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Not really on-topic stuff from "N6 - Galway City Outer Bypass" thread

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    crusher000
    Registered Users Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    Thankfully common sense has provailed because it was roads that brought alcoholism, broken marriages , teenage pregnancy and homosexuality to the west. What kind of evil would be fall us if an outer by pass was allowed to happen?. Progress away with you and we'll bet you with a stick if you dare come around here.


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    There are a number of overriding reasons but having the main hospital for the entire West of Ireland from Newcastle West in Limerick right up to Carndonagh in Donegal isolated on the wrong side of Galway is certainly one of the more important of them.


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    crusher000 wrote: »
    Thankfully common sense has provailed because it was roads that brought alcoholism, broken marriages , teenage pregnancy and homosexuality to the west. What kind of evil would be fall us if an outer by pass was allowed to happen?. Progress away with you and we'll bet you with a stick if you dare come around here.



    Twaszhent roads that brung all that filth, twas Gay Berren, tellyvision and Yoorop.

    Who else but the Yooropeens would come up with a sick joke like the ECJ, comin in heeor and tellin us what to do with our land. Ho-mo-seckshual hippies every wan o them.

    Hands off our bogs, while we're at it. :)


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Unfortunately again, advancing such evidence-based arguments gets us nowhere on Boards usually.

    You never explained precisely how you would get a Heart Patient into a Bicycle Ambulance either.!!! :D


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    yer man! wrote: »
    So you're anti-bypass then?


    I have made my position clear in numerous posts here and in other threads/forums. It's all there for anyone who wishes to read and inwardly digest.


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    You never explained precisely how you would get a Heart Patient into a Bicycle Ambulance either.!!! :D


    You have conspicuously failed to provide any evidence to support your repeated claim that "sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock".

    Now that you mention it, the 'bicycle ambulance' concept is quite well established, for example in London (a city also known for its congestion charge/road pricing, by the way, another concept we still seem to regard as too Lefty Green Yooropeen).


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    lucernarian
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    I have made my position clear in numerous posts here and in other threads/forums. It's all there for anyone who wishes to read and inwardly digest.






    You have conspicuously failed to provide any evidence to support your repeated claim that "sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock".

    Now that you mention it, the 'bicycle ambulance' concept is quite well established, for example in London (a city also known for its congestion charge/road pricing, by the way, another concept we still seem to regard as too Lefty Green Yooropeen).
    Are you seriously suggesting that seriously ill patients can be brought to hospitals on those bicycle-ambulance contraptions? I don't mind a good debate but I'd also like a little less absurdity.

    By the way, I think such ambulance bikes could be useful for reaching people quickly in congested areas. Touting them as a possible alternative method of patient transport...:eek:


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    Sponge Bob
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    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    By the way, I think such ambulance bikes could be useful for reaching people quickly in congested areas. Touting them as a possible alternative method of patient transport...:eek:

    They'd be dead handy for getting a paramedic ONSITE quickly WHILE the Ambulance gets there through the Galway traffic. IE Within Galway.

    They'd be about 123% useless for getting someone into an operating theatre from Athenry and with half a leg hanging off, advanced blood loss and the loose leg snagging the back wheel on corners and all. :D:D


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    Touting them as a possible alternative method of patient transport...:eek:



    Who? Where? When? Verbatim quote please.

    From http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/NHS60/Pages/Bicycleambulance.aspx

    "I thought, 'I could do this quicker on my bike'," he says. "When I got back to the station and started talking about it, everyone just laughed at me, but I knew I could do the job on my bike because of my previous history. In 2000 I got the go-ahead for an official trial."

    The results of the trial showed that Lynch was right and he could get to patients in built-up or pedestrianised areas more quickly. In addition, a cycle responder could tackle many emergencies alone, and avoid the need for an ambulance.

    "We worked out that we can save 250 hours of ambulance availability time in a six-month period," says Lynch. "That was great for me, to know that I was able to give Londoners back fully equipped ambulances."


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    They'd be dead handy for getting a paramedic ONSITE quickly WHILE the Ambulance gets there through the Galway traffic. IE Within Galway.

