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Have u even been reading the posts on here at all? Most of them have been highly critical of sars and cork club senior hurling in general. Most, myself included would have given them a very slight chance of winning against Kilmallock or any of the remaining munster teams for that matter. What right did they have, considering their atrocious munster record? Arrogance my arse.Go away out of that u troll!
I don't know, didn't have to go back too far to find these quotes:
'Two dreadful poo teams this like I said Is dour struggle who are limited even in small pitch are poo'
'If cractlloe or Thurles Sarsfields get them Thurles in Thurles blow either team out the gap if dry day'
'They should win this as Kilmarnock awful full back line may conceded more goals but at same time there struggling against a poor Kilmallock could even loose it leahy having a nightmare under any high ball at full back'
'Only way they loose to Kilmallock is if their tired from the football.'
'What Kilmallock lad's bar o brien, o mahony, ghraham mulchay already there are good enough for intercounty?? None, sorry now none.'
'Will some one for the love of god please call it as it was, yesterday, it was made for sarsfields, Kilmallock are average, ask limerick boys even,and its a disaster they lost.
I hop Cratloe destroy them as blow out'
'This was a poor poor standard of hurling yesterday tbh.'0 -
I don't know, didn't have to go back too far to find these quotes:
'Two dreadful poo teams this like I said Is dour struggle who are limited even in small pitch are poo'
'If cractlloe or Thurles Sarsfields get them Thurles in Thurles blow either team out the gap if dry day'
'They should win this as Kilmarnock awful full back line may conceded more goals but at same time there struggling against a poor Kilmallock could even loose it leahy having a nightmare under any high ball at full back'
'Only way they loose to Kilmallock is if their tired from the football.'
'What Kilmallock lad's bar o brien, o mahony, ghraham mulchay already there are good enough for intercounty?? None, sorry now none.'
'Will some one for the love of god please call it as it was, yesterday, it was made for sarsfields, Kilmallock are average, ask limerick boys even,and its a disaster they lost.
I hop Cratloe destroy them as blow out'
'This was a poor poor standard of hurling yesterday tbh.'
And your point? Those quotes are saying both teams weren't great. Where's the arrogance saying sars had the 'right' to win that match?0 -
I don't want to get into a 'thing' here but the reaction that cork club hurling must be so poor because sarsfields came down to kilmallock and were beaten after extra time is a indication of arrogance surely? They did beat the reigning munster champs after all so are by no means a bad team...And your point? Those quotes are saying both teams weren't great. Where's the arrogance saying sars had the 'right' to win that match?0 -
It doesn't matter who Sars were playing. They are an average team playing in a mediocre senior club championship. You seem to have taken umbrage somehow by seeing cork people saying this and got from it that Kilmallock didn't have to be that great to beat them? I dunno there seems to more than a small bit of an inferiority complex going on with u and more than a small chip on your shoulder. I've zero connection with sars and would much preferred had douglas or someone been representing cork in munster but so be it.
Look best of luck to Kilmallock. Huge respect to em for beating 2 big teams but I wouldn't be getting too carried away either.0 -
Would you mind elaborating on that point Mountainlad? Just curious to get you point of view is all.
I would say we look to be plummeting big time in the Senior ranks. In 2011 we made the all Ireland semi final, each year since we've been knocked out one round sooner (all we beat this year was Laois so I'm saying the same, it's certainly.a regression).
Cork on the other hand having been badly beaten by Galway if memory serves me right in 2011, have made the semi final in every year since and won Munster this year for the first time in 8 years, having been close to an all Ireland last year. That is no mean feat, Munster is a bear pit these days.
Tipp was a nightmare performance (appropriate use of the word) but there was more factors at play there than simply bemoaning the lack of underage or club success. Two key factors to me would be the fact that nearly everyone on that team had never had Senior success before, and I doubt they came in to the Semi final with the same burning desire frame of mind that Tipp would have had (lest we forget, they themselves were hammered by Kilkenny in an all Ireland semi just two short years after and u21 and senior double. This year, they were within the with of the post of beating them)
Take the minors then, and in the last two years Cork have been narrowly beaten by the all Ireland and Munster champions (who I thought myself would win an all Ireland). It reminds me of 2010 when Tipp won the U21 all Ireland. The hardest game they had was against Cork when I believe Seamus Hennessy goaled a 21 to take it to extra time.
I think 7 of that Tipp team played some part in the Senior final. Where's the acknowledgement that that was a strong Cork team? In a knockout sport, you can be narrowly on the wrong side of the result several years in a row and still not be far off.
From my perspective, it seems Cork hurling is getting a lot of positive news already for 2015. Cahalane and Walsh commiting to hurling, and if they can get O'Callaghan in that would be another boost.
I don't doubt there are some problems to how Cork underage teams have been managed, but it's not an easy one to get right given the sheer volume of players there.
My point would be largely that I see Cork as contenders in Senior hurling, and that is the most important thing to me as a supporter. That and the success of my club in hurling and football. Everything else including the success of underage teams is secondary, though obviously I'd like to see all Waterford teams do well. And so I found it difficult to understand the serious downbeat reaction to Sars narrow loss0 -
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I don't want to get into a 'thing' here but the reaction that cork club hurling must be so poor because sarsfields came down to kilmallock and were beaten after extra time is a indication of arrogance surely? They did beat the reigning munster champs after all so are by no means a bad team...
