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    #2132
    The Lost Sheep
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    5 of Under 18 Cup Quarter finalists decided
    Newcastle West-Estuary and Skibbereen from group 1, Dolphin and Dungarvan from Group 2 and Bruff from Group 3 have all definitely qualified.
    Midleton may qualify from Group 1. Shannon could from group 2.
    At least one of Waterpark and Sundays Well in group 3 will qualify and depends on points/other groups if the other will.

    In Under 18 Plate
    Group 1 Tralee through with 5 wins from 5, other quarter finalist will be Bantry Bay. Thurles and 1 of Killarney-Castleisland and Cork Con will qualify from group 2. Killarney-island and Cork Con have 2 games over coming weeks to see who'll join Thurles...
    Old Christians and Killorglin have qualified from group 3. They played today with Christians winning and they play again next week. Christians have a game in hand on Killorglin and with both sides tied on 16 Christians should finish top.
    Young Munster and Clonmel have qualified from group 4

    In Under 18 Bowl
    Group 1 a lot of games to be played but Kanturk will qualify for knockout stage. In group 2 Waterford City are through top of the group. Listowel will win group 3.
    With just 3 groups of 4 im not sure of the format of the knockout stage or who may qualify in 2nd place etc


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    #2133
    The Lost Sheep
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    In the 16s Cup
    Group 1 Bruff have qualified top of the group. Nenagh next week and Waterpark the following week host Ballincollig to decide the other quarter finalists. Currently Waterpark are 3 wins from 4, Nenagh 2 wins from 4 and Ballincollig 2 wins from 3. 3 sides likely to qualify from this group. Will have to wait for both these games to be played to see who qualifies. Playoffs may be necessary
    In group 2 Newcastle West-Estuary and Bandon 4 wins from 4. They play each other next weekend to decide first and second place. Skibbereen are third and travel to winless last placed Young Munster next week and must should win to come into reckoning for a quarter final place
    In group 3 Ennis, Midleton and Cork Con have all qualified for the quarters. Ennis have finished first, Midleton have a game to play but will finish second and con third

    In 16s Plate Group 1 all depends on how Kanturk do in their 2 games against Fermoy-Youghal. Richmond-Shannon-St Marys have 4 wins from 5 and Clanwilliam 3 wins from 5 and they clash in Tipp town next weekend. Kanturk have 2 wins from 4. Could be playoff needed here.
    Clonakilty and either Castleisland or Fethard will qualify from group 2
    A lot of games to be played in group 3 hard to say which sides will qualify. All 4 still in contention
    Only 3 sides in group 4 after Crosshaven pulled out and Clonmel haven't played yet. Too early to say yet

    16s Bowl group 1 Muskerry and Dolphin both to qualify. In group 2 Thomond have qualified and Listowel or Corca Duibhne may join them. In group 3 Kilfeacle have won group. Thurles could join them in knockouts..


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    #2134
    The Lost Sheep
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    In the 16s Cup
    Group 1 Bruff have qualified top of the group. Nenagh next week and Waterpark the following week host Ballincollig to decide the other quarter finalists. Currently Waterpark are 3 wins from 4, Nenagh 2 wins from 4 and Ballincollig 2 wins from 3. 3 sides likely to qualify from this group. Will have to wait for both these games to be played to see who qualifies. Playoffs may be necessary
    In group 2 Newcastle West-Estuary and Bandon 4 wins from 4. They play each other next weekend to decide first and second place. Skibbereen are third and travel to winless last placed Young Munster next week and must should win to come into reckoning for a quarter final place
    In group 3 Ennis, Midleton and Cork Con have all qualified for the quarters. Ennis have finished first, Midleton have a game to play but will finish second and con third

