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!! English HL 2015 - ALL things HL English, predictions, discussion etc.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭9de5q7tsr8u2im


    How does one lay their answer out if a question comes up on literary genre?
    I know you can't compare or contrast anything but do you keep your three texts in one paragraph when talking about eg Imagery / Symbolism?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 tcofla


    I think I'm the only person in the country who doesn't like frost, seems a bit of a fascist pr1ck IMO, when's Plath up next? On the course like is she on it next year?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 jbsbfass


    will i be ok with 3 poets studied in dept?
    I have Eilean NiC and Frost studied in dept should i study dickinson or yeats as my third? what has the better chance of coming up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    jbsbfass wrote: »
    will i be ok with 3 poets studied in dept?
    I have Eilean NiC and Frost studied in dept should i study dickinson or yeats as my third? what has the better chance of coming up?

    Dickinson. If Ni Chuilleanain doesn't come up, then a different woman will (most likely) come up. Whereas if you studied Yeats, all three of them could potentially not come up as they all have different general characteristics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭9de5q7tsr8u2im


    How does one lay their answer out if a question comes up on literary genre?
    I know you can't compare or contrast anything but do you keep your three texts in one paragraph when talking about eg Imagery / Symbolism?

    Pleaseee!!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭OMGeary


    I know you can't compare or contrast anything
    For Literary Genre you still have to compare.
    I think I'm the only person in the country who doesn't like frost
    No, I don't like him either, the only good poem of his is The road not Taken


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    OMGeary wrote: »
    For Literary Genre you still have to compare.


    No, I don't like him either, the only good poem of his is The road not Taken

    You ought to read "After Apple Picking"


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    would any English enthusiast here be willing to go through a paragraph or two of my GVV essay with me? And I'll return the favour :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭Troxck


    Does anyone have notes on how to answer the unseen poetry section in English HL? The first time anyone in my class saw it and answered it was in the mocks, our teacher has never gone through it. So, any tips? Cheers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭d1234




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    I had a dream last night where:

    - Frost
    - Dickinson
    - Ní Chuilleanáin
    - Donne

    Came up! I have 3 out of these studied so I wouldn't be too big a disaster for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Casio123


    My class have studied
    Montague
    Frost
    W.B.Yeats
    Plath
    Dickinson

    Would it be risky if I just studied Montague and frost ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Kremin


    Casio123 wrote: »
    My class have studied
    Montague
    Frost
    W.B.Yeats
    Plath
    Dickinson

    Would it be risky if I just studied Montague and frost ?

    It will always be risky studying less than 5 poets, as 4 come up, studying 4 means there is a possibility 4 other ones will come up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 jbsbfass


    For the Othello Q, What is the predication of what will come up, will it be a question of jealousy(which i think it will be) or will it be a question on a charater ( Iago, Desdemona) ????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Blue giant


    Anyone else going to take a risk and not study 5 poets? I have Montague, Frost and Dickinson done. The other two our class have done are Plath and Ní Chuilleanáin. I can't see Plath coming up and I don't particularly like Ní Chuilleanáin poetry. Surely one of Frost, Dickinson or Montague will come up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Casio123


    jbsbfass wrote: »
    For the Othello Q, What is the predication of what will come up, will it be a question of jealousy(which i think it will be) or will it be a question on a charater ( Iago, Desdemona) ????

    My teacher is almost sure it will be a Q on the role of woman (desdemona and bianca) or else jealousy and revenge


  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭pa limerick


    Has any ideas about the great gatsby?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 papaoutai


    Blue giant wrote: »
    Anyone else going to take a risk and not study 5 poets? I have Montague, Frost and Dickinson done. The other two our class have done are Plath and Ní Chuilleanáin. I can't see Plath coming up and I don't particularly like Ní Chuilleanáin poetry. Surely one of Frost, Dickinson or Montague will come up.

    I'm taking the risk of studying four poets. I have studied Frost, Montague, Dickinson and Ní Chuilleanáin. My teacher also covered Plath but she's unlikely to come up as you said so I'm giving her the skip. Fingers crossed we'll be safe!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Kremin wrote: »
    It will always be risky studying less than 5 poets, as 4 come up, studying 4 means there is a possibility 4 other ones will come up.
    Indeed.

    Admittedly the chances of being caught if you have 4 are very small, but it happened to a couple of people on this forum the year before last.

    It's always worth having at least a quick look over a 5th, so that if you do get caught, you can make some kind of an attempt at an answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭Troxck


    So for poetry I've revised Montague, Frost, Donne and Ní Chuilleanáin. I want to cover a 5th to be safe, who would ye recommend? My class also covered Hardy, Plath and Yeats.

    Also thanks to the person who posted links about the Unseen Poetry, they were very helpful! :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    Troxck wrote: »
    So for poetry I've revised Montague, Frost, Donne and Ní Chuilleanáin. I want to cover a 5th to be safe, who would ye recommend? My class also covered Hardy, Plath and Yeats.