Yourself and another poster are spot on.
It's easy to sit on your hole and be critical of everyone. Those boys from sarfield went out and did their best and nearly won, when we weren't expecting much from them. Well done to all involved, amateurs giving their all. Neither club may not be great, but what club is? When did KK club win this competition last for instance?0 -
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/footballers-face-battle-to-cope-with-toll-of-losses-30734432.html
Larry interview regards cork
Mountain lad it was no jab at Waterford you know me two well now I call a spade spade.genuinely wasn't a jab at Waterford.
There has been no one can deny perception in Waterford down years accepting second best and going best and going with moral victories, that's the way it was.
It wasn't meant to offend genuinely I respect your posts but my point is and I don't give a monkeys to be honest if this comes across as arrogant in others view but cork didn't do moral victories in the past, cork gaa is better than that and cork should always expect and demand to win
Second Is nothing for county like cork
See kilkenny had medals ceremony for team weekend, in November statement of intent
Most other countries drag it out to December or January but no cody wants closure in new year forget 2014 as ned quin said it's 2015
While limerick will probably have post match annalise of coming so close to winning and will ride on that crest of a wave for a bit, kilkenny one focus, is this year is gone next year is all that counts and they just won the all Ireland.
Cody doesn't do records in thought but he lives in here and now and he trys win every year so records tend take care themselves
I want cork to become like kilkenny and imo attuides Like we have in accepting a moral victory in Sunday is certainly not the way forward imo
A cork team not winning an all ireland club in ten years or munster in five years not even contested a final in munster is cause for real concern
If people form fan club and say sarsfields were unlucky, could done no more then they won't change or evolve,they won't get better.
In fairness fourth year out seven couldn't make final and despite what perception some try and paint lot cork people I talk to very disappointed result and belive sarsfields are average club team greatly overhyped.
You made some very good points there mountain lad.
The minor,u21 teams majority Has poor coaches in past though
You need strong club hurling for producing players used to winning competive championship
How many sarsfields hurlers are good enough cork panel imo just two are
As for bill cooper, he's rough around edges hurling wise but he will ger better he had a brilliant ist year with no league hurling not one bit at all
He was lost to rubgy then injury ist year back he will with league games get better and better
He has steel hurling , hunger and courage.
He's Hurling will improve with a league against top teams.
He has it and cian mccarthy doesn't have any excuse in been around since 2010,cooper is learning he's trade.
Word has it Michael sullivan going travelling so imo cork need look at options here for cover
As for limerick poster, I'll give him the respect this once of replying to the rubbish he just posted seen as he reqouted me but like other limerick poster I ignored Im not taking the bait, so he can be honoured and privelged I give him the courtesy of replying this once
Firstly you if you had any clue at all regards my posts with respect I am well versed in limerick gaa underage age in fact I know a lot about great work on minors done and here and limerick thread I don't post there anymore as I value my opinion too much to be wasting time trying to enlighten some with my knowledge as like flogging a dead horse in limerick are stuck in their ways of hurling, won't change and won't win all Ireland and they take it offence if you critise despite clear evidence backing it up.
I praised limerick minor considerably I'm my time here, done match reports harty cup and praises ard scoil many time's, I in fact recently done post in what I predicted what next year minor hurling could be like, I see some haven't done it even over their , some not all(as there's some knowledge posters there)probably have wait read limerick leader before they know what's going on in April when team play(I'm not one of those), simple truth is I have Huge time limerick underage hurling and senior hurling I once did, but don't believe in hype of current management and treated donal oh grady very poorly.
As a lot tell you here with greatest respect I don't sit on the fence, and I'll say it'd wrong before a game,nothing worse those say nothing but soon game over hurler on the dtich style sorry but that style doesn't rock my boat
I said cork minors would have hugely difficult minor game this year v ye in semi if we met in limerick and didn't want that draw how is that arrogant? From a cork man
You see your typical limerick fan at times cheery pick when it suits.
Not once did I insult limerick minor here in last post.
I saw underage work ist hand and applaud it,craved cork could follow suit many time.
I critised a club team that were very poor I said it would be dour struggle before the game. There's a difference now, have a think bout it please
That's just critising what imo I see before me
If cork u21 meet limerick I think ye would win if things materialise the way it could
But that won't happen as ye won't beat clare in ist game
If the very good john kiely bring In he's own backroom team yes he could do it
If cork met limerick I wouldn't be confident not for lack of talent though in hurling.
Take out six goals over appalling defending this was low scoring club game.
This Kilmallock team is good at best far from great extra time against an average sarsfields team yet you proclaim them as great
Can you not read a game on its merits and face value and see this is a pretty average sarsfields but I expect them to win as Kilmallock are poor
Playing two defender as forwards shows how limited they are
Typically limerick blow them up after close win when in truth very good teams would won this handy
Cratloe have too much pace, game plan, running game limerick hurling can't beat and have better natural forwards in mcgrath, collins,mclinery brothers and ryan at half back will dominate mahony
Bar ghraham mulchay they won't have much up front
The superb paddy loughin I rate highly is not a forward and imo will be senior limerick intercounty back and in time a great one at that
Unlike you I don't have to wait til now say it I said it last April on limerick thread he had talent
So do I still seem arrogant now to limerick minor hurling?,??
