Dark Souls

Encrypted Pigeon · 22-06-2017 7:26pm

Finally I can say I finished a souls game, nearly 2 long rage induced years with constant reminders of failures, it is over. Used a big ball of cheese against gywn hiding behind a rock, but I don't care, a result is a result. I'm sure there was an intelligent way to play this game but I never figured it out and went the brute force path.

My only regret was I linked the flames so soon, I want to have a crack at the dlc before ng but the excitement got the better of me

I still have DS3 and Bloodbourne in the waiting, but at least I know now, win is possible.

I love these games, I cant think of any other game that I've ever played that constantly draws me back.

SeantheMan · 23-06-2017 7:13am

Encrypted Pigeon wrote: »

Finally I can say I finished a souls game, nearly 2 long rage induced years with constant reminders of failures, it is over. Used a big ball of cheese against gywn hiding behind a rock, but I don't care, a result is a result. I'm sure there was an intelligent way to play this game but I never figured it out and went the brute force path.

My only regret was I linked the flames so soon, I want to have a crack at the dlc before ng but the excitement got the better of me

I still have DS3 and Bloodbourne in the waiting, but at least I know now, win is possible.

I love these games, I cant think of any other game that I've ever played that constantly draws me back.

Well you've got the BIGGEST hurdle out of the way.
Not only is Dark Souls 1 possibly the hardest, it's also the most cumbersome control wise. Plus you've actually BEATEN a Souls game now.
You're gonna enjoy 3 and be surprised at how quick it plays compared to 1 and how pretty it is

I'd jump onto 3 straight away while you are still in a souls mode, and also because it's more connected to 1 than what 2 is.

Encrypted Pigeon · 23-06-2017 6:01pm

SeantheMan wrote: »

Well you've got the BIGGEST hurdle out of the way.
Not only is Dark Souls 1 possibly the hardest, it's also the most cumbersome control wise. Plus you've actually BEATEN a Souls game now.
You're gonna enjoy 3 and be surprised at how quick it plays compared to 1 and how pretty it is

I'd jump onto 3 straight away while you are still in a souls mode, and also because it's more connected to 1 than what 2 is.

Yeah, I have actually been playing 3 in parallel had having given up previously on ds1 in frustration and wanting to experience something new, went back to ds1 because I was getting a frustrated with

lorian

. There is the world of difference in pace, going back to DS1 felt like experiencing a telegraph, I felt 3 improved my reaction time as that needs to be on point to get anywhere in that game, everything is just fury.

I have Bloodbourne sitting here too, I haven't played it much despite it being the reason I took the plunge on a PS4. Ill get to that too, now that some confidence has been restored.

23-06-2017 11:31pm

I'm normally one to bemoan remasters but I'd love if they did DS1 and right the wrongs hell call it a remake and do it the service it warrants. From would have everyone who ever played and enjoyed it buy it again.

noodler · 24-06-2017 12:45am

I don't get many of the game play issues.

Blightown fps aside.

I thought the gameplay was excellent.

Donegal Storm · 24-06-2017 1:29am

If they fleshed out the later parts of the game and gave it proper service, updated the graphics, removed some of the cheaper/more frustrating parts and added challenge in some of the easier areas I'd buy it again in a heartbeat. Give it another three or four years though

SeantheMan · 24-06-2017 4:16am

Donegal Storm wrote: »

If they fleshed out the later parts of the game and gave it proper service, updated the graphics, removed some of the cheaper/more frustrating parts and added challenge in some of the easier areas I'd buy it again in a heartbeat. Give it another three or four years though

Did you play it on PC with DSFix ?

Donegal Storm · 24-06-2017 12:39pm

Played it mostly on Xbox but I did try the dsfix version, definite improvements but if we wait another three or four years a lot more should be possible if they actually put effort into an update instead of just refreshing some textures.

The main thing I'd like to see would be the second part of the game given the time it deserved. It was pretty obvious that places like Demon Ruins, Lost Izalith etc were rushed, they're just big empty rooms with little atmosphere and nowhere near the same attention to detail as earlier areas.

