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  • #452
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Please restore the bottom breadcrumbs, its incredibly annoying not having them, I think this is about the only forum I know that forces you to scroll back up to the top, considering phones/tablets are only going to increase in usage from now on you're really punishing people with tons of extra scrolling for no apparent reason...


  • #453
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    Thargor wrote: »
    Please restore the bottom breadcrumbs, its incredibly annoying not having them, I think this is about the only forum I know that forces you to scroll back up to the top, considering phones/tablets are only going to increase in usage from now on you're really punishing people with tons of extra scrolling for no apparent reason...

    Bottom crumbs aren't coming back, they are redundant. A link to the top of the page will be put in instead.

    Danny


  • #454
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Hardly redundant when theres 3-4 pages and a load of threads of people bothering to come to the feedback forum asking for them back but thanks for the reply I suppose.


  • #455
    SantryRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Lack of the bottom breadcrumbs is hugely annoying.


  • #456
    Clanket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Clanket


    Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »
    Bottom crumbs aren't coming back, they are redundant. A link to the top of the page will be put in instead.

    Danny

    A link to the top of the page is a bit useless if you ask me. It should be a link back to the forum.


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  • #457
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Clanket wrote: »
    A link to the top of the page is a bit useless if you ask me. It should be a link back to the forum.

    Except that the breadcrumb is one thing, but linking back to the top of the page is much more helpful for people without the sticky header - notifications, the boards menu, the search box AND breadcrumbs.


  • #458
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    Except that the breadcrumb is one thing, but linking back to the top of the page is much more helpful for people without the sticky header - notifications, the boards menu, the search box AND breadcrumbs.

    I think what he was referring to and it'll be the same with others, is more clicks than necessary are required now, to do what was easily avail before.

    Most people aren't looking to browse through the forum menu, or do a search query. They just want to browse back to the forum's page they were looking through.


  • #459
    mush500
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mush500


    Since I changed to the new look I can only get the first two options for the header menu- boards.ie and adverts.ie- if I refresh the page the header appears but then disappears again. Using Mac os and safari. Is there a way to change this?


  • #460
    Boards.ie: Tony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Boards.ie: Tony


    mush500 wrote: »
    Since I changed to the new look I can only get the first two options for the header menu- boards.ie and adverts.ie- if I refresh the page the header appears but then disappears again. Using Mac os and safari. Is there a way to change this?

    Try logging out and back in again.
    If that doesn't work, let us know what version of OSx and Safari are you using along with Screen resolution.

    Thanks,
    Tony.


  • #461
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    Boards.ie: Tony wrote: »
    Try logging out and back in again.
    If that doesn't work, let us know what version of OSx and Safari are you using along with Screen resolution.

    Thanks,
    Tony.

    Visit http://www.boards.ie/diagnostics and copy/paste the results for Your System/Browser/Resolution if logging out and back in doesn't work.


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  • #462
    mush500
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mush500


    Hi Dany/Tony

    The logging out didn't work

    Heres the info you asked for, thanks for the help!


  • #463
    Boards.ie: Tony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Boards.ie: Tony


    mush500 wrote: »
    Hi Dany/Tony

    The logging out didn't work

    Heres the info you asked for, thanks for the help!

    Hmmm...

    Your version of Safari and Flash seem a bit behind. (flash is on 11.4 and safari is on 6.0.1).
    Any chance you could check it in a different browser (Firefox or Chrome) and see if its the browser or flash that might be causing it.

    Cheers!


  • #464
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I'm sure it's been mentioned already but I switched back to the new one today to give it another go and one really annoying thing is the lack of menu at the bottom of a page

    say in this thread if I reach the bottom I can click

    boards.ie -> sys -> feedback

    to go back to any of the root menus, in the beta I can't and have to scroll back up :(


  • #465
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    I'm sure it's been mentioned already but I switched back to the new one today to give it another go and one really annoying thing is the lack of menu at the bottom of a page

    say in this thread if I reach the bottom I can click

    boards.ie -> sys -> feedback

    to go back to any of the root menus, in the beta I can't and have to scroll back up :(

    Or enable the sticky header. Or wait for a "Back to top" link to be put back in. You're right though, it's been mentioned :)

    Danny


  • #466
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »
    Or enable the sticky header.
    nah, made that mistake once already ;)

    thanks though.

