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Homeless animals in Galway

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  • #102
    Das Kitty
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    inisboffin wrote: »
    Do you know if any were re-homed? I know someone had offered to take in two of the mares but didn't hear any more.

    That's the extent of my knowledge. They deserve a second chance the poor yokes have been neglected there for a lot longer than 2 weeks.


  • #103
    NatalieA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭NatalieA


    EGAR wrote: »
    Natalie, Ireland is RIPE will feral cat colonies which alot of rescues like myself try to reduce by trapping, neuter and release (TNR) and WHY on earth should cats be sold in petshops? Give me strength...

    Do you have any idea how many adult dogs and pups end up in pounds every year? Obviously not, as per capita Ireland has a HUGE stray problem.

    And it is yet again obvious that education is sadly lacking in those areas..

    Sadly, no. Only people working in shelters or otherwise involved know about things like that. I am trying to do what I can, I live food where I know one of the cats comes. Only it always runs away if sees me. Me and kids feed birds, and not only ducks, but also wild ones near the river. Met a dog in the park, took picture, not shure if has owner. Has a collar but was afraid to look, wery good friendly dog, was playing with us, bringing sticks and stones for us. :) Then ran away, so maybe just was let out?
    Once found a cat near Dunnes, little fimale, was so hungry was trying to eate a nut shell! And nobody stopped. Me and my daughter got some food from the shop, some cat food too, she was still there. We gave her food and felt so sorry for her, was so small like a kitten, really, took her home. People, probably thought I was mad, with buggy and a baby picking up some cat, putting it under my coat. Don't know how was able to walk home, holding cat and pushing buggy. Funny thing. Cat was not a kitten, but pregnant mum! in no time I had 6 cats at home. ( already had one, plus mum +4 kittens). Was hard to find homes for them. All my friends sought I was mad! 2 short of a cat lady !trying calculate how many cats I will have in a year or too. :)
    I like dogs too, but wouldn't know what to do with one, how to train ut.c. But cats are my weakness, always been. My kitty, the first one, from pet farm, like another child. She's my little girl. We understand each other wery well. Can't understand people who will harm a dog, or a cat. They are our companions.


  • #104
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    inisboffin wrote: »
    Are you really asking this question? Are we ok with anecdotal evidence now, in which case my experience is very different to yours. To answer your question I have one family member and one friend who are sheep farmers, one in Galway one in NW, and they DO get calls about injured sheep.

    Please can you stop talking about the 'majority' of Irish people not caring about animals. It is a sweeping statement, and 'caring' is obviously a word we use very differently.

    There were sheep near me that had their legs tied every year - to stop them jumping over walls. The blue plastic rope cut into their legs. No one complained even though loads of people walked past every day.

    Talking about the majority is not a sweeping statement. If the majority cared then the majority would of demanded action & better welfare laws. If the cat in wheelie bin lady incident had happened here it might of just made the news. In the UK she lost her job, & had to go into hiding with Police protection.

    I wonder if people are more offended at our precious nationality being criticised than they are about the welfare of animals. Of course some people care but the majority do not & I will keep saying that until there is proper evidence to show otherwise which will not be any time soon. At the moment there is damming evidence to show that the majority give animal welfare a far lower priority than in many other countries.

    Pro rata we give loads of money to charity. For example, as a country, we gave generously to the Haiti appeal. But for some reason we do not give in the same way to animal welfare as other countries do.


  • #105
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    Discodog wrote: »
    There were sheep near me that had their legs tied every year - to stop them jumping over walls. The blue plastic rope cut into their legs. No one complained even though loads of people walked past every day.

    Talking about the majority is not a sweeping statement. If the majority cared then the majority would of demanded action & better welfare laws. If the cat in wheelie bin lady incident had happened here it might of just made the news. In the UK she lost her job, & had to go into hiding with Police protection.

    I wonder if people are more offended at our precious nationality being criticised than they are about the welfare of animals. Of course some people care but the majority do not & I will keep saying that until there is proper evidence to show otherwise which will not be any time soon. At the moment there is damming evidence to show that the majority give animal welfare a far lower priority than in many other countries.

