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When will we begin removing unacceptable books/movies from the past?

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  • #52
    bluecode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭bluecode


    Yes I completely agree, best idea of I've read in ages. We are haunted by the past. It's needs to be re-written to correspond to our future needs.

    All media that does not fit in with our future needs is longer required. But the difficulty will be implementing it.

    I suggest setting up an organisation and a popular movement. All media will be reviewed and a decision made as to whether they be banned or not. Some may only need to be censored. So new editions will need to be printed. We have a long and honourable tradition of censorship in this country. For many years we kept out all sorts of seditious and offensive material. But with that gone the floodgates have been open. No wonder the country is in trouble.

    But how do we get rid of all the subversive material? Simply we can organise recycling days. Book burning has a certain negative connotation. Everybody will be required to register their books and videos and a recycling day will be organised in each community. Everybody will have to bring their banned material for recycling on a particular day. It will be a great day out but it can't be voluntary. So Special Supporters will be needed to organise folk. Each one will be provided with a distincive uniform to reassure folk that they are official Special Supporters. I suggest a khaki uniform with green armbands carrying a white circle with the recycle symbol in the middle. They will be authorised to inspect folk's houses to ensure no banned books remain by accident or oversight.

    Now of course there will be troublemakers and hold outs. We need to deal with them. Unfortunately harsh measures might be needed. But through strength we may reach joy! I think prison is too wasteful of resources and the legal system too complicated so we should set up special work camps where folk can be re-educated. These can be set up in isolated country areas far away from cities.

    Soon folk will see the error of their ways and maybe they can be returned to society.

    I really don't see a downside to all this. I mean what can go wrong?


  • #53
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    bluecode wrote: »
    what can go wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1iV24hL8Rk


  • #54
    bluecode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭bluecode


    Quite correct I have amended the post and removed the word people and changed it to folk.

    Thank you for your service.

    Incidentally that movie will be banned too.


  • #55
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    A couple of years ago while using StumbleUpon I came across a blog post with a picture of a board game from the 1950s. The game box depicted a boy and his father playing said board game while the boys sister and mother were in the kitchen washing dishes. The writer of the blog post was enraged that such a thing could ever have happened and was highly offended at such sexism. There was also dozens of comments about how vile and chauvinistic this game was.


  • #56
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    edit: Just read your last post. Just realised :) (Yes, I'm an idiot) Nice troll. lol
    bluecode wrote:
    Yes I completely agree, best idea of I've read in ages. We are haunted by the past. It's needs to be re-written to correspond to our future needs.

    "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."
    /edit




    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

    I detest the very idea of banning books or movies or music or whatever medium. Just as much as I detest some of the ideas and images they represent. It is VERY important to remember these. You talk about Mark Twain? I'm assuming you are on about the slavery mentioned in the books. Never mind that he was an abolitionist. I remember reading Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer when I was young and loving them. Of course I knew about the term "n1gger" and, even at that age, knew how offensive it was but that this book was written when it was "acceptable". What I didn't know at that age was the derogatory use of the term "boy". When the series came out on TV in the early 80's I was surprised that Jim was a man. I thought they had made him older for some reason until my parents told me about the use of "boy". I found this just as shocking as the other terms. That they did not even consider him a man at all, let alone a human man.

    The point is that these writings and movies and music are a window into the thoughts of the past (and present)"Birth of a Nation", "Triumph of the Will" are abhorrent pictures but can be seen as a snapshot of what many people were thinking at the time.

    The Warner Bros cartoons of the 40's are incredibly racist. But they were designed from the very beginning to be so. They were created to bolster troop morale and to get people behind the war movement. These films cannot be taken out of context.

    Plus, when you start where do you finish? If banning was to occur then, in my opinion, the first things to go on the fire should be the bible and the koran and ANY religious text. But THAT'S JUST MY OWN OPINION. I'm sure many many people would object to that opinion but my opinion should be just as valid as theirs so what happens? Does a board decide? Should the criteria be based on religious beliefs or secular? Should EVERYONE get a vote to decide or just "an educated few"

    Banning is the height of arrogance. To assume that someone cannot read or watch or listen to something and understand/contemplate the messages behind them. And that these works should be removed lest it corrupt these pleb's tiny minds: "I can appreciate how bad these ideas are but they would see this and accept it, bless their cotton socks, the poor idiots"


  • #57
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-eYCoTJcw


  • #58
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTNopddkTsM


  • #59
    bluecode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭bluecode


    TheIrishGrover wrote: »
    edit: Just read your last post. Just realised :) (Yes, I'm an idiot) Nice troll. lol

    "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."
    /edit
    Not really a troll. You can see how superficially plausible it is. Attractive even. I don't think the OP is trolling either.

