Neighbourhood Watch Merged Thread

RobYourBuilder · 28-01-2015 1:21am

<SNIP> Please dont post newspaper scans or quote from other media, a link is usually fine. In this case though there is an ongoing case so we wont discuss it here.</Snip>

chucknorris · 28-01-2015 8:55am

It's all grand, sure it happened in God's name.

Santa Claus for grownups.

Larbre34 · 28-01-2015 11:14am

I wonder do Hailo screen for demented jealous spouses.

chucknorris · 28-01-2015 11:38am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I wonder do Hailo screen for demented jealous spouses.

Here's a little known fact. The Gardai do not check criminal backgrounds outside of the state for PSV applicants. They only do a background based on the time within this country.

Madness if you ask me.

An applicant in this country must be 5 years conviction free before applying for a taxi plate.

Arciphel · 28-01-2015 1:29pm

Just want to tell people about some issues we are having in my estate at the moment, There seems to be a gang of black teenagers hanging around at the pedestrian walkway between Huntstown Wood and Littlepace, we have had some issues before Christmas with this cowards stealing mobile phones /handbags from women who are walking alone. Since Christmas this seems to have increased, with muggins and also firing objects at passing cars. What I wanted to highlight is the absolute pathetic response of the local gardai. The community garda has been abysmal in responding to requests for help from our neighbourhood watch group. I was told that these kids are, I kid you not, "growing up and trying new things" and also that there may be "difficulty at home" causing this. Also they "feel hard done by because they can't afford the latest iPhone", so they go out and steal one instead. Meanwhile there seems to be a mugging incident every few days and nothing is being done. My fear is that residents will take matters in their own hands and if there is an incident the whole thing will boil over.

Larbre34 · 28-01-2015 2:07pm

Arciphel wrote: »

My fear is that residents will take matters in their own hands and if there is an incident the whole thing will boil over.

If my partner / kids etc were under threat I know what Id be doing, but however, perhaps try the local Councillor members of the joint policing committee, they would see the local Superintendent fairly often, highlight the issue and the pathetic response. Also, if you know people who have been victims, make sure every incident is formally reported, the Guards hate statistics that stick out like a sore thumb....

RobYourBuilder · 28-01-2015 2:29pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Case is being deliberated;

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/jury-begins-deliberating-in-attempted-murder-trial-1.2081625

Not guilty by reason of insanity. I'll add a link when one becomes available.

RobYourBuilder · 28-01-2015 2:32pm

Also they "feel hard done by because they can't afford the latest iPhone", so they go out and steal one instead

The Garda community liason officer actually said that? You should have told him or her that perhaps they should find part time employment, mow lawns or wash cars and save up for the latest gadgets instead of robbing them.

wildlifeboy · 28-01-2015 2:45pm

"a gang of black teenagers" Whats that got to do with what theyre doing. pure rascist comment.

Arciphel · 28-01-2015 2:48pm

wildlifeboy wrote: »

"a gang of black teenagers" Whats that got to do with what theyre doing. pure rascist comment.

That's right, I'm a pure racist, shur the wife is always asking me where all the pillowcases are disappearing to!

January · 28-01-2015 3:18pm

wildlifeboy wrote: »

"a gang of black teenagers" Whats that got to do with what theyre doing. pure rascist comment.

Nothing racist about saying what colour skin someone has. It's a useful tool for identifying people.

chucknorris · 28-01-2015 3:24pm

They could be the same group who are robbing the delivery people of their takeaway orders (and not money).

The fact that someone is black, white green or blue is not racist, but just a statement of fact if indeed the group is black. If it was a group of red heads with leather jackets and dock martins, that's what you would describe to help others know what to look for.

Look, there is a group of black lads causing a lot of hassle up there between the divide of Cloneee and Hunstown and the guards are fully aware of it. I'm sure there are groups of white lads up to no good too, but this group is pushing the boat out in what they are up to.

Playing the race card when someone describes black lads has been a fairly major reason for people keeping their mouth shut for fear of ridicule by the P.R brigade.

Hopefully in time they'll realise that if they want to take out a girl or get somethings in life, they'll need to work to get a few bob in their back pocket. that applies to all young lads.

Pat Dunne · 28-01-2015 3:41pm

Just came across the following article
http://www.independent.ie/news/drug-man-regrets-using-councillor-letter-in-court-30909706.html

wildlifeboy · 28-01-2015 4:05pm

January wrote: »

Nothing racist about saying what colour skin someone has. It's a useful tool for identifying people.