    In 16s Plate Group 1 all depends on how Kanturk do in their 2 games against Fermoy-Youghal. Richmond-Shannon-St Marys have 4 wins from 5 and Clanwilliam 3 wins from 5 and they clash in Tipp town next weekend. Kanturk have 2 wins from 4. Could be playoff needed here.
    Clonakilty and either Castleisland or Fethard will qualify from group 2
    A lot of games to be played in group 3 hard to say which sides will qualify. All 4 still in contention
    Only 3 sides in group 4 after Crosshaven pulled out and Clonmel haven't played yet. Too early to say yet

    16s Bowl group 1 Muskerry and Dolphin both to qualify. In group 2 Thomond have qualified and Listowel or Corca Duibhne may join them. In group 3 Kilfeacle have won group. Thurles could join them in knockouts..


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    #2135
    Blackclaret
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    Not so sure Con are certain quarter finalists, surely three third placed teams can finnish with 12pts. Half tempted to take a spin down to Bandon on Saturday if its a nice day. Charleville have conceeded so Midleton finnish with 16pts. With a friendly V Bruff weekend after next.


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    #2136
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Not so sure Con are certain quarter finalists, surely three third placed teams can finnish with 12pts. Half tempted to take a spin down to Bandon on Saturday if its a nice day. Charleville have conceeded so Midleton finnish with 16pts. With a friendly V Bruff weekend after next.

    I'd agree - Might have a play-off , or more likely names out of a hat as they are running behind schedule already due to the weather..


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    #2137
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Not so sure Con are certain quarter finalists, surely three third placed teams can finnish with 12pts. Half tempted to take a spin down to Bandon on Saturday if its a nice day. Charleville have conceeded so Midleton finish with 16pts. With a friendly V Bruff weekend after next.
    I knew that when typing it just my prediction. Like Nenagh play Ballincollig next weekend in group 1. Nenagh win and they likely to go through. Ballincollig win and Nenagh are out and Ballincollig then play Waterpark and could go to 12. Don't see that happening but...
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I'd agree - Might have a play-off, or more likely names out of a hat as they are running behind schedule already due to the weather..
    Drawing out of hat would be quite unfair and I wouldn't say theyre that far behind schedule, and if they are its not an issue, considering its the start of February and group stages are nearly over and we're nearly at munster knock out stages

    What again is format for Plate/Bowl knock out stages?


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    #2138
    Quin_Dub
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    I knew that when typing it just my prediction. Like Nenagh play Ballincollig next weekend in group 1. Nenagh win and they likely to go through. Ballincollig win and Nenagh are out and Ballincollig then play Waterpark and could go to 12. Don't see that happening but...

    Drawing out of hat would be quite unfair and I wouldn't say theyre that far behind schedule, and if they are its not an issue, considering its the start of February and group stages are nearly over and we're nearly at munster knock out stages

    What again is format for Plate/Bowl knock out stages?

    I think the challenge is that they have booked Thomond Park for the 12th/13th of March for the finals so they'll want to try to stick to that date..

    The weather delays mean that the group stages aren't finished until the 14th of Feb (assuming that all remaining games go to schedule) , so adding in a few rounds of play-offs leaves things very tight indeed to hit that date in March.

    If 3 teams are tied for 2 places , they may draw 1 name out and then the other 2 play-off for the 2nd spot.

    Agree completely that drawing names is very unfair , but it wouldn't be the 1st or last time that a competition has been decided that way...

    In terms of the QF draw from what I understand the only rule they have is that 1st & 2nd from the same group can't face each other..

    So for example , Newcastle/Bandon can't play each other nor can Ennis/Midleton but Ennis could play Con for example if they were to come through as a 3rd placed team.


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    #2139
    The Lost Sheep
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I think the challenge is that they have booked Thomond Park for the 12th/13th of March for the finals so they'll want to try to stick to that date..

    The weather delays mean that the group stages aren't finished until the 14th of Feb (assuming that all remaining games go to schedule), so adding in a few rounds of play-offs leaves things very tight indeed to hit that date in March.

