National reserve

Carrigogunnell · 07-12-2015 2:11pm

Three Tegasc advisors from local office gone up to portlaoise today to meet the department. I'm sure it's a national meeting so might be more info tomorrow if your having problems with sfp.

Nettleman · 07-12-2015 2:50pm

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

Three Tegasc advisors from local office gone up to portlaoise today to meet the department. I'm sure it's a national meeting so might be more info tomorrow if your having problems with sfp.

Sent in the Calvery John Wayne....Its unreal that not one farming organisation is kicking up a storm over this:mad:

Nettleman · 07-12-2015 5:00pm

Page 9 of Farmers Charter 2015-2020 clearly says

"Basic Payment Scheme and Greening Payment Young Farmers Scheme, National Reserve

Target payment date of 1 December for all applications.
Paid as a complete payment." Should we be looking for interest off them for been late, as there are usually penalties charged on farmers on a per day percentage for been late submitting your SFP forms.

Nettleman · 10-12-2015 9:48am

I see the rag is reporting now that just over 50% of young farmers payments may are to start next week.

Farmer Dan · 10-12-2015 12:28pm

Nettleman wrote: »

I see the rag is reporting now that young farmers will only get 50% of their payment and payments are to start next week. The rag always said young farmer payments would be made as one payment on December 1st. Same as farmer charter-but it isnt worth the paper its written on

Nettleman, I checked this out after I saw your post as I was getting mad at the tought that they were only going to pay 50% of the money. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think they meant that only 50% of applicants will be payed from next week because of outstanding issues, I hope I'm wrong because all along it was to be in one payment, but anything is possible! !

Nettleman · 10-12-2015 12:52pm

Farmer Dan wrote: »

Nettleman, I checked this out after I saw your post as I was getting mad at the tought that they were only going to pay 50% of the money. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think they meant that only 50% of applicants will be payed from next week because of outstanding issues, I hope I'm wrong because all along it was to be in one payment, but anything is possible! !

you could be right-I was looking at the IFJ website but dont have a login so only can see the first line of the article. I might have mis read it. My earlier comment edited

Greengrass1 · 10-12-2015 2:15pm

Patrick Donohoe told me yesterday 50% of applicants to be paid next wk and the rest after Christmas.
My real grip is that the 50% don't know what issues is holding there's up

Carrigogunnell · 10-12-2015 3:51pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Patrick Donohoe told me yesterday 50% of applicants to be paid next wk and the rest after Christmas.
My real grip is that the 50% don't know what issues is holding there's up

We will be applying for our 2016 payment and we won't even have our 2015 at the rate there going.

tom_k · 10-12-2015 3:53pm

I have this message (like many) on agfood.ie

I'm just off the phone to the helpline about it, I've been told that there's actually no problem with my application despite the message. I asked if I had qualified and he said he could see no reason why not, I also asked if he knew when payments might begin and was told next week.

Nettleman · 10-12-2015 5:37pm

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmers-left-in-limbo-over-acceptance-to-national-reserve-and-yfs-195889/

Nettleman · 10-12-2015 5:44pm

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

We will be applying for our 2016 payment and we won't even have our 2015 at the rate there going.

and they have so far refused to issue a proper press release or to explain to us why those who are accepted had to wait until two weeks after the deadline to know either way when letters of acceptance were supposed to issue months ago. :mad:

barnaman · 10-12-2015 7:33pm

spoke to ag advisor today who is really competent and was told nooone has a clue whats happening with allocations or amounts under YF and Reserve. (I applied for both) so do not be counting patment soon. FJ said 50% of applicant paid in 2015 rest will be paid in 2016. So no income 2015 and double in 2016 for tax man!

Mol88 · 10-12-2015 8:47pm

What a joke deadline was march,i would be happy if i at least knew if i was getting something or not bad time of year to be selling ti pay bills at least i wouldn't of spent as much money making bales would of sold stock in August now im neither here or there. Too tight on money this time of year.glad to see they are helping the young farmer thats trying to expand.Luckly i can now sell my stock to pay vet bill feed bill contractor bill water bill insurance and tax and rent of the farm to the father and have a few quid left over to buy herself a christmas present.better off planting thistles

Greengrass1 · 11-12-2015 6:55pm

tom_k wrote: »

I have this message (like many) on agfood.ie

I'm just off the phone to the helpline about it, I've been told that there's actually no problem with my application despite the message. I asked if I had qualified and he said he could see no reason why not, I also asked if he knew when payments might begin and was told next week.

Just looked on my agfood.ie there now.
Went into same entitlement area aa you are in there.
Nothing about my national reserve application or entitlement application.
It doeshave our own entitlements we already have on it though

viztopia · 11-12-2015 9:19pm

So who thinks they will be paid next week? After what has happened I would not be surprised but I would be disappointed if I didn't get paid.