SeantheMan · 24-06-2017 7:38pm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Played it mostly on Xbox but I did try the dsfix version, definite improvements but if we wait another three or four years a lot more should be possible if they actually put effort into an update instead of just refreshing some textures.

The main thing I'd like to see would be the second part of the game given the time it deserved. It was pretty obvious that places like Demon Ruins, Lost Izalith etc were rushed, they're just big empty rooms with little atmosphere and nowhere near the same attention to detail as earlier areas.

The creator of Dark Souls, Miyazaki...said that basically he wasn't in charge of Lost Izalith...hence it being basically sh1t and different from the rest of the game

Since I had the opportunity, I had to ask what Miyazaki’s least favorite zone from the franchise is as well. The answer should come as no surprise to fans of the series – it’s the lava/dinosaur nightmare known as Lost Izalith in Dark Souls. Miyazaki comments “Don’t want to elaborate on this very much. There was a different person assigned to this area, and although I was involved, I don’t want to pose very many negative comments for his sake. It can be a learning experience for all of us.”

Doctor Nick · 24-06-2017 8:10pm

Picked this up today for the 360. Just finished Bloodborne so want to keep up this style of gaming though have loads of others sitting there for when I'm jaded. Have DS2 and 3 also but want to get stuck in from the start. I know Demons Souls is where it all began but don't think it's out on 360. Anyway I may need tips going forward so will be posting here a lot I'm sure.

Donegal Storm · 24-06-2017 8:33pm

Gameplay is generally similar so you shouldn't have too many problems early on, it's just slower and you need to be a lot more patient and tactical in combat. I'm still not far into Bloodborne but from what I can see there's a lot more variation in weapons and armour in DS so you have a lot more freedom in play style.

Read up on what the different stats do as you can easily waste level ups on pointless stats that aren't necessary for whatever play style you want, eg. you can almost completely ignore strength if you're going for a dex build.

Digital Solitude · 25-06-2017 1:53pm

And you always ignore Resistance.

Always.

CliCliW · 30-06-2017 11:13am

I've been trying to slug through Bloodborne recently and it's such a different animal than Dark Souls. I've been stuck for days on Darkbeast Paarl, if not longer. This seems to be a common trend with Bloodborne for me and it's kind of sad, to say the least.

SeantheMan · 30-06-2017 1:08pm

CliCliW wrote: »

I've been trying to slug through Bloodborne recently and it's such a different animal than Dark Souls. I've been stuck for days on Darkbeast Paarl, if not longer. This seems to be a common trend with Bloodborne for me and it's kind of sad, to say the least.

I stopped playing Bloodborne.
All the areas felt very samey to me.
I'll prob go back eventually though

beans · 03-08-2017 11:00am

Collection of ambient backing-tracks from DS1. Pretty cool.

Doctor Nick · 22-08-2017 5:12pm

Can anybody give me some useful tips for Capra Demon? I'm tempted to just start over but the thoughts of the Gargoyles again keep putting me off. Somebody mentioned using a +5 shield. Might try that with new character. At the moment I die in a few seconds.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 22-08-2017 5:35pm

Doctor Nick wrote: »

Can anybody give me some useful tips for Capra Demon? I'm tempted to just start over but the thoughts of the Gargoyles again keep putting me off. Somebody mentioned using a +5 shield. Might try that with new character. At the moment I die in a few seconds.

get the lumps of $hit and throw them over the top of the fog gate, they'll poison him and you can kill him without ever going in. make sure to buy some moss that cures toxic though, cause it affects you as well.

Digital Solitude · 22-08-2017 6:31pm

Or go light armour, Grass Crest Shield and two hand your weapon.

As soon as the fight starts, roll round him to the left, head up the stairs and crush the dogs before he can follow. From there its pretty easy, head to the clearing inside the fog gate, and just bait his attacks, most are quite slow with huge windup and cooldown. If you need a break, sprint up the steps and heal.