    It's all slippery slopes and road to hell etc. The exaggeration of it makes a point, makes you think.


  • #60
    Executive Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Executive Steve


    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the OP thinks that "political correctness has gone mad".


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  • #61
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Isn't this the background plot to Equilibrium?


  • #62
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Behold AH. Your definition of the PC brigade has finally arrived.


  • #63
    Grimebox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭Grimebox


    Somebody sat down and actually wrote all that


  • #64
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Yes, let's gather up everything made of paper, paperboard, celluloid, perhaps even parchment and papyrus that does not meet the standards of today's political correctness and burn them. :rolleyes:

    It should be great fun with all those bonfires. :D

    Is there perhaps also something that could be done about products that have changed their name? One, a sort of marshmallow sweet with a chocolate covering, is very popular in the Nordic countries. It used to be called Neekerinsuukko/Negerkyss (literally "Negro kiss"), as this picture shows:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_U1RwRroKUbI/SZJ5xcopz6I/AAAAAAAAAZQ/GN--ZsjL-dc/s400/mainos3a.jpg

    Now they have changed the name to only "Kiss", but with the same picture.

    Should we burn down factories like that, too, just in case they go back to their earlier bad habits?

    Or should we just chill out and look up the meaning of Zeitgeist?:):)


  • #65
    grizzly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭grizzly


    Are you now burning old films because you couldn't get a lady to watch them with you? :p;)
    Quirk_Douglas wrote: »
    Where can Quirk Douglas meet women in the Limerick area who are into the following;
    Preferably in the 18-25 age bracket;

    Silent movies (Lilian Gish, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, Greta Garbo, Rudolph Valentino, Laurel & Hardy, etc)
    Music of the 20's and 30's (Russ Columbo, Sophie Tucker, Al Bowlly, Rudy Vallee, Helen Forrest, Marion Harris, Annette Hanshaw, etc)
    Classic Literature (Scott, Poe, Shakespeare, Huxley, Mann, Dostoevsky, Beckett, etc)
    Film Noir (Kiss Me Deadly, Out of the Past, The Big Sleep, The Big Combo, D.O.A., etc)
    Rockabilly, Jazz Vocalists, Krautrock, British Invasion (Small Faces, Kinks, SANDIE SHAW, LULU, CILLA BLACK, etc)
    British New Wave cinema (Kitchen Sink Dramas)
    Science Fiction television shows early 50's - mid 60's (One Step Beyond, Science Fiction Theatre, Twilight Zone, etc)
    French writers (Sartre, Camus, Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Proust, etc)
    The Marx Brothers, W.C. Fields, Mae West, etc
    Playing an instrument, interest in art is optional.

    Seriously.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77547247


  • #66
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Fintan O' Toole


    We have now reached the point where every goon with a grievance, every bitter bigot, merely has to place the prefix, 'I know this is not politically correct, but...' in front of the usual string of insults in order to be not just safe from criticism, but actually a card, a lad, even a hero. Conversely, to talk about poverty and inequality, to draw attention to the reality that discrimination and injustice are still facts of life, is to commit the sin of political correctness. Anti-PC has become the latest cover for creeps. It is a godsend for every curmudgeon and crank, from fascists to the merely smug.



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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Why don't all the world leaders get together and apologise to everybody for everything that ever happened, past, present and future.

    I wonder what things are we doing today, perfectly innocently and acceptably, that somebody will feel it politically correct to have to apologise for in the future..? being politically correct maybe...


  • #68
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    op's legged it


  • #69
    R0ot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.


  • #70
    Funglegunk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Funglegunk


    What I want to know is, when are we going to war with Eastasia!?


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thinly veiled "I'm a retard" post.


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  • #72
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,630 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    R0ot wrote: »
    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

    Problem with that is that those who remember the past tend to go ahead and repeat it willingly.

    Anyway. Did the OP ever come back and answer any of the points made?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #73
    DB21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭DB21


    Just in case it hasn't been done yet, I'm Godwin-ing this thread. OP sounds like a Nazi.


  • #74
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Funglegunk wrote: »
    What I want to know is, when are we going to war with Eastasia!?
    We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.


  • #75
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The OP is obviously written sarcastically. There's no actual argument here.


  • #76
    BizzyC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    People nowadays should be more highly educated and capable of reviewing material from another era with a different perspective.

