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Bodkin / Headford Road roundabout replacement [Lights are on!]

  • 28-10-2011 8:10pm
    #1
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    Galway city council have published their plan to replace the Bodkin / Headford Road roundabout

    http://www.galwaycity.ie/GeneralNews/251011_01.html

    The pdf plan is here:
    http://www.galwaycity.ie/GeneralNews/281011_03.pdf

    The entrance to the Galway shopping center will be replaced by a left in left out slip road from the Sean Mulvoy road.

    There will be an additional entrance to the shopping center from the Headford road.

    Traffic will be able to turn right to get into the places on the Sean Mulvoy road.

    There will be a two lane slip road for traffic coming from the bridge and turning left onto the Headford road.

    I think it is good that the GSC entrance is going - will anyone miss this roundabout?


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  • #2
    EverEvolving
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    Well considering I've just learned how to use it I might miss it a little but YEAH - it's a nightmare to use.


  • #3
    Iwannahurl
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    I hate Galway's roundabouts, so good riddance to the lot of them.

    The Bodkin Circus of Horrors was always a sick joke.

    That said, it is reported on the front page of today's City Tribune (delivered to me by express long-distance heavyweight carrier-pigeon) that the N6 Multimodal Corridor Scheme will not be completed in time for the Volvo Ocean Race.

    Another sick joke. Supporting this project is like being in favour of law and order but with the Keystone Cops as the only available enforcers.


  • #4
    Padkir
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    Am I the only one who thinks it's one of the better functioning roundabouts in Galway?? Once you get used to it, it works quite well I think, the main problem being only one slip road for turning across Terryland coming from the Quin bridge, because that's the way the bulk of the traffic flows!

    I think there are a lot more problems with other junctions and roundabouts around the city!

    The only problem with this one are people are afraid to use it and don't know how to use it!

    Although in saying that, I was always baffled why there were lights from every entrance onto it except for the one coming from say Lidl...I'll admit it's sometimes a nightmare to get on from that side!!


  • #5
    snubbleste
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    Padkir wrote: »
    Although in saying that, I was always baffled why there were lights from every entrance onto it except for the one coming from say Lidl...I'll admit it's sometimes a nightmare to get on from that side!!

    There are five road entrances and of those, three have lights.

    The important thing is for those who wish to do so is you can submit your views/notions/better job on the project to the Council by 23 December 2011. I don't want to hear any complaints next year about it y'hear :cool:


  • #6
    Iwannahurl
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    Padkir wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks it's one of the better functioning roundabouts in Galway?? Once you get used to it, it works quite well I think, the main problem being only one slip road for turning across Terryland coming from the Quin bridge, because that's the way the bulk of the traffic flows!

    I think there are a lot more problems with other junctions and roundabouts around the city!

    The only problem with this one are people are afraid to use it and don't know how to use it!

    Although in saying that, I was always baffled why there were lights from every entrance onto it except for the one coming from say Lidl...I'll admit it's sometimes a nightmare to get on from that side!!




    Have you tried crossing from the Dun na Coiribe side to the Omniplex side when two lines of vehicles are accelerating towards you, potentially from different angles?

    Have you tried to cross carrying shopping bags? Tried to cross with a buggy? Tried to cross in or with a wheelchair? Tried to cross partially sighted or mobility-impaired?

    And have you tried cycling through it in all possible directions?


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  • #7
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    More bull s**t form galway city council, if they are not stopped they will ruin the city. The vast majority of people are totally against removing the roundabouts but it appears there is nothing that can be done to stop them.


  • #8
    snubbleste
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    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    More bull s**t form galway city council, if they are not stopped they will ruin the city. The vast majority of people motorists are totally against removing the roundabouts but it appears there is nothing that can be done to stop them.
    :)


  • #9
    [Deleted User]
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    :)

    Yes, in other words the people that matter when we are talking about things that effect traffic flow.