    Also thanks to the person who posted links about the Unseen Poetry, they were very helpful! :D

    Yeats is the best poet on the course, and it's 150 years since his birth. The SEC also love Yeats and are keen on examining him. Hardy, while his poems contain great meaning and emotions, aren't very good, but he hasn't been examined since 2006. Nobody is predicting him for some reason, but I think he's this years dark horse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Hey people, I did Yeats last year and got 100 percent in the question (God knows how :D ). Anyway, I probably sound like a contradicting idiot but I'd recommend answering another poet. I've heard that examiners mark him harder than any other poet due to the fact one must appreciate history just as much as poetry, which can be difficult. And anybody hoping for an A1 should really be appreciating poetry, I don't think it's a love that's easily faked :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    Hey people, I did Yeats last year and got 100 percent in the question (God knows how :D ). Anyway, I probably sound like a contradicting idiot but I'd recommend answering another poet. I've heard that examiners mark him harder than any other poet due to the fact one must appreciate history just as much as poetry, which can be difficult. And anybody hoping for an A1 should really be appreciating poetry, I don't think it's a love that's easily faked :)

    Completely agree. Only true lovers of poetry seem to like W.B. What's the chances of him appearing this year do you reckon? Really hoping he will, Plath and Frost are the only two other poets that even come close, so I'll be disappointed to not get the opportunity to answer on him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    LeeLee97 wrote: »
    Completely agree. Only true lovers of poetry seem to like W.B. What's the chances of him appearing this year do you reckon? Really hoping he will, Plath and Frost are the only two other poets that even come close, so I'll be disappointed to not get the opportunity to answer on him.

    My 18th was paper 2 last year and I was in tears when I saw him! Tears of happiness obviously :) to be honest I haven't done any predicting for people this year so I have no idea how likely or unlikely he is. But even true lovers of poetry and history can fall victim to really tough marking on him. I think Plath wont come up if it helps :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    My 18th was paper 2 last year and I was in tears when I saw him! Tears of happiness obviously :) to be honest I haven't done any predicting for people this year so I have no idea how likely or unlikely he is. But even true lovers of poetry and history can fall victim to really tough marking on him. I think Plath wont come up if it helps :)

    The things I'd do to swap situations with you. Only thing is, if he comes up this year, nobody else in my class seems to be doing him, which is even better! What did you get in English overall then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    LeeLee97 wrote: »
    The things I'd do to swap situations with you. Only thing is, if he comes up this year, nobody else in my class seems to be doing him, which is even better! What did you get in English overall then?

    If he comes up you are in an excellent position then, I don't think he will be heavily answered this year due to the tough marking of the years previous and the fact that he is quite unlikely to feature. So go for it!
    Myself, I got an incredibly unexpected and utterly undeserved A1 that I spent quite some time in shock over :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭westernfrenzy


    Hoping for a nice article for the essays on Paper 1. Something about technology would be nice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    If he comes up you are in an excellent position then, I don't think he will be heavily answered this year due to the tough marking of the years previous and the fact that he is quite unlikely to feature. So go for it!
    Myself, I got an incredibly unexpected and utterly undeserved A1 that I spent quite some time in shock over :pac:

    Congrats! Going for the A1 myself, got 85% in the mocks! You don't happen to have that Yeats essay you got full marks on do you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 eamon305


    Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone knows how many quotes examiners are looking for in an Othello essay to get an A1?

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭Digital Solitude


    eamon305 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone knows how many quotes examiners are looking for in an Othello essay to get an A1?

    Thanks

    About 3 fiddy.

    A quote or two for every point you make is loads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Aye, there's no magic number.

    1) Make good / relevant points which answer the question asked.

    2) Back up / illustrate your points with relevant quotes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    LeeLee97 wrote: »
    Congrats! Going for the A1 myself, got 85% in the mocks! You don't happen to have that Yeats essay you got full marks on do you?

    Thank you! Oh you'll get it no bother then, I got a B3 in my English mocks last year haha :D and no sorry, I don't have the essay because I made it up on the day and it wasnt prepared from notes or anything beforehand. None of my work was. Sorry :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    Thank you! Oh you'll get it no bother then, I got a B3 in my English mocks last year haha :D and no sorry, I don't have the essay because I made it up on the day and it wasnt prepared from notes or anything beforehand. None of my work was. Sorry :(

    Kudos to you for being able to develop your own responses and formulate your own answers. Not many can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    LeeLee97 wrote: »
    Kudos to you for being able to develop your own responses and formulate your own answers. Not many can.

    I just felt that true personal responses came from within , and that this would make them unique and stand out. I kinda thought it was the done thing to make it up as you go along as well haha :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    What's everyone's plans for the composition? It's my worst part of the paper and I find it difficult to make up a story on the spot, and wouldn't be able to think of enough points to write about for anything else. I'm wondering whether I should write maybe an essay or two now and then just use the same storyline in the real thing. Is anyone else doing this?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Great Disapointments


    Does anyone think Donne will come up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    What's everyone's plans for the composition? It's my worst part of the paper and I find it difficult to make up a story on the spot, and wouldn't be able to think of enough points to write about for anything else. I'm wondering whether I should write maybe an essay or two now and then just use the same storyline in the real thing. Is anyone else doing this?