Ok hooked me a few boards fish. I totally agree with describing them as such. its only gonna get worse by the way. I reckon they should be thought a lesson....here comes a ban.....

chucknorris · 28-01-2015 4:09pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Just came across the following article
http://www.independent.ie/news/drug-man-regrets-using-councillor-letter-in-court-30909706.html

Did you really only come across that? Fair play, its two weeks old and after I mentioned Taxi screening. HHHMMM:cool:

As a case in note that fella is 30 years old and last offended prior to that incident when he was 22. I wish I was 22 again myself.

He is legally allowed apply for a PSV license as he is 8 years conviction free. He has actually done a lot of good work in recent years and had a tougher upbringing than most. He lost three brothers in the last 20 years.

On the point of using a work reference in court, well that's unfortunate.

PS: The 5 year conviction free background check is important for PSV applicants. Everyone deserves a chance and having kids changes people sometimes for the better.

Gaspode · 28-01-2015 4:23pm

Is the Hailo app and background checks on it really relevant on this thread?

chucknorris · 28-01-2015 4:26pm

Gaspode wrote: »

Is the Hailo app and background checks on it really relevant on this thread?

Only in the context of the driver in the article from yesterday. I think someone asked how he managed to be a driver. A lot of people wouldn't know the criteria.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 28-01-2015 4:26pm

Gaspode wrote: »

Is the Hailo app and background checks on it really relevant on this thread?

Very little in this thread is relevant to this thread.

Larbre34 · 28-01-2015 5:20pm

wildlifeboy wrote: »

Ok hooked me a few boards fish. I totally agree with describing them as such. its only gonna get worse by the way. I reckon they should be thought a lesson....here comes a ban.....

You: Garda, Ive had my car vandalised and I saw the culprit

Garda: Ok, can you give me a description?

You: Lad, about 17, 5'10, black cap, black jacket, grey trackies, white runners.

Garda: Ok, that describes about 500 lads in this here area, anything else to distinguish them at all?

You: No.

Garda: We'll be in touch........

The notion that someone has to bend themselves in knots like a Little Britain sketch or Ron Burgundy with tourettes to avoid describing someones race directly lest they be accused of racism is totally and utterly nonsensical and I weep for the world we live in if its true.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 28-01-2015 5:28pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

You: Garda, Ive had my car vandalised and I saw the culprit

Garda: Ok, can you give me a description?

You: Lad, about 17, 5'10, black cap, black jacket, grey trackies, white runners.

Garda: Ok, that describes about 500 lads in this here area, anything else to distinguish them at all?

You: No.

Garda: We'll be in touch........

The notion that someone has to bend themselves in knots like a Little Britain sketch or Ron Burgundy with tourettes to avoid describing someones race directly lest they be accused of racism is totally and utterly nonsensical and I weep for the world we live in if its true.

If you're actually trying to describe a person or group of people for a specific reason then by all means mention their skin colour. However the point of that post was apparently to highlight how poor the response from the Guards has been so there was no need to go into any description of the group really. Also, if you are going to describe them maybe give more than their skin colour because, much like your point above, just saying they're black identifies a rather large percentage of the local population.

chucknorris · 29-01-2015 9:01am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

If you're actually trying to describe a person or group of people for a specific reason then by all means mention their skin colour. However the point of that post was apparently to highlight how poor the response from the Guards has been so there was no need to go into any description of the group really. Also, if you are going to describe them maybe give more than their skin colour because, much like your point above, just saying they're black identifies a rather large percentage of the local population.

The group of black lads between 17 and 20 who reside at 'The gap' of Huntstown and Clonee is a very specific group of lads. Infamous would be my way of describing them.

It is what it is.

Larbre34 · 29-01-2015 12:08pm

About how many are in the gang?

MrMorooka · 29-01-2015 1:45pm

Crap, was planning on moving into the area and would probably use the gap to get to and from the 39a. Always thought the gap was a bit dodgy, but didn't realise there was petty crime going on there now. Is this a constant thing every night, from about what time?

If the worse comes to the worst, can always further down Huntstown Wood and cut across the green to avoid the chokepoint

Arciphel · 29-01-2015 2:40pm

Its far from a constant thing, if you are male and are going past there before like 9-10 o'clock at night I would say you won't see any hassle. That's just based on my own experiences though.

MrMorooka · 29-01-2015 3:04pm

Fair enough. I would generaly be coming home from work through that area anywhere around 7-9pm. I used to be a teenager in the area myself, and occasionally hung around the gap, so I'm not too worried.

Shocking to hear the poor Garda response though.

chucknorris · 29-01-2015 3:37pm

I wouldn't be worried be worried about passing through the gap, it's simply a case of the gap being used as a general area where lads find convenience. I don't think anyone is saying its a ghetto area used for loitering.

MrMorooka · 30-01-2015 12:20pm

Apparently some stuff happened in Allendale estate last night. Some kind of grey van driving around, people trying car and house doors.

