Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

TouchingVirus · 23-01-2014 5:15pm

keane2097 wrote: »

I doubt too many people will take too long to figure out why McBrearty refused to turn up for the hearing

I'm in the minority so, because I can't figure it out

DDC1990 · 23-01-2014 5:26pm

“At meetings subsequent to this episode, Central Council issue a directive that stipulated that such an action would be designed a Category III infraction, carrying a minimum suspension of eight weeks.

Just reading what Duffy said two days ago on the McB bite, and spotted this. Looks like Whelan got the lowest possible punishment.

http://www.thescore.ie/dublin-donegal-mcbrearty-bite-1274764-Jan2014/

ProudDUB · 23-01-2014 11:56pm

You can add me to the list of people who think that the 8 week ban was far too lenient. I wouldn't have a problem at all if he never played for Dublin again. It breaks my heart that the good name of my county is being dragged thru the mud again, for the third shagging time, for the exact same incident. You'd think that after last years brouhaha in Donegal, this would be the last thing in the world that any of them would leave themselves open to being charged with.

Syferus · 24-01-2014 3:03am

Boom__Boom wrote: »

8 weeks for biting by an inter-county player sends a terrible message in terms of a deterrent to others to act likewise.

Personally I would have no problem with any player found guilty of biting being given a lifetime ban from the GAA.

Hyperbolic much?

Past30Now · 24-01-2014 3:30pm

Syferus wrote: »

Hyperbolic much?

I've got to agree with this. A lifetime ban would be nonsensical. 8 weeks is too short. A six month ban seems more appropriate.

What he did was disgraceful, and is deserving of a severe punishment, but he's also a kid who made a mistake in the heat of a match. Biting is disgusting and should not be tolerated. However we can't forget that he's a young guy who lost the head in a match. Similar incidents (guys losing the head) will happen every weekend across the country in adult football between now and November, and most of them (hopefully) won't involve any biting.

At this stage the guy should serve his punishment and learn from the experience. It will probably cost him a chance of represent Dublin in the championship this year, so it's not as if he's getting away from this scot free.

Dublinfan · 25-01-2014 12:00am

James McCarthy Confirmed hes not fit for next weeks League Opener

That means Players Defiantly out Due to injury/Suspension and Club Games are: Bernard Brogan , Eoghan O'Gara , James McCarthy , Ger Brennan, Diarmuid Connelly , Paul Flynn
Paddy Andrews And Dean Rock not Confirmed but still Thought to be injured

i expect we will see quite a few new faces next week with only one starting Half forward Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion the only Starting Full Forward Available

harpsman · 25-01-2014 3:10pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Did you expect us to close ranks? You can't defend the indefensible and that's exactly what biting is. It's disgusting, dangerous and there is no place for it in any sport. I said it when the allegations came to light last year after Ballybofey, if found guilty the player should be dropped.

I don't want somebody who bites representing my county until he cops himself on and serves an appropriate punishment. 8 weeks is not long enough, it might be what the Leinster CCC thought could make stick or the max they could impose but the Dublin County Board can do a whole lot more and honestly I hope they do. Let him sit out the whole season for club & county and have a think about what madness made him bite an opponent, it's not the Colosseum and he's no gladiator.

If an example has to be made, let it be now. I don't want allegations to dog the team in the coming years because somebody hadn't the stones to discipline players when it started. 3 allegations in 3 years is bad enough, even if only one person has been found guilty.