  • #10
    snubbleste
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    The Council have to take into account all modes of traffic when providing infrastructure, not just listen to the louder lobby group as in the past ie. the motorist


  • #11
    EverEvolving
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭EverEvolving


    Padkir wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks it's one of the better functioning roundabouts in Galway?? Once you get used to it, it works quite well I think, the main problem being only one slip road for turning across Terryland coming from the Quin bridge, because that's the way the bulk of the traffic flows!

    Therein lies the problem ... you shouldn't really have to get used to it, how many people pass through and visit Galway (ans: a lot!), so there are always going to be people unsure of which exit to take using it. IMO it would have been better to put full traffic light controls there (getting rid of the roundbout) and leave the Briarhill roundabout alone as it was fine as it was.


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  • #12
    El_Dangeroso
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    Good riddance! I live by those traffic lights and it's like a game of frogger walking into town most days.

    I've also seen 4 collisions happen in front of my eyes there in the last year. Nothing worse than the look of sheer terror on the face of a D-reg driver going around that roundabout.. although that was a little entertaining I'll admit.:D


  • #13
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    Yes, in other words the people that matter when we are talking about things that effect traffic flow.



    A common attitude, and one that has led us inexorably to the unsustainable traffic and transportation mess we are currently in.

    At least you're honest, unlike some of the mandarins in City Hall and elsewhere!


  • #14
    dr.bollocko
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    There is an inside lane that appears near the tesco exit. It's designed to allow people to go further round the roundabout than the right lane exit towards the bridge. Totally reasonable. Good idea to have that lane there. Has to be done. So many people leave their lane, go into this new lane, then roll back into the lane to exit going over the quincentennial right in front of me.

    Why do they do that?


  • #15
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    There is an inside lane that appears near the tesco exit. It's designed to allow people to go further round the roundabout than the right lane exit towards the bridge. Totally reasonable. Good idea to have that lane there. Has to be done. So many people leave their lane, go into this new lane, then roll back into the lane to exit going over the quincentennial right in front of me.

    Why do they do that?



    Because it's a crap, confusing roundabout?

    Are you talking about the lane that suddently sprouts from the centre island?

    Is that standardised engineering practice, or an Irish solution to an Irish problem?

    I've seen foreign visitors struggling to navigate the road markings and signals on the Bodkin Roundabout (one lot shouted apologetically to me, "we're German!") so it's clearly not an intuitive design.

    Irish motorists find Irish roundabouts generally tricky to navigate, and the Bodkin is one of the worst. Imagine how cyclists, pedestrians, disabled people and senior citizens must feel.


  • #16
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Because it's a crap, confusing roundabout?

    Are you talking about the lane that suddently sprouts from the centre island?

    Is that standardised engineering practice, or an Irish solution to an Irish problem?

    I've seen foreign visitors struggling to navigate the road markings and signals on the Bodkin Roundabout (one lot shouted apologetically to me, "we're German!") so it's clearly not an intuitive design.

    Irish motorists find Irish roundabouts generally tricky to navigate, and the Bodkin is one of the worst. Imagine how cyclists, pedestrians, disabled people and senior citizens must feel.

    I have no problem whatsoever using that roundabout and don't see why people find it so difficult to be honest.


  • #17
    Iwannahurl
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    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    I have no problem whatsoever using that roundabout and don't see why people motorists find it so difficult to be honest.


    FYP again. ;)


  • #18
    Head The Wall
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    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    I have no problem whatsoever using that roundabout and don't see why people find it so difficult to be honest.
    They find it so difficult for the very same reason that 50% of people fail their driving test, they can't or won't pay fuppin attention to all the signs, lanes, markings on road, cop on etc


  • #19
    El_Dangeroso
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    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    I have no problem whatsoever using that roundabout and don't see why people find it so difficult to be honest.

    Really? Really?? You have no idea? I don't believe you. I think you're just used to it and are therefore inconsiderate of all the poor people who are not used to it.


  • #20
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Head The Wall wrote: »
    They find it so difficult for the very same reason that 50% of people fail their driving test, they can't or won't pay fuppin attention to all the signs, lanes, markings on road, cop on etc


    Do have any insights regarding the lane that suddently sprouts from the centre island?

