Is there any main brand of car you simply won't buy?

NIMAN · 16-08-2014 8:26pm #1

I'm talking main brands here.

I have always had an anti-French thing. Never owned one myself, but some siblings and friends have and seen too many issues, some of them fairly major, to put me of buying one. Renault usually the main culprit.

Another would be Vauxhall or Opel. Again know a few people who are always bitching about problems with theirs. Zafiras and Astra's main offenders.

OK so you're only talking a handful of cases, but these can sometimes make your mind up on an entire brand.

Is there any brand you wouldn't dare touch with your own money?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-08-2014 8:47pm

Kia
Jeep
Fiat
Alfa
Toyota
Bmw
Lexus
Daihatsu
Daewoo
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Renault
Dacia
Peugeot
Citreon
Seat
Chrysler
opel/vauxhall

But that's just me... dont like the above because it either has no real style or have shoite build quality.

PLL · 16-08-2014 8:51pm

I hate Peugeot's with a passion. There are other car makes I dislike, but couldn't say I would never not buy a car made by that brand. However, I know for sure I would never buy a Peugeot.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-08-2014 8:51pm

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Toyotafanboi · 16-08-2014 8:58pm

i'd drive anything once it ticks the right boxes. it would be pretty narrow minded to exclude a whole brand of car on what is most likely hearsay.

NIMAN · 16-08-2014 8:58pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Kia
Jeep
Fiat
Alfa
Toyota
Bmw
Lexus
Daihatsu
Daewoo
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Renault
Dacia
Peugeot
Citreon
Seat
Chrysler
opel/vauxhall

But that's just me... dont like the above because it either has no real style or have shoite build quality.

Thats some list. What do you actually drive?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-08-2014 9:00pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Thats some list. What do you actually drive?

a focus diesel......

not saying its a good car but just the newer fords im starting to like... as with mustang etc.

ZeroThreat · 16-08-2014 9:01pm

PLL wrote: »

I hate Peugeot's with a passion. There are other car makes I dislike, but couldn't say I would never not buy a car made by that brand. However, I know for sure I would never buy a Peugeot.

Seems to be an unusually high number of 'aul wans' driving these for some reason.

ZeroThreat · 16-08-2014 9:01pm

PLL wrote: »

I hate Peugeot's with a passion. There are other car makes I dislike, but couldn't say I would never not buy a car made by that brand. However, I know for sure I would never buy a Peugeot.

Seems to be an unusually high number of 'aul wans' driving these for some reason.

Personally, I'd never drive a Pontiac Aztek, not that you see many Pontiacs in Ireland.

NIMAN · 16-08-2014 9:02pm

Drive one myself. Find it a nice car and would put me in the mood for another Ford if I'm honest.

5uspect · 16-08-2014 9:04pm

French cars mostly.
More irrationally, and I don't think they're bad cars, I just don't like fords.

stimpson · 16-08-2014 9:08pm

Peugeot.

The wife had a new 206 when I met her. Used to drink oil, went through multiple belts, sh1te electrics and sometimes the boot declined to open. Uncomfortable driving position, bouncy suspension, awful handling, lack of power, thirsty.

amandaf675 · 16-08-2014 9:10pm

Anything thats not Japanese

phelixoflaherty · 16-08-2014 9:14pm

BMW. Loathsome cars.

Tails142 · 16-08-2014 9:21pm

French cars in my mind have poor reliability, but having said that there are a few Peugeots in the family and they are grand enough cars except for the handling and clutch feel. Like everything the interior is only as good as the original spec of the car.

Dislike Renaults though and if you look at the depreciation on them it is madness. I always note that when I see a car with electric problems, like indicator causing brake light to dim etc it is generally a Renault.

I would also never buy a Skoda just because I still consider them to be an economy brand like Lada even though they are good enough cars nowadays. The interiors in any of the octavias I've been in have been poor though.

I also really dislike SEATs, girlfriend had a Leon and it gave no end of trouble.

John_Rambo · 16-08-2014 9:25pm

Audi.

Unless it was from the eighties when they were cool, hadn't tractor engines and weren't an overpriced status symbol for sheep!

