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    #3272
    wackokid
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    TTM, why do you set yourself up as the sole expert on both football and hurling?


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    #3273
    thinkstoomuch1
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    sean mac wrote: »
    TTM, your spot on most of the time and were dead right with the footballers, but if you think oneill had a fine game today and is in anyway back to where he needs to be I have to disagree. Hhis touch while never great ala Sherlock is way off, he pulls wildly now and his confidence is gone, that's JBMs fault for leaving him exposed on the square at 3 far too often when he istn related to a full back.
    Of course cork will improve in 5 weeks, how could they not improve on that farce today? Thinking like some do that JBM and landers will somehow master Waterford having seen them is a maybe, we had a good look at clare a few years ago and failed to measure up,
    The team have no tactic except to go out and hurl, its not enough, today was crying out for conor osullivan to be the spare defender, he is a great man to use the ball but unforgiveably managemet let him walk away while giving cahalane game after game and he istn good enough.
    JBM has done a great job with this really average bunch of players, harnedy, lehane and horgan sometimes are class, a lot more are decent, but then the likes of walsh, cooper, Lawton, cahalane are not up to this level despite trying hard.
    Very disappointing performance today from a team who have never won a national competition, a well prepared confident team should be able to perform twice in 2 months and back themselves, its clear this cork team is neither
    Cooper was immense today and is player with dog within

    O Neill though was good ist half


    Agree regards sullivan

    Lawton is seen as great and course one cork reporter thinks he spot on as he's club man but he's awful this level and even club humiliating defeat to monlidgo he was poor

    Walsh be fine
    Lehane though would roam but ist time all year cork left lehane full
    Why?
    Clear as day weren't really worried for winning
    He'll be fine at half forward

    O shea had a good game
    Ryan was good
    Murphy Ellis be like Nash fully fit
    Waterford very predictable sean have no plan b so have no doubt I'll be proven right cork will win
    All Ireland is long way off for now but Waterford are no kk despite louganne yerra talk

    This is set up for cork sean
    I agree you're other points


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    #3274
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    wackokid wrote: »
    TTM, why do you set yourself up as the sole expert on both football and hurling?

    I don't and I'm debating
    I can't help it be fair I'm right more times than I'm wrong
    Not going down old roads with you again
    You have a bee in your bonnet regards football when everything I said would happen happened and driscoll and Hayes were poor
    You didn't say much after football last week so you want to debate please do so
    You said driscoll would stop McCaffrey and yet McCaffrey was man of the match
    How was that


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    #3275
    thinkstoomuch1
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    youngbob wrote: »
    what crystal ball have you? Walsh will be fine next game. Keep doing the same things & expecting different results is insanity.it's like letting hoggy anywhere conners game after game is silly beyond words but with your logic hoggy will get the better of him sometime and it will be the NEXT match
    Totally agree with horgan point that's poor however think championship next day we'll change

    Walsh still getting hurling up speed even said during week long way go yet
    He needs games


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    #3276
    wackokid
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭wackokid


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    I don't and I'm debating
    I can't help it be fair I'm right more times than I'm wrong
    Not going down old roads with you again
    You have a bee in your bonnet regards football when everything I said would happen happened and driscoll and Hayes were poor
    You didn't say much after football last week so you want to debate please do so
    You said driscoll would stop McCaffrey and yet McCaffrey was man of the match
    How was that

    Ya Colm O Driscoll is useless if that makes you a happy girl.
    Now I'm gonna play your silly little game and save a few of your more extravagant claims to throw back at you later.
    Two can play that game so watch your back.

    Debate my O, you are just an arrogant little so and so who most likely never pucked or kicked a ball. The internet is full of your know all types.


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    #3277
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Big game Wednesday limerick minors v Waterford and cork play the winners


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    #3278
    CORKDOUBLE
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    Lads we can dress this up and down anyway but todays performance was just as shocking as the footballers last sunday ...i dont care Leauge finals or not this has been the worst 7 days i have seen with both hurlers and footballers both hammered simple as that. Not good enough.