    They'd be about 123% useless for getting someone into an operating theatre from Athenry and with half a leg hanging off, advanced blood loss and the loose leg snagging the back wheel on corners and all. :D:D



    Any evidence yet of "sick people left dying in ambulances in the gridlock"?

    Or is it still a case of GCOB -- 123% more heart-rending hyperbole while you wait?

    And wait...


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    Sponge Bob
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Any evidence yet of "sick people left dying in ambulances in the gridlock"?

    Plenty, of course as you heartily wish never to see any such evidence you cannot be relied upon to look for it, preferring instead to accuse me of hyperbolé. :D:D

    Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Plenty, of course as you heartily wish never to see any such evidence



    Links please. Local news reports would do for a start.

    Major scandal in the (inter)national meeja even better, a la recent tragic events.

    C'mon now. Numerous people dying in ambulances on the way to hospital in Galway. There must be at least a sentence or two on the topic in the last 20 years...


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    Sponge Bob
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    http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-response-elaine-curley-roscommon-two-hour-journey-roscommon-a-and-e-526836-Jul2012/
    http://www.thejournal.ie/roscommon-hospital-closure-death-galway-525847-Jul2012/

    I didn't think you would forget this sad story so soon, but you did. Now to my question of you having supplied a recent high profile link. :(
    Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????



    Verbatim quote please.



    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-response-elaine-curley-roscommon-two-hour-journey-roscommon-a-and-e-526836-Jul2012/
    http://www.thejournal.ie/roscommon-hospital-closure-death-galway-525847-Jul2012/


    Two links, one story.

    Excerpt:
    "[The car crash victim] was just 15 minutes away from Roscommon Hospital but was brought first to Portiuncula Hospital in Ballinasloe and then on to Galway. She died en route.

    It’s understood that the ambulance crew did not admit her to the hospital in Ballinsloe, but rather made contact with Portiuncula and were then told to bring her to Galway. According to the Irish Independent the crew were initially given inaccurate directions when leaving the scene    ."

    No mention of a Bypass or lack of it. Not a syllable. Yet here is the Boards-standard hyperbollix: :D

    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock

    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick and dying people

    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick people die in ambulances in Galway Traffic


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    Sponge Bob
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    I'll rephrase the question for Iwannahurl just once.

    Where is the Regional Hospital serving all of Counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan.????


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    So, "sick people are left dying in ambulances" travelling from "all of counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan" to UHG?

    Let's see, the total population of that entire catchment area must be around a million people, right?

    That must result in an awful lot of ambulances converging on Galway City over time, with sick people people dying in them, as you have informed us repeatedly.

    No doubt the provincial and local press across the entire region has featured such tragic stories as they inevitably arise. The national meeja must have sat up and taken notice too.

    Now maybe I should pay more attention, but tbh I missed all those shock horror probes. I'm not saying they don't exist, mind, just that I can't recall any reports of people dying in ambulances while stuck in Galway traffic.

    Post the links to the reports here please. I promise I'll read them all.

    Here are the names of all the regional newspapers, to start you off: http://www.pressombudsman.ie/member-publications/regional-newspapers.169.html


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    The Nutty M
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I don't see an answer there either Sponge Bob to your question :p


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    #18
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    You need to read a bit more carefully.

    I'll wager the Shock Horror Probe stories of "sick and dying" people trapped in gridlocked ambulances trying to get to UHG from Ballyliffin will be slow in coming and/or thin on the ground.

    Let's wait and see all the same.


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    #19
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    Hmmmm

    No matter how many times you edit your post it still hasn't answered this question.

    Where is the Regional Hospital serving all of Counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan.????

    Go for edit number 3 there and see will it make a difference lol.Enjoy yourself Iwannahurl,I'm off to sleep.


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I'll try the simple question again and I'll post one of Iwannahurls photos from earlier today to stimulate everyones truth glands. Lets see if we can get a simple answer this time. :D

    "Where is the Regional Hospital serving all of Counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan.???? "

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    Hope the pusbike porn does the trick this time. Why did Iwannahurl post a picture of that British WW2 Bunker anyway?? :D


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    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    [QUOTE=Iwannahurl;84143065

    Now that you mention it, the 'bicycle ambulance' concept is quite well established, for example in London (a city also known for its congestion charge/road pricing, by the way, another concept we still seem to regard as too Lefty Green Yooropeen).
    [/QUOTE]

    First response vehicles are not ambulances. And in societies that are concerned more with people's health than PR, the first response paramedics have motorbikes. Which are significantly faster and carry significantly more equipment.

