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  • #202
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    MYOB wrote: »
    2+1 is used in Sweden on roads with traffic levels we'd use a narrow S2 on. It *does not work* on the traffic volumes we use 2+2 for. We trialled them here and they've been catastrophic.

    That and the Swedes do not have the problem of "Bungalow Blitz *cough* Bliss" that we have blighting every rural road.


  • #203
    Irish and Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    dubhthach wrote: »
    That and the Swedes do not have the problem of "Bungalow Blitz *cough* Bliss" that we have blighting every rural road.

    +1

    I've said it before, this type of settlement should not be allowed anymore - it's simply unsustainable in terms of transport, use of resources, energy use etc! That's not to mention the blight on the landscape!

    Regards!


  • #204
    summer11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭summer11


    Are we still on for 1st November here???


  • #205
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    lordofthedung wrote: »
    But going back to the N21 and the route these days with traffic decreasing at an alarming rate it does not support a dual carriage from Adare to NCW but if you want to build a dual carriage then they should think about putting this road on the Foynes side of the present N21 and link in the N69 into it.
    That is ruled out by the presence of a national park (I also independently came up with the same idea). Check OSM to see it. This is also the same reason that the proposed Adare bypass is passing awkwardly to the south of the town instead of using a far more logical northly routing.

    Traffic decreasing at an alarming rate? Have you even heard of the recession? What do you think is going to happen to the traffic when it ends?

    You're starting to sound like a troll, mate.


  • #206
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Traffic decreasing? My ring it is! I have never in my life seen the roads so busy around the midlands and west

    Even this morning - 6.30 on the road and hitting decent traffic the whole way from west to midlands on the main roads

    Will someone please show me examples of places where traffic is down, because i certainly have not seen it


  • #207
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    + 1

    Drove tralee - galway last weekend.
    traffic mental in tralee, castleisland, abbeyfeale, newcastlewest & adare.

    adare to ennis went swimmingly (thanks to the tunnel!)

    gort wasn't too bad....
    clarinbridge made up for it though...

    still, i made it in 2:45.
    i remember the bad old days when it took me 4 hrs to drive tralee-galway!

    but i appreciate what you are saying...
    the traffic around tralee and also the n21 tralee-adare seems busier now than before ... but i obviously don't have a scientific basis for this!

    veryangryman wrote: »
    Traffic decreasing? My ring it is! I have never in my life seen the roads so busy around the midlands and west

    Even this morning - 6.30 on the road and hitting decent traffic the whole way from west to midlands on the main roads

    Will someone please show me examples of places where traffic is down, because i certainly have not seen it


  • #208
    summer11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭summer11


    I must agree with V.Angry Man and Fresca.

    Traffic counters in and around Adare may be showing a slight drop but anytime I have travelled this road between Adare and Castleisland - traffic volumes are the same and more dangerous than ever.

    I am beginning to suspect that Lord of The Dung must have some business located along the N21.......there can be no other reason... the N21 between Adare and Castleisland is a death trap and will continue to be so until it is developed as 2+2.

    Remember, when M7 and M18(Gort) are completed in November, added to Ryanair cutting back on Kerry/Dublin - this road will become even more busier and more deadly than ever.


  • #209
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    i would imagine that Aer Arann will be offered the PSO for kerry-dublin.
    but either way, i take your point, on the increased traffic.
    summer11 wrote: »
    ... added to Ryanair cutting back on Kerry/Dublin....


  • #210
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    fresca wrote: »
    i would imagine that Aer Arann will be offered the PSO for kerry-dublin.
    but either way, i take your point, on the increased traffic.

    No, Aer arann wont be offered the PSO. Ryanair have the PSO now however its being discontinued. Hence Ryanair will now only operate on a commercial basis.


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  • #211
    summer11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭summer11


    Well Fresca,

    Any update on mooted 1st November opening for C'island bypass?

    Passed by today and it looked to be ready to open......


  • #212
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    summer11 wrote: »
    Well Fresca,

    Any update on mooted 1st November opening for C'island bypass?