    Pro rata we give loads of money to charity. For example, as a country, we gave generously to the Haiti appeal. But for some reason we do not give in the same way to animal welfare as other countries do.

    Yes. You said it. We as a nation may have different priorities in terms of charity it seems. We often are one of the highest globally in terms of donation to disaster relief. Maybe as a nation we would prefer to give to human charities than animal charities. Maybe other countries give that money to animal welfare, maybe they spend it on bling, I don't know the answer to that, but I will leave it that I just disagree with you about about how the majority feel here in regard to cruelty.

    We have very different anecdotal evidence it seems, and also very different opinions even on hierarchy and compassion in the animal kingdom. I offered to chat via pm so as not take this off the topic of homeless animals, but you didn't respond. If this thread is about doing something then let it be that, rather than a back and forth of shame and sarcasm which doesn't do much. If you have legislative petitions, fb pages, info etc about how to do this Discodog, then by all means post them and I will share them.

    Like you said, you can't 'make' people care, you can just share the positive steps that people are taking.


  • #106
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Tranceypoo wrote: »
    Well, you must live in a happy sunny place where everyone treats their dogs really well
    No, I live in Ireland. I'm starting to suspect that yourself and posters like "Discodog" live in some sort of alternate dimension however, with horrors lurking behind every garden gate. I live in what could be loosely termed a lower middle class estate, not a poodle in sight...
    Discodog wrote: »
    If the presentation of fact is insulting then feel insulted.
    35% of people own dogs? Rubbish. There's a name for people presenting anecdotes as fact in order to justify some sort of thinly veiled attack on an entire nation.
    Discodog wrote: »
    200,000 dog licenses were issued in 2009 - even that is hardly 10% & most people don't get a license.
    What? How on earth would you know that most people don't get licences? Your little postmistress and her dusty shoebox anecdote? Come off it.
    Discodog wrote: »
    I am not going to move off topic with child abuse but yes I believe that elected politicians knew & so did a lot of the population.
    Ah, so not only do you think that Irish people approve dog abuse, they also approve child abuse in your world, which is obviously related to the Hollyoaks and Eastenders perception of "furriners".
    Discodog wrote: »
    Of course people would not vote for animal abuse but neither are they clamouring for a poll to vote against it or even offering any support to those that are.
    Protip, stop calling them thick child abusing puppy eaters and you might get somewhere there.
    Discodog wrote: »
    Great way to run a political party. I have heard that it's true so it must be !.
    Anecdotes versus anecdotes, I'd have thought the point was clear.
    Discodog wrote: »
    By killing many times more unwanted animals than they do.
    I see, well if you want to take that route, heres something to consider: how many people have you turned off being actively involved in animal rescue with your aggressive, prejuidiced and insulting demeanour, and therefore how many puppies are you responsible for abusing?

    I mean you are aware that you're needlessly insulting people, you've admitted as much, so you must be aware that these people are less likely to help you and are thus prolonging the problem. At a minimum this must be causing at least as much trouble as any amount of oblivious people sailing through their lives, probably a great deal more.

    Why do you hate puppies, discodog?


  • #107
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    I'm even from Galway but I just had a couple of things that I would like to say.

    For those of you who think that homechecks are OTT and invasive I understand where you are coming from but since the GSPCA and the like are voluntary organisations I think they have a right to be picky about the homes that the animals they look after go to. The time, effort and hard work that goes into these places is unbelievable. Also with regards to GSPCA refusing to rehome without an enclosed garden and to homes with children under 7, this may be to do with the insurance policy that the rescue has. Not saying it is just saying it might be as I know from working at a local animal shelter that policies can have some very strict and sometimes strange rules.

    Also for anyone who is disillusioned by animal cruelty in Ireland I suggest you go and visit one the animal rescues in your area. I'm sure they would be grateful for the help and you could get yourself an education on the appalling things that are happening every day in this country and going without punishment.


  • #108
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    softmee wrote: »
    Anyway this thread probably will be moved to animal issues, so to avoid this i would suggest keeping it open for some reason. We could use it to share news about homeless/mistreated animals .
    It should be easier to react and help if there is need for this. I know now i wont get help from officials and rescues are not always able to help, so this might be the other way of helping.