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    #3279
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    CORKDOUBLE wrote: »
    Lads we can dress this up and down anyway but todays performance was just as shocking as the footballers last sunday ...i dont care Leauge finals or not this has been the worst 7 days i have seen with both hurlers and footballers both hammered simple as that. Not good enough.

    Hurling imo was different in hurling we were in the game up to half time
    The football was over after ten minutes


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    #3280
    youngbob
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Totally agree with horgan point that's poor however think championship next day we'll change

    Walsh still getting hurling up speed even said during week long way go yet
    He needs games

    it pains me to see Walsh have a poor game cos I love to see workers get their rewards. I've great mass in McDonnell Ellis Kearney Walsh Harnedy& Cooper. If we could bottle what they have & give it to OUR more skillful players I'd be 1st to run out with the water. to see Cork playing with intensity brightens up the dullest of summers for me


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    #3281
    premiertipp
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    Was at match today - a neutral - and was shocked and disappointed with Cork display..maybe they don't want to show their hand, maybe they're thinking about five weeks time..but what about all the supporters who paid €20 a ticket, diesel/petrol costs, food etc. Team should have more respect for the people who travel week in week out to support them and at least try....


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    #3282
    thinkstoomuch1
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    youngbob wrote: »
    it pains me to see Walsh have a poor game cos I love to see workers get their rewards. I've great mass in McDonnell Ellis Kearney Walsh Harnedy& Cooper. If we could bottle what they have & give it to OUR more skillful players I'd be 1st to run out with the water. to see Cork playing with intensity brightens up the dullest of summers for me

    I'd agree lot your points and look I'm not trying to cover up cork performance as I'll always be cork harshest criticism but imo cork have more in them and I think they will win in June


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    #3283
    youngbob
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    the reason I'm so disappointed with today is there are 4 major trophies in hurling Munster Leinster AI & NHL. Kk won 3 last year Cork won 1. I see no reason why we couldn't have gone for this today & park it & move. get into the winning habit. let others worry about instead of putting doubts into our players heads of not trusting our tactics


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    #3284
    youngbob
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    I'd agree lot your points and look I'm not trying to cover up cork performance as I'll always be cork harshest criticism but imo cork have more in them and I think they will win in June

    even thought waterford scored a goal they never looked like scoring one. we had 2 goal chances Nash gifted them 2 pts from puck outs & Coopers point, take those into play & it narrows the gap


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    #3285
    thinkstoomuch1
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    youngbob wrote: »
    the reason I'm so disappointed with today is there are 4 major trophies in hurling Munster Leinster AI & NHL. Kk won 3 last year Cork won 1. I see no reason why we couldn't have gone for this today & park it & move. get into the winning habit. let others worry about instead of putting doubts into our players heads of not trusting our tactics

    I'd agree but problem was you play the same opposition twice month huge ask and only team could do it is kk so cork had to plan accordingly
    Look at kerry football in league this year and past cork were meant be ruthless clincal classy etc yet in championship it was different as cork were never that good but kerry allowed them be and imo there's a difference

    While not to the same extent I think waterford while good it was cork allowed them be over no intensity and hunger and that will change in June and if not then yes it's a disaster


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    #3286
    youngbob
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    premiertipp wrote: »
    Was at match today - a neutral - and was shocked and disappointed with Cork display..maybe they don't want to show their hand, maybe they're thinking about five weeks time..but what about all the supporters who paid €20 a ticket, diesel/petrol costs, food etc. Team should have more respect for the people who travel week in week out to support them and at least try....

    i think you're right. why try so hard to get back in the game in semi final to show a dud today. it wouldn't have been the way I've have played it. don't think deise will have 1 eye on final. you beat whats in front of you


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    #3287
    thinkstoomuch1
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    youngbob wrote: »
    i think you're right. why try so hard to get back in the game in semi final to show a dud today. it wouldn't have been the way I've have played it. don't think deise will have 1 eye on final. you beat whats in front of you

    Cause cork like most thought tipp be in the final

    Waterford year two so compared year four cork league title beaten munster good qualifier good but winning league beaten munster is disaster for cork