    Banning materials just because we find it offensive is ridiculous.
    Should we also allow the Germans to wipe all records of the holocaust clean, should Belgium be able to expunge their history in the Congo?

    We keep these records of mistakes around to remind us of where we were, so we can aspire to more.


  • #77
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Backdating political correctness to a time when it didnt exist is unnecessary.

    Cant we just put material from the past into its correct perspective and be adults about this rather than ban it for the sake of it.

    If we have learned anything it should be that banning material on the grounds of its potential to cause offence will simply perk peoples interest in it.


  • #78
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Coon chicken anyone?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_h4tgHbUho


    We should learn from past mistakes not hide them.


  • #79
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Can we at least agree on one thing, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull should be banned.

    I know its a lot more recent than what the OP proposes banning, but its just as valid.


  • #80
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,630 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    pickarooney wrote: »
    The OP is obviously written sarcastically. There's no actual argument here.

    So, having been repeatedly Godwinned, thread has also been Poed?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #81
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I hadn't heard that term before but if you take the bit about Mickey Rooney at face value I don't know what to say.


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  • #82
    R0ot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Problem with that is that those who remember the past tend to go ahead and repeat it willingly.

    Anyway. Did the OP ever come back and answer any of the points made?

    Examples?


  • #83
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,630 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    R0ot wrote: »
    Examples?

    Well, just about every war in history. WW1 and WW2 for a start. Not to mention the treaties that ended them.

    Wars are usualy started by people who know how to twist history to suit their means.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #84
    nlgbbbblth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    bluecode wrote: »
    Yes I completely agree, best idea of I've read in ages. We are haunted by the past. It's needs to be re-written to correspond to our future needs.

    All media that does not fit in with our future needs is longer required. But the difficulty will be implementing it.

    I suggest setting up an organisation and a popular movement. All media will be reviewed and a decision made as to whether they be banned or not. Some may only need to be censored. So new editions will need to be printed. We have a long and honourable tradition of censorship in this country. For many years we kept out all sorts of seditious and offensive material. But with that gone the floodgates have been open. No wonder the country is in trouble.

    But how do we get rid of all the subversive material? Simply we can organise recycling days. Book burning has a certain negative connotation. Everybody will be required to register their books and videos and a recycling day will be organised in each community. Everybody will have to bring their banned material for recycling on a particular day. It will be a great day out but it can't be voluntary. So Special Supporters will be needed to organise folk. Each one will be provided with a distincive uniform to reassure folk that they are official Special Supporters. I suggest a khaki uniform with green armbands carrying a white circle with the recycle symbol in the middle. They will be authorised to inspect folk's houses to ensure no banned books remain by accident or oversight.

    Now of course there will be troublemakers and hold outs. We need to deal with them. Unfortunately harsh measures might be needed. But through strength we may reach joy! I think prison is too wasteful of resources and the legal system too complicated so we should set up special work camps where folk can be re-educated. These can be set up in isolated country areas far away from cities.

    Soon folk will see the error of their ways and maybe they can be returned to society.

    I really don't see a downside to all this. I mean what can go wrong?

    Thank f*ck your account is closed.


  • #85
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    Thank f*ck your account is closed.
    Over 4000 posts, a member from 2003 and you thought it was worth reviving the thread to say that??


  • #86
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Are people honestly taking the OP seriously? It seems to be a reference to banning programmes featuring Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter etc. because of what's come to light in recent years.


  • #87
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Here's the solution. Republish all the offensive stuff in Latin. Then the priests can interpret it to us, leaving out the really bad bits. If all the priests have forgotten Latin, then do it in Esperanto or Klingon or something. No! How about Irish? With interpretation by the PC police? What's Klingon for making the ticky?


  • #88
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Will we be removing this thread?


  • #89
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Quirk_Douglas wrote: »
    The only way we can progress as a people is to remove any and all threats from the past.

    So, who's with me? Once we remove the threats as outlined above, we can begin sorting out our History books. People inhabitating the Earth half a century from now will have no idea that racial division ever existed.

    Yes, let's whitewash our past so we white people historically don't look so bad. Let's remove any reference to colonisation, slavery, apartheid or genocide from our past so people will never know such discrimination ever existed.:rolleyes:

    In half a century from now when people talk about 'racism' in the 18th century, most people will be all like "proof or it didn't happen." They'll say things like "I read Huckleberry Finn and the Nword didn't appear once."

    We should never forget what happened in the past and these movies, books and songs are remnants of that.


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