    Thanks everyone for a huge response to this idea


  • #109
    dapto1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭dapto1


    Seeing as some people are having trouble understanding Amhran Rua for some reason, here's the wiki entry on anecdotal evidence:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence


  • #110
    dapto1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭dapto1


    EGAR wrote: »
    Ireland is RIPE will feral cat colonies

    This made me giggle like a schoolgirl.

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  • #111
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    dapto1 wrote: »
    Seeing as some people are having trouble understanding Amhran Rua for some reason, here's the wiki entry on anecdotal evidence:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

    I havent opened this thread for your games, argueing and funny pictures.


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  • #112
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    I just looked at done deal website and first what i saw:

    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/1759783

    -why this is even legal?

    " deerhound greyhound bitch fast bitch hare dog good for breeding lurchers "

    Those people they trade dogs like they are just items ,i have no words.

    :mad:

    -or this:

    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/1728231

    "He has procuced many large litters"

    This is just awful!


  • #113
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    Most of the adds there are saying : " IKC registered" ,what is IKC?
    How those dogs can be registered anywhere?

    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/1756735

    Mother can be seen? They are kept in a horror conditions, not socialised, not house trained.
    This should be illegal.

    This is all the source of the problem really. If they wont stop those people, there will be always lots suffering neclected dogs out there


  • #114
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    The Irish Kennel Club. I am jst wondering if all those people lie or IKC standards are so low and they dont care. :confused:


  • #115
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    inisboffin wrote: »
    Yes. You said it. We as a nation may have different priorities in terms of charity it seems. We often are one of the highest globally in terms of donation to disaster relief. Maybe as a nation we would prefer to give to human charities than animal charities.

    Maybe. But you/we still have:
    • No out-of-hours social work service for half the children in the state
    • Psychiatric hospitals that were deemed not fit for human habitation years ago, but are still in use
    • Asylum-seekers, including young children, living in hostel-style accommodation for years on end.
    And it's only this year that you've admitted just how unacceptable your institutional childcare was right up until very recently (the last Magdalene laundry didn't close until 1996).

    Somehow I think that in this country the attitudes towards animals are linked to the attitudes to vulnerable, and unpopular, human beings.

    I'm a cat person. Was a serious cat lady in my last house (not in Ireland) ... only one cat, but very dotted up. Won't have a cat here 'cos it couldn't have access to the outdoors where I'm living now.

    But even so, I'm more concerned about the way human beings are treated here than animals.


  • #116
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    JustMary wrote: »
    Maybe. But you/we still have:
    • No out-of-hours social work service for half the children in the state
    • Psychiatric hospitals that were deemed not fit for human habitation years ago, but are still in use
    • Asylum-seekers, including young children, living in hostel-style accommodation for years on end.
    And it's only this year that you've admitted just how unacceptable your institutional childcare was right up until very recently (the last Magdalene laundry didn't close until 1996).

    Somehow I think that in this country the attitudes towards animals are linked to the attitudes to vulnerable, and unpopular, human beings.

    I'm a cat person. Was a serious cat lady in my last house (not in Ireland) ... only one cat, but very dotted up. Won't have a cat here 'cos it couldn't have access to the outdoors where I'm living now.

    But even so, I'm more concerned about the way human beings are treated here than animals.

    You're absolutely right about all those inadequacies Just Mary, but when we make these statements and comparisons with other nations we HAVE to look at the bigger picture. Absolutely it could be linked that a repressed nation where institutional abuse existed to people, that there is also institutional abuse for animals.
    But, there is a big difference between institutional abuse (and faulty systems) and individually the majority of people in this country being guilty of animal cruelty and abuse.

    Conquering nations and new nations have very different social history to say colonised nations. It is a fact that per capita (I am low on batt so not going to google for stats, but feel free), Irish have one of the highest records for giving to aid programmes, on the flipside, yes we have the laundries, the clerical abuse, the banks. People need to become empowered to help. Education about this stuff is key, that's my point.
    Shouting at the child that lived 5 doors down from 'the maggies' and blaming her for doing nothing (as she didn't know what was going on) is not as productive as educating people on *how* to help. We have enough guilt and shame behind us without (mostly unfairly) saying that 'the majority' of Irish are cruel/neglectful of animals.