I'll save you a reply.
No I do not.
Kilmallock if Cratloe are tired may be beaten but if not will blow Kilmallock out the water.
Live of the greatness of Sunday , do what limerick do best but I hope you still do honours of posting here when yere beaten please
Sarsfields thought they were great after beating glen, we're they that great, Sunday proves otherwise.
I read some, just like I did say Denis walsh saying management ended dualism in cork and did not agree they did
it's as clear day aidan walsh ended it, he admitted he choose to end dualism after Tipperary in he's game was off the standard.
Such honesty walsh has, maybee won all ireland hurling in few years we had new management he would join football cork football welcome him back with open arms.
Cork football has huge respect for everything aidan walsh gave it.
Clare with davy ended it,as clare had a manager ruthless enough to do it
We would have dualism if walsh had not called end to the farce imo
The question should be asked Is why both cahalane walsh choose football, why Andrew sullivan walk away and Sean dinneen unlikely play football.
Just heard 103frm now fields of gold played around six o clock thank god I was just in the door, I had to hold back tears, got lump my throat as I think it be long long time cork football see fields gold again
Ist time I heard it Sunday game ending tune 1999 shows teams century winning all irelands, cork teams made up huge part of that
Now I hear fields gold I hugely concerned will we produce teams that again can walk in fields of gold
Anybody at football corn u mhuire today
Double you asked re cork football, I heard panel over 40 for mcgrath cup be in training for it
Just a mention on Paudie Kissane, young coach with cit, always learning, went to connaught rubgy and watched them train recently
See always learning he I'd
Great idea but imo only problem was he watching poor connaught in pat lam wonderful player, munster know too well how good he was in 99 but just cause he is southern hemisphere doesn't mean he Is good coach
Lam in my opinion overrated, Eddie sullivan great youghal man should got job.
Talking irish after Leinster win and the Guinness hell enjoy is admirable yes but with the greatest respect that's something I'd want in rose tralee contest saying how ireland is wonderful etc etc etc,give me a irish poem or song, laud our famous drink but in coach words mean nothing to me results count.
He can ride on the crest of wave for a bit but sooner or later results will be questioned.
Lam is a gentleman I've no doubt and hero as player but he's not in connaught to be celebratory bainsteoir he's here to manage connaught to success and change their culture of rubgy because their fans are superb and deserve better
That imo is what he should be judged on manager of connaught rubgy
Bar one off v Leinster connaught being pretty poor, Exeter an English club I truly admire rubgy similar munster in ethos rubgy values destroyed them week ago
Kissane can learn as when connaught do poor imo compare contrast poor coaching good coaching.
He would do worse than watch Munster train probably, has already in being limerick Ul last year training clare footballers.
Kissane is destined for greatness as a coach, likely wont be in cork though at intercounty
Ricken in line for coaching officer manager or whatever it's called, it's great move if he gets it.
A huge step forward by cork if he gets it.
Wonderful coach, will do well in head role
Has young family so won't be coaching any intercounty team for a but but any team be lucky to have him, great coach he has innovation and tactical nous.
Top top coach. Among corks finest
Ballincollig v Austin stacks on g4
I them a great chance
Kevin Crowley huge loss for mistreat,shoulder operation but hopefully he's fit for u21 cork
Milstreet have chance beat brosna with him without him huge ask imo.0 -
Corn Uí Mhuirí (Munster Post-Primary Schools Senior A Football) Results
Wednesday November 12th
St. Brendan's 6-20 St. Flannan's 0-2
HS Clonmel 4-3 St. Fachtna's Skibbereen 1-8
Rochestown College 2-17 West Limerick Colleges 1-5
PS Chorca Dhuibhne V IS Killorglin @ John Mitchells Tralee
Clonakilty CC 2-15 DLS Macroom 1-110 -
Thanks just heard from carriglaine buddy Shane kingston goal penalty apparentlyzetecescort wrote: »Corn Uí Mhuirí (Munster Post-Primary Schools Senior A Football) Results
Wednesday November 12th
St. Brendan's 6-20 St. Flannan's 0-2
HS Clonmel 4-3 St. Fachtna's Skibbereen 1-8
Rochestown College 2-17 West Limerick Colleges 1-5
PS Chorca Dhuibhne V IS Killorglin @ John Mitchells Tralee
Clonakilty CC 2-15 DLS Macroom 1-11
Evan Ryle midfield meant be very good
Facthnas big trouble loss clonmel
Clonmel won't be easy for rochestown
Clonmel qualified now two wins
Dean ryan cup final Friday now huge huge game.0 -
Another Barrs man to get U 21 hurling manager. Teddy Mac as coach.0
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Just what I saying regards limerick u21 they have great now as once selector were appointed, and it'd announced now in ballyhea jimmy quilty is in coach outstanding coach with ballyhea one rate highly, now tom Ryan gone they will be serious next year and can push very good tipp team
It's beyond possiblty limerick don't on ratified it have another u turn like like last year but you think pat hreffeean on board blackrock club man quilty should be fine
For once they got it right
Credit where it due
See limerick fans think I'm bitter towards them no no, just credit where due and when wrong I say it
That is some set up absolutely miles better than last year yes now have competent management with hurling talent to beat tipp who have good coach in Connolly0 -
Rebel norrie wrote: »Another Barrs man to get U 21 hurling manager. Teddy Mac as coach.
