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    #62
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Adyx wrote: »
    I notice you keep mentioning young men. What about the older men and women of all ages that utilise porn? Do they not fit your stereotype so you pretend it doesn't happen?



    Does your ideology demand that I look at all groups equally? All groups are worthy of our attention, yet studies have shown that all groups are not equal in this case. Young men are suffering that most from this particular addiction. Also, I happen to be a young man who is concerned about my peers, so therefore of course I'd give extra attention to those who suffer and concern me the most.

    Your view is based on assumptions. You want to talk about 'the dangers of religion' and a fake equality when I am referring to evidence collected in a more empirical way. I'm talking about the problem in a rational way so you want to bring up nonsense.


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    #63
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,586 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Did the OP have to be p0rn0prince before he became p0rn0king?


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    #64
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Christ the Redeemer wrote: »
    It's pictures and videos of people ****ing. Only cretinous religious types and hyper feminists oppose it.

    And a host scientists, psychiatrists and researchers for very different reasons.. Youre living a pseudo-intellectual dichotomy that just doesn't exist. Old habits die hard eh?


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    #65
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    philologos wrote: »
    I think it is.

    Firstly, it promotes treating people as sexual objects rather than in their fullness as human beings. Pornography is dehumanising and degrading.

    Secondly, it promotes an unnatural idea of sexuality. Namely that if people base their point of view of sexuality on pornography eventually they suspect that all their sexual encounters must of necessity be similar to this.

    Thirdly, if one is in a relationship or a marriage, pornography is essentially saying that you can't find full sexual satisfaction in your partner. Personally that's on par with marital infidelity to me. There's very little difference between this and actually having sex with someone else. If you desire someone else sexually and someone else is fulfilling your sexual desires in the case of marriage that's on par with adultery.

    Fourthly, pornography can be addictive and it can lead people into a pattern of behaviour that they never wanted to begin with. Sex addiction in any form can be extremely difficult to break without considerably willpower. Thankfully more and more people are starting to speak out against this and provide assistance to those who want it.

    Fifthly, no matter how much we deny it what we watch and what we listen to has an impact on how we view others around us. This is probably quite linked to the second point. People say that pornography insofar as it is private does no harm to society. The reality is that that isn't true. It mightn't cause direct harm (except in the case of marital situations, or in the case of a relationship where it will affect your partner directly) but I think it does cause indirect harm as our attitudes change towards women. Moreover I think that pornography, or even just lad's mags, the Sun and anything else that falls into the light-porn side of it produces in particular a sexist attitude towards women.

    Finally, pornography sexually exploits the actors in it. This is strongly linked to point 1 but I can't support an industry that profiteers from sexual exploitation. One doesn't know the full context behind those acting in it, and it is highly possible that in a number of cases that these people are in this against their will. Moreover, I think if many of us were to think "what if that was my daughter" their thoughts towards pornography as an industry would change.

    Feel free to pick these up with me. I disagree very strongly with the porn industry and think it is destructive. It doesn't free anything up. Pornography enslaves if anything.

    1: I love my wife, I have sex with her. At some point, she's going to be a sexual object for me, men view women as a route to getting their hole to some extent. Nothing to do with porn. Deal with it.

    2: Do I base my view of reality on Batman movies, Superman, The Nightmare on Elm street series. Did I run out after seeing Love Hate and start dealing drugs? Cop on. You watch fiction, you suspend disbelief.

    3: You do realize humans masturbate, married or not right? You do understand we've imaginations. To that regard, I've cheated on my wife with everyone from the office receptionist to Jessica Alba. Don't tell the wife, yeah? I dont think she'd like to think it wasn't just pornstars on was cheating on her with!

    4: I know people addicted to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, jelly tots (I'm not joking), Chinese food, prescription drugs...the list is endless, and in varying degrees of severity. If you're addicted to keeping your garden perfect, do we need a support group? No, would be the answer there.

    5: Yeah, again connected to my second point (you do like a good repetitive moan dont ya?) - I thin you need to understand that men and women like sex, and our attitudes have been formed by this since time began. Build a bridge...

    Lastly: "They're not doing what I feel comfortable with so therefore it's bad. I cannot back up my opinion so I will just assume these people are being exploited". Common enough position.

    Can I ask you a question? When did you get the internet in your convent?