    Neither can actually transfer a patient - a van-sized road or air vehicle is required for this. As it stands, journeys that should be within driving distance of UCHG often end up being done by the Air Corps AW139s instead. Which aren't really quite as environmentally friendly as a Iveco Daily or Mercedes Sprinter...


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????



    Verbatim quote please.


    Sponge Bob wrote: »

    "Where is the Regional Hospital serving all of Counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan.???? "


    Seeing as how we're going around in circles (on a hypothetical ring road), according to yourself "sick people are left dying in ambulances" travelling from "all of counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan" to UHG.

    The total population of that entire catchment area must be around a million people, give or take a few thousand.

    That must result in an awful lot of ambulances converging on Galway City over time, with sick people people dying in them, as you have informed us repeatedly.
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick and dying people
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    sick people die in ambulances in Galway Traffic

    Self-evidently the repeated hyperbollix (regurgitated repeatedly since September 2012 if not earlier) about sick and dying yadda yadda on the way to UHG is meant to invite the conclusion that the lack of a GCOB has led directly to the death of numerous people in gridlocked ambulances over the last decade or two.

    Self-evidently neither you nor anyone else in this thread has been able to provide an iota of evidence, so far, to support this notion.

    Self-evidently (so far) it is just the usual Boards-standard guff laced with the whiff of a red herring or two.

    Is this what IROPI is going to look like? If so, gawd elp uz.


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    #23
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I think that long rant accepts that UCHG is the Regional Hospital for all the west of Ireland ....I knew that the pusbike porn would have some effect.

    The IROPI case is more sophisticated than stating that the Main Hospital for 1m people is gridlocked on the far side of Galway but I am personally under an NDA on the content that that I am certain of at this time.

    Save to say I improved how parts of it are presented and none had anything to do with the Hospital

    But I will ping an email in to say that a known serial objector has admitted on boards.ie that IE apropos UCHG >>>>that:
    iwannahurl wrote:
    "sick people are left dying in ambulances" travelling from "all of counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan" to UHG.

    The total population of that entire catchment area must be around a million people, give or take a few thousand."

    In case you edit it ...my direct quote of your words will beat your timestamp on the edit ( 23:15 at the time pf posting) and thanking you very much and all. :D

    I'll eschew the pusbike porn until I need your unique form of "hyperbole" again.

    TTVM


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    ...I am personally under an NDA on the content that that I am certain of at this time.

    Save to say I improved how parts of it are presented and none had anything to do with the Hospital

    But I will ping an email in to say that a known serial objector has admitted on boards.ie that IE apropos UCHG >>>>that:

    In case you edit it ...my direct quote of your words will beat your timestamp on the edit ( 23:15 at the time pf posting) and thanking you very much and all. :D



    Pardon?

    EDIT: I couldn't care less (in the present context) whether UHG was the only remaining hospital for the entire island of Ireland. The issue, as it relates to the proposed GCOB, is that you have claimed repeatedly that "sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock" (presumably on the way to UHG, since you keep referring to it) yet you have conspicuously failed so far to back up that assertion. Since you haven't been able to provide any solid evidence to support that outlandish claim, it is clearly nothing but emotive hyperbole.


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why did Iwannahurl post a picture of that British WW2 Bunker anyway?? :D



    Yeh wha?


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    EDIT: I couldn't care less (in the present context) whether UHG was the only remaining hospital for the entire island of Ireland.

    I know you "couldn't care less". Thanks for sharings your feelings with us BTW. Much nicer than lots of links to boring 'studies' .


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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    I haven't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

    WW2 bunker, NDA, known serial objector has admitted etc.

    Can you explain in plain English?


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    I haven't the foggiest idea. WW2 bunker Can you explain in plain English?

    On the left side of the photo you posted you clearly showed a WW2 Bunker with bicycles outside.

    Obviously you have no idea where your line of Bicycle Ambulances were when the picture was taken but I can show you WHERE the picture was taken.