Who Norrie ? Is it John Hodgins ? is he a selector as it stands ? Cheers
Thanks TTM as regards info on football panel for McGrath Cup.....0 -
John hodgins as manager. Teddy Mac as coach.0
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Rebel norrie wrote: »John hodgins as manager. Teddy Mac as coach.
No surprise as I said here it would be
Same selectors more or less
Just imo moving around if it is this in roles
Teddy imo running show but imo hodgins in manager won't get much disapproval if any where teddy mac may get some if hes down as manager
Imo love it work but I cant see
Teddy want run show so he will have huge input and he's record in management is very poor
Go through all clubs limited success
Imo it wont work
Teddy was u21selector. In2011 and didn't work for cork
Eire og and kilworth and Newcastlewest did not win under him.
This imo doesnt give me confidence
Compare to limerick and tipp and clare much better management
Waterford as far I'm aware not announced theirs yet
Same old story imo regards u21 hurling0 -
As I said it initially a few weeks ago ed coughlan has indeed joined dublin hurling back room set up
Great move dublin that makes them stronger
Apparently séanie mcgrath has advisory role also.
Coughlan should be with cork gaa0 -
JBM has put a lot of pressure on Mark Collins to play hurling rates him very highly ...but Mark has chosen as usual football.0
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/international-rules-series-will-play-to-mcdonalds-strengths-297625.html
At end confirms coughlan dublin
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/mayo-battle-weariness-not-an-issue-as-coughlan-has-his-players-bang-on-track-30520513.html
Well worth a read
Now don't forget he's a cork man
See where he says they dropped intensity let cork back in to game and clearly says nothing that cork were doing made game close. More what mayo didn't do.
If you watch that game it is clear mayo dropped off.
That twenty minutes spell in they blitzed us shows how we couldn't even compete with them
It was kerry all over again except kerry had forwards and could keep tempo up early season mayo clearly had semi final in mind so didn't peak
He just had mayo in third gear he said up to then
As I said Many times hear intensity they played at was going to be lull peefromancs in cork game but didn't have forwards to close the game with cork
They were beatable for that reason
Kerry matched intensity and had forward with game plan with less resources than cork
I post that as surely ed coughlan interview will dismiss notion cork played well and made good come back in that game
They did not do great they were allowed to their is a huge difference imo
http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/10/29/aidan-walsh/
Walsh is fan coughlan
He would been ideal footballers
He's record in athletes, professional sport all areas sports performance.
is just brilliant
When I said three weeks ago he joined dublin here when I was told by a,former top coach I asked him he's thoughts on couglan he said he's so brilliant words cant quantify
He's words were he's always ahead of the game
Dublin have huge coup now and dynamic is in that group imo is better balanced with him on board
Huge statement of intent by dublin hurling.
If I was a dublin hurling I'd be chomping at the bit to start training.
I wish dublin hurling nothing but the best my second team now.
Mark collins isn't close to intercounty hurling, he was good at times but look level opponent he was up against in cork
Collins primary a footballer so should stay there0 -
i was just looking at old kilkenny programmes during the week as an outsider i'd say alot of corks problems over the last few years is the lack of players coming out of the city like st.finbarrs, blackrock, Na Pairsigh, Glenrovers, look at the cork team around 84 to 90 along with midelton them clubs were the backbone of cork hurling teams. i think if cork are to get back to the top of the tree winning all irelands again them clubs will have to be coming out of cork and winning munster club titles to.
Midelton were a great club but its i think 1988 since they won munster, same as Blackrock, Glenrovers, and st. finbarrs that has to change.0 -
homeofhurling wrote: »i was just looking at old kilkenny programmes during the week as an outsider i'd say alot of corks problems over the last few years is the lack of players coming out of the city like st.finbarrs, blackrock, Na Pairsigh, Glenrovers, look at the cork team around 84 to 90 along with midelton them clubs were the backbone of cork hurling teams. i think if cork are to get back to the top of the tree winning all irelands again them clubs will have to be coming out of cork and winning munster club titles to.
Midelton were a great club but its i think 1988 since they won munster, same as Blackrock, Glenrovers, and st. finbarrs that has to change.
Interesting point
There are many factors leading to the corks demise in hurling in recent years ( I think we flattered to deceive over last year or two and JBM absolutely made the best of what was available to him )
the demise of the Glen although county finalists this year is the lack of urban renewal, they just don't have the population anymore and they Re competing with Na Pairsaigh, Brian Dillons, Mayfield - and remember Sars are drawing players from up to mayfield as well
Na Piarsaigh will always be there or thereabouts, Barrs are struggling with hurling for sure, but seem more focused on football of late, Douglas are trying to be a dual club, they have plenty of talent but hard to serve two masters, Blackrock on the way back - if they can't build on the glut of recent underage success it's all a matter Nemo have zero interest in hurling that's never gonna change
Ultimately I blame the CCB, no vision, no development, no investment, rooted in traditional values nd archaic attitudes for last 20 years
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DEAN RYAN CUP FINAL
The panels I list are from the last day games last Friday so there is unlikely to be much if any change now.