    Passed by today and it looked to be ready to open......

    would be nice if they could open it a week earlier in time for the October bank holiday which will be my next trip down to Kerry. I will then get to enjoy the new Limerick-Birdhill road and the C'island bypass for the first time!!


  • #213
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    nothing yet :)
    but i'll ask on sat...

    btw, i have some photos to post up, but i'm getting a 503 - service not available when trying to attach. anyone else getting this?
    summer11 wrote: »
    Well Fresca,

    Any update on mooted 1st November opening for C'island bypass?

    Passed by today and it looked to be ready to open......


  • #214
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    fresca wrote: »
    nothing yet :)
    but i'll ask on sat...

    btw, i have some photos to post up, but i'm getting a 503 - service not available when trying to attach. anyone else getting this?

    They might be too big? Are they saved as JPEGs?


  • #215
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Thanks Furet. That's exactly it. The jpg files are too large (allowed 2mb per file).
    I'll use Paint.NET http://www.getpaint.net/ to reduce resolution.
    Furet wrote: »
    They might be too big? Are they saved as JPEGs?


  • #216
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    i've posted up some photos from last sunday 3-oct.
    sorry for delay.
    you'll find them over on the other n21 thread...
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68384231


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  • #217
    tharlear
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tharlear


    fresca

    On the first 2 pic you posted, a and b there appears to be a slight movement in the carrageway form right to left and then back just before the overpass. Is that real or just a camera trick?


  • #218
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    I see what you mean.
    If you look at the photos from the overbridge, you can deffinately see a slight "kink" in the median. :)
    I think that this is real and it will be interesting to see how this drives....

    tharlear wrote: »
    fresca

    On the first 2 pic you posted, a and b there appears to be a slight movement in the carrageway form right to left and then back just before the overpass. Is that real or just a camera trick?


  • #219
    summer11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭summer11


    There is an good chance that Castleisland bypass will open on 22nd October.

    Testing is ongoing this week and early next week.


  • #220
    marmurr1916
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭marmurr1916


    Will this be Kerry's first dual carriageway?


  • #221
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    marmurr1916 wrote: »
    Will this be Kerry's first dual carriageway?

    Yes.

    There was one proposed before (Full DC spec) on the N21 Tralee-Ballycarthy section but it was pulled due to a woods nearby and WS2 was built instead.


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  • #222
    summer11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭summer11


    tech2 wrote: »
    Yes.

    There was one proposed before (Full DC spec) on the N21 Tralee-Ballycarthy section but it was pulled due to a woods nearby and WS2 was built instead.


    Not technically correct - this is 2 plus 2 - DC is another level up.


  • #223
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    summer11 wrote: »


    Not technically correct - this is 2 plus 2 - DC is another level up.

    It is correct. The Castleisland bypass will be Kerry's first stretch of dual carriageway. The NRA also call it Type 2 Dual Carriageway

    The road is divided by a wire rope therefore there is two carriageways.


  • #224
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    update over on the other n21 thread.
    looks like the the dual carriageway / 2+2 section is almost ready to rock!!!
    (yippeee)

    btw, there were no articles on this project in local press this week...


  • #225
    mk6705
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    For those of you who were saying the N23 section is S2, take a look at it from both sides, looks pretty WS2 to me! By the way I'm not starting an argument, just stating the observation.


  • #226
    lottpaul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    Raidio na Gaeltachta is quoting the NRA as saying the bypass will open on October 22nd.


  • #227
    mossieh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭mossieh


    The announcement on route selection for the Adare/NCW/Abbeyfeale section has now been pushed back to December, apparently.


  • #228
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    mossieh wrote: »
    The announcement on route selection for the Adare/NCW/Abbeyfeale section has now been pushed back to December, apparently.
    That Terrible news, This just give local people who are effect more to fume about. Did they say what is holding them up?


  • #229
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Glad its moving ahead a bit but the few months will make no difference as that has no chance of happening anytime soon.