CallofGuti · 11-12-2015 9:25pm

I got the SFP paid on time this year but wouldn't hold out hope on getting young farmer top up until after christmas.

mayota · 11-12-2015 9:40pm

viztopia wrote: »

So who thinks they will be paid next week? After what has happened I would not be surprised but I would be disappointed if I didn't get paid.

I don't think there'll be any payments until at least February. DAFM will first wait until 1st Jan to see have applicants commenced training and then the processing will start.

Sami23 · 12-12-2015 12:38am

mayota wrote: »

I don't think there'll be any payments until at least February. DAFM will first wait until 1st Jan to see have applicants commenced training and then the processing will start.

On the other hand they could pay out to those who already have their qualification in December

viztopia · 13-12-2015 11:16pm

So boys and girls, payments due to start tomorrow. Feels a bit like years ago on Christmas Eve going to bed and waking up in the morning to see what santa brought....
Although I have a feeling that there is a grinch about somewhere!

barnaman · 13-12-2015 11:26pm

Live in hope!

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/young-farmers-scheme-and-national-reserve-payments-to-commence-in-mid-december-195367/

Payments to young farmers will commence following the successful delivery of the Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) balancing payments and will continue into January or February 2016.

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-12-10a.229
Dail Question last Thursday at the bottom
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context95. To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine the status of applications under the basic payment scheme, the national reserve scheme and the young farmers scheme by persons (details supplied) in County Limerick; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [44489/15]

Simon Coveney (Minister, Department of Agriculture, the Marine and Food; Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context
I can confirm that an application was received from Herd Number <snip> on 29 February 2015 and is currently being processed for payment. An official from my department will contact the named persons directly and inform them of the situation.

sonnybill · 14-12-2015 9:00am

I was getting same message there on Agfood for ages "pending application issues etc" on Entitlements position 2015-2019.

But today it's gone and it's giving me e250 a hectare inc greening for my 2013 lands farmed minus 2015 slight over claim but no mention of my 2015 total Hecrares / naked acres / national reserve.

I'm starting to think that I didn't get it as total given is just what I'd get before any NR

wool521 · 14-12-2015 9:51am

has anyone got paid today?

viztopia · 14-12-2015 10:03am

nothing on my dept online. still the same details as last week

14-12-2015 11:26am

wool521 wrote: »

has anyone got paid today?

My Agfood is showing the new entitlements and greening with payment listed for today in the bps section. Nothing in financial services or a/c yet though.

mayota · 14-12-2015 11:29am

viztopia wrote: »

nothing on my dept online. still the same details as last week

Same here.

viztopia · 14-12-2015 11:32am

well done. Do you mind me asking had you any entitlements before and have you the educational part completed?

3611 wrote: »

My Agfood is showing the new entitlements and greening with payment listed for today in the bps section. Nothing in financial services or a/c yet though.

Sami23 · 14-12-2015 11:32am

3611 wrote: »

My Agfood is showing the new entitlements and greening with payment listed for today in the bps section. Nothing in financial services or a/c yet though.

Nothing showing up for me yet.
What value entitlements including young farmer top up are ye getting from national reserve ?

merryberry · 14-12-2015 11:34am

3611 wrote: »

My Agfood is showing the new entitlements and greening with payment listed for today in the bps section. Nothing in financial services or a/c yet though.

Same here average bps entitlement value is €173.43. Greening is estimated. No figure for young farmer topup yet

cattle man · 14-12-2015 11:34am

3611 wrote: »

My Agfood is showing the new entitlements and greening with payment listed for today in the bps section. Nothing in financial services or a/c yet though.

Hi

just out of interest was all your land owned and not rented. my friend has the same on his online system now with info of entitlements and greening but I still have nothing but my ground was all rented.

14-12-2015 11:43am

Average unit value is €173.43, greening €76.60 and young farmer looks to be 25% of this combined.

I didn't have entitlements previously and was naked land.

Educational requirements a bit of a grey area, I have a level five from a long time ago plus a degree. Never received a letter regarding requiring further ed requirement, but I am starting a level six this week.

14-12-2015 11:45am

merryberry wrote: »

Same here average bps entitlement value is €173.43. Greening is estimated. No figure for young farmer topup yet

Go into the application and payments summary under farm details, it should show total amount there under Dps payment

merryberry · 14-12-2015 11:46am

3611 wrote: »

Average unit value is €173.43, greening €76.60 and young farmer looks to be 25% of this combined.

I didn't have entitlements previously and was naked land.

Educational requirements a bit of a grey area, I have a level five from a long time ago plus a degree. Never received a letter regarding requiring further ed requirement, but I am starting a level six this week.