Teams could change due to injury, or many reasons so you can't be sure how they line out on the day.
Midelton have one injury worry hopefully he be fine, touch wood.
Management Gerry Ryan Rory Purcell
Our Lady’s Templemore Dean Ryan Panel
North East Tipp school
1Thomas HennessyClonakenny
2Delacey ByrneClonakenny
3Neil QuinlanJ.K.Brackens
4Padraig CampionDrom-Inch
5Eoghan RyanLoughmore-Castleiney
6Brian mcGrathLoughmore-Castleiney
7Diarmuid RyanClonakenny
8David O SheaJ.K.Brackens
9Paul BerginDrom-Inch
10Ray MacCormackBorris-Ileigh
11Matthew O SullivanClonakenny
12Stephen NolanDrom-Inch
13Jamie MorrisseyMoyne-Templetuohey
14Aidan O MearaDrom-Inch
15Lyndon FairbrotherJ.K.Brackens
16 Martin o connell
17Eoin NesbittClonakenny
18Shane RyanDrom-Inch
19Eanna MacBrideJ.K.Brackens
20Eoin CollinsDrom-Inch
21Gearoid O ConnorMoyne-Templetuohey
22Jack RyanToomevara
23Andrew OrmondeJ.K.Brackens
24Michael O ConnellLoughmore-Castleiney
25 A lexi harty Clonakenny
26Darragh SweeneyLoughmore-Castleiney
27Conor ShanahanClonakenny
28Sean RyanTemplederry-Kenyons
Players that played in the harty cup team at various stages,our lady's won v charville lost to youghal and caoimhins so far in that group.
David o shea midfield played goal harty
Paul Bergin midfield played harty
Diarmuid Ryan half back played full harty held clare minor last and this year the tall and potent forwards aron Shanagher scoreless from play
Brian mcgrath played centre harty strong half back line brother noel won dean Ryan cup 2007
Got a Point ninety metres v rice college even with a wind is truly amazing
Minor tipp panel this year at just 14 played u16 for club
Can play centre forward
Got to be watched. I'M told better than noel mcgrath by a person I rate as a shrewd judge of a hurler, the real deal apparently.
Jamie Morrissey and lyndon fair brother very good and can score,both played harty in full forward line
Fair brother got 1-2 v youghal in the harty cup, played harty cup last year and started and starred, very pacey. tipp 17 footballer certain be tipp minor this year
Got five points, three from play v charville against jack meade in harty a fine defender in harty and dean Ryan cup , goal v caoimhins so this Lad is potent forward.
Stephen Nolan half forward in dean ryan cup and harty cup very strong, can score
MIDELTON EAST CORK SCHOOL CURRENT DEAN RYAN CUP CHAMPIONS
Management alwyin kearney tim collins
1.Ross Walsh (St. Colman’s)
2.Ciarr O’ Connor (Fr. O’ Neill’s)
3.Sean O’ Leary Hayes (Midleton)
4.Ed Leahy (Aghada)
5.Sean O’ Meara (Midleton)
6.Jack McDonnell (Aghada)
7.Ryan McConville (Midleton)
8.Daire Crotty (Carrigtwohill) – Captain
9.Brendan Twomey (Carrigtwohill)
10.Charlie Terry (Aghada)
11.Andrew Leahy (Killeagh)
12.Liam O’ Shea (lisgoold)
13.Padraig O’ Brien (Midleton)
14.Conor Keegan (Carrigtwohill)
15.Liam Gosnell (Carrigtwohill)
16.Aaron Walsh (Killeagh)
17.Aaron Walsh Barry (Carrigtwohill)
18.Chris Power (Midleton)
19.Eoin O’ Sullivan (St. Colman’s)
20.Kalen O’ Donoghue (Aghada)
21.Adam Daly (Midleton)
22.Christopher Coughlan (Killeagh)
23.Sean O’ Sullivan (Midleton)
24 Eoin Dorgan (Fr. O’ Neill’s)
25 jamie Landers
26 john O’ Dwyer
27 Natthew Leahy
28 M ichael Kelly
28 Cathal Gunning
Players played in this year harty, Andy leahy and jack mcdonnell as half forward sub
Routes to the final
MIDELTON
Ist round
Midelton beat Nenagh 2-23 to 3-13
Quater Final
Midelton beat flannans jamsie.o connor 4-8 to 3-8. Flannans played the sweeper clare style in that game, a fine team to be fair that will be serious harty cup team two years imo.
