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Do you go to Mass regularly?

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  • #102
    mongdesade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 330 ✭✭mongdesade


    No...but I attend mosque every Friday ;)


  • #103
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    I like 84% of the population attend mass every week where I expect it to be as gaeilge to suit the 1.7 million of us fluent Irish speakers.


  • #104
    Acacia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    bbam wrote: »
    Like I said, we don't believe in all the popes teachings.
    I'm more than happy to pick and choose from what they teach.

    I'm genuinely curious here... I'm assuming you don't subscibe the Pope's hateful ramblings about gays, why are you ''more than happy'' to allow yourself to be counted among his flock (by attending Mass), thus allowing the organisation that spreads such hate to say they have more power/influence in this country than they actually do?


  • #105
    mightdomighty
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭mightdomighty


    bbam wrote: »
    You can bring your children AND teach them independent thinking at the same time.

    Totally Agree
    bbam wrote: »
    If nothing else religion teaches a good moral compass for children which can only be a good thing.

    I don't believe you can credit religion with teaching a good moral compass. Religion acquired this and boasts it as it's own and takes credit for it.

    I have a problem with this, especially the baggage that come with it.


  • #106
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    I go to a evangelical CofE church in London and mid-week talks that happen near my office, I regard it as important to hear God's word, and worship, but also in encouraging others in the Gospel, and vice versa, in order that we might be able to share that truth with those around us.

    Siuin: Personally if I have kids, I would bring them to church as well. Firstly, because if I believe what I do, it is essential that they know about Jesus, secondly because irrespective of what I share with them as they get older they will think about it for themselves, and thirdly do you seriously think that Christians should get a babysitter every time they want to go to church?

    If any child of mine expressed a disinterest in going to church, I would actively discuss with them as to why that was the case and try and help them to resolve issues they might be having with Christianity. That's the right thing to do if I genuinely believe that one needs to accept Jesus to be saved, and if I believe He will return in judgement.


  • #107
    Truley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    Until I left home at eighteen I was forced to go every week and I fought and resented it from day one. When I was younger because it was so boring. From the age of about eight or nine because I started really questioning organised religion and had pretty much made up my mind what was or wasn't for me.

    I didn't have the same fear or sense of duty that kept my parents going to mass and I can still vividly remember feeling extremely angry and almost violated by being forced to sit in a place I didn't want to be, be preached to about something I didn't believe in or agree with and by people I really just did not respect. As a child you go along with lots of things you don't want to do for your parents; school, shopping trips, visiting people, standing in queues etc and I could accept that but in the case of mass I just felt really disrespected that my feelings didn't come into it.

    I know it seems like a trivial thing but at that age you are trying to assert yourself as an independent thinker with their own views and insights and to have it shot down or ignored like that can be so damaging. I see it now with the girl I mind who is nine years old. She just has her first Christmas where she didn't believe in 'Santa' and was very proud of herself telling all the adults around her how she had cottoned on to the fact but instead of accepting or maybe even being impressed with her that she had figured it out most adults' reaction was along the line of 'oh what are you talking about of course there's a Santa, don't be silly, you'll get presents la la la...' In the end I just told her to go along with it when people asked because it was really starting to grate on her. I think that's kind of sad.


  • #108
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    The church, its paedophilic members and it's ignorant/dumb followers can go fück itself. Funerals only.

    You have to be majorly thick to support or believe that shïte in this day and age.

    No need for the profanity laced insults, people are entitled to their faith and that's it. You have your own opinion on the subject which is fine but could you not express yourself in a more dignified tone?


  • #109
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    mightdomighty wrote: »
    Totally Agree



    I don't believe you can credit religion with teaching a good moral compass. Religion acquired this and boasts it as it's own and takes credit for it.

    I have a problem with this, especially the baggage that come with it.

    Sorry your right.
    It supports as we teach good morals to our children


  • #110
    stanley 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭stanley 2


    Acacia wrote: »
    I'm genuinely curious here... I'm assuming you don't subscibe the Pope's hateful ramblings about gays, why are you ''more than happy'' to allow yourself to be counted among his flock (by attending Mass), thus allowing the organisation that spreads such hate to say they have more power/influence in this country than they actually do?


    the truth should not beconfused with hate full ramblings even if it is not PC


  • #111
    BunShopVoyeur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭BunShopVoyeur


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    The church, its paedophilic members and it's ignorant/dumb followers can go fück itself. Funerals only.