    Unless you're really good at the short story, don't go for it. The Personal Essay is easier to get marks in, because it doesn't need a narrative structure, characterisation, atmosphere etc. and is more like your thoughts flowing onto the page.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    LeeLee97 wrote: »
    Unless you're really good at the short story, don't go for it. The Personal Essay is easier to get marks in, because it doesn't need a narrative structure, characterisation, atmosphere etc. and is more like your thoughts flowing onto the page.

    Thanks for the advice, but the most I've done on personal writing is about two pages and I'm not one to be able to write emotionally on a page! I find that I'm good at creating atmosphere and adding character traits, just my general storylines tends to be weak.

    If I get an argument on global warming, I'll do that. I can talk all day about global warming!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 lawlessaine


    The poets I've studied are:
    ENC
    Montague
    Frost
    Donne
    Hardy

    This list comes from my English teacher last year who is
    pretty much a God when it comes to English predictions


  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭ShaunDaSheep


    Ok, i am really scared for english next week. I am fine for paper 1 as I am good on the composition etc... but I am really unprepared for Paper 2. I just want to know if people think I amtaking a risk by only leanring the following:

    Poets:

    John Donne
    Emily Dickinson
    Eiléan ní Chuilleanáin
    Yeats

    Comparative:
    Just Theme

    Othello:
    All the women and their role in society
    desdemona and emilia individually
    Othello
    Iago
    and Othello and Iago together

    I know im cutting out a lot but I only need a C1. I just want to know if i should really consider studying anything else ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭OMGeary



    Comparative:
    Just Theme
    One comparative mode is kinda risky


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    OMGeary wrote: »
    One comparative mode is kinda risky

    Unless its literary genre ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Peg14


    Ok, i am really scared for english next week. I am fine for paper 1 as I am good on the composition etc... but I am really unprepared for Paper 2. I just want to know if people think I amtaking a risk by only leanring the following:

    Poets:

    John Donne
    Emily Dickinson
    Eiléan ní Chuilleanáin
    Yeats

    Comparative:
    Just Theme

    Othello:
    All the women and their role in society
    desdemona and emilia individually
    Othello
    Iago
    and Othello and Iago together

    I know im cutting out a lot but I only need a C1. I just want to know if i should really consider studying anything else ?

    you're not really cutting out a lot! you have pretty much everything covered. Apart from the comparative. You probably will be fine but do another V and VP, I say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭Almen11


    Ok so I'm planning a Dickinson essay and was wondering, can you use the same poem twice to back up two different points? Eg. I have a paragraph on the theme of nature that I used to talk about I tasted a liquor never brewed, if I speak about imagery can I mention that poem again in that paragraph just briefly? Like 3 or 4 lines?


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭IrishLoriii


    Hi all,
    Id really appreciate someones help with paper 1 the composing for the SHORT STORY.
    For the mocks, I wrote what I thought was a personal essay under the personal essay title
    but my teacher said that I wouldn't have scored a lot higher if I titled it as a short story
    under one of the other titles. He told me to learn it off for June. I have just spent the
    last hour going through it and changing some of the language in it etc I was just wondering
    if im being too risky going it with just a learned off short story or should I write out a few??
    Also, Is it ok for a short story to not have a definite ending? Like at the start my persons waiting
    on results then she gets them then she deals with them but I never say what the results are of
    or anything but does my story need to have a solid conclusion? Thanks so much for your help :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭ShaunDaSheep


    Hi all,
    I was just wondering
    if im being too risky going it with just a learned off short story or should I write out a few??
    Also, Is it ok for a short story to not have a definite ending? Like at the start my persons waiting
    on results then she gets them then she deals with them but I never say what the results are of
    or anything but does my story need to have a solid conclusion? Thanks so much for your help :)

    For your own safety I not bank on just 1 essay. You could spend hours learning this essay to perfection and it may be impossible to fit the story into the theme of the paper e.g last years short stories were a ghost story and a science fiction story. Also to answer your second question , it is always best to leave short stories on a cliff hanger e.g make the examiner want more. Short stories with a happy ever after or doom at the end are predictable and boring for examiners.

    Hope this is of so help and good luck :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 DesuDesuChan


    Oh my God, this username.
    I'm quite nervous for english, although it's one of my stronger subjects...
    I really hope Frost or even Yeats comes up (though Yeats probably won't).
    Can't deal with Eileen and her vomitting child, and my teacher didn't give us many notes on Montague.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Casio123


    For a short story I would reccommend to follow these five steps in order !
    1. Atmospheric Setting
    2. Character development (2-3 characters at the most)
    3. Build up of tension & suspense
    4. Climax
    5. Resolution

    There a key aspect in any short story!


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭LeeLee97


    Oh my God, this username.
    I'm quite nervous for english, although it's one of my stronger subjects...
    I really hope Frost or even Yeats comes up (though Yeats probably won't).
    Can't deal with Eileen and her vomitting child, and my teacher didn't give us many notes on Montague.
    You and me both bud. Frost is the only one that comes close to the might of Yeats. If neither of those two come up I'm f****d. Really don't want to have to answer on dickinson/hardy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 DesuDesuChan


    And we didn't even do Dickinson/Hardy.
    lololololololol /dies


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