Semi final
Midelton beat charville 2-11 to 0-7
In 3 games they scored 8-42 and conceded 6-28
Their average scoring per game is around 2-14 approx conceding an average per game of 2-9
OUR LADY'S TEMPLEMORE
Ist round
Our lady's templemore 2-19 Kilmallock 1-8
Quater Final
Our lady's templemore 5-26 to Rice College Ennis 1-9
Semi final
Our lady's templemore 4-20 to Thurles 4-17 after extra time
In 3 games got 11-65 and conceded 6-34
Average scoring per game is around 22 points roughly and around 3 goals conceding around 2-11.
That's phenomenonal in fairness to them.
History
Cork schools since 1936 have won the dean Ryan 32 times approx, leading the way with the st Colmans leading on 11,North Mon on 10, midelton have won it six times, former St finbarrs franferris(Rip) three times tom Kenny last captain in 98,colaiste Chriost ri and colaiste Iognaid Ris the school where Mr cork football billy legendary the great I mean great Truly great messiah genuis mastermind cork football, Wonderful amazing majestic awesome, simply awesome billy Morgan thought , also the school of Ger Cunningham another Cork legend won one each.
Midelton have won the dean Ryan cup six times, 1940,1948,1949, 1986,1989 and 2013
Templemore have won it just once in 2007.
Midelton are trying to for just the 9 th time In the competitions history since 1936,in its history to be a team that win back to back successive titles
North Mon 58,59,80,81,84,85,done two in a row three times, the only school to do successive titles three times.
Colmans great North cork school once done successive titles twice in 93,94 and 2000,2001,2002 three in a row only school to do it in which the latter backboned three in row harty cups and two Dr Croke titles in that close period when the superb truly suprerb Andrew o shaughnessy won three dean ryan cups also. Surely the only player history in competition to win three dean Cups??.or if not definitely among a select few, truly great player unfortunately got serious illness later on he career, shame he wasn't born five miles over cork border as limerick hurling at that time failed this wonderful talent imo he would have walked on the Cork team at any level that time.
What a player. Unbelievable.
One of my heroes back then.
Such skill. Really really great I mean great hurler.
Flannans done it once in 61,62
Thurles done it once retained it in. 55,56
Midelton themselves accomplished that two in a row feat once in 48,49.
They won in 2013,2014 time will tell?????
Venue Clonmel Tipperary
Midelton beat Ard scoil last year at cashel venue to win since 1989 and end 24 year wait for dean Ryan cup when Brendan butty mccarthy carrigtwohill lifted the famous trophy in Munster u 16 1/2 hurling in the de la creme de la creme of this age group in Munster Hurling
Midelton have experience of last year in Padraig o.brien, Charlie terry, mcdonnell,ed leahy were all involved in the panel. Huge bonus to them.
Ed leahy started half back, jack mcdonnell half forward, padraig o brien corner forward got vital point in dean ryan final so that belief experience will be enormous benefit them in Cashel
Midelton won rice 2012, cork 14 colleges also captain fantastic jack mcdonnell , won white cup in 2013
,have lost none or at most just one approximately game down the years with this group.
The school down the years Won and contested rice cup regularly, won white and dean,Callaghan cups, u 14 cork title etc, in essence this wonderful truly wonderful I mean wonderful now, great cork school of former great legend Brian cocranan, donal og cusack, The rock who won a Harty as a half forward and fine one at that, etc has evolved culture from hoping to win to believe they will and expect win at all levels and huge benefit for them in any final
Our lady's is former school of noel mcgrath, Shane Bourke, Gearoid Ryan, Wonderful duel Colin riordain current tipp selector, and forthcoming 2015 manager, former player Michael Ryan and john costigan who was a tipp central council delegate coached there in the past.
Match ups are fascinating that could become mouth watering epic exhibitions that could amaze fans in fields of Clonmel that for one glorious triumphant team will become their field of gold when the whistle blows on November 14th 2015
Brian mcgrath v Andy leahy
This could be epic and have an influential bearing on the game like many other match ups.
Mcgrath will control game tempo if allowed, centre back crucial to any game,it shores up defence provides rocket launchers for forwards to rifle over the bar or score goals.
Leahy is a fine player. Been outstanding for Killeagh in league and minor u16 win, 1-5 from play in the final,two goals league final v Douglas last week, outstanding v flannans two goals, won lot ball v charville.
He is big game player
He played harty cup this year so it will stand to him.
It's important to note a player of Brian mcgrath quality, you will rarely dominate but the key is to limit he's influence.
This is a great match up.
Another option also imo jack mcdonnell only other player for mcgrath, Not that rest are poor not at all but a player of mcgrath quality you must counter that with a player of similar quality
Leahy or mcdonnell fit that bill and have aerial prowees match mcgrath. MCGRATH will be senior for tipp in time bar injury imo.
Midelton need to be fully aware and appreciate massive threat he will pose them and simply must have a player with close to hes potential to counter he's skills
Stephen Nolan v Ryan mcconville
Nolan has harty cup expierence Good hand in the air, strong and direct but two games I saw mcconville was very good
David o shea Paul Bergin both have harty cup expierence at midfield o shea being goalie, but Daire Crotty and twomey are very busy energetic hurlers. Crotty is strong on the ball, very prominent v charville.