    Perhaps I am surrounded by saints :D but all my neighbours are wonderful animal owners. I currently don't keep any animals as I travel a bit, but am 'sitter' for gorgeous cats and dogs of my friends when I can. They are very well treated and very loved by their owners. I can only go on my own experience when (as someone pointed out in a wikilink) we are comparing anecdote to anecdote.

    The 'hierarchy' of worthy animals is B*ll**** too. Don't tell me if someone set up a humanely killed, hand reared, satin sheeted kennel dog butchery here too, there wouldn't be uproar. Someone asked about horse meat in a thread a while back and the uproar was huge. Most of the people 'uproaring' were happy enough to eat other animals, and I guarantee you that not every person on this thread vets the farming practices connected to their kebab meat at 3 am. THIS worries me. A freezing horse gets photographed and there is huge press. A freezing calf is ignored.
    THIS way of thinking is absolutely reflected in how we treat asylum seekers, 'non-nationals' and other groups too. Two sets of rules.

    I guess I am lucky, I assume compassion, that's what I see around me, so I get it in my life, and hopefully pass it on.


  • #117
    dapto1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭dapto1


    Inisboffin, that's a good point about the hierarchy of an animals. Completely agree.
    softmee wrote: »
    I havent opened this thread for your games, argueing and funny pictures.
    You're new to this whole internet thing, aren't you?

    Anyway, I was trying to help the discussion by providing a link to an explanation of anecdotal evidence, as there seemed to be some confusion about its meaning.

    In conclusion: Get over yourself.


  • #118
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    35% of people own dogs? Rubbish. There's a name for people presenting anecdotes as fact in order to justify some sort of thinly veiled attack on an entire nation.

    Researchers have revealed new figures on the ownership of cats and dogs in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

    The results show that Ireland is principally a dog-owning population, with more than three times as many households (35.6%) having one or more pet dogs compared to just 10.4% having one or more pet cats.

    The figures differ to those from the UK, as a 2007 PFMA survey showed that 22% of UK households have dogs, while 18% have cats.

    Lead author Dr Martin Downes, of the Centre for Veterinary Epidemiology and Risk Analysis at University College Dublin, said: “The differences between UK and Ireland are particularly interesting, given the close geographical, historical and cultural linkages between these two countries. In the UK dogs are less popular than in Ireland, whereas cats are more popular.

    http://www.petproductmarketing.co.uk/content.php?sid=69
    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Protip,

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    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    I mean you are aware that you're needlessly insulting people,

    I am not insulting anyone but I could make an exception in your case.


  • #119
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    JustMary wrote: »
    But even so, I'm more concerned about the way human beings are treated here than animals.

    Why does it have to be a matter of priorities ?. The Greens were rounded on for introducing a Dog Breeding Bill when there were more important priorities.

    There will always be something that is more important that could take precedence but many countries decide that there are basic, instinctive rights that are an intrinsic part of society.

    An Animal Welfare Bill will not cost anything. It can be drafted quickly & easily by copying those of other countries. The enforcement of legislation can be self financing.

    Are we really saying that when every other problem is sorted that we will think about animal cruelty ?.

    It is interesting that the RSPCA & Dogs Trust cite N.Ireland as the worst part of the UK for cruelty & neglect. So maybe it runs deeper than just a case of insufficient legislation.

    From The Rough Guide to Ireland: "Finally one problem you may encounter, particularly in the West - is that of Farmer's dogs chasing & snarling at your wheels".


  • #120
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    Discodog wrote: »

    Lead author Dr Martin Downes, of the Centre for Veterinary Epidemiology and Risk Analysis at University College Dublin, said: “The differences between UK and Ireland are particularly interesting, given the close geographical, historical and cultural linkages between these two countries. In the UK dogs are less popular than in Ireland, whereas cats are more popular.

    Revenge of the Cat People! ;)



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  • #121
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    What? How on earth would you know that most people don't get licences? Your little postmistress and her dusty shoebox anecdote? Come off it.
    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Protip,
    A free "protip" for you. Before you run the Country learn to use a calculator. I will make this as simple as I can.

