Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

Bruno26 · 23-06-2014 8:15pm

Clearlier wrote: »

You can eat 10,000 calories a day and not put on any fat. The point that some posters seem to be making is that your ideas are derived entirely from reading Tim Noakes twitter feed and that you have little awareness of the multitude of alternative arguments.

I think your the only poster who came up with that one!

You seriously think I've only read into tim noakes? Do you want a list?

popolive · 23-06-2014 10:51pm

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Nothing to do with you at all but the bolded part is exactly why people are so convinced that eating low carb is the reason for weight loss and not calorie deficits.

One egg would not make me happy. However eggs are a great alternative. Porridge has a large number of calories per bowl which is why I advised the OP to try making it with water instead of milk and still retain the benefits of oats but miss nothing much from losing the milk.

boredatwork82 · 25-06-2014 11:47am

This morning I had 2 scrambled eggs with some sprouts (alfalfa or something like that) and spinach.

I used my non stick wok and had them cooked in about 1 min.
So I will be investigating ways of getting creative with scrambled eggs (can anyone say bird eye chillis!)

runawaybishop · 25-06-2014 1:34pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Did I say 6,000 somewhere? You can certainly eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat.

Bullsh1t alert.

Bruno26 · 25-06-2014 2:04pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Bullsh1t alert.

Is it possible to eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat?

Three examples: Sam Feltham, Cereal Killers, Michael Phelps.

Yes it is.

runawaybishop · 25-06-2014 2:19pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Is it possible to eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat?

Three examples: Sam Feltham, Cereal Killers, Michael Phelps.

Yes it is.

Yes its possible, but not if your requirements are 3k.

Inbefore you tell me to go look at a youtube video from a guy with a "degree" from the university of life raging against the corporate/government machine.

Are you Jim Corr by any chance?

generic2012 · 25-06-2014 2:26pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Is it possible to eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat?

Three examples: Sam Feltham, Cereal Killers, Michael Phelps.

Yes it is.

Michael Phelps eats boatloads of white bread and pizza.

This means you can't put on weight by eating carbs.

#logic

SteelyDanJalapeno · 25-06-2014 2:31pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Is it possible to eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat?

Three examples: Sam Feltham, Cereal Killers, Michael Phelps.

Yes it is.

What?!

You've previously been claiming you can eat over your requirements with fat and not put on weight, that's not true here, thats well below their requirements.

And have you seen Phelps diet? pretty much contradicts your arguments using Phelps.

"Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks."

generic2012 · 25-06-2014 3:05pm

TiltedBrain wrote: »

What?!

You've previously been claiming you can eat over your requirements with fat and not put on weight, that's not true here, thats well below there requirements.

And have you seen Phelps diet? pretty much contradicts your arguments using Phelps.

"Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks."

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Bruno26 · 25-06-2014 4:50pm

generic2012 wrote: »

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What a pointless post!

Are you more knowledgable than Tim Noakes?

runawaybishop · 25-06-2014 4:52pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

What a pointless post!

Are you more knowledgable than Tim Noakes?

Old Goalpost

New Goalpost

Bruno26 · 25-06-2014 4:54pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Yes its possible, but not if your requirements are 3k.

Inbefore you tell me to go look at a youtube video from a guy with a "degree" from the university of life raging against the corporate/government machine.

Are you Jim Corr by any chance?

What's your point?

The question again- is it possible to eat 5,000 calories and not get fat? Answer is yes.

Phelps obviously did incredible amounts of exercise- hence why he could eat pretty much anything.

Cereal killer guy did hardly any exercise- less than 10 minutes daily.

generic2012 · 25-06-2014 7:06pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

What's your point?

The question again- is it possible to eat 5,000 calories and not get fat? Answer is yes.

Phelps obviously did incredible amounts of exercise- hence why he could eat pretty much anything.

Cereal killer guy did hardly any exercise- less than 10 minutes daily.

Is it possible to eat over 5,000 calories from carbs and not get fat? Yes

Therefore eating anything less than that doesn't mean you'll get fat. You're right! Never thought of it that way! Cheers Bruno! Carbz4life

generic2012 · 25-06-2014 7:08pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

What a pointless post!

Are you more knowledgable than Tim Noakes?

Exactly.

Yes.

Bruno26 · 25-06-2014 7:46pm

generic2012 wrote: »

Exactly.

Yes.