    Pushbike Porn Shot Location Here

    and your Pushbike Porn below ( for the third and hopefully the last time in this thread) . Furthermore I can probably tell you the date of the shot to within one week and why there were no proper ambulances there...but not in this thread. :cool:

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    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    On the left side of the photo you posted you clearly showed a WW2 Bunker with bicycles outside.

    Obviously you have no idea where your line of Bicycle Ambulances were when the picture was taken but I can show you WHERE the picture was taken.

    Pushbike Porn Shot Location Here

    and your Pushbike Porn below ( for the third and hopefully the last time in this thread) . Furthermore I can probably tell you the date of the shot to within one week and why there were no proper ambulances there...but not in this thread. :cool:



    Er, why would anyone care about the "WW2 bunker" or "the date of the shot to within one week"!!?? :confused:

    The pic of the NHS Cycle Response Unit was simply to point out, in reply to a post of yours, that such paramedic services actually exist and have a real and measurable role to play. The lack of comprehension in this thread speaks volumes, IMO.

    What about "NDA" and "known serial objector has admitted"?

    As for this:
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Now to my question of you having supplied a recent high profile link. :(
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????


    What are you talking about?


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Please don't tell us that a "Cycle Response Unit" will have to get from UCHG to Donegal. Sure a Donkey Response Unit based in Glenties woud be quicker.....and could carry a stretcher as well.

    We'll take slowly as a given shall we. :D


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    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,278 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I don't see a good reason for the above posts to be in the "N6 - Galway City Outer Bypass" thread. If there is, PM me.

    If more posts need to be moved or other issues arise, then let me know.

    I am going to leave this thread open for the moment if anyone wants to continue the debate, but if the quality of debate doesn't improve, I'm likely to close it.
    • Sponge Bob, you have been asked to clarify the situation about Donegal and Limerick patients travelling to hospital in Galway, which I suspect is rare to non-existent, what with care being provided in Derry, Sligo, Limerick and local hospitals. I can only see some of your posts as baiting Iwannahurl. Please clarify this point before you continue posting.
    • Iwannahurl, stop rising to the bait. There was no particular need to get into the first responder debate in the "N6 - Galway City Outer Bypass" thread.
    • Everyone, you need to strike some balance.

      If you favour a road, you need to be able to justify that position on balanced grounds. Road porn can only go so far.

      If don't you favour a road, you need to be able to justify that position on balanced grounds. Getting into a myriad of of side-topics is unwelcome.

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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Victor wrote: »
    • Sponge Bob, you have been asked to clarify the situation about Donegal and Limerick patients travelling to hospital in Galway, which I suspect is rare to non-existent,



    Victor

    Health care in Ireland is provided by a body called the HSE

    The HSE replaced around 8 regions with 3. These are HSE West Hse South and HSE East

    Each Region has a REGIONAL HOSPITAL or supraregional hospital ( see below) where complex specialties are dealt with. The REGIONAL HOSPITAL or supraregional hospital for HSE WEST is UCHG located on the West side of Galway City. There are other hospitals in the HSE West region but many complex specialties are provided on a regional basis and involve moving patients with complex care requirements to Cork Dublin or Galway.

    People with complex care requirements are frequently SICK and some patients are SERIOUSLY SICK by the time the decision is made to move them to the REGIONAL HOSPITAL or supraregional hospital for their area.

    Derry is not part of HSE WEST being in another country. Derry should be the regional hospital for Donegal and is not. However parts of the Western Region outside Donegal would still be 100 miles from the Regional hospital in Galway even were Donegal attached to Derry for specialty care.


    http://www.guh.hse.ie/About_Us/
    Galway University Hospitals, as a designated supra regional centre, serves a catchment area in the region of one million people from Donegal to Tipperary North. HSE - West accounts for almost one quarter of the Irish population and Galway accounts for a quarter of this. The recent designation of University Hospital Galway as one of the eight national Cancer Centres, together with the roll-out of Breast Check and Radiotherapy will ensure the continued development of University Hospital Galway as a major emergency, complex treatment and tertiary referral centre.

    Now that I have clearly explained all that can you please reopen the thread about the Galway Bypass where all the posters are perfectly well aware of where their regional hospital is even if one has some unusual views on how patients should be moved.


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