    I remember my surprise when I first saw it. I have never encountered the likes before or since, but if there are examples in other countries/cities or in roads engineering manuals etc I would be interested to hear of them. Certainly not covered in the RoTR, which isn't of much help to learner drivers.

    There's also the small matter of the absence of signals at 5 and 7 o'clock (in terms of location, not time!). This makes a hames of traffic flow, IMO, as well as creating difficulty for pedestrians and cyclists trying to cross, especially when vehicles are accelerating off the roundabout towards the bridge.


  • #21
    Mrs OBumble
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    Padkir wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks it's one of the better functioning roundabouts in Galway??


    Well I guess the ambulance officers appreciate it, 'cos it keeps them in work ... other than that, I can't think of anyone who likes it.


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  • #22
    Head The Wall
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Do have any insights regarding the lane that suddently sprouts from the centre island?

    I remember my surprise when I first saw it. I have never encountered the likes before or since, but if there are examples in other countries/cities or in roads engineering manuals etc I would be interested to hear of them. Certainly not covered in the RoTR, which isn't of much help to learner drivers.

    There's also the small matter of the absence of signals at 5 and 7 o'clock (in terms of location, not time!). This makes a hames of traffic flow, IMO, as well as creating difficulty for pedestrians and cyclists trying to cross, especially when vehicles are accelerating off the roundabout towards the bridge.
    I have stated before that as a truck driver my job would usually involve driving to different places a lot of the time and tackling all types of juctions, roundabouts, lane manouevres etc. It is a rare occasion I would have any issues like people have with this roundabout, to me most people are just winging it going into it and don't make them selves aware of the signage and marking about it.

    As regards the lane that sprouts, it's simple really if there is no car in it you are not cutting anyone of so use it if you need it. Otherwise keep following the lane thats straight ahead.


  • #23
    Iwannahurl
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    I'm still interested to know whether the Lane from Nowhere on the Magic Roundabout is a Galway City Council invention, or whether it can be found in any roads engineering manual anywhere else in the world.


  • #24
    Webbs
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    How do you get from Tescos car park onto the Sean Mulvoy Road. cant really work it out from the map as is early in the morning!!


  • #25
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    I guess it is needed to have three lanes exiting from the Headford road coming from town.

    Recently I was a passenger coming from that exit - we were in the middle lane heading straight out the Headford road and so heading for the middle lane at the lights. The car to the left of us drove straight out and ignored the round part of a roundabout and headed for the middle lane.

    As it was a nice day we both had our windows open and the other driver shouted that we were in her lane. I pointed out that she had gone from the outermost lane to the middle one. She wasn't happy.
    Webbs wrote: »
    How do you get from Tescos car park onto the Sean Mulvoy Road. cant really work it out from the map as is early in the morning!!
    You exit onto the Headford road and use the lights I think.


  • #26
    Padkir
    Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Padkir


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I guess it is needed to have three lanes exiting from the Headford road coming from town.

    Recently I was a passenger coming from that exit - we were in the middle lane heading straight out the Headford road and so heading for the middle lane at the lights. The car to the left of us drove straight out and ignored the round part of a roundabout and headed for the middle lane.

    As it was a nice day we both had our windows open and the other driver shouted that we were in her lane. I pointed out that she had gone from the outermost lane to the middle one. She wasn't happy.

    Yeah, people seem to have a lot of trouble with keeping to the far left when in the left lane entering a roundabout, not just at this roundabout either!

    It's especially idiotic when there's a truck inside them and they force the truck up onto the curb of the roundabout itself, then complain about aggressive and intimidating truck drivers if they're hooted at!


  • #27
    McTigs
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    Arielle Mango Rip-off wrote: »
    More bull s**t form galway city council, if they are not stopped they will ruin the city. The vast majority of people are totally against removing the roundabouts but it appears there is nothing that can be done to stop them.
    A small minority of people petrified of change who shout and tantrum louder than everybody else does not a vast majority make


  • #28
    dr.bollocko
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    5pm today and this roundabout was fooked. Chaos. I cautiously welcome the changes.


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
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    McTigs wrote: »
    A small minority of people petrified of change who shout and tantrum louder than everybody else does not a vast majority make

    Everybody I know is complaining about the roundabouts being changed and thats from a varied mix of people, young, old etc.