:-)

veetwin · 16-08-2014 9:25pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Kia
Jeep
Fiat
Alfa
Toyota
Bmw
Lexus
Daihatsu
Daewoo
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Renault
Dacia
Peugeot
Citreon
Seat
Chrysler
opel/vauxhall

But that's just me... dont like the above because it either has no real style or have shoite build quality.

Have to say I find it very odd to exclude all these marques given that they have made some very fine cars

I'm thinking Fiat Coupe, loads of Alfas but especially the 159 which IMHO is the prettiest saloon of recent times, the iconic Toyota Landcruiser, any amount of BMWs but especially the e39, Nissan's Pathfinder or Patrol, Mitsubishi's Pajero or Evo, the sublime Peugeot 205 GTI or even the Citreon XM.

Quazzie · 16-08-2014 9:32pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Kia
Jeep
Fiat
Alfa
Toyota
Bmw
Lexus
Daihatsu
Daewoo
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Renault
Dacia
Peugeot
Citreon
Seat
Chrysler
opel/vauxhall

But that's just me... dont like the above because it either has no real style or have shoite build quality.

So you'd drive a Ford Focus but wouldn't drive a Lexus is250 because a Focus has either style or build quality or style but the Lexus is250 has neither.

No offence mate, but you're talking through your hole.

My own list would be:
Renault
Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Rover

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-08-2014 9:35pm

veetwin wrote: »

Have to say I find it very odd to exclude all these marques given that they have made some very fine cars

I'm thinking Fiat Coupe, loads of Alfas but especially the 159 which IMHO is the prettiest saloon of recent times, the iconic Toyota Landcruiser, any amount of BMWs but especially the e39, Nissan's Pathfinder or Patrol, Mitsubishi's Pajero or Evo, the sublime Peugeot 205 GTI or even the Citreon XM.

fiat and alfa for the build quality but i do like the alfa looks, no problem with that.

landcruiser, good oul reliable jeep, just not much to look at i think even on the inside.

bmw, build quality, dont mind the looks, except when people badly modify them.

nissan pathfinder good looks on the outside only, but handles and rolls worse than a boat, patrol is not much to look at.

mitz pajero and evo, good to look at from outside and reliable but i dont like their interiors,

peugeot and citreon not a hope

impr0v · 16-08-2014 9:36pm

Ssangyong. Last time I had to get a taxi that was a Ssangyong I got into a heated argument with the driver about how his car was the worst-looking car on the roads.

FaganJr · 16-08-2014 9:39pm

Renault, Peugeot, dacia, fiat, anything British, anything American except telsa, Mitsubishi, Ford and lada. all muck

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-08-2014 9:39pm

Quazzie wrote: »

So you'd drive a Ford Focus but wouldn't drive a Lexus is250 because a Focus has either style or build quality or style but the Lexus is250 has neither.

No offence mate, but you're talking through your hole.

My own list would be:
Renault
Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Rover

i forgot about rover and ssanyoung !

and lexus and made well , and nice to look at from the outside (the new ones are anyway) but i drove a few and i just dont like their interior, they all remind me of old toyotas.

what happened to having an opinion without it being shot down ?

Toyotafanboi · 16-08-2014 9:44pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

fiat and alfa for the build quality but i do like the alfa looks, no problem with that.

landcruiser, good oul reliable jeep, just not much to look at i think even on the inside.

bmw, build quality, dont mind the looks, except when people badly modify them.

nissan pathfinder good looks on the outside only, but handles and rolls worse than a boat, patrol is not much to look at.

mitz pajero and evo, good to look at from outside and reliable but i dont like their interiors,

peugeot and citreon not a hope

tl;dr

don't like the japs because they are ugly, don't like the europeans because they are unreliable.

Quazzie · 16-08-2014 9:45pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

what happened to having an opinion without it being shot down ?

Apologies, I probably came across a bit abrupt, it was not my intention.

I do think though you need to sit inside a Lexus again though. It's a nice play to be.

paddylonglegs · 16-08-2014 9:51pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

what happened to having an opinion without it being shot down ?

What happened? You posted on boards!

chicorytip · 16-08-2014 10:11pm

Volkswagen - the marque established by
Adolf Hitler.