Larbre34 · 30-01-2015 5:40pm

MrMorooka wrote: »

Apparently some stuff happened in Allendale estate last night. Some kind of grey van driving around, people trying car and house doors.

Any time period on that?

MrMorooka · 30-01-2015 5:46pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Any time period on that?

Afraid not, someone in my family is part of a FB group for residents and mentioned it to me in passing, don't have more details than it just happened after midnight.

Godge · 31-01-2015 1:52am

chucknorris wrote: »

Did you really only come across that? Fair play, its two weeks old and after I mentioned Taxi screening. HHHMMM:cool:

As a case in note that fella is 30 years old and last offended prior to that incident when he was 22. I wish I was 22 again myself.

He is legally allowed apply for a PSV license as he is 8 years conviction free. He has actually done a lot of good work in recent years and had a tougher upbringing than most. He lost three brothers in the last 20 years.

On the point of using a work reference in court, well that's unfortunate.

PS: The 5 year conviction free background check is important for PSV applicants. Everyone deserves a chance and having kids changes people sometimes for the better.

Very poor judgment from Councillor McGuinness.

The guy was convicted on drug offences in 2007, caught in possession again in 2014, working with youths in the interim, not good at all.

January · 31-01-2015 12:06pm

Godge wrote: »

Very poor judgment from Councillor McGuinness.

The guy was convicted on drug offences in 2007, caught in possession again in 2014, working with youths in the interim, not good at all.

chucknorris is not Councillor McGuinness.

chucknorris · 31-01-2015 5:30pm

Godge wrote: »

Very poor judgment from Councillor McGuinness.

The guy was convicted on drug offenses in 2007, caught in possession again in 2014, working with youths in the interim, not good at all.

It's true, I'm not the councillor and one major assumption you make is that all of what was reported in the paper after the court appearance was known before a reference was given for a PSV application. IT WASN'T. It was only known as a result of the subsequent article by all concerned.

Don't forget, the spirit of a reference and the use of it is meant with the best intention for working purposes.

As far as I see it, a councillor tried to help someone in the constituency in gaining employment and did so in good faith. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Godge · 01-02-2015 1:42am

January wrote: »

chucknorris is not Councillor McGuinness.

I never said he was.

chucknorris wrote: »

It's true, I'm not the councillor and one major assumption you make is that all of what was reported in the paper after the court appearance was known before a reference was given for a PSV application. IT WASN'T. It was only known as a result of the subsequent article by all concerned.

Don't forget, the spirit of a reference and the use of it is meant with the best intention for working purposes.

As far as I see it, a councillor tried to help someone in the constituency in gaining employment and did so in good faith. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Councillors looking for Dail seats hand out references for anybody and everybody, have seen it countless times when recruiting staff for companies. That is what they do, not surprised to see one caught out, hopefully he will learn and be more discerning in future.

Never pay a bit of attention to a councillors reference and it sometimes sets me wondering why the applicant couldn't get a reference off someone else. Unfotunately, not all people who work in recruitment are so careful.

Finally, if the job was for working with teenagers, would you be happy that a recently convicted drug abuser was working with them?
Or if the conviction was for sexual assault, and they ended up driving a taxi?

The Councillor needs to be more careful.

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-02-2015 11:05pm

wildlifeboy wrote: »

"a gang of black teenagers" Whats that got to do with what theyre doing. pure rascist comment.

I can't say what I want so very very very very very very very very badly to say.

Sorry if that scars you btw.

If someone, not you of course, was trolling then that person may have earned 1 troll point.

Gaspode · 04-02-2015 12:31pm

OK guys enough with the off-topic nonsense. If you've nothing useful to say, say nothing.

Arciphel · 04-02-2015 12:49pm

Just to get back on topic, I have heard there are some guys going around the estates in D15 in the evening from an alarm company selling monitored alarm products. One of my neighbours was concerned - as they were asking to come into the house and check her alarm panel, to see if it was compatible with their equipment.

Now, in this case it turns out that the guys are legitimate and there was nothing to fear (aside from maybe a bit of aggressive salesmanship:cool:), however please be aware if somebody turns up on your doorstep asking to come into your home and see your alarm panel I would be very wary about letting them (or anyone selling door to door) into your house.

Arciphel · 04-02-2015 10:55pm

Another incident in Littlepace today, a lady was mugged on her own doorstep this time at 6pm in the evening. The assailants punched her in the face and stole her handbag before running off. I won't describe the assumed ethnic background or skin tone of the assailants lest I offend. Be careful out there and report everything to the guards, no matter how trivial it may seem.

chucknorris · 04-02-2015 11:18pm

Arciphel wrote: »

Another incident in Littlepace today, a lady was mugged on her own doorstep this time at 6pm in the evening. The assailants punched her in the face and stole her handbag before running off. I won't describe the assumed ethnic background or skin tone of the assailants lest I offend. Be careful out there and report everything to the guards, no matter how trivial it may seem.