    You have to be majorly thick to support or believe that shïte in this day and age.

    No need for the profanity laced insults, people are entitled to their faith and that's it. You have your own opinion on the subject which is fine but could you not express yourself in a more dignified tone?

    Nope. I'll express my opinion how I like thanks.

    I don't believe that I insulted anybody directly (although the delusional religious tend to be rather precious about their cult) and my opinion is as valid as anybody else's.




    Jockey for Mod status/thanks elsewhere.


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  • #112
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    The church, its paedophilic members and it's ignorant/dumb followers can go fück itself. Funerals only.

    You have to be majorly thick to support or believe that shïte in this day and age.


    I'm an atheist, and I find this both curious and offensive.

    Nobody has a right to describe someone elses deeply held beliefs as ignorant and dumb if they harm no one else. Nobody. Why would anyone make the sort of offensive, sweeping, insulting and puzzling generalisation above, about people they don't know, have never met, and have no professed interest in?

    Conversely, nobody has the right to call me ignorant and dumb for my lack of belief.

    Obviously bad people, whether they are pedophile priests, or their apologists, deserve to be prosecuted and punished, and to be reviled even. But to tar the hundreds of millions of decent people who align themselves with a particular belief system with the same brush is ridiculous.

    Even if I have no understanding of their willingness to believe, and even less of their adherence to the 'rules' of the game, they are as surely entitled to be left in peace and believe what they want as I am, as long as nobody is hurt.

    I find the exception for funerals bizarre, to say the least.


  • #113
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    No. Organised Religion is a massive global scam. The catholic church is a disgrace, All the corruption, The long history of Physical, Mental and Sexual abuse. How anyone can still walk into a church and support that evil organisation is beyond me.

    If you want to believe in a God that's fine. Get a bible and read it at home. You can have a person relationship with your Lord, A spirituality

    But don't listen to or give your money to those scumbags in the church.


  • #114
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    Nope. I'll express my opinion how I like thanks.

    I don't believe that I insulted anybody directly (although the delusional religious tend to be rather precious about their cult) and my opinion is as valid as anybody else's.




    Jockey for Mod status/thanks elsewhere.



    Live and let live doesn't just work one way, if you want people to be tolerant, accepting and respectful of non-religious then you have to show the same courtesy to religious people.


  • #115
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    I used to, can't anymore. Wish I had made this decision sooner.
    I am still a Christian but I am questioning my faith everyday due to the goings on of the Catholic church.


  • #116
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    No. No longer a member of the Catholic religion and I'm atheist since I developed critical thinking skills as a child anyway.
    Weddings and funerals are the only reasons for me to enter a church.


  • #117
    desertcircus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    bbam wrote: »
    IvySlayer wrote: »
    What about the part with the gays?

    Like I said, we don't believe in all the popes teachings.
    I'm more than happy to pick and choose from what they teach.

    You give too much credit to the church and too little credit to yourself on this. Taught just by you, your kids would have just as strong a moral compass; taught just by the Church, they'd be significantly worse off.


  • #118
    Acacia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    stanley 2 wrote: »
    the truth should not beconfused with hate full ramblings even if it is not PC

    What 'truth' would that be?


  • #119
    Siuin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Siuin


    What I really do not understand is why so many people here are stating that while they don't agree with the teachings of the pope, they're still forcing their kids to go to mass in a Catholic Church-- if religion is so important to you that you will force your own offspring to attend against their will, then the LEAST you can do is do some intelligent research yourselves and find a religion which actually DOES reflect your own personal beliefs.


  • #120
    cloud493
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    I go every sunday :)


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  • #121
    BunShopVoyeur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭BunShopVoyeur


    Giselle wrote: »
    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    Nope. I'll express my opinion how I like thanks.

    I don't believe that I insulted anybody directly (although the delusional religious tend to be rather precious about their cult) and my opinion is as valid as anybody else's.




    Jockey for Mod status/thanks elsewhere.



    Live and let live doesn't just work one way, if you want people to be tolerant, accepting and respectful of non-religi
    ous then you have to show the same courtesy to religious people.


    I don't believe so.......I genuinely have zero respect for anybody who lives their life adhering to some ridiculous, outdated rulebook.

    If the Catholic church was being bandied about today it would rightfully be met with the same derision that the likes of Scientology is.

    Perhaps my first post was harsh and the language abrasive to some but I'm not about to change how I view the CC because "live and let live".