    Just look at the mess that is moneen. Sitting in traffic for 10 mins on a bloody sunday evening. Fook of traffic lights.


  • #30
    Iwannahurl
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    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    There is an inside lane that appears near the tesco exit. It's designed to allow people to go further round the roundabout than the right lane exit towards the bridge. Totally reasonable. Good idea to have that lane there. Has to be done.





    Still waiting for someone, especially fans of the Bodkin, to point to a similar layout elsewhere or in any roads engineering manual.

    I'm not saying it's non-standard, just that I've personally never seen the likes before.

    No takers then?


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  • #31
    Head The Wall
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Still waiting for someone, especially fans of the Bodkin, to point to a similar layout elsewhere or in any roads engineering manual.

    I'm not saying it's non-standard, just that I've personally never seen the likes before.

    No takers then?

    Stick this in your pipe and smoke it :D

    IMG_1520.JPG


  • #32
    dr.bollocko
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    I was at that roundabout at the Arc de triomphe recently. It's quite hypnotising actually. My take on it is the difference there is that that roundabout is a kind of an organised chaos.
    Those are some good drivers in constant peril vs. in Galway you have terrible drivers causing constant peril.


  • #33
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Ah yes, the Arc de Triomphe. Perhaps the presence of twelve radiating avenues is an ideal way to demonstrate the clock method of negotiating roundabouts? After a lesson or two even Galway drivers might at last be able to rise to the challenge of properly using this three-arm roundabout in Salthill.

    A few points, in no particular order: 1. the Arc de Triomphe was designed and constructed with only horses and carriages in mind; 2. AFAIK there are no (so far unexplained) lines appearing from nowhere; 3. it has pedestrian underpasses; 4. it is not cyclist friendly.








    PS: Still nobody willing or able to provide an engineering precedent or rationale for the sprouting lane on the Bodkin?


  • #34
    snubbleste
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    The only reason I can think of is to accomodate traffic using three entrance lanes from the Headford direction.
    I think you may have to submit a query to the relevant roads engineer in the responsible agency and hope they actually bother to reply.


  • #35
    Iwannahurl
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    What I'm looking for is a rational evidence-based explanation from the Bodkin Fan Club.

    Looks like I'd be as likely to get such a response from the City Council crew who dreamt it up in the first place...









    .


  • #36
    Head The Wall
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    Hey, jealousy will get you nowhere.

    Personally I don't really question why it is the way it is. I suppose to me it tells me that I can stay tight to the centre of the roundabout if I am going taking the headford or Sean Mulvoy Rd exit or if I am going taking the bridge exit it is getting me into the correct lane and brings me into a better position so I don't encounter cars that are stopped at the lights on the roundabout. The lane effectively diverts the driver around the cars stopped there at the lights.

    Sorry I'm not great describing things, hope someone can follow my logic.

    This pic may be where the idea comes from. fig2b_23.gif


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  • #37
    what_traffic
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    Head The Wall wrote: »
    This pic may be where the idea comes from. fig2b_23.gif

    Is that an American document? Note the Zebra crossings on the arms.


  • #38
    antoobrien
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    What I'm looking for is a rational evidence-based explanation from the Bodkin Fan Club.
    .

    How's about some non-irrational non-car hating evidence for why we are guilty of blasphemy against the gospel of IWH. After all we we can apparently do the impossible and navigate this junction.

    Strike that if we don't hate cars we're not rational. Oh well.


  • #39
    GekkePrutser
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    Head The Wall wrote: »
    Hey, jealousy will get you nowhere.
    This pic may be where the idea comes from.

    That's a completely different scenario. There that lane is clearly meant to be entered from the inside lane of the left/right entrances. The yellow lines end exactly at the path a driver would take in that situation. It's actually similar to the turbo roundabouts we see in Holland. They also have lanes sprouting from the middle, but they are only meant to be entered from the entrance, not by users already on the roundabout.