    If 3 teams are tied for 2 places, they may draw 1 name out and then the other 2 play-off for the 2nd spot.

    Agree completely that drawing names is very unfair, but it wouldn't be the 1st or last time that a competition has been decided that way...

    In terms of the QF draw from what I understand the only rule they have is that 1st & 2nd from the same group can't face each other..

    So for example, Newcastle/Bandon can't play each other nor can Ennis/Midleton but Ennis could play Con for example if they were to come through as a 3rd placed team.
    They will but mid terms in schools are the week after next. If it had to go that way games could be played mid week. If 3 teams are level 2 will playoff and 1 drawn out. That has been procedure over last few seasons.
    If it come to it could games not be played mid week during school mid term?


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    #2140
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    They will but mid terms in schools are the week after next. If it had to go that way games could be played mid week. If 3 teams are level 2 will playoff and 1 drawn out. That has been procedure over last few seasons.
    If it come to it could games not be played mid week during school mid term?

    They could play mid-week but distances might be a factor depending on the clubs involved - The home club would also need to have "Match" standard floodlights , which is not always the case..

    They'll make it work either way , but suspect that they'd like to avoid too many play-offs if they can at all.


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    #2141
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    They could play mid-week but distances might be a factor depending on the clubs involved - The home club would also need to have "Match" standard floodlights, which is not always the case..

    They'll make it work either way, but suspect that they'd like to avoid too many play-offs if they can at all.
    Im talking about the school mid term which is 15-19 feb which could be used where possible. Games wouldn't "have" to be at night if possible that week and that is an option.

    Avoiding as many playoffs as possible is always best option. was lucky enough when playing age grade especially youths that I avoided playoffs though reached semis/finals in 5 of 5 years at principal age groups in virtually every year....


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    #2142
    gazump123
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    Newcastle West beat Bandon 18 - 15 in the u16 so they top their table.


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    #2143
    Blackclaret
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    gazump123 wrote: »
    Newcastle West beat Bandon 18 - 15 in the u16 so they top their table.

    Two very evenly matched groups, last second try sealed the deal though could easily have gone Bandons way. Both nines played well with NCW 7 a big influence, had all the buzz of a final despite both being through.


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    #2144
    gazump123
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    Nenagh beat Ballincollig 20-7. If Waterpark beat Ballincollig next week, they will go second and Nenagh third. If Ballincollig win, Waterpark, Nenagh and them will all be joint on three wins which will be messy.


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    #2145
    Blackclaret
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    Any date set for QF draw or must all the games be completed fore hand?


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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Any date set for QF draw or must all the games be completed fore hand?
    Considering the implications/permutations of next weekends games its unlikely the draw will be made this week. So possibly will be this time next week


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    Quin_Dub
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Considering the implications/permutations of next weekends games its unlikely the draw will be made this week. So possibly will be this time next week

    I had heard that they were talking about the last w/e of Feb for the QF's (27th/28th)

    There's still another round of group games to be played followed by possible playoffs..


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    #2148
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I had heard that they were talking about the last w/e of Feb for the QF's (27th/28th)

    There's still another round of group games to be played followed by possible playoffs..
    There's 2 group games left to be played in 16s cup. If Skibbereen don't beat Young Munster no playoffs required to decide quarter finalists. If they do beat them all 3rd placed sides are on 12 points.

    If only the coverage in media was better. Competition really has improved a lot since I played in this.... standards better and coverage is better now but still could be so much better


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    #2149
    gazump123
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    In u16, Nenagh are away to Skibbereen in a quarterfinal play off. Winners play Ennis in one of the quarterfinals. Not sure about the rest of the draw.


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    #2150
    Blackclaret
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    gazump123 wrote: »
    In u16, Nenagh are away to Skibbereen in a quarterfinal play off. Winners play Ennis in one of the quarterfinals. Not sure about the rest of the draw.

    Are the fixtures online anywhere Gazump?