Are u sure young farmer topup is a 25% of combined bps and greening or just bps on its own. Better if it's a combination

14-12-2015 11:57am

merryberry wrote: »

Are u sure young farmer topup is a 25% of combined bps and greening or just bps on its own. Better if it's a combination

It only gives a value for the entitlements, I had to divide the ha. by the figure for the greening and actually the Ysf looks to be 26.39% of the entitlement and greening. Now the quicker they can get it into my account the better

Nettleman · 14-12-2015 1:14pm

nothing showing here

marathon · 14-12-2015 1:16pm

I have bps and greening but nothing for young farmers

Toplink · 14-12-2015 2:44pm

marathon wrote: »

I have bps and greening but nothing for young farmers

Same as yourself, no updates as yet

barnaman · 14-12-2015 5:24pm

Nothin mine same as usual just shows BPS application made and YF. No payment of anything

barnaman · 14-12-2015 5:26pm

Also checked with bank no payments pending waiting to clear.

Jb1989 · 14-12-2015 5:36pm

barnaman wrote: »

Nothin mine same as usual just shows BPS application made and YF. No payment of anything

Did you get anc payment either?

barnaman · 14-12-2015 5:43pm

No but speaking to Ag adivsor these payments have payment runs. So if approved my ANC has been cleared to be paid that been double checked on Friday it comes perhaps on a Thursday of this week. How all these seem to work is ANC Portlaoise clears a payment to Herd X that goes to Fiance in Cavan to then make a payment on their payments run dates which are fixed, so ANC is for example the Thursday of every week,

Jb1989 · 14-12-2015 5:50pm

barnaman wrote: »

No but speaking to Ag adivsor these payments have payment runs. So if approved my ANC has been cleared to be paid that been double checked on Friday it comes perhaps on a Thursday of this week. How all these seem to work is ANC Portlaoise clears a payment to Herd X that goes to Fiance in Cavan to then make a payment on their payments run dates which are fixed, so ANC is for example the Thursday of every week,

Disgrace,
I at least got anc although it was two months late. 3rd November
Rightly stuck for the 97% bps at the mo, held up due to transfer of entitlements.
I rang today and they weren't overally hopeful of any payment before Christmas, but there's so many like me, including yourself,
Even part payment would take the pressure off us.

hurling_lad · 14-12-2015 6:15pm

My young farmer scheme payment is now showing up under the "DPS payments" tab in the "Application and Payments" section on BPS page of the agfood website.

RightTurnClyde · 14-12-2015 6:27pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

Disgrace,
I at least got anc although it was two months late. 3rd November
Rightly stuck for the 97% bps at the mo, held up due to transfer of entitlements.
I rang today and they weren't overally hopeful of any payment before Christmas, but there's so many like me, including yourself,
Even part payment would take the pressure off us.

The transfer of entitlements seems to be causing them massive issues. Problem lies at IT level apparently. Surely they could have foreseen this problem. I seem to have been paid a National Reserve payment today instead of the value of the transferred entitlements. So I'm sure that getting this today is going to cause even more issues with getting my proper payment.

Sami23 · 14-12-2015 6:30pm

Do ye mind me asking anyone that has payments showing for national reserve 2day did anyone already have entitlements and just applied for extra for land that had none.
That is my situation and I have nothing new showing 2day ?

Jb1989 · 14-12-2015 6:33pm

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

The transfer of entitlements seems to be causing them massive issues. Problem lies at IT level apparently. Surely they could have foreseen this problem. I seem to have been paid a National Reserve payment today instead of the value of the transferred entitlements. So I'm sure that getting this today is going to cause even more issues with getting my proper payment.

Good and bad so

barnaman · 14-12-2015 6:36pm

Amazed no stories on Journal etc about this cock up. Was awake till 5.30 this morning wondering how to pay bills. If this goes to February its a real killer.

Greengrass1 · 14-12-2015 6:45pm

barnaman wrote: »

Amazed no stories on Journal etc about this cock up. Was awake till 5.30 this morning wondering how to pay bills. If this goes to February its a real killer.

Rough situation to be in barnaman.
Can bank give you am over draft?
Y ag advisor tells me letters are to be sent out this week to everyone outlining that there eligible and what there getting

Jb1989 · 14-12-2015 6:47pm

barnaman wrote: »

Amazed no stories on Journal etc about this cock up. Was awake till 5.30 this morning wondering how to pay bills. If this goes to February its a real killer.

Thought the same, I scanned the Internet for fresh headlines, but all seems quiet at the mo.
I know the feeling, lovely overdue meal bills gathering at the mo with monthly interests, lovely )))

barnaman · 14-12-2015 6:51pm

thanks lad. Bank biggest one need to repay! loan repayment tomorrow! Got it sorted through borrowin from mother who used an overdraft and sold cattle. Most other lads been paid through year so only a few months account.

Thanks good to hear hopefully letter this week. that all ties in with what was told ages ago and posted payment will be Christmas week!

sonnybill · 15-12-2015 1:09am

I've payment for NR and yFS showing 14.12.15.

Net unit value 173.43 plus greening brings it up to 250.03 across all hectares

National reserve

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