    In the case of turbo roundabouts it works very well because all the separating lines are elevated like a kerb, which enforces the lane to be used the proper way. If you try to enter it the wrong way you're thrown all over the place because you go over the bump :)

    The one at Terryland is in the middle between 2 entrances so I don't think it was designed for that purpose.


  • #40
    Iwannahurl
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    How's about some non-irrational non-car hating evidence for why we are guilty of blasphemy against the gospel of IWH. After all we we can apparently do the impossible and navigate this junction.

    Strike that if we don't hate cars we're not rational. Oh well.




    Instead of bluff and bluster (again) why not make an attempt to answer the question I posed regarding the lane that sprouts from the centre island?

    So far I can only presume that you haven't the foggiest idea.


  • #41
    dr.bollocko
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Instead of bluff and bluster (again) why not make an attempt to answer the question I posed regarding the lane that sprouts from the centre island?

    So far I can only presume that you haven't the foggiest idea.

    Who cares. The lane serves a purpose in that it allows two exit lanes over the quincentennial and another entrance to lanes for those who wish to go further around the roundabout.

    Why does everyone get so goddamned cranky and personal in this forum?

    I was at this roundabout at 5pm again today. Again it was mental. Backed up everywhere. The worst part is exiting from a point which is not controlled by a traffic light such as the tesco exit or coming from town.


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  • #42
    Head The Wall
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    GekkePrutser wrote: »
    That's a completely different scenario. There that lane is clearly meant to be entered from the inside lane of the left/right entrances. The yellow lines end exactly at the path a driver would take in that situation. It's actually similar to the turbo roundabouts we see in Holland. They also have lanes sprouting from the middle, but they are only meant to be entered from the entrance, not by users already on the roundabout.

    In the case of turbo roundabouts it works very well because all the separating lines are elevated like a kerb, which enforces the lane to be used the proper way. If you try to enter it the wrong way you're thrown all over the place because you go over the bump :)

    The one at Terryland is in the middle between 2 entrances so I don't think it was designed for that purpose.

    I didn't say it was designed for that purpose, I don't really know if planners go to "roundabout" school or whatever but I would presume that they have some leeway when designing junctions and roundabouts and can adapt them to what they deem to be fit for purpose at the time. Whether that's what the rest of us think could be an entirely different scenario.

    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Who cares. The lane serves a purpose in that it allows two exit lanes over the quincentennial and another entrance to lanes for those who wish to go further around the roundabout.

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    Exactly my point, maybe it's a new idea. As said I never gave it much thought because it worked for me, it's obvious the people that don't know how to drive around this roundabout start to question things about it and are looking for something other than themselves to blame. Not saying that's you by the way, I know you're just super interested in traffic :D


  • #43
    antoobrien
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Instead of bluff and bluster (again) why not make an attempt to answer the question I posed regarding the lane that sprouts from the centre island?

    So far I can only presume that you haven't the foggiest idea.

    Instead of blaming everybody else for your own shortcomings provide some evidence or even try thinking - you might be able to find some logic.

    Otherwise please desist.

    I presume the 3rd lane you refer to is after the exit for Woodquay in order to break the traffic into 3 lanes for Headford Rd & Sean Mulvoy Road. The one where left is for Headford, right for Sean Mulvoy and centre for both? There's a good reason for that extra lane - there are 3 exits (QB, HR & SMR) that have 2 exits - so an extra lane is warranted for the part of the RAB that deals with these exits.

    As for similar junctions try this one, what is in effect a traffic light controlled RAB


  • #44
    Head The Wall
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    No, he's on about the lanes just after you come out of the Shopping centre, there is one that is marked out, it's just a case of one lane becoming two, it's a non issue though.


  • #45
    Iwannahurl
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    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Who cares. The lane serves a purpose in that it allows two exit lanes over the quincentennial and another entrance to lanes for those who wish to go further around the roundabout.


    The Sprouting Lane is just one odd feature of the Circus of Horrors, IMO. But sure who cares, it'll do. Hardly a good basis for roads engineering, I would say, but the It'll Do attitude is all-pervasive in this country. The Bodkin is a mess, IMO, the worst roundabout in a very bad lot, and it appears to have been designed by a bunch of people who were not unduly bothered about appearing to have got their engineering degrees out of lucky bags.