    The Church over the centuries certainly had no concept of that phrase.


  • #122
    mightdomighty
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭mightdomighty


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    The church, its paedophilic members and it's ignorant/dumb followers can go fück itself. Funerals only.

    You have to be majorly thick to support or believe that shïte in this day and age.

    I'm inclined to agree with what I think you mean. I see some truth in your statement


    Although, to be taken seriously I think you need to work on your delivery


  • #123
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    I don't believe so.......I genuinely have zero respect for anybody who lives their life adhering to some ridiculous, outdated rulebook.

    If the Catholic church was being bandied about today it would rightfully be met with the same derision that the likes of Scientology is.

    Perhaps my first post was harsh and the language abrasive to some but I'm not about to change how I view the CC because "live and let live".

    The Church over the centuries certainly had no concept of that phrase.

    Fair enough, but if you silence dissent or difference by abuse and judgement you run the risk of being guilty of very thing you abhor.


  • #124
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Siuin wrote: »
    What I really do not understand is why so many people here are stating that while they don't agree with the teachings of the pope, they're still forcing their kids to go to mass in a Catholic Church-- if religion is so important to you that you will force your own offspring to attend against their will, then the LEAST you can do is do some intelligent research yourselves and find a religion which actually DOES reflect your own personal beliefs.

    The state needs to remove religion from Schools, The Schools are forcing religion down the thoughts of Irish kids. They entice kids in with the materialistic occasion, communion money, white dresses, parties, hotels etc. A child does not understand what is going on. It's only whey you get older and have a mind of your one that you should choose to be part of a religion or not, or even a different religion


  • #125
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    Sarky wrote: »
    Or maybe I didn't have an issue with the rest. There's no need to jump to conclusions like that. People will think you're prejudiced.

    I suppose then that begs the question why you originally wrote,
    Sarky wrote: »
    So you're just going to spite the prods? Awesome.

    No, you've no issues at all!! :P


  • #126
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    No. Organised Religion is a massive global scam. The catholic church is a disgrace, All the corruption, The long history of Physical, Mental and Sexual abuse. How anyone can still walk into a church and support that evil organisation is beyond me.

    If you want to believe in a God that's fine. Get a bible and read it at home. You can have a person relationship with your Lord, A spirituality

    But don't listen to or give your money to those scumbags in the church.

    Except for the fact that the Bible tells me to be in fellowship with other Christians and to further the Gospel?
    Hebrews 10:24-25 wrote:
    And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

    Church community is an essential part of Christianity.

    I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I believe church is important and I won't have an atheist tell me how I should be Christian, rather I will look to the Bible for that much.


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  • #127
    BunShopVoyeur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭BunShopVoyeur


    I read Jack & the Beanstalk recently.

    I think I'm going to worship the Golden Goose. The Goose created the universe and the giant is the embodiment of all evil in the world........nobodies allowed to criticise me because they are my beliefs.


  • #128
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    You're asking why I took issue with the bit I took issue with while not bothering with the bits I didn't care about? I thought religious people were supposed to be good with circular arguments.

    If I really have to spell it out, your post read like you're clinging harder to your faith because it allows you to feel different from the folks who tried persecuting you for it first, and because of actual belief second. Do you not feel different enough by not throwing petrol bombs or not breaking kneecaps or not writing nasty graffiti or whatever it was that made you feel persecuted in the first place?


  • #129
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    philologos wrote: »
    I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I believe church is important and I won't have an atheist tell me how I should be Christian, rather I will look to the Bible for that much.

    Dublin Red Devil's post was aimed at Roman Catholics so as a non-Catholic your point is moot.
    He wasn't telling you, in whatever religion you hold, how to be a " ...." fill in your religion. You seem to be looking for insult where there was none given.


  • #130
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    philologos wrote: »
    Except for the fact that the Bible tells me to be in fellowship with other Christians and to further the Gospel?


    Church community is an essential part of Christianity.

    I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I believe church is important and I won't have an atheist tell me how I should be Christian, rather I will look to the Bible for that much.
    Then meet other Christians. Have a club meeting, But once you involve money and hierarchy into a club, it become corrupt and ignores the core values of what formed the club in the 1st place. Human greed turns something spiritual into something evil and discusting,

    That's why organised religion is wrong, Believing in God is spiritual thing. Its your faith, your personal belief.