    Look at weakened cork team to now got beaten by clare and dominated in league play off yet munster won the munster game as clare then lacked hunger no intensity so waterford not good clsre two year ago won't worry cork at all


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    #3288
    It makes sense
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    youngbob wrote: »
    i think you're right. why try so hard to get back in the game in semi final to show a dud today. it wouldn't have been the way I've have played it. don't think deise will have 1 eye on final. you beat whats in front of you

    Just watched first half again only harmedy and lehane to an extent were winning or breaking even on winning ball one on one Waterford were clearing up in the full and half back line and with walsh out of sorts at midfield we did not look like winning. A lot of scores were coming out the field where the Waterford backs were lauding it, backs for cork defensively were okay distribution was poor though a lot of aimless striking straight back to the waterford defence with gleeson super for Waterford.will watch second half later always good to watch again


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    #3289
    N20
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    sean mac wrote: »
    TTM, your spot on most of the time and were dead right with the footballers, but if you think oneill had a fine game today and is in anyway back to where he needs to be I have to disagree. Hhis touch while never great ala Sherlock is way off, he pulls wildly now and his confidence is gone, that's JBMs fault for leaving him exposed on the square at 3 far too often when he istn related to a full back.
    Of course cork will improve in 5 weeks, how could they not improve on that farce today? Thinking like some do that JBM and landers will somehow master Waterford having seen them is a maybe, we had a good look at clare a few years ago and failed to measure up,
    The team have no tactic except to go out and hurl, its not enough, today was crying out for conor osullivan to be the spare defender, he is a great man to use the ball but unforgiveably managemet let him walk away while giving cahalane game after game and he istn good enough.
    JBM has done a great job with this really average bunch of players, harnedy, lehane and horgan sometimes are class, a lot more are decent, but then the likes of walsh, cooper, Lawton, cahalane are not up to this level despite trying hard.
    Very disappointing performance today from a team who have never won a national competition, a well prepared confident team should be able to perform twice in 2 months and back themselves, its clear this cork team is neither

    I'm in agreement with you here Sean, JBM has done very well with the players he has, of course there will be a reaction and an improved performance next day and we may well get over Waterford or progress to a point but we won't be winning Munster or All Ireland - we just don't have the players at the moment and I don't think they're coming through fast enough either - we need another 3 Harnedys across the team - Walsh for me the biggest disappointment

    Chink of light with minors, don't think 21s will cut it this year either

    Cork hurling not in a good place

    Can't see positives from yesterday's performance


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    #3290
    N20
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    CORKDOUBLE wrote: »
    Lads we can dress this up and down anyway but todays performance was just as shocking as the footballers last sunday ...i dont care Leauge finals or not this has been the worst 7 days i have seen with both hurlers and footballers both hammered simple as that. Not good enough.

    Sadly your right - seriously bad week


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    #3291
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/waterfords-high-skill-level-impresses-jimmy-barry-murphy-328593.html

    As I thought and said last night cork would play the mind games

    Beautifully played
    He side tracked the tactics issue
    We all know tactical side was awful yesterday but I'm convinced yesterday was by choice play tactics and won't be same in June
    Fair play him saying they would look stunning it rather than speak about root and branch review taking seven weeks and again see way he took pressure off lads by saying briefly management need look themselves also
    He knows and landers what way set cork up
    Cuthbert no point said management look at themselves
    That's the difference with both some seem to forget
    You can imo listen to jbm I find cuthbert interview just my opinion but regards football hard to listen to