22-08-2017 7:09pm

I usually ran to the back of the area up the ramp thing on the left and out on the ledge so I could semi manage the dogs and try for plunge attacks, it's grand once they are out of the way.

Doctor Nick · 22-08-2017 8:35pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

get the lumps of $hit and throw them over the top of the fog gate, they'll poison him and you can kill him without ever going in. make sure to buy some moss that cures toxic though, cause it affects you as well.

Just watched videos of that, it's actually pretty funny. Trying not to cheese me way through it but if I end up getting Pissed off I'll end up doing it.

I just did a new character and flying through it again just to get up to there. Well as far as the steel boar thing is dead. Reading a few guides and everywhere was saying +5 weapon, +5 shield. Certain armour. So I must have be doing this before I'm suppose to as weapon was just +1 with no way of upping it anymore.

Will post back and let yis know how I get on, thanks also DS and Enfilade.

Danonino. · 22-08-2017 8:54pm

Capra Demon was the hardest time I have in any demons/souls/borne game. I hate that boss with a passion. Not because of him exactly but the area and those two dogs. That fight as a whole is a nightmare. You'll eventually be able to just run in and bish bash boosh have a dead Capra but the first few playthroughs he's easily the most fustrating of jerks.

I had an easier time taking down Ornstien and Smough as a level 1 cleric than I did the Capra Demon on my first few playthroughs no lies. The 4 kings as lv 1 beats it but only barely.

The post above is spot on, enter the room, run, dodge, flee for your life up the left hand side and across the ledge at the back. Your mission is to kill the dogs. Once they are dead you can take Capra on whatever way you like. so yeah. Kill the dogs.

beans · 23-08-2017 8:14am

Doctor Nick wrote: »

... So I must have be doing this before I'm suppose to as weapon was just +1 with no way of upping it anymore.

On my current playthrough, I went in this order of areas/bosses
- Firelink
- Burg (Taurus)
- Parish
- Darkroot (Butterfly)
- Basin (Hydra)
- Garden (soul-farming the dopes)
- (Gargoyles)
- Lower Burg (Capra)

... so by the time I came to Capra, I had a +5 Grass Crest Shield and a +5 Balder Sidesword, plus decent levelling, which helped me 2-shot goat-boy.

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 8:35am

beans wrote: »

On my current playthrough, I went in this order of areas/bosses
- Firelink
- Burg (Taurus)
- Parish
- Darkroot (Butterfly)
- Basin (Hydra)
- Garden (soul-farming the dopes)
- (Gargoyles)
- Lower Burg (Capra)

... so by the time I came to Capra, I had a +5 Grass Crest Shield and a +5 Balder Sidesword, plus decent levelling, which helped me 2-shot goat-boy.

Sound, I'll chance that later. Did the Gargoyles again last night so more or less back at Capra again. Tried butterfly but that seems to be a ranged fight? Can't see how you'd hit it without magic or bow. The laser thing killed me in one shot too. I'll suss it out online later as I doubt they're deliberately forcing people not to use melee on a boss.

2smiggy · 23-08-2017 8:47am

Doctor Nick wrote: »

Sound, I'll chance that later. Did the Gargoyles again last night so more or less back at Capra again. Tried butterfly but that seems to be a ranged fight? Can't see how you'd hit it without magic or bow. The laser thing killed me in one shot too. I'll suss it out online later as I doubt they're deliberately forcing people not to use melee on a boss.

the butterfly lands every so often. you just have to dodge his attacks in between the times he lands. As far as i can remember, he has low enough health, so does not take long to kill

beans · 23-08-2017 8:55am

Doctor Nick wrote: »

The laser thing killed me in one shot too.

I remember that butterfly wrecking my head on my first playthrough. For that laser, you should be able to roll through it. Speed of roll is probably more important here than armour. Get your fast roll on.

There's a very useful NPC available for this, too.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 23-08-2017 9:10am

beans wrote: »

I remember that butterfly wrecking my head on my first playthrough. For that laser, you should be able to roll through it. Speed of roll is probably more important here than armour. Get your fast roll on.