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    #66
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Eramen wrote: »
    I happen to be a young man who is concerned about my peers

    No need. Downloading torrents is an anonymous activity with no social niceties to observe.


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    #67
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    oh ffs before porn it was dirty mags before dirty mags it was having an imagination, humans masturbate, we've been at it since we showed up in this world and society hasnt disappeared yet, its perfectly natural get over it


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    #68
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    oh ffs before porn it was dirty mags before dirty mags it was sexual imagery in painting and sculpture, before that it was paintings on cave walls, before that it was having an imagination, humans masturbate, we've been at it since we showed up in this world and society hasnt disappeared yet, its perfectly natural get over it

    FYP :pac:


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    #69
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    No need. Downloading torrents is an anonymous activity with no social niceties to observe.



    My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings. I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.


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    #70
    TheoBane
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    "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks

    I Believe fully on what Hick's say's, What business is it of your's what i do as long as i don't harm or affect anyone else in this world. I think we need to set up meeting's for Control Freak's, put them all into a room and lock the door. See what happen's then.


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    #71
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    oh ffs before porn it was dirty mags before dirty mags it was having an imagination, humans masturbate, we've been at it since we showed up in this world and society hasnt disappeared yet, its perfectly natural get over it

    Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.


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    #72
    granturismo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Eramen wrote: »
    Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.

    So saith the Youth Defence League.


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    #73
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Eramen wrote: »
    My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings. I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.

    Jesus, if your friends are so concerned you should support them in 'regaining their masculinity' because they need to man the f'uck up, switch of the laptop and do something productive. Porn isn't the problem by the sounds of it, they seem to be lazy with no willpower. 'Pussies' we call them in normal man speak.

    You sound like a barrell of laughs anyway. I'm getting the impression you're in a certain course in Maynooth college the way you're talking.

    BTW: sure sign of being a (real) man is a propensity to rate women based on idiotic criteria. We've been at it for a few million years now. :rolleyes:


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    #74
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    TheoBane wrote: »
    "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks

    I Believe fully on what Hick's say's, What business is it of your's what i do as long as i don't harm or affect anyone else in this world. I think we need to set up meeting's for Control Freak's, put them all into a room and lock the door. See what happen's then.

    Would you not even drop your torrents for the sake of self-betterment; to use your new-found time to do something productive? Please stop acting so childish, I'm not your mother saying you can/can't do something.. I've presented to you new info, perhaps read up and then make a judgment. Wouldn't that be an idea? I think you are misjudging who is the fanatic here..


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    #75
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    TheoBane wrote: »
    "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks

    Bill Hicks is quoted almost exclusively by people who have absolutely no beliefs of their own. And he really wasn't that funny.
    TheoBane wrote: »

    i don't harm or affect anyone else in this world. I think we need to set up meeting's for Control Freak's, put them all into a room and lock the door. See what happen's then.

    Oh the sweet and overwhelming irony.


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    #76
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Eramen wrote: »
    My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings. I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.

    Ahh, it always comes down to this kind of grand and ultimately pathetic delusion.


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    #77
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Eramen wrote: »
    Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.

    eh as far as i know humans have always gravitated towards sex, i suppose you could say most of us as are addicted to it which is how we have evolved (whether with another human or not) and my argument is that people have been doing it as long as people have been and yet its never caused any serious problems, it aint the medium its the user


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    #78
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Eramen wrote: »
    Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.

    so masturbation addiction is not natural? Tell to to every 14 year old boy in the world and see how f'ucked up that'll make society.

    Would be harder than giving up heroin. They'd even **** in their sleep!


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    #79
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm single at the moment so it's useful when I feel the need for a hand shandy.


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    #80
    aidan24326
    Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    philologos wrote: »
    Pornography is dehumanising and degrading.

    Even if the actors involved are, god forbid, actually enjoying it? (yes even women do enjoy sex aswell, whisper whisper)


    Namely that if people base their point of view of sexuality on pornography eventually they suspect that all their sexual encounters must of necessity be similar to this.

    That, in the real world, simply isn't true. Sure a 15 year old boy who hasn't lost his virginity might get an unrealistic perspective but he'll learn soon enough. Porn is a fantasy world very easily separated from real life. And you know what? (whisper it quietly) some women actually enjoy porn too, and some may even like to incorporate it into their sex life. Tut tut.