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    #2151
    The Lost Sheep
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Are the fixtures online anywhere Gazump?
    Always check Munsters website... they're generally very good thesedays.. it used to be terrible.

    16s draw is Skibbereen v Nenagh next Saturday. Winner is away to Ennis in the quarter final...
    Bandon v Cork Con, Bruff v Midleton, Newcastle West-Estuary v Waterpark


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    #2152
    Blackclaret
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Always check Munsters website... they're generally very good thesedays.. it used to be terrible.

    16s draw is Skibbereen v Nenagh next Saturday. Winner is away to Ennis in the quarter final...
    Bandon v Cork Con, Bruff v Midleton, Newcastle West-Estuary v Waterpark

    Thanks man, have checked a few times but can not locate and the app doesn't want to talk to new versions of android. Bandon getting a home draw could be critical, could see all the home teams getting through to be honest. Some good match ups though Midleton v Bruff could be a proper humdinger .


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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Thanks man, have checked a few times but can not locate and the app doesn't want to talk to new versions of android. Bandon getting a home draw could be critical, could see all the home teams getting through to be honest. Some good match ups though Midleton v Bruff could be a proper humdinger .

    It's listed under "Cups" and not Leagues like all the other fixtures up to now.


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    Quin_Dub
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    Does anyone know if the Semi-finals are played at Neutral venues?


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    #2155
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Thanks man, have checked a few times but can not locate and the app doesn't want to talk to new versions of android. Bandon getting a home draw could be critical, could see all the home teams getting through to be honest. Some good match ups though Midleton v Bruff could be a proper humdinger.
    Don't see it as all home sides getting through and agree about some really good match ups.
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the Semi-finals are played at Neutral venues?
    Highly doubt it. Should ideally be(with the finals) played in Thomond and/or Musgrave but don't think so. When have they ever been played neutral venues. I played in Munster quarters/semis/finals when playing and quarters and semis always home/away.


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    #2156
    sfbdqc
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    Leinster do an awful job of covering most of underage club rugby.


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    #2157
    Quin_Dub
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    sfbdqc wrote: »
    Leinster do an awful job of covering most of underage club rugby.

    Sadly, all the provinces do.. Comparing the level of coverage given to the Schools Jnr & Snr cups and the equivalent Club competitions highlights the paucity of information/promotion available for the Youths game..


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    #2158
    The Lost Sheep
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    sfbdqc wrote: »
    Leinster do an awful job of covering most of underage club rugby.
    Most of provinces do.
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sadly, all the provinces do.. Comparing the level of coverage given to the Schools Jnr & Snr cups and the equivalent Club competitions highlights the paucity of information/promotion available for the Youths game..
    Schools cup games are played mid week with no other games for competition. The communications/pr bla bla bla staff of each province can cover the schools games as there is no other competition and if the schools cup games were only played on weekends they would likely get considerable less coverage.
    I have done some writing in the past on youths games but when some clubs don't help themselves with updating their own social media feeds/websites then how do expect others to cover/promote youths games.


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    #2159
    sfbdqc
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    The least Leinster could do is cover Shane Horgan Cup.


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    Blackclaret
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Most of provinces do.

    Schools cup games are played mid week with no other games for competition. The communications/pr bla bla bla staff of each province can cover the schools games as there is no other competition and if the schools cup games were only played on weekends they would likely get considerable less coverage.
    I have done some writing in the past on youths games but when some clubs don't help themselves with updating their own social media feeds/websites then how do expect others to cover/promote youths games.

    The timing of the games is no excuse, they could be covered retrospectively very easily, if the desire was there of course. Its not just unfair ,it's really poor from a marketing/PR point of view , turnstilles tanking so lets do our best to disenfranchise an enormous cohort within the province before they even turn 18.


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    #2161
    gazump123
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    Munster schools development side play a Munster clubs development team tomorrow in CIT. Kick off at 1 P.M.


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