That's an outrageous claim. Where is the science to back it up. Can you provide links to the papers and books you've written and to the lectures you've given?

generic2012 · 26-06-2014 8:07am

Bruno26 wrote: »

That's an outrageous claim. Where is the science to back it up. Can you provide links to the papers and books you've written and to the lectures you've given?

I read it in a book and saw it in a movie which is close as it's gonna get to backing it up. And if you provide evidence I'm just going to ignore it and keep making claims as if I have a monopoly on the truth. Sorry kid, you lose.

Frigga_92 · 26-06-2014 9:35am

generic2012 wrote: »

Agree with everything apart from the wheat part. What about moving any HFLC and Paleo discussion to the religion forums where they would be most suited?

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That's unfair to posters like ford2600 who believe in the benefits of HFLC because it works for them and don't push it as a silver bullet.

I also eat HFLC and I don't push any agenda on here, I post quite irregularly in this forum but I do read it a lot.
There are advocates of all types of diets and ways of eating who go over the top with their soapboxing.

runawaybishop · 26-06-2014 10:50am

Bruno26 wrote: »

What's your point?

The point is you talk a lot of nonsense.

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 10:59am

runawaybishop wrote: »

The point is you talk a lot of nonsense.

In your head. You changed the goalposts as you like to say.

boredatwork82 · 26-06-2014 11:04am

This is my most popular of thread on boards ever. Delighted with that.
I think the big thing is to find out what works for you. There is no 1 size fits all diet. You take some advice try it. If it works you keep it, if it doesn't you try something else.
Last week I ate porridge in the morning. I felt great last week, this week I have substituted porridge with eggs and salad. I don't feel as great. Maybe I need to keep a small element of carbs in my diet.

generic2012 · 26-06-2014 11:06am

boredatwork82 wrote: »

This is my most popular of thread on boards ever. Delighted with that.
I think the big thing is to find out what works for you. There is no 1 size fits all diet. You take some advice try it. If it works you keep it, if it doesn't you try something else.
Last week I ate porridge in the morning. I felt great last week, this week I have substituted porridge with eggs and salad. I don't feel as great. Maybe I need to keep a small element of carbs in my diet.

An element of everything. Just keep the calories in check.

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 1:21pm

generic2012 wrote: »

An element of everything. Just keep the calories in check.

That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.

generic2012 · 26-06-2014 1:42pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.

You're insane. How can you blame the advice? People don't do it, there's nothing wrong in advice. Cop on.

conzy · 26-06-2014 1:46pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.

This is simply untrue. The best "diet" is one that can be adhered to in the long term, a lot of us who are very interested in training and nutrition can find strict diets tough. How long is average joe going to stick it out if he has to eliminate most foods?

People need to eat more dietary fat, the low fat diets have caused more harm than good. But people do not need to eliminate carbs and their favourite foods

You can be strong / lean and healthy and still eat a snickers or a bap every day

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 2:13pm

conzy wrote: »

This is simply untrue. The best "diet" is one that can be adhered to in the long term, a lot of us who are very interested in training and nutrition can find strict diets tough. How long is average joe going to stick it out if he has to eliminate most foods?

People need to eat more dietary fat, the low fat diets have caused more harm than good. But people do not need to eliminate carbs and their favourite foods

You can be strong / lean and healthy and still eat a snickers or a bap every day

All you are eliminating is processed foods containing grains and sugar, i.e. 3/4 of the supermarket.

So there is not enough food choice for the average person in meat, fish, dairy, eggs, veg, fruit, nuts, seeds, spices? What is strict about that.

Yes you can but there is no need to consume a snickers bar / bap if you eat properly.

Essien · 26-06-2014 2:15pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Yes you can but there is no need to consume a snickers bar / bap if you eat properly.

And there's no need not to if you can fit it into your diet while still achieving your goals.

runawaybishop · 26-06-2014 2:20pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked?

Yes it works. Its when people don't eat in moderation that there are issues.

Alf Veedersane · 26-06-2014 2:29pm

The OED just called, Bruno. They're updating the definition of 'irony':

Bruno26 wrote: »

That is not good advice.

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 2:36pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The OED just called, Bruno. They're updating the definition of 'irony':

How was it ironic?

An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.

Essien · 26-06-2014 2:47pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.

Could...if you're a fcuking idiot...but nobody here is advocating that.

Typer Monkey · 26-06-2014 2:58pm

Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?

Alf Veedersane · 26-06-2014 3:02pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

How was it ironic?

An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.

If people feel they could adjust their eating habits without too much tweaking, e.g. adjusting portion size, you'll get a lot more buy in than if they think they have to change their diet completely so that they eat exactly like you.