    Last Census shows 1.4 million households.

    Dr Martin Downes, of the Centre for Veterinary Epidemiology and Risk Analysis at University College Dublin - who I would believe a lot more than you says that 35.6% of household have at least one dog. So that makes a minimum of 490,000 dogs & only 213,000 licenses were issued.

    So even if we allow for just one dog per household. More people don't bother getting a license that those who do.

    Simples ;)


  • #122
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    dapto1 wrote: »
    You're new to this whole internet thing, aren't you?

    No -i am not, but i am not a child anymore to play childish games online.

    CAN WE PLEASE USE THIS THREAD TO SHARE INFORMATIONS ABOUT HOMELESS/LOST/FOUND OR MISTREATED ANIMALS IN GALWAY??????


  • #123
    dapto1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭dapto1


    softmee wrote: »
    No -i am not, but i am not a child anymore to play childish games online.

    CAN WE PLEASE USE THIS THREAD TO SHARE INFORMATIONS ABOUT HOMELESS/LOST/FOUND OR MISTREATED ANIMALS IN GALWAY??????

    Stand back lads, she's going to explode!

    Like a homeless terrier that's eaten a firecracker. In Galway. /OT


  • #124
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    dapto1 wrote: »

    Like a homeless terrier that's eaten a firecracker. In Galway. /OT

    See- you do think this is funny.


  • #125
    Suza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Suza


    We have a friendly white cat with a blue collar sitting at our door since yesterday. He tries to get in everytime you open the door so I presume he is a house cat. Doesn't look like he is going anywhere soon the poor wee thing. We have fed him and given him a box for shelter but if anyone knows of someone missing him please let me know. He was up rubbing around our baby so it seems he is used to children. We live near Briar Hill Dunnes.


  • #126
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    dapto1, do not post in this thread any more.

    Just a FYI, I'll give this thread until NY then it'll be closed.
    There's a whole forum for Animals welfare issues.


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  • #127
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    biko wrote: »
    dapto1, do not post in this thread any more.

    Just a FYI, I'll give this thread until NY then it'll be closed.
    There's a whole forum for Animals welfare issues.

    Is there a whole forum for Homeless animals in Galway? Does it really bother you so much?
    There is a place on Galway forum for things of less importance and people open threads about animal issues here anyway from time to time.
    Think again if there is no place for it here, because i think there should be.


  • #128
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    As you can see animals threads attracts two types, people obsessed with animal welfare and people less obsessed with animal welfare.
    These two types clash easily and this whole issue can easily be avoided by keeping animal issues in Animals forum.
    Most every thread starts well and ends up the same, posts starts getting reported and the thread gets locked.
    I'm not banning you from starting animals threads here but don't expect thread to pan out how you think it will.

    As an experiment go to Region Category and type in neglected horses in the "Search this Forum" box.
    Every single thread on that particular topic is in Galway, no other regional forum has it. Everyone else keeps animal issues in Animals.

    Back OT everyone pls.


  • #129
    toadfly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭toadfly


    biko wrote: »
    people obsessed with animal welfare

    You don't have to be obsessed with animal welfare to be concerned or to do something.

    Bad choice of words IMO and is typical of the Irish attitude.


  • #130
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Maybe "concerned" would be a better word.


  • #131
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    biko wrote: »
    These two types clash easily and this whole issue can easily be avoided by keeping animal issues in Animals forum.

    -or by keeping it under control -dont you think so?

    I am far from beeing obsessed with anything and even if someone is -thats no harm to be obsessed with some possitive ideas.
    I wouldnt also call the "other type" less obsessed -i would call them ignorants.
    I know you dont get paid for beeing a moderator -but you took it and its your job to keep everything in order. Why dont do this so?
    this cant be more simple - just shouldnt go off topic and thats it!


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  • #132
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    There's no point in getting popcorn, is there...


  • #133
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    Ficheall wrote: »
    There's no point in getting popcorn, is there...

    IBTL, pass the bowl :)

    Hmm.. and this is all sounding familiar, thought the two usernames for some people thing was discouraged...:rolleyes:


  • #134
    toadfly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭toadfly


    inisboffin wrote: »
    thought the two usernames for some people thing was discouraged...:rolleyes:

    Who are you talking about?