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    #3292
    commonsense.
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    No way to dress it up, yesterday's performance was very disappointing. Yes, Cork will improve for championship but an AI is increasingly looking beyond them. 5 weeks time v Waterford is largely irrelevant in that Sept is what matters.
    Full back line is now a crisis situation. Shane going through the horrors(for 2 yrs now) and we have no full back. Aidan not the answer and JBM admitted as much by replacing him with Niall who we know is struggling.
    Question marks over 2 of half back line. Lorcan consistently only ok at best and Cormac as a rookie is struggling at times.
    Aidan too inconsistent at midfield. Well into his second season hurling only and yet his touch and hurling regularly let him down.
    Apart from Seamus (class act) and possibly Conor at times (inconsistent) we just don't have the calibre of forwards needed.
    We will improve,we may even beat The Deise and regardless we will make an AI semi. But that's probably as good as its going to get.
    I'm not saying this team is a disaster, they're far from it but it's becoming clear that the level of improvement needed throughout the team to claim an AI isn't there.
    And it pains me to say this, but tactically we are being out foxed in major games. I'm coming to the conclusion that our sideline are not advanced enough in their strategic thinking given how the game has changed in the last few years.
    Of course Cork being Cork the unexpected is always possible and we could surprise ourselves ...............
    Finally congratulations to Waterford, a fully deserved victory.


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    #3293
    zetecescort
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    youngbob wrote: »
    the reason I'm so disappointed with today is there are 4 major trophies in hurling Munster Leinster AI & NHL. Kk won 3 last year Cork won 1. I see no reason why we couldn't have gone for this today & park it & move. get into the winning habit. let others worry about instead of putting doubts into our players heads of not trusting our tactics

    Spot on, why not give ourselves a confidence boost instead of Waterford. We are being too cute by far IMO. We didn't even try change things for a few minutes to get an idea of what might work in 5 weeks. Instead we suffered a beating and are no closer to knowing how to beat Waterford and their system.


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    #3294
    thinkstoomuch1
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    Spot on, why not give ourselves a confidence boost instead of Waterford. We are being too cute by far IMO. We didn't even try change things for a few minutes to get an idea of what might work in 5 weeks. Instead we suffered a beating and are no closer to knowing how to beat Waterford and their system.

    That's a great point cork never tried to change things

    I said lawton be ist sub on as bar injury cadogan he was
    No coughlan who flying in challenge v KK and training

    Why didn't cork change the system?!!
    That imo tells the story
    Nothing be gained winning all out yesterday
    Remember cork beat waterford last year beat them twice going munster was awful position cork in Waterford had gander up
    This neutralise that and cork will tear in to them the next day hsve no doubt
    This was cork v kerry football league cork like kerry played cute ball and I for one fully support it


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    #3295
    thinkstoomuch1
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    commonsense. wrote: »
    No way to dress it up, yesterday's performance was very disappointing. Yes, Cork will improve for championship but an AI is increasingly looking beyond them. 5 weeks time v Waterford is largely irrelevant in that Sept is what matters.
    Full back line is now a crisis situation. Shane going through the horrors(for 2 yrs now) and we have no full back. Aidan not the answer and JBM admitted as much by replacing him with Niall who we know is struggling.
    Question marks over 2 of half back line. Lorcan consistently only ok at best and Cormac as a rookie is struggling at times.
    Aidan too inconsistent at midfield. Well into his second season hurling only and yet his touch and hurling regularly let him down.
    Apart from Seamus (class act) and possibly Conor at times (inconsistent) we just don't have the calibre of forwards needed.
    We will improve,we may even beat The Deise and regardless we will make an AI semi. But that's probably as good as its going to get.
    I'm not saying this team is a disaster, they're far from it but it's becoming clear that the level of improvement needed throughout the team to claim an AI isn't there.
    And it pains me to say this, but tactically we are being out foxed in major games. I'm coming to the conclusion that our sideline are not advanced enough in their strategic thinking given how the game has changed in the last few years.
    Of course Cork being Cork the unexpected is always possible and we could surprise ourselves ...............
    Finally congratulations to Waterford, a fully deserved victory.

    Niall????

    Who is niall
    Niall cahalane I presume you mean as I understand but niall was a football hero for cork, in bit bother recently though in club game side line moment but with barrs hurling selector not playing any more

    I take it you mean Damien he's son
    Nothing do with Ryan having bad game in fact Ryan good game held shanahan two points hurled any ball came way cahalane brought on as needs game as struggled injury

    Aidan done well imo

    Murphy been outstanding intermediate all Ireland champions under twenty one club ucc cork all league and and was good yesterday despite wearing shoulder brace not fully fit

    You are right cork will improve the next day


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    #3296
    zetecescort
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    I hope your right Ttm but I just think a boost to our confidence would be great. Kerry can afford to pick and choose their battles, they have plenty of medals.