  • #131
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    I read Jack & the Beanstalk recently.

    I think I'm going to worship the Golden Goose. The Goose created the universe and the giant is the embodiment of all evil in the world........nobodies allowed to criticise me because they are my beliefs.

    I think religion and belief should not have any special privileges in society that means it should have immunity from criticism or ridicule as some religious people seem to think should be the case.

    However I would not ridicule people for whatever beliefs they have. If religious people try the tack of conflating the two by saying that they're inextricably linked, and state that by criticising their beliefs then I by extension criticise or mock them as individuals (a few religious people have tried that with me when in discussion about religion) then that's their problem. I just make it clear I bear them no ill will and they can believe whatever fairy stories they like as long as it doesn't impinge on me.


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  • #132
    Irish_Elect_Eng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Irish_Elect_Eng


    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    Then meet other Christians. Have a club meeting, But once you involve money and hierarchy into a club, it become corrupt and ignores the core values of what formed the club in the 1st place. Human greed turns something spiritual into something evil and discusting,
    .

    Could not agree more! Any sport goes professional and has an organisational structure, it certainly "becomes corrupt and ignores the core values of what formed the club", just look at Man United

    :-)


  • #133
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    No. Organised Religion is a massive global scam. The catholic church is a disgrace, All the corruption, The long history of Physical, Mental and Sexual abuse. How anyone can still walk into a church and support that evil organisation is beyond me.

    If you want to believe in a God that's fine. Get a bible and read it at home. You can have a person relationship with your Lord, A spirituality

    But don't listen to or give your money to those scumbags in the church.
    I would agree with a lot of what you say, early Christians gathered in the upper rooms of private homes and studied the word before religious cults such as the Catholic Church took over.

    The "Church" in the true Biblical sense is the body of believers who have a personal relationship in Christ through his word.


  • #134
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Yes you're right and then someone came along and had an Idea of how he could make money off this Christianity thing. And the greed of man took over and corruption set in. hierarchy formed, Money changed hands and here we are today


  • #135
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    Sarky wrote: »
    You're asking why I took issue with the bit I took issue with while not bothering with the bits I didn't care about?

    Because you reached a conclusion on me based solely on the piece you had a problem with - end of.


  • #136
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »
    Could not agree more! Any sport goes professional and has an organisational structure, it certainly "becomes corrupt and ignores the core values of what formed the club", just look at Man United

    :-)
    :Pyou must be a Liverpool fan or just an ABU


  • #137
    Lisa Broad Pension
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Lisa Broad Pension


    not a christian so no


  • #138
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    philologos wrote: »
    Except for the fact that the Bible tells me to be in fellowship with other Christians and to further the Gospel?

    I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I believe church is important and I won't have an atheist tell me how I should be Christian, rather I will look to the Bible for that much.

    Do you just skip over the parts about stoning gays to death, selling slaves, and that eating lobster is an abomination?


  • #139
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    bluewolf wrote: »
    not a christian so no

    Just curious-are you a member of another religion, or none? no problem if you'd rather not say, just asking :)


  • #140
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

    Because you reached a conclusion on me based solely on the piece you had a problem with - end of.

    No, the rest of what you wrote was pretty informative too. Just not directly relevant. Try to stop feeling so persecuted, and just choose your words more carefully next time so you don't come across as... well, sectarian.


  • #141
    OneArt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    Nah I just wear black, light candles and incense and chant in Latin.

    I guess pagans and Catholics aren't that different...


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  • #142
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    Sarky wrote: »
    No, the rest of what you wrote was pretty informative too. Just not directly relevant. Try to stop feeling so persecuted, and just choose your words more carefully next time so you don't come across as... well, sectarian.

    Classic!! :pac:


  • #143
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Siuin wrote: »
    What I really do not understand is why so many people here are stating that while they don't agree with the teachings of the pope, they're still forcing their kids to go to mass in a Catholic Church-- if religion is so important to you that you will force your own offspring to attend against their will, then the LEAST you can do is do some intelligent research yourselves and find a religion which actually DOES reflect your own personal beliefs.

    It's more of a tribal/sectarian thing to be honest. Most people in Ireland who believe in the Abrahamic God would have beliefs far closer to Protestantism than Roman Catholicism. On the other hand, Protestantism is a dirty word in this country so people still label themselves Catholic.