Thats exactly what id expect you to do. Its certainly what Dublin did after Mcbrearty was bitten by a Dublin player. Your clown of a chairman first denied that Dublin were informed. Then when that was found to be untrue he claimed it was a "scratch" despite 2 medical reports. Didnt hear a peep out of jim gavin. Maybe you said something else at the time. Feel free to link if you did.

harpsman · 25-01-2014 3:11pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Whatever the findings, I think it's pretty obvious at least two out of the three were guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh6YQBgD-0A

3 out 3 actually. Guess Whelan is the fall guy cos hes not in the team

Ahoy Ahoy · 25-01-2014 4:00pm

8 weeks clearly not enough. It will be interesting to see what Jim does next. Very difficult situation to be in for a manager. It would of been interesting if this was Paul galvan or Ricey mcmenamin-I'd say it would be front page page news and they would of been calling for their heads. Look we all know things happen on a football pitch that are unsavory to say the least. Is this any worse than grabbing a players privates?? Any player at club level would of experienced this personally or had a teammate suffer this-happens up and down the country every Sunday

El Horseboxo · 26-01-2014 11:37am

Anybody know if the tickets for the 4 Spring series games can be collected together under the Parnell park pass scheme? I'll be in Ireland for Thursday so should make the Dorset street office on Friday. I'll be over for 3 of the 4 games but won't be in till Friday night the other 2 times. Would be nice to collect them all in one go this coming Friday.

WhatNowForUs? · 26-01-2014 12:07pm

harpsman wrote: »

3 out 3 actually. Guess Whelan is the fall guy cos hes not in the team

Who was the 3rd?

26-01-2014 12:57pm

Ahoy Ahoy wrote: »

8 weeks clearly not enough. It will be interesting to see what Jim does next. Very difficult situation to be in for a manager. It would of been interesting if this was Paul galvan or Ricey mcmenamin-I'd say it would be front page page news and they would of been calling for their heads. Look we all know things happen on a football pitch that are unsavory to say the least. Is this any worse than grabbing a players privates?? Any player at club level would of experienced this personally or had a teammate suffer this-happens up and down the country every Sunday

Yes off course it is.

There's a risk of infection that results from a bite. You could pick up a number of blood infections from the individual.

So it makes it far more serious than grabbing a certain area or throwing a punch.

TouchingVirus · 26-01-2014 3:21pm

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Anybody know if the tickets for the 4 Spring series games can be collected together under the Parnell park pass scheme? I'll be in Ireland for Thursday so should make the Dorset street office on Friday. I'll be over for 3 of the 4 games but won't be in till Friday night the other 2 times. Would be nice to collect them all in one go this coming Friday.

Yes, the 4 match package can be picked up in one go.

Parnell Pass Holders can collect their 4 Match Package from Tuesday - Saturday in the ticket office. Please bring your pass with you.

Ahoy Ahoy · 26-01-2014 3:48pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Yes off course it is.

There's a risk of infection that results from a bite. You could pick up a number of blood infections from the individual.

So it makes it far more serious than grabbing a certain area or throwing a punch.

We aren't talking about a rabid dog here. He's a young man who in the heat of the moment made a stupid mistake-something he will have to deal with.....calling for a lifetime ban is wrong. Also, as we have seen one punch can kill, plenty of examples of the recent months outside nightclubs. I don't think we can separate certain unsavoury acts-they are as bad as each other. It's up to the GAA to come up with a suitable punishment AND EDUCATION to make sure it doesn't happen again.

keane2097 · 26-01-2014 3:51pm

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

Who was the 3rd?

Kevin O'Brien.

El Horseboxo · 26-01-2014 4:14pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Yes, the 4 match package can be picked up in one go.

Brilliant. Thanks for that.

26-01-2014 4:19pm

Ahoy Ahoy wrote: »

We aren't talking about a rabid dog here. He's a young man who in the heat of the moment made a stupid mistake-something he will have to deal with.....calling for a lifetime ban is wrong. Also, as we have seen one punch can kill, plenty of examples of the recent months outside nightclubs. I don't think we can separate certain unsavoury acts-they are as bad as each other. It's up to the GAA to come up with a suitable punishment AND EDUCATION to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I never got into the debate of whether a life time ban was warranted.

All I made a comment on was you saying was it any worse than grabbing someones privates.

Off course it is, and for the reasons I listed above. The person doesn't have be akin to a diseased dog for the bite to be dangerous. If the individual has any blood conditions(HIV, HEP) then these can be passed if the skin is broken.
He's most likely is clean but an individual should never be subjected to the risks.