  • #230
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    a new thread was started over on the kerry section for the tralee bypass project.
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056063250

    lots of photos


  • #231
    LK_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭LK_Dave


    Another person killed at Barnagh (N21) over the weekend. That is the fifth person in as many months. The NRA who keeps putting off the decision to select a route for the Adare/NCW/Abbeyfeale by-pass and those groups objecting to the scheme should think very carefully about this and the other deaths. This stretch of road is killing people as it always has.


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  • #232
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    LK_Dave wrote: »
    Another person killed at Barnagh (N21) over the weekend. That is the fifth person in as many months. The NRA who keeps putting off the decision to select a route for the Adare/NCW/Abbeyfeale by-pass and those groups objecting to the scheme should think very carefully about this and the other deaths. This stretch of road is killing people as it always has.
    It seems lives are not worth the money, By local reports that the young women driver was the cause of the accident with crazy overtaking coming down the hill. One driver drove his car into the field at the side of the hill on the climbing lane section to avoid her. She was driving like a boy racer.

    Another Crash in NCW yesterday at the pedestrian crossing in front of Tesco's on the N21 main road. Rear end collision. The female Mayo car driver that did the rear ending was badly damage up the the front wheels (twisted) in the 50kph zone and ended up on the pedestrian crossing. The rear ended car was gone when I arrived.

    Barnagh is one big accident blackspot I do not know why Gardai are not there with cameras and radar guns getting people for speeding at Barnagh and overtaking on continuous white lines rather than been on edge of long 60kph wide roads where there is not danger and never has been.


  • #233
    mossieh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭mossieh


    LK_Dave wrote: »
    Another person killed at Barnagh (N21) over the weekend. That is the fifth person in as many months. The NRA who keeps putting off the decision to select a route for the Adare/NCW/Abbeyfeale by-pass and those groups objecting to the scheme should think very carefully about this and the other deaths. This stretch of road is killing people as it always has.
    Are you implying that someone who objects to a chosen route for whatever reason bears some responsibility for deaths on the existing route? Really?


  • #234
    lordofthedung
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭lordofthedung


    It is with deep sorrow I heard of the death of this young girl in Barna at the weekend and I pray she and the other four will rest in peace.

    No matter when they choose the route for the Adare to Abbeyfeale road they will not be able to build it for the next five to ten years with the state this country is in.

    Anyway if they could build it in the morning and open it in the evening this will not stop the deaths on this road unless they close it altogether and they can't because it is needed to carry local traffic so why can they not improve it by building a new section from the end of Barna bypassing NCW on the Ardagh side, this might take 6 to 9 months and cost maybe 10 to €12,000,000 and save maybe 80-120 lives over the next 10 years.

    This should have been done some 20 years ago when they straighten the road from the top of Barna to the bad bends where these deaths keep happening.


  • #235
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    lordofthedung wrote: »

    Anyway if they could build it in the morning and open it in the evening this will not stop the deaths on this road unless they close it altogether and they can't because it is needed to carry local traffic so why can they not improve it by building a new section from the end of Barna bypassing NCW on the Ardagh side, this might take 6 to 9 months and cost maybe 10 to €12,000,000 and save maybe 80-120 lives over the next 10 years.

    This should have been done some 20 years ago when they straighten the road from the top of Barna to the bad bends where these deaths keep happening.
    The Death keep happening on this stretch because people do not have patience and are taking huge risks with everybody lives and stupidly believe they have total control of their vehicle and wrongly believe that nothing will happen to them.


  • #236
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    EMERGENCY safety works are to be carried out on the N21 outside Newcastle West following the fatal accident that claimed the life of 20-year-old Liva Eglite last Sunday, making her the fifth person to be killed on the deadly stretch of road this year and the fourth within the past month.

    There was an outpouring of grief and anger across west Limerick this week following the latest fatality on the section of road at Barnagh, between Templeglantine and Newcastle West.

    The death of Ms Eglite, a law student at the University of Limerick who had been returning home to Newcastle West after finishing work at the Devon Inn Hotel, brings to nine the number of people killed on the road in recent years, and comes just one month after the horrific two-vehicle crash that claimed the lives of locals Richard Furey, Tommy Holmes and Tommy Murphy.