There's a very useful NPC available for this, too.

I can't remember for sure but I think slow roll is better as you stay down for longer, staying under the laser. Nearly sure that's what I did, heavy enough armour with the grass crest shield and Drake sword.

beans · 23-08-2017 9:13am

Nyla Odd Tannery wrote: »

I can't remember for sure but I think slow roll is better as you stay down for longer, staying under the laser. Nearly sure that's what I did, heavy enough armour with the grass crest shield and Drake sword.

That's interesting, seems counter-intuitive at first glance. Never really fat-roll if I can help it. Never imagined an advantage to that before now!

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 1:16pm

Moonlight butterfly down. Bastard spent 5 mins almost just going from one side of wall to the other. Was getting dizzy. Very easy Boss in the end once you avoid those lasers etc.

SeantheMan · 23-08-2017 1:23pm

Doctor Nick wrote: »

Can anybody give me some useful tips for Capra Demon? I'm tempted to just start over but the thoughts of the Gargoyles again keep putting me off. Somebody mentioned using a +5 shield. Might try that with new character. At the moment I die in a few seconds.

Go in...run the up stairs to the left...and stay in the corner of the ledge..
More often that not he'll fall back down if he walks up them.
You can then do a drop attack onto his head.

Rinse and repeat

SeantheMan · 23-08-2017 1:29pm

Doctor Nick wrote: »

Moonlight butterfly down. Bastard spent 5 mins almost just going from one side of wall to the other. Was getting dizzy. Very easy Boss in the end once you avoid those lasers etc.

Worst boss in the game. You can also summon someone at the bottom..an NPC...and they solo kill it for you.

beans · 23-08-2017 1:36pm

SeantheMan wrote: »

Worst boss in the game.

That's an interesting point for discussion.

Been a few years since I fought him, but I'd call-out the Centipede Demon as my least-favourite boss. I found it difficult to fight due to the camera-issues, disliked the arena, and overall it just felt unfair and pointless. Lots of dying due to reasons beyond your control. Too much is left to chance.

I like Moonlight Butterfly, the soundtrack is great, it looks fantastic, and it's attacks are learnable, which makes it a fight you can learn and get good at. It's boring, mechanics-wise, for sure.

(I've seen every boss other than Manus, Kalameet and Gwyn)

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 1:41pm

SeantheMan wrote: »

Worst boss in the game. You can also summon someone at the bottom..an NPC...and they solo kill it for you.

Can see why people think that. Did I imagine it or was the music playing during it the same as when you fight Aldrich in 3?

ETA 1. Just being doing Capra again. Down to half health, best so far. Hit back on controller and started moving forward. Argh. No way am I paying €30 for new controller when console was only €40.

ETA 2.That fcuking Capra fight is a load of bollocks. Keeps getting me in a corner and I can't get out. Crap place for a Boss fight. Tempted to do the sh!t trick.

ETA 3. Die ya bastard woo hoo!!!

Daith · 23-08-2017 2:11pm

Really making me plug back in the Xbox and play DS1 again.

Started with DS2 and finished DS3. Got to Blightown in DS1 and just stopped. Think I might have been Souled Out at that stage though.

beans · 23-08-2017 2:20pm

Daith wrote: »

Really making me plug back in the Xbox and play DS1 again.

Started with DS2 and finished DS3. Got to Blightown in DS1 and just stopped. Think I might have been Souled Out at that stage though.

Do it! I've not played since DS2 came out, and the return is very welcome.

This is my second character, dex build, just got to the archers in Anor Londo and having a ball. Despite zero online traffic (pc), which is a shame.

Digital Solitude · 23-08-2017 2:25pm

Jaysus you fellas love your cheese ey?

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 2:33pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Jaysus you fellas love your cheese ey?

Didn't cheese it in the end. Found the ledge and just dropped him three or four times. Was getting frustrated though.

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 2:36pm

Daith wrote: »

Really making me plug back in the Xbox and play DS1 again.

Started with DS2 and finished DS3. Got to Blightown in DS1 and just stopped. Think I might have been Souled Out at that stage though.