    Thirdly, if one is in a relationship or a marriage, pornography is essentially saying that you can't find full sexual satisfaction in your partner. Personally that's on par with marital infidelity to me. There's very little difference between this and actually having sex with someone else.

    Sorry Philologos but that is just total nonsense. Go over to The Ladies Lounge and start a poll titled 'Would you consider your boyfriend/husband masturbating to porn to be the same as him having an affair with the office secretary' and I think you'll get your answer on that one. 90% will say absolutely not. (the 10% who say yes simply have issues with porn for whatever reason). They're two different things entirely.

    Pornography enslaves if anything.

    Female pornstars get well paid for doing what they propbably enjoy for the most part (and we can safely assume the guys enjoy it too). So if you're looking for 'enslaved' victims in society I suggest you look elsewhere.


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    #81
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    granturismo wrote: »
    So saith the Youth Defence League.



    Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.

    A real shame! I've come here and presented level-headed arguments yet you've proved incapable of debate or of being able to digest the material presented. You disagree with me, so call me "youth defense". It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.


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    #82
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Eramen wrote: »
    Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.

    Statement seems balanced, thought through, reflective and no doubt backed up by scientific evidence.

    I'm gonna take a chance on this: on behalf of the men of Ireland, please go take a nice long bath with your favorite electrical appliance.


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    #83
    granturismo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Eramen wrote: »
    It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.

    Its After Hours, not the debating club, enough said.


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    #84
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Eramen wrote: »



    Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.

    You do realise that porn is a massive industry in Poland, right?


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    #85
    aidan24326
    Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Eramen wrote: »
    Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.

    A real shame! I've come here and presented level-headed arguments yet you've proved incapable of debate or of being able to digest the material presented. You disagree with me, so call me "youth defense". It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.


    Does not compute.


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    #86
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,232 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Eramen wrote: »
    Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.
    Not natural? Do you realise you're chatting to someone through a computer? Or is google chrome completely natural on the laptop you picked from a tree?


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    #87
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    so masturbation addiction is not natural? Tell to to every 14 year old boy in the world and see how f'ucked up that'll make society.

    Would be harder than giving up heroin. They'd even **** in their sleep!

    Every 14 yo boy isn't getting the simulation he needs, that's why!

    Porn is a stimulant and results in very specific behavior patterns like all other stimulants. 14 yo boys aren't being challenged mentally or physically by computer games, FB or schooling, so they are resorting to other things that give them that high they so need, and not just orgasming.

    What they lack is real direction, encouraging and community, things that challenge and brings them to a new level of understanding to enable them to act as men. The current social and cultural norms have failed in regards to bringing up sound individuals. Look at all the violence, suicide, alcoholism and anti-social activity among men. It's a clear indication that something is very wrong. Yet it is ignored by most official sources, because men are now bottom of the pile.

    There is no hard value to be found in hollywood, social network sites and tv. These aren't adequate for a young man or teenager to measure himself against. It doesn't invite an attitude of reflection and action based on solid logic, responsibility or values.

    Look at most older Irish men - the possible destination of our youth - pub dwelling, gambling, organized sports chasers.. this is weakness. They have no social order and are not respected by their women, children, foreigners, the ruling class etc all with good cause. It's being that they are weak and comically trivial.. and I don't say that lightly. Modern Irish men are passive, apathetic, accepting of the unacceptable, excuse-makers, and above all push-overs all because they are afraid of responsibility and to take the bull by the horns.

    All I am saying is take control of yourself once more, as this is the way to actual character/skill building, to social responsibility, and lastly self-respect. Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country. This is the positive note I wish to bring to this whole argument.

    Try the No Fap challenge. If you think watching and **** to porn 'makes no difference' then you are wrong (in the vast majority of cases). Try it out and you can see for yourself. Check out the links in my sig, some of them at least will be appealing to you depending on who you are.


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    #88
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Eramen, What if i told you that i find your posts highly erotic and was engaged in furiously self abuse as i read them? Would you say that boards.ie was socially destructive and should be shut down?


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    #89
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Eramen wrote: »
    Every 14 yo boy isn't getting the simulation he needs, that's why!

    Porn is a stimulant and results in very specific behavior patterns like all other stimulants. 14 yo boys aren't being challenged mentally or physically by computer games, FB or schooling, so they are resorting to other things that give them that high they so need, and not just orgasming.

