have any principles?

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 9:17pm

donalg1 wrote: »

So anyone that has paid this tax or intends to pay it doesn't have any principles?

“It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home” – Enda Kenny, 1994

None worth standing up for it seems.

Paying the charge, bending over, and sticking your cowardly head in the sand, while leaving your compliant servile ass in the air for riding at will by the corrupt golden circle, is far from a worthy principle.

lividduck · 08-02-2012 9:19pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Nor does it make you superior to anyone who refuses to pay this unjust, imoral, corrupt tax out of principle.

For people with true principles, it's actually an irelevant if the tax is 2 cent per week or 2 euro per week.

I agree, no one is superior because they paid or didn't pay.
And I repect both your point of view and your right to hold it and to try to persuade others of it.
What I dont agree with is the manner you sometimes go about that but I think that at times you have been prevoked beyond reason.

lividduck · 08-02-2012 9:21pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

None worth standing up for it seems.

Paying the charge, sticking your cowardly head in the sand, and leaving your compliant servile ass in the air for riding by the golden circle, is far from a worthy principle.

Quadratic, I paid, but I dont insult or abuse those who cant, or those who on principle wont.
I fail to see how that makes me servile, or an apt oppertunity for a raping by the "Golden Circle".
Is it not possible that we could hold slightly differing positions yet be respectful to each other?

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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