Do it! Much better when someone else is playing. I finished 2 and 3 in recent months also. 1 seems much harder and it's still early so going forward with a sense of dread.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 23-08-2017 4:39pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Jaysus you fellas love your cheese ey?

I beat him legit on my first playthrough, but it was very nearly the point where I gave up on the game for good, I had died so often, luckily the game had its hooks in deep enough to make me persevere.

In fairness, The game is so well designed for you to approach situations with different techniques, I wouldn't look down on anyone who flings dung over the wall to kill the b@stard.

Digital Solitude · 23-08-2017 4:46pm

I'm only messing, don't mean to be condescending.

Sure I tried killing Manus with arrows a few times myself

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 4:51pm

First time I did Father Gazza in Bloodborne I cheesed it. The next time I fought him properly, parrying and everything and got such a rush I swore I would never cheese again. Came close with Capra, and probably would have done the dung or firebombs outside if I hadn't beat him by tonight. Didn't come to that thankfully :P

Stone Deaf 4evr · 23-08-2017 5:12pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I'm only messing, don't mean to be condescending.

Sure I tried killing Manus with arrows a few times myself

nah dude its all good, you gave me plenty good advice on my first playthrough when I hadnt a notion. :cool:

this thread is still one of my favourite on boards. its like no-one unsubscribes, we just wait for more fresh meat to help through the grinder:D

Doctor Nick · 23-08-2017 10:05pm

:mad: curse blowing frog things. Health penalty is harsh.

Digital Solitude · 23-08-2017 10:25pm

Doctor Nick wrote: »

:mad: curse blowing frog things. Health penalty is harsh.

To heal

head to the first bell tower, by the gargoyles.

SeantheMan · 24-08-2017 9:44am

Doctor Nick wrote: »

:mad: curse blowing frog things. Health penalty is harsh.

OOOOhhhh we all know what area is coming up next. Fun times ahead !

Also...now that you're at least up to this point. Enjoy this video.
He has ones for other areas...but DON'T watch unless you've played them yourself.

For everyone else...they've prob seen it, if not...enjoy again.
Best souls video series ever !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xt_K_r0aI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fhc9a9_lI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro94e0QPN7s

um7y1h83ge06nx · 24-08-2017 10:02am

SeantheMan wrote: »

OOOOhhhh we all know what area is coming up next. Fun times ahead !

I really hate that enemy

the fcuking frame-rate

sweetie · 24-08-2017 10:58am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

this thread is still one of my favourite on boards. its like no-one unsubscribes, we just wait for more fresh meat to help through the grinder:D

indeed it is, love you guys

SeantheMan · 24-08-2017 12:04pm

You know what,
I'm sat here bored...lookin at my PC and PS4 for games to play.
I bought a PS4 for FF15, still not played it.
I also have Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, Resi 7, Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Bloodborne loaded onto it too and not finished any of em.
On PC I've countless games screaming out for me to 'try' them even..

But I'm gonna start a new playthrough of DS1 instead !

SeantheMan · 24-08-2017 12:23pm

Actually no I'm not.
I just loaded up my game to see where I stopped...not sure if it was NG+2 or a new game or what.
But it

was the long road to Gwyn.

Ran down it a few times...tried to parry him...my timings are a bit off after a year or so hiatus.

Then I started trying to think about my last playthrough...and

I remember Ornstein and Smough...and noone on PC so noone to summon, so it took forever to solo them, and the poxy 4 Kings fight...and I wasn't sure if I was ready for that again...I remember being furious in my most recent run
(I have completed the game multiple times)

I think I'll just try finish the part I'm at and maybe come back to it another time :P

sweetie · 24-08-2017 12:53pm

I started a new run recently as i've never played the DLC. I'm at the gargoyles and whilst it's aged a bit compared to DS3 its still so good.

24-08-2017 1:37pm

Started a new run myself the other day, got the gargoyles done.

Been a while since I last played it certainly it was prior to DS3 coming out definitely has the hardest first few section of the Souls games.

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