Ahoy Ahoy · 26-01-2014 5:56pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I never got into the debate of whether a life time ban was warranted.

All I made a comment on was you saying was it any worse than grabbing someones privates.

Off course it is, and for the reasons I listed above. The person doesn't have be akin to a diseased dog for the bite to be dangerous. If the individual has any blood conditions(HIV, HEP) then these can be passed if the skin is broken.
He's most likely is clean but an individual should never be subjected to the risks.

If a player has HIV or HEP do you honestly think he would be playing? Catch yourself on!!!!!! You commented on biting been worse than grabbing areas or throwing a punch. A punch can kill.....simple.

TouchingVirus · 26-01-2014 9:01pm

In what I assume is an effort to get a bigger audience and avoid a clash with the rugby, the GAA have moved the Walsh Cup final between Kilkenny and Dublin from Sunday at 2pm in Parnell Park to Croke Park on Saturday at 5pm, right before the Dublin/Kerry league opener.

WhatNowForUs? · 26-01-2014 9:35pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Kevin O'Brien.

He was cleared.
http://www.thescore.ie/dublin-kevin-obrien-biting-donegal-paddy-mcbrearty-cleared-885805-Apr2013/

downthemiddle · 26-01-2014 10:17pm

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

He was cleared.
http://www.thescore.ie/dublin-kevin-obrien-biting-donegal-paddy-mcbrearty-cleared-885805-Apr2013/

The case against him was not proven. Medical evidence showed that Paddy McBrearty was bitten. The only issue was who bit him.

ProudDUB · 26-01-2014 10:32pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

The case against him was not proven. Medical evidence showed that Paddy McBrearty was bitten. The only issue was who bit him.

Medical evidence from who? Were you in Donegal on the day? Have you seen it? Did you draw your own conclusions after you saw it? Are you a trained medical professional who is qualified to judge on these matters? I am not, so I am not going around and making definitive statements on the matter.

The Dublin team doctor said he was shown photos of what the Donegal camp claimed to be a bite. The Dublin team doctor said he saw pictures of a "laceration" or a "cut" (they are his own words) and did not agree that the markings were consistent with a bite.

Obviously, I am a Dub, so it's not hard to figure out who I choose to believe. But unless you are part of the GAA committee that reviewed the cases put forth by both camps, or you or part of the Donegal or Dublin county boards that had access to all the claims made by the other side, I don't think you should be making matter of fact statements about the "evidence" that either side did or did not have. Because at the end of the day, you know sweet FA about what happened on the day, just like the rest of us.

keane2097 · 27-01-2014 1:28pm

Plenty people know what happened on the day, in fact I would think most people know quite well.

TouchingVirus · 27-01-2014 3:01pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Plenty people know what happened on the day, in fact I would think most people know quite well.

What can be proven though? I was up there in Ballybofey and it's nowhere near as clear cut as you're suggesting it was. Not like in the middle of the park somebody decided to chow down.

keane2097 · 27-01-2014 4:05pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

What can be proven though? I was up there in Ballybofey and it's nowhere near as clear cut as you're suggesting it was. Not like in the middle of the park somebody decided to chow down.

Nothing will ever be proven now in terms of "court of law" style proof, that's not to say it isn't well known in GAA circles what happened both with regard to the incident itself and why McBrearty didn't show up to give evidence.

I suspect I could bite ProudDub myself with a blue jersey on and he'd deny it happened.

Lennyzip · 27-01-2014 4:58pm

Hi , anyone get the email today regarding the Bring A Friend option for the Season Ticket , can't log into the site using the link within the email , anyone else having this issue ???

The Rooster · 27-01-2014 6:04pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Nothing will ever be proven now in terms of "court of law" style proof, that's not to say it isn't well known in GAA circles what happened both with regard to the incident itself and why McBrearty didn't show up to give evidence.