Chris power started other day ahead of liam o shea had good game and up against Ryan who's strong and commands well that played harty cup at full back he has a tough opponent
Chris keegan and Liam gosnell need good fast ball but are potent forwards
Keegan should be handful for quinlan, he got two super points other day and there's goals in midelton and our lady's conceded four in the semi so they can be beaten but quinlan by all accounts is a fine defender.
Key player is gosnell for midelton, pj herr effin limerick intercounty player fine defender could not hold gosnell in he got splendid goal bout three points v charville.
Herr had a fine game but gosnell very hard to mark for any defender
He's elusive. Fast agile great finisher, wins hard ball
Very good from frees and excellent penalty goal last Friday.
Playing with cork it shows
Key danger man imo is lyndon Fairbrother for our lady's up front
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This lad at just 15 last year I think Been very good in last year harty, excellent v Thurles the harty main scorer in three games. Very very fast and is big big game player.
Who can mark HIM???
Imo jack mcdonnell should not,he holds centre, majestic there captain rice cup two years ago needs be there or at eleven.
The man imo is ed leahy, outstanding at half back last year in dean ryan cup final v ard scoil.
He was magnificent curbing Brilliant James Fitzgerald then geary last week always fast to a ball Hurling both sides. Not just defending and clearing ball but accurately finding a midfielder or half forward when clearing he's line
Always sweeped up ball but he Doesn't need or won't have time on fair brother to cover others,he just needs to mark him tightly and prevent him as much as possible from getting goal side as by all accounts will go for goals and he normally scores them.
Should be a great battle.Two excellent hurlers.
Jamie Morrissey corner forward v Adam daly.
Adam if he starts, in as a change from the ist day had a fine game, done what a corner back should so, won ball and supported he's full back line when required that game will bring him on further for the next day.
A fine hurler as morrisey is meant to be.
They have good subs also, aron walsh Barry, Kalen o donoughue, Sean dorgan for example.
Liam o shea is a fine sub also.
Any of that Panel could come in and do a job.
Match ups are key at schools in 19 92,in Colmans made a shrewd move putting Fergal mccormack on Paul flynn in the replay and he dominated him.
Fergal went to patrician academy but later transferred to the wonderful Colmans nursey not only mallow hurler do, Brian Carey ex cork minor also doing like wise playing in Colmans.
To call a winner is extremely hard almost impossible at dean ryan level the best of times if I'm honest but even though our lady's blitzed two opponents and then proved can win a close semi I feel midelton who had grind out two wins v jamsie.o connor flannans a fine team, white cup finalist in 2014, and charville I feel they with rice cup of 2012 AND cork colleges double the white cup 2013, core group these lad's have won lot up the grades, and expierence of a few from last year dean ryan cup team,the familiarity of tipp venues down the years and key men in central positions in what is a very good formidable opponent in our Ladys, with excellent coaches in tim collins and alwuyn kearney of rice cup this year, whyte cup other years etc I fancy the east cork school to win their magnificent Seventh dean ryan cup and corks 33rd Title and become the first school to retain its dean ryan cup crown since the great Cork school Colmans of Fermoy retained it in 2002.
Always in any final I prefer go in to a game with a lot of good work done but not having a best game played yet in to use the phrase a lot done but more to do.
Save the best til last.
I still feel midelton haven't performed to their peak yet and theirs a huge game in them
Our lady's have had an epic, high scoring thriller, and even for senior teams within a week hard to replicate that huge intensity and workrate just week later and if it happens it won't be their fault
On the other hand huge momentum from that gave could drive them on.
Gerry Ryan one of the coaches knows how to win a dean ryan cup coached them to their only win in 2007.
If midelton start well, keep it low scoring, for ist thirty don't allow our lady's to get in to full flow, and cruise control, they can win
They must respect their opponent but fear them not midelton are the champions, a great team they need to set the tempo, play the game on their terms.
They have a huge chance and had three good tests that will stand to them.
I'm sure our lady's will feel the same regards midelton.
Let's hope for a dry sunny day,(tall order given today's weather) where the west wind blows little if at all which will be the field of gold for one team where hopefully blue skies and winter sun splits through so we can enjoy a great I mean great, great game.
I can't wait,This should be fascinating, epic and two very good young teams that done this amazingly legendary great competition justice whatever happens on Friday 14th November 2014.
Whatever team looses will have a bright future as espiceally ay u16 and half lad's will naturally make mistakes and as times goes on improve with age.You can't be too critical on young lad's in these games,they are still learning.
At senior club etc its different in defeats can be analysed more critically.
Ard scoil lost 2005 dean final in a close game to st flannans but won dean Ryan in 08,harty cup teams success built on their dean ryan cup runs.
Both schools have a bright future win or loose but midelton its just a case Of not if, they bring a Harty cup back to leeside just More along the lines of When in the future years.
They have transformed the culture attitude of thought imo in now they expect to consistently win at all schools grades. And they truly Deserves immense Credit for this.
I'm corkMan so blood is thicker than water as the saying goes so naturally I'm going for midelton but at the end of day I have a love for hurling from the ground up,and at end of day looking forward watching some potential tipp stars of the future also.
If they win I'll have no hesitation to congratulate them here them as I' feel honoured and privelged to congratulate any winner of this majestic competition.