BMJD · 16-08-2014 10:18pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

mitz pajero and evo, good to look at from outside and reliable but i dont like their interiors,

whatever about the Pajero, I don't think the interior of an Evo is the important bit in any way

Bpmull · 16-08-2014 10:24pm

Dacia
Hyundai
Kia
Ford

Cienciano · 16-08-2014 10:30pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Kia
Jeep
Fiat
Alfa
Toyota
Bmw
Lexus
Daihatsu
Daewoo
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Renault
Dacia
Peugeot
Citreon
Seat
Chrysler
opel/vauxhall

But that's just me... dont like the above because it either has no real style or have shoite build quality.

NIMAN wrote: »

Thats some list. What do you actually drive?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

a focus diesel......

Had to laugh at that!

I wouldn't be a fan of french cars, but I'd never write anything off, depends on what came up for the right money when I'm looking for something

Into The Blue · 16-08-2014 10:38pm

After owning a focus diesel from new (19 long, long months now), I'll be staying clear of Ford for the next one..

Driving by any bmw, always think to myself how much I hate the look of any of them.

Same goes for mercs.

Also, hate the way French cars handled years ago, so that has stuck with me.

Gavman84 · 16-08-2014 10:44pm

Toyota find them dull cars just never liked them. French cars I guess too and Dacia or ssanyoung.

johndaman66 · 16-08-2014 11:03pm

Tails142 wrote: »

there are a few Peugeots in the family and they are grand enough cars except for the handling and clutch feel.

Oddly I would have thought that Peugeots were often noted for being good handling cars traditionally anyways as per any motoring mag I would have read, they always would have got the top marks for handling in their class.

Odd that a few people specifically mention Peugeot though as there are some decent Pugs out there. From the past we have the legendary 205 gti. Many would agree that the 406 hdi was a very good car ad well capable of racking up high mileage. I always thought that the sportier 306's were fantastic looking cars. The Peugeot XUD diesel engines are often recognised as great engines for their day too.

I myself wouldn't hold allegiance to any particular brands or there wouldn't be brands I'd avoid. Would moreso avoid certain models.

I notice some people seem to be particularly loyal to certain brands. Ford and VW are two that stand out. Irrespective of getting grief from one of them they would still seem to go back to them. More would seem very loyal to Japanese or Korean cars

Bigus · 16-08-2014 11:03pm

Some cool cars your excluding with a blanket ban like that kopper

Kia
Jeep- original Cherokee
Fiat- Dino-20v coupe-130coupe-Barchetta -128 3P
Alfa-original spider-alfa4C-75V6 3.0- original Gtv-
Toyota-gt86 1+2,-supra-MR2-GT4
Bmw-M1-M3-M-5,2002tii
Lexus LS430
Daihatsu-charade gtti
Daewoo
Nissan-350z-240z-GTR
Mitsubishi-evo
Renault-clio 172-182-197-megane225
Dacia
Peugeot 205gti
Citreon- C6-original DS
Seat-cupra
Chrysler- Prowler
opel/vauxhall montaro- opc Opels manta 400

To name just a small few iconic cars by those manufacturers.
But that's just me...

mickdw · 16-08-2014 11:21pm

Quazzie wrote: »

I do think though you need to sit inside a Lexus again though. It's a nice play to be.

Current model IS is good but the last model really was not a nice place to be.
Far far too much avensis feel to it and that is not a good thing.

johndaman66 · 16-08-2014 11:22pm

Haha bigus you leave Daewoo and Dacia in there. Presumably by that you are implying that you think all Daewoo and Dacia models are cool:D

Littlehorny · 16-08-2014 11:31pm

Brother in law worked in a renault garage for a few years and as he always used to say not one of the mechanics drove a renault, that says it all really

Chris_Heilong · 16-08-2014 11:35pm

I would drive most cars but would never own;
citroen
vauxhall
peugeot
Opel
Seat
VW
I would have said Ford but they have the ST and the Mustang
Kia
Hyundai
Dawoo
Daihatsu
Chevrolet
Fiat

Stheno · 16-08-2014 11:35pm

Into The Blue wrote: »

Same goes for mercs.

.

I used hate mercs, then the OH got an older E class last year.

My god, the comfort, the sheer sense of being in a big solid car is lovely.