    /waits


  • #467
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »
    Or enable the sticky header. Or wait for a "Back to top" link to be put back in. You're right though, it's been mentioned :)

    Danny

    Or press the "Home" key on the keyboard. ;)


  • #468
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Or press the "Home" key on the keyboard. ;)

    what am I, not lazy?! pffft, more than one click / keystroke unnecessarily :D


  • #469
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    I miss the bottom breadcrumbs as well. No sticky header on my phone so a trip to the top of the thread is required. It is a small bit intensely irritating thing.

    MrP


  • #470
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but not sure if it was mentioned much since. When browsing I usually press the space bar to move the page down as I read it. The problem with this, since the new look was introduced is that when it moves it down, the page jumps down slightly more than "one screen full" so that I often have to go then and press the arrow up on the scroll bar because I've missed a line. I know I'm not really describing this well and it seems like a minor thing, but it's really really annoying. Can anything be done about this?


  • #471
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but not sure if it was mentioned much since. When browsing I usually press the space bar to move the page down as I read it. The problem with this, since the new look was introduced is that when it moves it down, the page jumps down slightly more than "one screen full" so that I often have to go then and press the arrow up on the scroll bar because I've missed a line. I know I'm not really describing this well and it seems like a minor thing, but it's really really annoying. Can anything be done about this?
    I've asked, and no: nothing can be done. If you use the Page Down key instead of the spacebar, that works. I know it's not as handy.


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  • #472
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I've asked, and no: nothing can be done. If you use the Page Down key instead of the spacebar, that works. I know it's not as handy.

    Yep, we have a workaround for PageDn but it simply cannot be implemented for the spacebar. I should also note that this is an issue that isn't trivial to solve even for browser development teams, as evidenced by Mozilla's attempt to resolve it :)

    Danny


  • #473
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Hi Danny, can I just ask, what exactly is the problem with including the bottom breadcrumbs? Its been that way since the first internet BBs and their absense on boards is especially noticeable, you get to the bottom of the page when reading a forum and you immediately look for them to get you out of there, nothing else is a viable substitute for them, not sticky headers, not goto top of page buttons, not pressing the Home key on the keyboard, all of these require more work and are annoying to use.

    I know its a petty first world problem to stay going on about but it really is bizarre that you would remove a feature used by 99% (estimated) of the bulletin boards on the internet because its 'clutter' or 'you can do it another way', people dont want to do it any other way.


  • #474
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    Thargor wrote: »
    Hi Danny, can I just ask, what exactly is the problem with including the bottom breadcrumbs? Its been that way since the first internet BBs and their absense on boards is especially noticeable, you get to the bottom of the page when reading a forum and you immediately look for them to get you out of there, nothing else is a viable substitute for them, not sticky headers, not goto top of page buttons, not pressing the Home key on the keyboard, all of these require more work and are annoying to use.

    I know its a petty first world problem to stay going on about but it really is bizarre that you would remove a feature used by 99% (estimated) of the bulletin boards on the internet because its 'clutter' or 'you can do it another way', people dont want to do it any other way.

    This isn't a question best addressed to me I'm afraid, but your feedback has indeed been noted as per your earlier posts.

    Danny


  • #475
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I know Im going on about it :D

    Ill shut up now.


  • #476
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »
    This isn't a question best addressed to me I'm afraid, but your feedback has indeed been noted as per your earlier posts.

    Danny

    Who should it be addressed to? Because I really want to know the answer too! All the feedback about the removal of the breadcrumbs is negative and all we're hearing back is that they're gone permanently, and that's that. You asked for feedback on new changes, and people are taking their time out to do that. But on this issue we're just told to like it or lump it, without a proper reasoning.

    It's not bothering me at the moment, as I went straight back to the old skin when this change was made, as it made the new skin too user-unfriendly for me. But I presume the old skins aren't going to be around forever.


  • #477
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    It still doesn't work on the iphone.

    The old full version of site works OK.
    Except when you have to log back in again and it defaults to the new version and the bar across the top makes it very difficult to even hit login to login to get back to the old version.


  • #478
    Zab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Zab


    Regarding the drop downs on the upper right with my sn and My Forums on them. Are these boards issue or part of vbulletin? I kind of like the way it's updating when a thread I'm following gets new posts, but have you considered adding actual links to the threads rather than just updating the number?