    The weirdest thing is, they'll even stretch the definition of Catholic so far that it becomes meaningless. For example, you'll find people who are pro abortion, pro pre-marital sex, pro birth control, pro divorce and anti-pope who still consider themselves Catholic. I've even seen gays in this very forum convinced that they were Catholic. The mind boggles.


  • #144
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Do you just skip over the parts about stoning gays to death, selling slaves, and that eating lobster is an abomination?

    I wonder if this one is observed:

    Deuteronomy 22:11

    "You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together.

    The abomination of mixed fibres!

    Have you read "Why can't I own a Canadian"? :D one of the funniest things I've ever read, and illustrates how ridiculous and hypocritical some Christians can be condemning certain things because their bible says so (or they think their bible tells them to) while ignoring those passages that don't suit them.


  • #145
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    As much as I despise religion, the bible, the pope I get stumped when people say: It's MY religion, it works for ME!


  • #146
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Greentopia wrote: »
    I wonder if this one is observed:

    Deuteronomy 22:11

    "You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together.

    The abomination of mixed fibres!

    Yeah, whenever I see people waving bible quotes about hating gays I wish I was there to remind them in the exact same book it condones slavery and says eating certain seafood is a sin punishable by death.


  • #147
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Do you just skip over the parts about stoning gays to death, selling slaves, and that eating lobster is an abomination?

    No I don't.

    Firstly, sin warrants the death penalty (Romans 1), but Jesus on our behalf took that away by His death on the cross. If Jesus has died for me, I can't expect the death penalty from anyone else in the light of that.

    Secondly, Jesus fulfilled the dietary laws in Mark 7.

    Thirdly, what I think about slavery can be found on this thread. It's too lengthy to discuss in a brief manner.

    Christians read the Bible as a whole, and the New Testament influences how we see the old. Again entirely Biblical (2 Corinthians 3).
    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    Then meet other Christians. Have a club meeting, But once you involve money and hierarchy into a club, it become corrupt and ignores the core values of what formed the club in the 1st place. Human greed turns something spiritual into something evil and discusting,

    That's why organised religion is wrong, Believing in God is spiritual thing. Its your faith, your personal belief.

    That is still the organised meeting of Christians. A club meeting about Christ, and worshipping Him and so on is still church just under a different guise. I don't think it is immoral to go to church and support my brothers and sisters in Christ, and grow in my faith there.

    My policy is if a church stops being about the core values - I go elsewhere.


  • #148
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    supernova84 wrote: »
    I used to when I was a pup but now it's only once a year at Xmas. I find it all rather boring if I'm honest. Do you be going regularly?

    I don't go at all, ever. Waste of time.


  • #149
    xsiborg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭xsiborg


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Greentopia wrote: »
    I wonder if this one is observed:

    Deuteronomy 22:11

    "You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together.

    The abomination of mixed fibres!

    Yeah, whenever I see people waving bible quotes about hating gays I wish I was there to remind them in the exact same book it condones slavery and says eating certain seafood is a sin punishable by death.

    you should just tell them to turn the other cheeks! :p


  • #150
    Taco Corp
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    philologos wrote: »
    I go to a evangelical CofE church in London and mid-week talks that happen near my office, I regard it as important to hear God's word, and worship, but also in encouraging others in the Gospel, and vice versa, in order that we might be able to share that truth with those around us.

    Siuin: Personally if I have kids, I would bring them to church as well. Firstly, because if I believe what I do, it is essential that they know about Jesus, secondly because irrespective of what I share with them as they get older they will think about it for themselves, and thirdly do you seriously think that Christians should get a babysitter every time they want to go to church?

    If any child of mine expressed a disinterest in going to church, I would actively discuss with them as to why that was the case and try and help them to resolve issues they might be having with Christianity. That's the right thing to do if I genuinely believe that one needs to accept Jesus to be saved, and if I believe He will return in judgement.

    Please excuse my ignorance but, saved from what?


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    Siuin wrote: »
    That actually pisses me off that you would force someone until the age of 16 to attend something simply because it fits in with your own personal ideals. When they're old enough to articulate that they don't wish to be there, they're old enough to not be forced to go. I don't see what you think you're achieving by forcing them- if anything it'll simply make them more bitter towards the Catholic Church.

    I say this as someone who attends services twice a week-- if my child ever said they would rather not go, I would not in a million years tell them otherwise. Faith is a wholly personal matter.

    I'd say let him/her go on with it. There's no better way to ensure that the kids will grow up hating to go to church.


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