    What they lack is real direction, encouraging and community, things that challenge and brings them to a new level of understanding to enable them to act as men. The current social and cultural norms have failed in regards to bringing up sound individuals. Look at all the violence, suicide, alcoholism and anti-social activity among men. It's a clear indication that something is very wrong. Yet it is ignored by most official sources, because men are now bottom of the pile.

    There is no hard value to be found in hollywood, social network sites and tv. These aren't adequate for a young man or teenager to measure himself against. It doesn't invite an attitude of reflection and action based on solid logic, responsibility or values.

    Look at most older Irish men - the possible destination of our youth - pub dwelling, gambling, organized sports chasers.. this is weakness. They have no social order and are not respected by their women, children, foreigners, the ruling class etc all with good cause. It's being that they are weak.. and I don't say that lightly. Modern Irish men are passive, apathetic, accepting of the unacceptable, excuse-makers, and above all push-overs all because they are afraid of responsibility and to take the bull by the horns.

    All I am saying is take control of yourself once more, as this is the way to actual character/skill building, to social responsibility, and lastly self-respect. Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country. This is the positive note I wish to bring to this whole argument.

    Try the No Fap challenge. If you think watching and **** to porn 'makes no difference' then you are wrong (in the vast majority of cases). Try it out and you can see for yourself. Check out the links in my sig, some of them at least will be appealing to you depending on who you are.

    You know, I’d actually already typed 3 paragraphs of a response but I think this will just sum up:

    “Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country”

    Stop **** lads, you’re ruining the country.



    :rolleyes:


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    #90
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Eramen wrote: »
    Every 14 yo boy isn't getting the simulation he needs, that's why!

    Porn is a stimulant and results in very specific behavior patterns like all other stimulants. 14 yo boys aren't being challenged mentally or physically by computer games, FB or schooling, so they are resorting to other things that give them that high they so need, and not just orgasming.

    What they lack is real direction, encouraging and community, things that challenge and brings them to a new level of understanding to enable them to act as men. The current social and cultural norms have failed in regards to bringing up sound individuals. Look at all the violence, suicide, alcoholism and anti-social activity among men. It's a clear indication that something is very wrong. Yet it is ignored by most official sources, because men are now bottom of the pile.

    There is no hard value to be found in hollywood, social network sites and tv. These aren't adequate for a young man or teenager to measure himself against. It doesn't invite an attitude of reflection and action based on solid logic, responsibility or values.

    Look at most older Irish men - the possible destination of our youth - pub dwelling, gambling, organized sports chasers.. this is weakness. They have no social order and are not respected by their women, children, foreigners, the ruling class etc all with good cause. It's being that they are weak and comically trivial.. and I don't say that lightly. Modern Irish men are passive, apathetic, accepting of the unacceptable, excuse-makers, and above all push-overs all because they are afraid of responsibility and to take the bull by the horns.

    All I am saying is take control of yourself once more, as this is the way to actual character/skill building, to social responsibility, and lastly self-respect. Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country. This is the positive note I wish to bring to this whole argument.

    Try the No Fap challenge. If you think watching and **** to porn 'makes no difference' then you are wrong (in the vast majority of cases). Try it out and you can see for yourself. Check out the links in my sig, some of them at least will be appealing to you depending on who you are.

    "Shallow Hal wants a Gal"


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    #91
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Eramen wrote: »
    My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings.

    Where are these young men who are fed up of porn? I'm interested as i could never imagine such a group coming together. Where do they meet? What are the items on their agenda? Or is this simply a sub-group created in your head?

    Rating women based on idiotic criteria? Men don't rate women on how good they would be in a porn. By the time one would discover the answer it would already be too late. Men use other ways of "rating" women such as their personality, looks, intelligence, sense of humour etc. If you think men rate women based on watching dirty housewives having sex with black pool-cleaners then it is you who doesnt give himself enough credit as a man. Or maybe you do, meaning it is your own thoughts that need looking at, not a broad brushing of 3 billion men.
    Eramen wrote: »
    I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.

    I am really really glad i don't fit into what is going on in your head. Do you think it is masculine to sit online and make presumptions on people based on flippant off-hand remarks they make on a boards forum? Not very masculine is it? A bit whiney and preachy actually.


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