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    #3297
    thinkstoomuch1
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    I hope your right Ttm but I just think a boost to our confidence would be great. Kerry can afford to pick and choose their battles, they have plenty of medals.

    Absolutely but cork dont have and your totally right we need medals but problem was cork showed full hand wouldn't improve much next day

    Mcdonnell interview said all for me

    Outstanding last year cork many agree
    He said not worried by yesterday went affect cork as he regards it as blessing he'll learn himself won't be as bad next day

    Imo that attuide lot players they had no hunger for battle and I make exception to say fair enough as Waterford play twice in June
    Cork may not win all Ireland but there's way more in cork for Waterford game imo


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    #3298
    commonsense.
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    Oh God....... how petty. Pathetic really.


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    #3299
    willietherock
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    I not buying the positive spin here. Yes Cork will be chastised after this dismal display and will inevitabily by much better come championship and will probably be good enough to beat Waterford in championship (imo) but the for this Cork side , given its a multi yr project at this stage with a Munster title and All final appearances behind them, its winning an All title or bust. They look a million miles away at this stage.


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    #3300
    sean mac
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    That's a great point cork never tried to change things

    I said lawton be ist sub on as bar injury cadogan he was
    No coughlan who flying in challenge v KK and training

    Why didn't cork change the system?!!
    That imo tells the story
    Nothing be gained winning all out yesterday
    Remember cork beat waterford last year beat them twice going munster was awful position cork in Waterford had gander up
    This neutralise that and cork will tear in to them the next day hsve no doubt
    This was cork v kerry football league cork like kerry played cute ball and I for one fully support it

    TTM, comparing cork hurlers with Kerry footballers is comparing apples with oranges. Any big game Kerry footballers get to they PERFORM, they never give up, they are rarely mastered on the sideline. This cork team RARELY perform in big days, now 4 out of 5 finals lost with JBM, sometimes give up ala tipp last year and yesterday and have NEVER tactically frightened another team.
    JBM has got them as far as any manager can, but this team are way off being where they should be, walsh again during the week giving interview after interview about how he is focuse and improved and again against top class hurlers he is found wanting. A full back line in real trouble and how people can brush over conor osullivan leaving as a by the by is unreal. We now have a fella who plays centre back or centre forward with his club who hasn't played a competitive game for cork in 5 years starting full back because at the end of year 2 we realise the fella we have given game after game to istn anywhere near the level required. -Chaotic stuff.
    Sure cork will be better in 5 weeks, why there is an assumption by some cork people that wateford wont also be better is beyond me.
    TTm,like you I don't think Lawton is up to this level, but JBM does and he is number 17/18 for cork every game and will be again in 5 weeks. If harnedy is out cork will not win. We now have a recurring issue with cork players pulling hamstrings - why?


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    #3301
    commonsense.
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭commonsense.


    sean mac wrote:
    comparing cork hurlers with Kerry footballers is comparing apples with oranges. Any big game Kerry footballers get to they PERFORM, they never give up, they are rarely mastered on the sideline. This cork team RARELY perform in big days, now 4 out of 5 finals lost with JBM, sometimes give up ala tipp last year and yesterday and have NEVER tactically frightened another team. JBM has got them as far as any manager can, but this team are way off being where they should be, walsh again during the week giving interview after interview about how he is focuse and improved and again against top class hurlers he is found wanting. A full back line in real trouble and how people can brush over conor osullivan leaving as a by the by is unreal. We now have a fella who plays centre back or centre forward with his club who hasn't played a competitive game for cork in 5 years starting full back because at the end of year 2 we realise the fella we have given game after game to istn anywhere near the level required. -Chaotic stuff. Sure cork will be better in 5 weeks, why there is an assumption by some cork people that wateford wont also be better is beyond me. I don't think Lawton is up to this level, but JBM does and he is number 17/18 for cork every game and will be again in 5 weeks. If harnedy is out cork will not win.


    Agree with everything there. A sensible analysis of where Cork are currently at.


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