  • #135
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Who? Spill!


  • #136
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    No fun to spill lads:p
    I don't mean two in the one thread, but do a bit of Sherlockin' if ye haven't spotted it! /OT


  • #137
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Ah come on - it's Christmas :(


  • #138
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    biko wrote: »
    These two types clash easily and this whole issue can easily be avoided by keeping animal issues in Animals forum.

    I totally disagree. This thread has provided some excellent discussion & argument - surely that is why we are here.

    Often this type of topic doesn't get discussed on A&P because most people there support animal welfare so there is no balance.

    I would urge some of the posters here who have opposed the animal welfare view to post in A&P.

    Now back on topic does anyone know anything about the horses that were dumped in Furbo ?.


  • #139
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Discodog wrote: »
    I would urge some of the posters here who have opposed the animal welfare view to post in A&P.

    Care to specify what you regard this "animal welfare view" to be, and point out who has opposed it? :confused:


  • #140
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
    That said, the dogs and cat were probably just minding their own business. However, if you wake up some morning to find a horse outside your house uninvolved in a Rubberbandits skit, then there may indeed be some cause for concern.
    You could wear a false moustache if it makes you feel more comfortable.
    EGAR wrote: »

    I've done rescue in this country for the past 14 years. I've seen things that would make your toenails curl or make you p*ke your guts out.
    I have seen dogs with cut off ears, doused in diesel and set alight, tied to a tree in the forest and left to starve, I've seen donkeys with curled hooves barely able to walk, I've seen horses so emaciated the only body part they could still move were their eyes. And THAT WAS IN THE GOOD TIMES!

    So, yes, Ireland is extremely backwards when it comes to the care of its animals. And I am in a good position to judge this.

    I would say that these two posts express a pretty opposite opinion. You seem to think that stray dogs are just having a good time & EGAR (& Me) totally disagree with you.


  • #141
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    That first post of mine is quite clearly nonsense which has no bearing on anything. And minding one's own business does not equate to having a good time in any case.

    Anyway..
    I do feel sorry for the animals in that miserable weather. And the homeless people who are stuck out in it. And all the people dying of starvation in Africa etc.
    You seem to be suggesting that just because I'm not trying to do or encourage others to do anything about it, that I am actively opposed to them having some sort of reasonable living standard.
    I could be reading you completely wrong of course - which is why I asked you to specify what you meant by "the animal welfare view", but you've neglected to do so...


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  • #142
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    OK I will try again. Those who support Animal Welfare might argue that it should not be a matter of priorities but that Animal Welfare Law is a fundamental part of any society. No animal should be subjected to unnecessary suffering, which is the definition of cruelty.

    Others will argue that humans have domain over animals & take precedence in any law. For example they will argue that Hare Coursing is not cruel or that a degree of animal suffering can be justified as necessary & therefore not cruel.

    One dog owner will consider it acceptable to keep their dog chained up all day & during a minus 10c night whereas anyone with an animal welfare agenda would consider this to be cruelty.

    Many posters here consider that there is a huge problem with stray dogs Amharan Nua disagrees.


  • #143
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Discodog wrote: »
    OK I will try again. Those who support Animal Welfare might argue that it should not be a matter of priorities but that Animal Welfare Law is a fundamental part of any society. No animal should be subjected to unnecessary suffering, which is the definition of cruelty.

    A difference of opinion as to what issues should be prioritized in society does not strictly count as opposing an "animal welfare view", surely?
    Discodog wrote: »
    Others will argue that humans have domain over animals & take precedence in any law.

    Humans do generally take precendence in any law. If, for an extreme example, there were a homeless person or a stray dog and I could choose to save one from freezing to death, I would probably choose the human.
    Granted, there are certain gob****es that I'm sure I'd be only too happy to leave to death, but...
    Discodog wrote: »
    Many posters here consider that there is a huge problem with stray dogs Amharan Nua disagrees.

    Disagreeing that there is a problem does not mean he is opposed to animal welfare..