  • #479
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    just replace the following from the bottom of page with the breadcrumbs.
    Save on space.. would look nicer also.


    Sites:

    adverts.ie boardsdeals.ie daft.ie rent.ie property.ie thejournal.ie


  • #480
    wnolan1992
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Out of interest, has any more thought been put into having a notification in the tab header similar to Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, etc?


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  • #481
    Taco Corp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    TheChrisD wrote: »
    Another one here who would like bottom breadcrumbs back. I prefer to read to the end of a thread, and then have the breadcrumb right there to click back into the main forum instead of having to go back to the top of my monitor.
    Agree. It's particularly annoying on ipad where the floating banner (or whatever it's called) doesn't work.


  • #482
    Adyx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    Original beta ftw. Breadcrumbs at the top and bottom of the page and a back to top button without looking cluttered. Best of all the sticky header doesn't take up half the page.


  • #483
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    Out of interest, has any more thought been put into having a notification in the tab header similar to Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, etc?

    See 28064212's post at the bottom of this thread. (He created a script to use with Firefox (with Greasemonkey) or Chrome that does what you ask.)


  • #484
    Taco Corp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    When you go to edit a post, the top part of the edit post box goes behind the banner? can this be fixed? I've attached a screen shot as I probably haven't explained that well.


  • #485
    RUCKING FETARD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    Captain_Hindsight wrote: »
    When you go to edit a post, the top part of the edit post box goes behind the banner? can this be fixed? I've attached a screen shot as I probably haven't explained that well.
    Doesn't do that with me.


  • #486
    Taco Corp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    RUCKING FETARD wrote: »
    Doesn't do that with me.
    I doubled checked on IE9 and Chrome ( I use FF), happens on all three for me.


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  • #487
    JohnK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭JohnK


    It actually happens for me in IE9 too when editing in-thread but not after you click on the advanced option. From the looks of it the edit button jumps right to your post which puts the top of it under the nav bar rather than just opening the edit field where the post is on the screen.


  • #488
    Boards.ie: Tony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Boards.ie: Tony


    Captain_Hindsight wrote: »
    When you go to edit a post, the top part of the edit post box goes behind the banner? can this be fixed? I've attached a screen shot as I probably haven't explained that well.

    that looks a bit weird alright.
    Can you not scroll down to sho more of the edit area?


  • #489
    Taco Corp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    Boards.ie: Tony wrote: »
    that looks a bit weird alright.
    Can you not scroll down to sho more of the edit area?
    Yes, I can scroll down to see the whole edit area. But shouldn't it just all appear without having to do that?


  • #490
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Captain_Hindsight wrote: »
    Yes, I can scroll down to see the whole edit area. But shouldn't it just all appear without having to do that?

    Its an extension of why scrolling with the space bar no longer works. The page loads correctly but the top bar loads over it covering the top of the screen This combined with a few other issues which they don't seem to want to change makes it a poor upgrade overall.


  • #491
    Star Lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Adyx wrote: »
    Original beta ftw. Breadcrumbs at the top and bottom of the page and a back to top button without looking cluttered. Best of all the sticky header doesn't take up half the page.

    ^ This. I love the new dark theme, but I've had to go back to the original beta, as the lack of the bottom breadcrumbs was a massive pain in the ass.

    I really cannot for the life of me understand the reluctance to put in the bottom breadcrumbs! It seems like something that would take all of 15/20 minutes to do, and would have a massively positive effect.

    The original beta seems too damn bright now. :cool:


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  • #492
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    Can I just ask what the rationale is behind the lack of bottom breadcrumbs?

    They make boards more user friendly and talking them away is doing yourselves a disservice. I know it may seem like a petty gripe but a lot of posters on this thread have spoken out in support of keeping the bottom breadcrumbs.

    Obviously it's not realistic to listen to every suggestion from members but I genuinely don't understand the reasons for removing the bottom breadcrumbs, especially when so many people have complained about it.


  • #493
    Boards.ie: Tony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Boards.ie: Tony


    LizT wrote: »
    Can I just ask what the rationale is behind the lack of bottom breadcrumbs?

    They make boards more user friendly and talking them away is doing yourselves a disservice. I know it may seem like a petty gripe but a lot of posters on this thread have spoken out in support of keeping the bottom breadcrumbs.

