Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

CiniO wrote: »

How will you all supporters of hypothesis "speed kills" explain fact, that on German motorways where there's plenty of drivers doing speed of excees of 100mph, and often in excess of 200km/h or sometimes excess of 300km/h there isn't any excessive road death compared to motorways in other countries where speed limit applies and people adhere to it?

Who gives a **** about that? Doing 100 with someone up your hole is just stupid.

CiniO wrote: »

How will you all supporters of hypothesis "speed kills" explain fact, that on German motorways where there's plenty of drivers doing speed of excees of 100mph, and often in excess of 200km/h or sometimes excess of 300km/h there isn't any excessive road death compared to motorways in other countries where speed limit applies and people adhere to it?

Road deaths on German autobahns in Jan - Nov 2013 apparently have gone up compared to same period 2012 by about 8%, as far as I'm aware in Ireland the number of road deaths on motorways in Ireland dropped overall 2012-2013, and there is a constant ongoing debate about introducing speed limits on autobahns.

pablo128 wrote: »

And doing 100 up someones hole is even more stupid. Did you read my original post? I put my foot down to shake him as he was tailgating me at the limit on an empty motorway. When I realised he was matching my speed I slowed down to 50 mph until he overtook and fcuked off into the distance.

Without sounding like the high horse brigade:
Anyone driving for any length of time would have known that to get the result you desired (yer man off your bumper) would have been to slow down enough to where he'd rather pass you, you decided you'd break the speed limit with a tailgater first, what did you expect? Slowing down would have clearly been the safer option, yet you chose the riskier option over that, the fact he was tailgating you is hardly an excuse.

Speed kills, that is a fact, it doesn't matter how safe your car is, it can only withstand certain amount of forces, it doesn't matter if your car has a 5 star NCAP rating, it something immovable fast enough, you will come off worse.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Facts and figures please, from reliable sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0nIoLJUU0

Well that was a close one, but we were talking about speed.
This was clearly caused by idiot undertaking.

Nothing too spectacular, was trying out the iPhone in the cradle while I await delivery of my dashcam .



Very wet road, cyclist just out of shot was waiting to turn right but actually stopped and waved me passed so if he had of decided not to be polite to us drivers he could've came off worse.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Facts and figures please, from reliable sources.

From Wikipedia

Safety: international comparison
A few countries publish the safety record of their motorways; the Federal Highway Research Institute[49] provided IRTAD statistics for the year 2010:

International Killed per 1 billion veh·km
Country All roads Motorways
Austria 7.32 2.15
Belgium 8.51 2.87
Czech Republic 16.22 3.38
Denmark 5.65 1.92
Finland 5.05 0.61
France 7.12 1.79
Germany 5.18 1.98
Slovenia 7.74 3.77
Switzerland 5.25 1.04
United States[50] 6.87 3.62


Out of those countries, only Finland and Switzerland have considerably safer motorways than Germany. France and Denmark a small bit better.
Everyone else is worse in regards safety on motorways (Austria, Belgium, Czech Rep, Slovenia, US).

It was all happening out there this evening, not sure what happened in the first video moments before I passed.



And minutes later the red Audi had a quick change of direction..

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watch the full video...

I watched it again now.

White Audi correctly moves right after overtaking the Skoda estate with the bikes on the back to allow the camera car to overtake, which the camera car does

True

However the Sharan(?) driver is sitting in the outside (left) lane dawdling with nothing ahead of him or beside him

True

and belatedly moves right as the camera car approaches without seeing the Audi behind him.

True.
But Audi shouldn't be there, as overtaking on the right (undertaking) is prohibited.

Sharan 100% at fault. Should have been in the middle/far right lane all along

If there was accident, I think most likely blame would go to both, possibly more percentage of blame put on Audi driver.