    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    I was at this roundabout at 5pm again today. Again it was mental. Backed up everywhere. The worst part is exiting from a point which is not controlled by a traffic light such as the tesco exit or coming from town.


    As you said yourself, who cares? Isn't that a fundamental part of the problem with Galway's traffic and transportation?

    And complaining isn't the same as caring, BTW.


  • #46
    Iwannahurl
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    GekkePrutser wrote: »
    That's a completely different scenario. There that lane is clearly meant to be entered from the inside lane of the left/right entrances. The yellow lines end exactly at the path a driver would take in that situation. It's actually similar to the turbo roundabouts we see in Holland. They also have lanes sprouting from the middle, but they are only meant to be entered from the entrance, not by users already on the roundabout.

    In the case of turbo roundabouts it works very well because all the separating lines are elevated like a kerb, which enforces the lane to be used the proper way. If you try to enter it the wrong way you're thrown all over the place because you go over the bump :)

    The one at Terryland is in the middle between 2 entrances so I don't think it was designed for that purpose.




    Dutch turbo roundabouts can be quite elaborate structures, but so far I have not seen an image of one with a sprouting lane. I wouldn't claim that such doesn't exist, just that I am not aware of sprouting lanes being standard practice in turbo or ordinary roundabouts.


  • #47
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Instead of blaming everybody else for your own shortcomings provide some evidence or even try thinking - you might be able to find some logic.
    Otherwise please desist.


    Not for the first time, I have no idea of what you seem to think you're talking about.


    Head The Wall wrote: »
    it's just a case of one lane becoming two, it's a non issue though.


    If it's a non-issue, then why this:
    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    So many people leave their lane, go into this new lane, then roll back into the lane to exit going over the quincentennial right in front of me.
    Why do they do that?


    It may well be an odd feature that causes "many people to leave their lane". It looks odd to me, but I am prepared to accept that there may be a roads engineering precedent for it, in Ireland or elsewhere. Since Bodkin fans are defending both the Sprouting Lane and the roundabout itself, I thought they might be able to make an evidence-based case for its existence. Clearly not.


  • #48
    BESman
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    I've witnessed more accidents on this roundabout than any other place on earth.

    I have a test for people to attempt. Try coming from the Woodquay or Bridge exits and get into the Galway Shopping Centre and act like you know what you're doing to get there. It's impossible.


  • #49
    Iwannahurl
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    According to AGS 25% of collisions in Galway City occur on roundabouts.

    I'd be prepared to bet that a disproportionate number of those collisions occur on the Bodkin. But that's just a guess, as I have no detailed stats.


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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    The Sprouting Lane is just one odd feature of the Circus of Horrors, IMO. But sure who cares, it'll do. Hardly a good basis for roads engineering, I would say, but the It'll Do attitude is all-pervasive in this country. The Bodkin is a mess, IMO, the worst roundabout in a very bad lot, and it appears to have been designed by a bunch of people who were not unduly bothered about appearing to have got their engineering degrees out of lucky bags.

    Jeasus would you ever stop f***ing complaining. You obviously have not got the ability to drive a car and appear to think no one else in Galway can, from the first time I drove that roundabout years ago I never had a single problem you would swear it was some sort of complex mathematical problem.

    The only issue with that roundabout (and its no different to any other roundabout) is people crossing from the middle lane into the left lane when coming onto the roundabout from the headford road side, but thats nothing to do with the design of the roundabout and everything to do with peoples inability to drive a car.


  • #51
    Head The Wall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    If it's a non-issue, then why this:


    It may well be an odd feature that causes "many people to leave their lane". It looks odd to me, but I am prepared to accept that there may be a roads engineering precedent for it, in Ireland or elsewhere. Since Bodkin fans are defending both the Sprouting Lane and the roundabout itself, I thought they might be able to make an evidence-based case for its existence. Clearly not.

    The issue is not the roundabout its the drivers, bad drivers will decide not to stick to the correct lanes everywhere and not just on this rotary.


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