A mate if mine lives a few doors down from her. Its the same lads from the gap and precisely the same lads who have been robbing delivery men of their food orders. Categorically.

Arciphel · 04-02-2015 11:46pm

PM sent Chuck

Larbre34 · 05-02-2015 11:17am

How many are in this 'gang' approximately?

Arciphel · 05-02-2015 11:54am

Well the incidents in our estate it seems to be 2-3 youths at a time, but in one case I heard there was a much larger group of up to 20.

Nolimits · 05-02-2015 11:35pm

It was a few days ago now, Saturday I think. About 11pm I was making a bowl of cereal (I live an exciting life) and there was a knock at the door. I thought this was a bit strange, so as I was walking towards the door I looked out the glass beside the door, we have a security light so there was light outside. It's not proper glass but you can make out quite a bit looking through it. It was a young male, I'd say late teens early 20's at a push. As soon as he saw me he said "sorry mate, wrong house". I went back inside and continued pouring the milk and it occurred to me that maybe I should have a look to see where he was going. I went upstairs and went into the spare room and looked out the window, could't see any sign of him. I talked to neighbours both sides and no one had any visitors that night. Seemed quite suspicious to me.

Edit: Live in Briarwood.

Arciphel · 06-02-2015 6:00pm

There was an attempted car jacking at 8am this morning in Barnwell just off the Ongar Road.

jelenka · 06-02-2015 6:16pm

Today we had 2 lads walking around our estate around 3pm knocking on doors looking for "polish people" . Asked my husband if he is polish , when told he is not , they asked if any polish people live in the area . Told them that even if he knew he wouldn't say, unless they were garda , they walked away really fast then .This was in Collegefort/Collegewood estate in Castleknock .

daymobrew · 07-02-2015 9:56am

jelenka wrote: »

Today we had 2 lads walking around our estate around 3pm knocking on doors looking for "polish people" . Asked my husband if he is polish , when told he is not , they asked if any polish people live in the area . Told them that even if he knew he wouldn't say, unless they were garda , they walked away really fast then .This was in Collegefort/Collegewood estate in Castleknock .

Over a year ago 2 women called to the door (Riverwood, Carpenterstown) asking the same question. It wasn't the first time either. I should have reported them, or at least give that good response.

Trademark · 07-02-2015 11:52am

= give that good response.

Polish people? Yeah there's loads around here, there was a huge party on the green/a few doors up the road there for one of their 30th's last weekend. Drinking all day and most the night, plenty of digging matches and a few knives produced to calm it down. Have it all on the camera above the window there watching us now, gimme your email and I'll upload it on dropbox if ya wanna have a look at it.

Good mates with a couple of them that are working up in Kepak, pure sound lads, savage craic and mad as scones, but if you need a man who knows how to slice a carcass into decent cuts, call back and I'll hook ya up if I get a few decent cuts out of it.

Wait... no, why are you running?? I thought we were freieeeeeends!!!

Gaspode · 07-02-2015 1:25pm

@Trademark - I've no idea what you're banging on about there, but this is not a general chat thread, try to keep on topic please.

peaceboi · 07-02-2015 5:02pm

Ours & neighbour's green wheelie bins got stolen last weekend. We used to keep them bins outside the house for last 4 years. The other black & brown bins were untouched. Tyrrelstown, D15.

Trademark · 07-02-2015 5:17pm

@Gaspode I'm inferring if there's people knocking on doors in a locality where there's a general uneasiness about non-local's/non-familiars from the estate/road/area, coupled with the recent spate of burglaries which seem to be quite frequent in Dublin 15 and the general crime talk in the D15 area, this thread being 100+ pages long as an example, then I think if a randomer or couple of randomers knock on someones door, it wouldn't hurt for the door answerer to have a little spiel so to speak, to make the inquirer believe that the area was either safe to the householder due to friendships with locals, or dangerous to outsiders due to similar kinships with local folk, such as the kinship between a zebra mating with a donkey resulting in a zonkey.

@Gaspode remove the parts after the last comma if you wish, I was just seeing could I get the whole alphabet in 1 long sentence. Seriously, google a zonkey, the zebra/donkey hybrid, cutest thing ever! Then google a shaved bear, scariest thing ever. Now this paragraph is gone off-thread, above one isn't. But you're still dying to know what a shaved bear looks like! :pac:

Gaspode · 07-02-2015 5:45pm

Enough rubbish already, it's not needed or wanted here

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