I drive an alfa gtv, so it's a bit of a difference. If I've to drive a long distance now I'd choose the merc anyday.

For me it would be hyundai, I remember them from the early 2000s and always thought of them as badly built, despite knowing people who love them now.

I've also had VWs, Fiats, a Daewoo, Citroen, and Renault.

Outside of Hyundai, no real hates, though I drove a five series recently and hated it.

ZeroThreat · 16-08-2014 11:36pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Brother in law worked in a renault garage for a few years and as he always used to say not one of the mechanics drove a renault, that says it all really

anything French or Italian is generally a big no-no.

16-08-2014 11:37pm

Will not buy FIATS. My father and uncle let out ? from their jobs in that company. Not buying BMW, false prestige cars - furs coat and no pants

PLL · 16-08-2014 11:40pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Brother in law worked in a renault garage for a few years and as he always used to say not one of the mechanics drove a renault, that says it all really

Haha, my cousin works in an Audi garage and none of the mechanics drive Audis.

ZeroThreat · 16-08-2014 11:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Will not buy FIATS. My father and uncle let out ? from their jobs in that company. Not buying BMW, false prestige cars - furs coat and no pants

BMWs are too common these days to be considered a prestige badge, at least in this country.

While FIAT = FixItAgainTony

Rob Thomas · 16-08-2014 11:41pm

I don't think there is any Fiat I could imagine owning and I wouldn't be a big fan of Nissan either, certainly the cars anyway. Patrol and Pathfinder would be a different story.

One thing I never liked is the inside of Opels...the big flat plastic dashboards, they all seemed to be the same.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-08-2014 11:42pm

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porsche959 · 16-08-2014 11:43pm

phelixoflaherty wrote: »

BMW. Loathsome owners.

Corrected that for you.

16-08-2014 11:45pm

I've owned a Ford (2000 Focus), Toyota (2004 Rav4) and now own a Peugeot (2006 407). All have been much the same to me. I've driven a rake of other cars here and there too (Passat, A4, Megane, 206, etc) and a few vans.

I find the Peugeot to be the smoothest ride of all the cars/vans I've been in. Seems to glide over poor road surfaces, pot holes, etc. Not sure how it's built any differently to any other cars, but most of my passengers have remarked on it, also. It's very good.

Out from that they've all been much the same, really. Each car I get into goes both forward and back when I want it to.

The Peugeot 407 has only been mine about 2 months, though, so it's entirely possible I've a money pit ahead of me, but so far, so good, really..

Stheno · 16-08-2014 11:45pm

johndaman66 wrote: »

Odd that a few people specifically mention Peugeot though as there are some decent Pugs out there.

Wasn't the older 406 coupe designed by Pininfarina?

Zcott · 16-08-2014 11:50pm

Ssangyong - awful named awful looking cars
Rover - grandad cars
Vauxhall - repmobiles or people carriers

Not sure why there's so much anti-pug sentiment here. My 307 was a grand car until it died around 150k, and the wife has a 407 estate. Both nice cars to look at and not had to drive.

quadrifoglio verde · 17-08-2014 12:11am

The only car I'd probably not buy is a Dacia and maybe some of the stuff that came out of the eastern block.
Nothing interesting that I can think of or that I'd want from the Koreans either.

However the rest of the main manufacturers have produced cars that I'd have an interest in buying.
To write off the French means that you'd write off the likes of the 205 gti.
To write off fiat, means that you write off the likes of the 131 abarth or the coupe 20vt
To write off Alfa means writing off the spider, the sud and what many recognise as the greatest six cylinder engine
To write off Renault means no Clio Williams.
I think everyone can see where this is going.

Thinker40 · 17-08-2014 12:13am

Renault are the only blanket ban I'd have.

Just about every other brand have good and bad so it would be down to individual models.

ie 1.9 Golf - fine, 2.0 A4 not a chance etc.

Cienciano · 17-08-2014 12:19am

Zcott wrote: »

Ssangyong - awful named awful looking cars
Rover - grandad cars
Vauxhall - repmobiles or people carriers

I drive a rover and I'm not a grandad. But I do like driving it with string back driving gloves and it picks up radio norwich perfectly

Is there any main brand of car you simply won't buy?

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