    Following mounting pressure from local councillors and the public, Limerick County Council confirmed that temporary warning signs will be erected along the N21 immediately, with new hazard and electronic warning signs to be put in place before Christmas.

    An application has also been made to the National Roads Authority (NRA) to realign the road and reduce the threat of dangerous bends between Garryduff Cross and Barnagh.

    Ms Eglite, who was originally from Latvia and had been living at Cork Road, Newcastle West, with her mother, stepfather and siblings for a number of years, was killed when her black Honda Integra was involved in a four-car collision at Ballymurragh at 10.10pm on Sunday.

    A four-year-old boy, who was also injured in the accident, was transferred to Our Lady's Children's Hospital, Crumlin, for treatment, while a man in his 40s and a woman in her 30s were treated for shock.

    Link


  • #237
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Minister Killeen to officially open Castleisland Bypass

    The Castleisland Bypass will be officially opened on Friday, October 22nd, by Minister for Defence, Tony Killeen.
    The 5.5km road bypasses Castleisland to the west of the town and links the N23 Killarney Road at Clashganniv to the N21 Limerick Road at Dooneen, via the N21 Tralee Road at Knockannagore.
    The Limerick Road-Tralee Road section consists of 3.4km of Type 2 Dual Carriageway. A single-carriageway links the N21 Tralee Road to the N23 Killarney Road.
    Construction work on the €34m project started on the Bypass by Bam Civil Engineering in May 2009, and was due to finish in December 2010. However, good weather conditions in 2010 and a strong push by the contractors saw the Bypass finish well ahead of schedule.
    “I am delighted at the progress of the Castleisland Bypass over the past 15 months, and it is terrific to be able to open it before Christmas,” Mayor of Kerry, Cllr Pat Leahy stated.
    “It is no secret that the town of Castleisland has suffered from chronic traffic congestion and the opening of the Bypass will benefit the town hugely. To be finished two months ahead of schedule is a fantastic achievement, and I want to pay credit to Bam Civil Engineering, contractors on the project, Jacobs Engineering and RPS of Cork.
    “I also want to pay particular credit to the staff of the Kerry National Road Design Office in Castleisland. Matt Corridan and his staff put in a huge effort to ensure that this project was ready to get off the ground when funding became available, and their efforts have also helped to bring the project through in time and on budget.
    “The people of Castleisland must also get huge credit for their efforts in keeping the Castleisland Bypass in the spotlight and in pushing for the project to start.”
    The Castleisland Bypass is projected to divert 70% of all traffic from the town centre. Over three-quarters of Heavy Goods Vehicles (HGVs) will also be diverted from the Town Centre.


    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/ministertoofficiallyopencastleislandbypass/


  • #238
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    The bypass will open to traffic at 3.30pm and the opening ceremony will be at 11am.


  • #239
    IrlJidel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭IrlJidel


    Openstreetmap don't appear to have any active mappers in that region. Our map there is fairly sparse.
    http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.2333&lon=-9.467&zoom=13&layers=M

    Much obliged if someone could collect a gps trace of the new by-pass (or any other roads there) so we can add it to the map.

    Here's a comparison of Google and OSM map in that area:
    http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=-9.47502&lat=52.23957&zoom=12


  • #240
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    anyone been through yet?
    is she open?


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  • #241
    db
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭db


    limklad wrote: »
    The Death keep happening on this stretch because people do not have patience and are taking huge risks with everybody lives and stupidly believe they have total control of their vehicle and wrongly believe that nothing will happen to them.
    lordofthedung wrote: »
    It is with deep sorrow I heard of the death of this young girl in Barna at the weekend and I pray she and the other four will rest in peace.

    No matter when they choose the route for the Adare to Abbeyfeale road they will not be able to build it for the next five to ten years with the state this country is in.

    Anyway if they could build it in the morning and open it in the evening this will not stop the deaths on this road unless they close it altogether and they can't because it is needed to carry local traffic so why can they not improve it by building a new section from the end of Barna bypassing NCW on the Ardagh side, this might take 6 to 9 months and cost maybe 10 to €12,000,000 and save maybe 80-120 lives over the next 10 years.