Do you think the reason why McBrearty didnt turn up was because:
A) he would get a big suspension himself if the full story was released

some other reason

downthemiddle · 27-01-2014 9:25pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Medical evidence from who? Were you in Donegal on the day? Have you seen it? Did you draw your own conclusions after you saw it? Are you a trained medical professional who is qualified to judge on these matters? I am not, so I am not going around and making definitive statements on the matter.

The Dublin team doctor said he was shown photos of what the Donegal camp claimed to be a bite. The Dublin team doctor said he saw pictures of a "laceration" or a "cut" (they are his own words) and did not agree that the markings were consistent with a bite.

Obviously, I am a Dub, so it's not hard to figure out who I choose to believe. But unless you are part of the GAA committee that reviewed the cases put forth by both camps, or you or part of the Donegal or Dublin county boards that had access to all the claims made by the other side, I don't think you should be making matter of fact statements about the "evidence" that either side did or did not have. Because at the end of the day, you know sweet FA about what happened on the day, just like the rest of us.

The word of the doctor in Letterkenny General Hospital who treated Paddy McBrearty for a bite and gave him a tetanus injection is good enough for me. But you carry on ranting.

The Rooster · 28-01-2014 9:37am

downthemiddle wrote: »

The word of the doctor in Letterkenny General Hospital who treated Paddy McBrearty for a bite and gave him a tetanus injection is good enough for me. But you carry on ranting.

"The word of a doctor".
That's brilliant, I didnt realise we had the word of a doctor to go on. Can you provide a link to that statement please? What was the doctor's name?

This will be able to establish whether the doctor said it was conclusively a bite that broke the skin and a tetanus was necessary. Or whether because the player was wearing a gumshield and McBrearty a jersey that it was inconclusive. And it was in fact a Donegal coach (who by the way after McBrearty refused to go to the hospital initially, forced him to attend) that insisted it was a bite and thus the doctor administered the tetanus for precautionery reasons.

Or maybe you don't actually have the word of a doctor. And it is a case of "somebody said that somebody said" or other such third/fourth/fifth hand info.

So Not Guilty, Case Closed is the only fact that stands up.

DDC1990 · 28-01-2014 6:12pm

Printed my tickets and see that the Walsh Cup is on beforehand.

What entertainment to get Dublin v Kilkenny and Dublin v Kerry in the one night for €10.

Amazing value.

TouchingVirus · 28-01-2014 6:16pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Printed my tickets and see that the Walsh Cup is on beforehand.

What entertainment to get Dublin v Kilkenny and Dublin v Kerry in the one night for €10.

Amazing value.

Yep, they moved it to avoid clashing with the rugby. A great night is on the cards for Dublin GAA

DDC1990 · 28-01-2014 6:42pm

Well, until 9 o'clock anyway, after the Kingdom get a little revenge for the Semi Finals :P

TouchingVirus · 28-01-2014 7:42pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Well, until 9 o'clock anyway, after the Kingdom get a little revenge for the Semi Finals :P

That's the spirit

ArielAtom · 29-01-2014 10:33am

Lads out of the loop working away. What times are throw in for on Sat night?

TouchingVirus · 29-01-2014 11:10am

ArielAtom wrote: »

Lads out of the loop working away. What times are throw in for on Sat night?

5pm for the Walsh Cup against Kilkenny

7pm for the league opener against Kerry

Dublinfan · 29-01-2014 12:37pm

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/dublins-paddy-andrews-box-seat-last-3087478

Andrews Confirms He out for All Of Februarys League Matchs

TouchingVirus · 29-01-2014 1:14pm

And possibly beyond March too. Alan Brogan was on the mend only a few weeks ago and yet him and Bernard are namedropped in TheScore.ie's article as having similar pelvic/groin injuries. Come on Alan, give us one more year!

Dublinfan · 29-01-2014 1:23pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

And possibly beyond March too. Alan Brogan was on the mend only a few weeks ago and yet him and Bernard are namedropped in TheScore.ie's article as having similar pelvic/groin injuries. Come on Alan, give us one more year!

