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Dublin school cancels workshop on homophobic bullying, saying “both sides should be r

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  • #32
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Riskymove wrote: »
    and creationism taught in science class!!

    Alongside FSM, no problem.

    Ramen, brother.


  • #33
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    eviltwin wrote: »
    What argument could there be? Who would represent the other side?
    Homophobes.


  • #34
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    K4t wrote: »
    Homophobes.

    They wouldn't do.

    They'd have to be homophobes who are pro-bullying LGBT kids, and not all of them are.

    And presumably they'd have to be Irish-speaking as well.


  • #35
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    No. 1 One Direction Fan wrote: »
    Bear in mind this isn't a debate, it's an anti-bullying workshop. There's no need for "another side".
    It became a debate as soon as the focus of the workshop was homophobic bullying instead of simply bullying.


  • #36
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    An anti-racism workshop has been cancelled because "both sides should be represented".

    Take in how utterly ludicrous that sentence sounded and ask why the hell homophobia should be treated any differently.

    This country is ridiculous.

    Why does everyone seem to be picking up "the other side" as the bullies? Presumably what the school meant is that it should be a workshop teaching that it's not okay to bully anyone.

    If the quoted analogy were instead about a workshop for preventing "racism against black people", people might see the issue?


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  • #37
    hotmail.com
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Why does everyone seem to be picking up "the other side" as the bullies? Presumably what the school meant is that it should be a workshop teaching that it's not okay to bully anyone.

    If the quoted analogy were instead about a workshop for preventing "racism against black people", people might see the issue?

    The school hasn't clarified what they meant when asked which is a bad sign.


  • #38
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Is it just me or are peoples sarcasm detectors breaking down at a much higher rate lately?

    From what I've heard, Gaelscoils are more conservative-minded than non-Gaelscoils. Maybe it's some de Valeraesque fantasy of a Gaelic, Catholic Ireland at play here.


  • #39
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The school hasn't clarified what they meant when asked which is a bad sign.

    Maybe they didn't expect people to jump to such a stupid interpretation of their argument..


  • #40
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,584 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Maybe they didn't expect people to jump to such a stupid interpretation of their argument..

    I think their response was stupid.


  • #41
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The school hasn't clarified what they meant when asked which is a bad sign.

    They'll be crafting a statement as we speak.

    It will be all down to a "misunderstanding" and stress that they have a deep commitment to anti-bullying of any kind.

    But an explanation would be nice.


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  • #42
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Funnily enough, this situation reminds me of a homophobic Boardsie who claimed anti-homophobic bullying campaigns were threatening religious freedom. :rolleyes:


  • #43
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    They wouldn't do.

    They'd have to be homophobes who are pro-bullying LGBT kids, and not all of them are.
    Not if they reject the view that there is such a thing as homophobic bullying, but rather only bullying, and feel the workshop is unfairly targeting homophobia.


  • #44
    Jogathon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jogathon


    I really would think that there should be a workshop against bullying, and have parts of the day showing all different types of bullying. I would definitely give the school a chance to explain before jumping onto the outraged wagon.

    Also, sometimes in these workshops things are said/done which can be inappropriate in a school setting. I know in my school we have said thank you to certain shows and events and never booked them again. Maybe, just maybe, the teachers felt that it wasn't the best workshop and to save their money and try something new?


  • #45
    eviltwin
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    Jogathon wrote: »
    I really would think that there should be a workshop against bullying, and have parts of the day showing all different types of bullying. I would definitely give the school a chance to explain before jumping onto the outraged wagon.

    Also, sometimes in these workshops things are said/done which can be inappropriate in a school setting. I know in my school we have said thank you to certain shows and events and never booked them again. Maybe, just maybe, the teachers felt that it wasn't the best workshop and to save their money and try something new?

    Bad form letting the group involved make their way to the school only to be sent away. If they had just decided it wasn't for them they should have had the courtesy to give adequate notice.


  • #46
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Imagine being a gay student at that school thinking about complaining about homophobic bullying. This would make you think twice.


  • #47
    Donkey Oaty
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    K4t wrote: »
    Not if they reject the view that there is such a thing as homophobic bullying, but rather only bullying, and feel the workshop is unfairly targeting homophobia.

    That's the wider side. Not "the other side".

    Maybe the school representative was misquoted, but we can only go on what we have been told so far.


  • #48
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Why does everyone seem to be picking up "the other side" as the bullies? Presumably what the school meant is that it should be a workshop teaching that it's not okay to bully anyone.

    If the quoted analogy were instead about a workshop for preventing "racism against black people", people might see the issue?

    This is Ireland. It's usually safe to assume that this kind of incident is brought on by social conservative moronity being given more legitimacy than it deserves.


  • #49
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    You cannot unfairly target homophobia.


  • #50
    Lyaiera
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    K4t wrote: »
    unfairly targeting homophobia.

    Quoting this because I think it's the greatest phrase I've read since Christmas.


  • #51
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Imagine being s gay student at that school thinking about complaining about homophobic bullying. This would make you think twice.
    Imagine being a ginger student at that school thinking about complaining about ginger bullying. This would make you think twice.


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  • #52
    Undergod
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    K4t wrote: »
    This is what happens when you start inventing titles like "homophobic bullying" instead of simply BULLYING.

    If you want to teach people about homophobia then fair enough but you can see an argument for both sides being represented, which is what I think is happening here.

    The side in favour of homophobic bullying?


    right so


  • #53
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    K4t wrote: »
    Imagine being a ginger student at that school thinking about complaining about ginger bullying. This would make you think twice.

    It's a Gaelscoil - aren't they all ginger?


  • #54
    spurious
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Imagine being s gay student at that school thinking about complaining about homophobic bullying. This would make you think twice.

    Or a gay teacher on staff, where saying anything about it could get you sacked - and legally, thanks to our equality legislation.


  • #55
    gandalf
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    So who is it that need to be represented? The bullies or the homophobes?

    TBH it stinks of a certain Institute sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong. The sooner we marginalise these bigots further the better. They have far too much input into various spheres of influence in our society.

    The schools management should be absolutely ashamed of themselves in cancelling a talk that has been given on two previous years there at such short notice. It's going to be interesting to find out who is behind this or who they get to represent the "other side" or to even get them to explain what the "other side" is?


  • #56
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You cannot unfairly target homophobia.
    Tell that to the victims of homophobia bullying.


  • #57
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    spurious wrote: »
    Or a gay teacher on staff, where saying anything about it could get you sacked - and legally, thanks to our equality legislation.

    I had no idea that was the case. It's amazing that being born a certain way makes you a legal target for hate.


  • #58
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    K4t wrote: »
    Tell that to the victims of homophobia bullying.

    No I'd rather not talk to them to be honest.


  • #59
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I had no idea that was the case. It's amazing that being born a certain way makes you a legal target for hate.

    The glorious Section 37.1 which we've been promised for years will be done away with, but nothing yet.


  • #60
    Generic Dreadhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    K4t wrote: »
    Tell that to the victims of homophobia bullying.

    Do you even know what Homophobia means? :confused:


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  • #61
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Cormac... wrote: »
    Do you even know what Homophobia means? :confused:
    Yes. And I hate it.


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