I know in Ireland undertaking is normal everyday thing, but through all my driving in Germany I don't think i've seen one incident of undertaking (except in heavy traffic with lines of cars on every lane).
No surprise then, that Sharan driver didn't expect someone will be undertaking him.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

But the Audi wasn't undertaking. It had in fact been overtaken by the faster camera car and continued on at the same speed in the centre lane.

That's exactly what he did as you described, but he was undertaking.
If you don't agree, that pretty much means that you don't understand what undertaking is.
He moved to centre lane to allow camera car to overtake, but what he didn't notice was that Sharan was ahead on 3rd lane, and was going slower.
So Audi driver by keeping driving at the same pace on middle lane, was coming closer and closer to Sharan, and eventually started undertaking him.

In other words - from Sharan driver point of view. He could have looked in his mirror earlier, and saw no other vehicles on his right. So he assumed that he could change lane to right, and so he did.
He possibly loooked in the mirror to early before changing lanes, and didn't check it in the last moment, but that's my whole point - he couldn't really expect Audi driver to undertake.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

OR... you could argue that the Sharan caused the entire thing as it was in the wrong lane to begin with, and moved over without looking - but if it HAD been in the correct centre lane all along, the camera car could have overtaken without slowing down (and thus the Audi catching up), and the Audi could have moved back behind the camera car in good time to overtake as well.

This is why insurance claims are such fun - both sides have elements of truth

Well there is a grade of offences.
Surely occupying wrong lane on motorway (like Sharan did) is not as severe offence as undertaking on the motorway.

When driving on German autobahn, you would reasonably expect someone will forget to pull right straight away, and will hog overtaking lane for a while.
You wouldn't expect though someone undertaking, and that's what Sharan driver got caught with. He didn't expect Audi driver to undertake, and that's why he didn't check his mirrors or blind spots properly.

ardle1 wrote: »

I can clearly see in the second video he was doing his best to get in front of you and into that lane rather than take on the coach at the slip road, he does indicate and actually looks at you for a bit of understanding, was he trying to head North(looks like yellow plate)anyway you weren't letting him in!? I think I would have flashed him on in, maybe that's just me!

From my perspective I didn't see him look out the window, the dashcam being up again'st the window and being wide angle picked up on it alright. What I did observe was the indicator so I held back having a feeling he wanted to go right and opened the gap for him to change lane but didn't expect him to do so at the last second. At the point where the Audi put on the indicator the road turns hard right and I personally wouldn't attempt to go right from the inside lane at that point especially in slippery conditions as seen from the first video. If you watch to the end of the second video you will see that I also gave a Merc a chance to change lane in front of me but he couldn't make up his mind either.

i dont know who got a bigger fright him or me

When i first read this I taught scammer to myself. A silly move for him to stop in the middle of a main road, busy or not. There's a time and a place for courtesy but not when you put other road users at risk. It did appear for a second that he was gesturing at you to move off. The best thing you can do is stick to the ROTR and wave on idiot's like that.

Hal1 wrote: »

The best thing you can do is stick to the ROTR and wave on idiot's like that.

Owing to one or two similar incidents I now do. Which is a shame when some people are genuinely trying to be nice.

Don't know if this was the BMW drivers plan but I'm hearing about a lot of this lately where drivers who have the right of way are waving a car out, as the car pulls out they drive into them and you don't stand a chance on who's to blame.
I know of it happening several times around South Dublin alone.

Probably not what was going on here but be warned. And as above stick to the ROTR.

danger_mouse_tm wrote: »

Excuse the shake. Watch the taxi merging from the left. I let the video run on so you could see the problems I have trying to make progress in lanes of traffic when people like the guy in the Mercedes SUV and the cream coloured dual way bus hold the centre lane and plod along the road.

I'd send that video to Dualway, and point out that there's no reason for their drivers to be hanging around in the middle lane for no apparent reason.

The plate number on that taxi is clear enough, you could send it on to the taxi regulator as well if you felt that way inclined.

Now I'm off to be sea-sick from all the shaking

Very Good.. Not so smart Smart