I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...

runawaybishop · 26-06-2014 3:03pm

Typer Monkey wrote: »

Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?

Then you'd have new users or casual readers seeing his bullsh1t statements and taking them as truth.

Typer Monkey · 26-06-2014 3:05pm

Yeah I know what you're saying. It's so frustrating

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 3:38pm

Typer Monkey wrote: »

Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?

What nonsense and outrageous claims have I written about?

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 3:42pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If people feel they could adjust their eating habits without too much tweaking, e.g. adjusting portion size, you'll get a lot more buy in than if they think they have to change their diet completely so that they eat exactly like you.

I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...

No it doesn't.

That would depend on what you've said in lectures, who you are lecturing for and to what audience, what you've been educated on, how well read you are, what you believe to be true, do you have vested interests, etc.

runawaybishop · 26-06-2014 3:47pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

What nonsense and outrageous claims have I written about?

Eating at a surplus will not cause you to put on weight as long as you do not eat sugar or wheat.

^^ that one.

diarmuid05 · 26-06-2014 3:47pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...

I think that's his point...

The people that were giving the lectures for 30 years were wrong.....

diarmuid05 · 26-06-2014 3:49pm

diarmuid05 wrote: »

I think that's his point...

The people that were giving the lectures for 30 years were wrong.....

Of course that would include Tim Noakes

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 3:53pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Eating at a surplus will not cause you to put on weight as long as you do not eat sugar or wheat.

^^ that one.

Incorrect. I never said that. Get your facts right.
Sugar (including fruit), all grains, limit starchy veg and certain nuts. You can eat a surplus and you will not get fat if you follow a hflc way of eating. If you are fat you will lose fat. That is what I said.

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 3:55pm

diarmuid05 wrote: »

Of course that would include Tim Noakes

Indeed- he was also wrong. He's been very honest and has openly admitted that.

Alf Veedersane · 26-06-2014 3:57pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

No it doesn't.

That would depend on what you've said in lectures, who you are lecturing for and to what audience, what you've been educated on, how well read you are, what you believe to be true, do you have vested interests, etc.

I have many leather bound books.

I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

I have no vested interests.

diarmuid05 · 26-06-2014 3:58pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I have many leather bound books.

I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

I have no vested interests.

Have you ever been wrong?:D

Alf Veedersane · 26-06-2014 3:59pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Indeed- he was also wrong. He's been very honest and has openly admitted that.

Oryx · 26-06-2014 4:01pm

Every day I come on to this forum. Every day I see the same people having the same debate, across multiple threads. I'm tired of it. Other posters are tired of it.

So this is it. It stops now. If you guys want to argue this same thing everyday, all day long, by all means do so, but dont do it here. WE GET IT. Bruno doesnt like carbs.

From here on in, on topic, relevant and not repetitive are the watchwords to bear in mind when posting. This kind of petty ongoing debate will get you banned.

ford2600 · 26-06-2014 4:03pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

I call bull****

Name all three Karamazov brothers without cheating...

runawaybishop · 26-06-2014 4:07pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Incorrect. I never said that. Get your facts right.
Sugar (including fruit), all grains, limit starchy veg and certain nuts. You can eat a surplus and you will not get fat if you follow a hflc way of eating. If you are fat you will lose fat. That is what I said.

You are full of sh1t bruno. You said exactly that you spoofer.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Weight will be lost due to elimination of sugar & grains and therefore most carbs also. Eat over daily calorie amount and you will still lose fat

Here are some more nonsense claims you made.

Bruno26 wrote: »

My point us you can eat more calories than put out and nit gain weight but actually lose and maintain weight

Bruno26 wrote: »

it's not possible to get fat from green veg

Bruno26 wrote: »

You cannot get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts

edit: sorry mod, i was putting this together before you posted.

Alf Veedersane · 26-06-2014 4:11pm

ford2600 wrote: »

I call bull****

Name all three Karamazov brothers without cheating...

Des, Johnner and I forget the other one.

Tommo

popolive · 26-06-2014 5:15pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Des, Johnner and I forget the other one.

Tommo

What about Waxer Karamazov and Paddy Joe Karamazov ?

Bruno26 · 26-06-2014 7:04pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

You are full of sh1t bruno. You said exactly that you spoofer.

I'm not and I'm no spoofer. That's an intelligent way to win an argument. Well done.

You changed something I said. You've just proven I've been consistent. Thanks.

I stand over all of what I said. It works for me. I firmly believe it would work for anyone.

Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

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