I think They Might Save Alan till March too, Will Be interesting to see the team Especially the Half and Full Forwards

Stoner · 29-01-2014 4:06pm

I could see Kerry doing a job on us at the weekend, might be a bit like that Dublin Donegal league game last year I'd say there will more than usual in it for a league game.

Stoner · 29-01-2014 4:10pm

I could see Kerry doing a job on us at the weekend, might be a bit like that Dublin Donegal league game last year I'd say there will more than usual in it for a league game.

TouchingVirus · 29-01-2014 4:15pm

Yeah, I must say I'm not incredibly hopeful about a win right now, seems like a largely untested Dublin side will be put out on the day

Slattsy · 29-01-2014 4:22pm

Dublin are 4/9 favs.
Kerry 9/4

Thats seems way off to me lads. Kerry def the value here.

Lombardo86 · 29-01-2014 4:39pm

Lads, am struggling to find where i can get these tickets? Are they 10Euro for all? Or is that just kids?

keane2097 · 29-01-2014 4:45pm

I'm not sure about that, how strong a Kerry team are people expecting? There's no Ó Sé, no Gooch, no Darran or Declan Sullivan, no Donaghy etc.

The Dublin early league team utterly destroyed the Kerry early league team last year, has that much changed? Bad signs for Dublin's hopes at retaining Sam Maguire if it has.

TouchingVirus · 29-01-2014 4:54pm

Lombardo86 wrote: »

Lads, am struggling to find where i can get these tickets? Are they 10Euro for all? Or is that just kids?

There is a 4-game ticket for €40 for Adults and €10 for Juveniles. It's available over on http://gaa.tickets.ie. They are stand tickets only, and you must retain your ticket for all four matches.

There are individual match tickets available before game-day from the Dorset Street Ticket Office and on http://gaa.tickets.ie - these are €10 for adults for all games, no matter what location. Juvenile €5 tickets are available for all games but once again these are for the stand only so no Hill 16 juvenile tickets.

The prices on the day from the ticket vans are €15 for adult and I think €10 for juveniles.

Lombardo86 · 29-01-2014 6:35pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

There is a 4-game ticket for €40 for Adults and €10 for Juveniles. It's available over on http://gaa.tickets.ie. They are stand tickets only, and you must retain your ticket for all four matches.

There are individual match tickets available before game-day from the Dorset Street Ticket Office and on http://gaa.tickets.ie - these are €10 for adults for all games, no matter what location. Juvenile €5 tickets are available for all games but once again these are for the stand only so no Hill 16 juvenile tickets.

The prices on the day from the ticket vans are €15 for adult and I think €10 for juveniles.

Excellent - Thank you.

Dublinfan · 29-01-2014 7:23pm

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm not sure about that, how strong a Kerry team are people expecting? There's no Ó Sé, no Gooch, no Darran or Declan Sullivan, no Donaghy etc.

The Dublin early league team utterly destroyed the Kerry early league team last year, has that much changed? Bad signs for Dublin's hopes at retaining Sam Maguire if it has.

ye last year when we played kerry in the league we had Andrews Brogan Flynn Connely

Most of half and full forwards arnt available for Saturday bar Mannion and Kilkenny

Dublinfan · 29-01-2014 7:55pm

Dennis Bastick Just Confirmed as out with a shoulder Injury

harpsman · 29-01-2014 11:18pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Plenty people know what happened on the day, in fact I would think most people know quite well.

I wouldnt bother wastin your time. If people dont have the decency to admit Kevin O Brein bit McBrearty leave them to it-id say its more their problem than yours

TouchingVirus · 29-01-2014 11:46pm

harpsman wrote: »

I wouldnt bother wastin your time. If people dont have the decency to admit Kevin O Brein bit McBrearty leave them to it-id say its more their problem than yours

There are many of us who don't run in these circles and don't "know" what happened, so we rely on other sources like the discipline process and judgements. It's nobody's "problem" so what are you stirring for? What are you wasting time for? Jesus, why am I wasting my time on this...

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