    This should have been done some 20 years ago when they straighten the road from the top of Barna to the bad bends where these deaths keep happening.

    I was involved in a fatal accident on this road 20 years ago. I wonder how many lives have been lost since and how many more will be lost before the road is improved.


  • #242
    mk6705
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    After the Castleisland bypass there's only one more link left in the chain - Abbeyfeale to Adare. While it may not be started for years, it's nice to see that there's now a very good standard of road all the way inside Kerry. I would say there's definitely a case for upgrading the entire route inside Kerry to 2+2, it would deliver value for money anyway. Progress is being made at least, as slow as it is.


  • #243
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    About 10 years ago the N21 in most part through Kerry was an absolute deathtrap. Headleys bridge was a notorious blackspot and Castleisland to Tralee was rubbish. The minor realignments at both sides of Castleisland felt like high quality runways at the time given how bad the rest of the road was. The upgrade has been astonishing with Castleisland- Abbeyfeale, Castleisland-Ballycarthy, Ballycarthy-Tralee and now finally the Castleisland bypass.


  • #244
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    I reckon that castleisland to abbeyfeale could be upgraded to 2+2 "relatively" easily. For the most part, there is significant margin on either side.

    Adro947 wrote: »
    After the Castleisland bypass there's only one more link left in the chain - Abbeyfeale to Adare. While it may not be started for years, it's nice to see that there's now a very good standard of road all the way inside Kerry. I would say there's definitely a case for upgrading the entire route inside Kerry to 2+2, it would deliver value for money anyway. Progress is being made at least, as slow as it is.


  • #245
    mk6705
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    fresca wrote: »
    I reckon that castleisland to abbeyfeale could be upgraded to 2+2 "relatively" easily. For the most part, there is significant margin on either side.

    Absolutely and Tralee to Ballycarty is nearly wide enough for HQDC (that's nearly)...maybe 2+2 with a little hard shoulder is possible, or a wider margin.

    Ballycarty to Castleisland is wide enough also, might take a small amound of widening but I reckon it's possible.


  • #246
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/
    Route of new Adare-Abbeyfeale Road to be revealed by end of year

    The route for a new 400 million euro road from Adare to Abbeyfeale will be revealed before the end of the year.
    Limerick County Council says the National Roads Authority and the Mid West National Roads Designs Office will unveil their preferred route by the end of next month.
    Three routes have been identified as possible options on the main Kerry to Limerick Road.
    A protest group - the N21 Route Action Association - has argued that instead of building a new road, Abbeyfeale and Newcastle West should be bypassed thereby saving money.
    Limerick County Council rejects this.
    It says the new road will be a dual carriage - not a tolled motorway.


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  • #247
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    I think they announced the preferred route for the M6 in Galway about 3years before they started construction so I wouldn't hold my breath regarding when construction would actually start on the N21


  • #248
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    And for any reason of sanity, this cant be touched until at least 2015, because if things to go plan (ha), the M20 North and Adare bypass would start then.

    You simply cant have Adare sandwiched between two bits of DC/motorway, the PPP has to go ahead before Adare to Abbeyfeale is touched.


  • #249
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,571 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    We had Abbeyleix virtually sandwiched between two bits of HQDC...


  • #250
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Thats true but there was about 30km of it. With the Adare case it would be what, about 8-10km, much closer to both ends of DC/motorway?


  • #251
    Zoney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Zoney


    Adro947 wrote: »
    After the Castleisland bypass there's only one more link left in the chain - Abbeyfeale to Adare. While it may not be started for years, it's nice to see that there's now a very good standard of road all the way inside Kerry. I would say there's definitely a case for upgrading the entire route inside Kerry to 2+2, it would deliver value for money anyway. Progress is being made at least, as slow as it is.

    Really makes it look so ridiculous the state of N20 Limerick to Cork, an intercity route, when the roads in Kerry have had so much more attention.


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