    I'm not saying I disagree with you about the sorry state of many of Ireland's animals etc, etc. but I'd say it's safer to say that posters just have different priorities, as opposed to actively wishing to harm animals or cause them to suffer.


  • #144
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Ficheall wrote: »
    A difference of opinion as to what issues should be prioritized in society does not strictly count as opposing an "animal welfare view", surely?

    It does in that you will never get animal welfare legislation because something will be prioritised ahead of it. Introducing an Animal Welfare Bill would do nothing to prejudice our recovery from recession or cost any money but people would see it as a waste of time.
    Ficheall wrote: »
    Humans do generally take precendence in any law.

    Not in Welfare Law when a human is abusing an animal.
    Ficheall wrote: »
    Disagreeing that there is a problem does not mean he is opposed to animal welfare..
    I'm not saying I disagree with you about the sorry state of many of Ireland's animals etc, etc. but I'd say it's safer to say that posters just have different priorities, as opposed to actively wishing to harm animals or cause them to suffer.

    If you do not think that there is a problem then you would see no need for legislation. People do have different priorities & that really is the key. I have already said that I do not see it as a matter of priorities but a basic right.

    So those who support animal welfare would argue that we should have legislation & enforcement now. Where as others might say that there are more important issues.


  • #145
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    Ok, please dont tell me there is no need for this thread. I've just found puppy and if by any chance someone would know where he comes from, please let me know.

    I;ve changed my mind. If this dog has owner who care -he should be looking for it and i will contact this person.


  • #146
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    But what is the thread about? Animal welfare? Cruelty? Finger pointing?

    I'd have absolutely NO problem with a lost and found animals thread in Galway City. Once that's all it was.
    Animals can travel though, trapped in cars, stolen and dumped etc, so I'd say a link/post to Galway County and Animals Issues would be essential. We didn't manage to deal very well with keeping clear, the issue of a missing person thread recently :( so I worry an animal thread would be no different tbh.




    Edit: And you have just removed some comments below the pics in the last post that connect to my point. But oh well.


  • #147
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    inisboffin wrote: »
    But what is the thread about? Animal welfare? Cruelty? Finger pointing?

    I'd have absolutely NO problem with a lost and found animals thread in Galway City. Once that's all it was.
    Animals can travel though, trapped in cars, stolen and dumped etc, so I'd say a link/post to Galway County and Animals Issues would be essential. We didn't manage to deal very well with keeping clear, the issue of a missing person thread recently :( so I worry an animal thread would be no different tbh.

    whatever


  • #148
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    softmee wrote: »
    whatever

    Thank you for illustrating my point so eloquently...


  • #149
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    softmee wrote: »
    Ok, please dont tell me there is no need for this thread. I've just found puppy and if by any chance someone would know where he comes from, please let me know.

    I;ve changed my mind. If this dog has owner who care -he should be looking for it and i will contact this person.

    There is an excellent lost & found thread permanently in the A&P section. This is where everyone will look & remember just because you find a dog in Galway it doesn't mean that this is where it's owners are. Dogs get taken & then dumped. It is surprisingly common for a dog to turn up many miles from where it went missing.

    The other reason for posting in A&P is that those here who are involved with rescues will see it.


  • #150
    softmee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭softmee


    Discodog wrote: »
    There is an excellent lost & found thread permanently in the A&P section. This is where everyone will look & remember just because you find a dog in Galway it doesn't mean that this is where it's owners are. Dogs get taken & then dumped. It is surprisingly common for a dog to turn up many miles from where it went missing.

    The other reason for posting in A&P is that those here who are involved with rescues will see it.

    I dont care anymore. This is ridiculous. All i see here is problems. whats wrong with you people? Dont you have other problems? I just opened this thread because i see homeless dogs alll around and i didnt get help from rescues, so i thought i might find some help here. (and i did from one person) I dont care about your debate about this and that. It doesnt help at all.


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  • #151
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    softmee wrote: »
    I dont care anymore. This is ridiculous. All i see here is problems. whats wrong with you people? Dont you have other problems?

    So why do you keep coming back? (again and again)

    Do you really think insulting people on here will make them help you?

    I really wonder about your motives as you seem to have petulantly removed photos of a lost dog after posting them because you 'changed your mind'!:mad:


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