    Obviously it's not realistic to listen to every suggestion from members but I genuinely don't understand the reasons for removing the bottom breadcrumbs, especially when so many people have complained about it.

    Hi All,

    Just wanted to say that the feedback is being listened to and wanted to jump in on this.
    Basically we're taking steps to pull our current thread look out of Vbulletin and build our own thread view so that we have much more control over how it looks and feels.
    There'll be a lot happening over the next few months. Some stuff will be taken away and added back in as we roll out the de-Vbulletin-ised thread view.
    We're trying to keep the impact as minimal as possible and can't promise that some elements will ever make it back in again, but just wanted to say that the feedback is be listened to and we're taking everything into consideration during the design process.

    We are going to add back in the prev / next thread and back to top button so you should see that appear over the coming days.

    Thanks,
    T.


  • #494
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,899 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    ^^^ No disrespect meant but, apart from the below, that tells us nothing. It's just fluff and a round about way of saying we're making the decisions so tough luck.
    Boards.ie: Tony wrote: »
    We are going to add back in the prev / next thread and back to top button so you should see that appear over the coming days.

    If a back to top button can be added why can't breadcrumbs? :confused:

    If it's because of performance issues, involving too much work etc then fair enough but otherwise it's clearly a sticking point regarding user experience.


  • #495
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    Boards.ie: Tony wrote: »
    Hi All,

    We are going to add back in the prev / next thread and back to top button so you should see that appear over the coming days.
    Thanks,
    T.

    Has anyone asked for prev/next thread link to be reinstated. ?

    dont think so . :confused:


  • #496
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Im thinking its turning into a bit of an 'ego' thing for them aswell, the way the Apple forums are full of people demanding basic features or tweaks but because the apple Gods said no at some point in the past their egos wont let them be seen backtracking :D


  • #497
    Boards.ie: Danny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Danny


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Its an extension of why scrolling with the space bar no longer works. The page loads correctly but the top bar loads over it covering the top of the screen This combined with a few other issues which they don't seem to want to change makes it a poor upgrade overall.

    Browser programmers are the ones who are controlling what happens with the spacebar. For some mad reason the spacebar became acceptable for scrolling instead of the dedicated scrolling keys that have been on keyboards since the IBM PC keyboard came into play in 1985 - PageUp and PageDn. These same people have failed to compensate in their scrolling code for fixed position (sticky) elements.

    You'll notice that we have implemented workaround for PageUp and PageDn with fixed headers. We shouldn't have had to do it, browsers should be smart enough to figure this out. We cannot do it for spacebar, because spacebar is a multi-purpose key. Mozilla recently attempted to implement a fix using heuristics for fixed position footers and headers, but had to roll back. Work is ongoing, but it's not our fault.

    Facebook and TripAdvisor - two example sites that are much, much bigger than boards are also affected by the spacebar scrolling to far with their sticky headers. I wanted to clear up the absolute misconception that, to paraphrase, "Boards don't seem to want to fix this".

    Danny


  • #498
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    John mac wrote: »
    Has anyone asked for prev/next thread link to be reinstated. ?
    I did, as did at least one other, possibly not on this thread. If you are in the habit of reading every thread in a given forum (which I am, for certain forums) they are a huge time saver.


  • #499
    Boards.ie: Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Boards.ie: Paddy


    John mac wrote: »
    Has anyone asked for prev/next thread link to be reinstated. ?

    dont think so . :confused:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056767840

    We do actually listen to user feedback.


  • #500
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    It's really frustrating that a huge percentage of the posts from the last few pages are complaining about and questioning the removal of the breadcrumbs, yet we're not being given straight answers. There were only a few posts about the prev/next thread buttons, and dozens about the breadcrumbs. Why cant you put them back? Referring to the change from vBulletin is not an answer.


  • #501
    wnolan1992
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    OK, if the bottom breadcrumbs were part of vBulletin, and ye want to phase out vBulletin, then fine.

    But what's stopping ye copying the code used in the sticky header breadcrumb (which I'm assuming are there to stay), and just utilising it at the bottom of the page?

    Removing stuff to declutter or whatever is all well and good, but when the resulting solution requires more clicks (you'd have to click on "Back to top", then click on the forum as opposed to just clicking the forum name) then it seems counter-intuitive to the user experience.


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