Nothing better than seeing senior star in six years time, say jesus remember dean ryan cup when he was brilliant etc.
I had privilege honour watch tom Kenny once in dean ryan ist round game,you just knew even as a young hurler he is was destined for bigger things,saw dowlling, Downes ard scoil, Murphy Colemans, shaughnessy Colmans, Dayne Lee, gunning s etc all light up dean ryan cups on a given day.
Schools hurling is so important to the game, and best games are often here at schools.
Most people you meet these games they are like bibles in memory,so so much real hurling knowledge.
They speak hurling from the heart.
Every breath they take, every move they make is embedded with a natural understanding and appreciation for this wonderful game ireland are lucky to have.
Any hurling fan is in great company in these games as unlike some games everbody here is here for pure true love of the wonderful game of hurling.
It's the common demonatior that unites all hurling fans at these games.
It's magical schools hurling, Wonderful competitions be it rice, dean, harty etc.
Anybody with even the slightest involment in these competitions have my respect and admiration as they deserve all credit due to them.
Away from the lime light working for a better future for their counties.
IF I had a choice world cup final or dean or rice or harty final,I'd choose hurling Final any and every day of the week,just pure magic imo.
Winners play in the niall mclinery final Saturday 29th November good counsel or athenry.
Good counsel the Leinster final winners play winners play Galway champions in a semi final as far as I'm aware where cork or tipp get a bye to a final as midelton played Galway athenry in semi won by point in great come back in a windy claughan in limerick last year in which athenry were a very good team with two potential senior Galway stars imo playing for them, same day majestic Cathal martin kitltha og gave superb display as i wrote then at corner back and cork minor john looney scoring a truly wonderful goal good enough to grace any hurling field in Ireland.
So not only hoping win second munster in a row,midelton could be aiming to contest second all ireland final in a row having been unlucky to a magnificent kilkenny cbs last year in the final.
Best of luck midelton cbs.
They have done cork hurling proud in this wonderful historic competition imo.
There is an orange weather alert in operation til 9am so if heavy rain falls may not go ahead, who knows, if conditions are bad game must be cancelled, these two teams don't deserve play in poor conditions, give them if needs be better day
No one can control weather but if it's in any doubt cancel it ist thing in the morning imo rather than people make journey to clonmel.0 -
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The east cork focus has also helped the demise of Cork hurling. the over reliance and the selection bias towards the eastern side of the county has led to an erosion of confidence within the kids playing in the underage city teams. No matter how good they are they will invariably play second fiddle. There is as much talent in the Glen and Na Parsaigh as there has always been but few are watching them.0
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The east cork focus has also helped the demise of Cork hurling. the over reliance and the selection bias towards the eastern side of the county has led to an erosion of confidence within the kids playing in the underage city teams. No matter how good they are they will invariably play second fiddle. There is as much talent in the Glen and Na Parsaigh as there has always been but few are watching them.
Unless you can prove this 'East Cork' bias you can **** right off with the divisive ****.
We aren't Waterford or Laois or Galway, we have enough problems without throwing made up geographical bias into the ring as well.0 -
Never heard so much crap.The east cork focus has also helped the demise of Cork hurling. the over reliance and the selection bias towards the eastern side of the county has led to an erosion of confidence within the kids playing in the underage city teams. No matter how good they are they will invariably play second fiddle. There is as much talent in the Glen and Na Parsaigh as there has always been but few are watching them.0 -
The east cork focus has also helped the demise of Cork hurling. the over reliance and the selection bias towards the eastern side of the county has led to an erosion of confidence within the kids playing in the underage city teams. No matter how good they are they will invariably play second fiddle. There is as much talent in the Glen and Na Parsaigh as there has always been but few are watching them.
While I wouldn't go quite this far, it is a little strange that despite consistently being the strongest teams underage, clubs like the Rockies, Na Piarsiagh don't have more on the underage panels.0 -
While I wouldn't go quite this far, it is a little strange that despite consistently being the strongest teams underage, clubs like the Rockies, Na Piarsiagh don't have more on the underage panels.
sadly I agree
Underage / minor notoriously policital
If your a mentor and there's a kid from your club or your division ( on a par or in your view on a par ) fighting for a place with one from a different club / division - who are yiu going to pick ??? You can get away with it at this level but there is reduced visibility
Midleton keeping a goal at the moment between themselves and templemore - nearly half time in Dean Ryan0 -
While I wouldn't go quite this far, it is a little strange that despite consistently being the strongest teams underage, clubs like the Rockies, Na Piarsiagh don't have more on the underage panels.
2014 versus Limerick - five city, three East Cork.
CORK: P Collins (capt, Ballinhassig); C Walsh (St. Finbarr’s), S Bourke (Grenagh), S O’Brien (St. Catherine’s); O Dempsey (Youghal), A O’Callaghan (Blackrock), D Browne (Cuchulainn’s); S O’Donoghue (Inniscarra), D Meaney (Blackrock); D Lee (Na Piarsaigh), S Kingston (Douglas), S Hayes (Mallow); D Casey (Charleville), E Keniry (Killeagh/St Ita’s), L Meade (Newcestown).
2013 versus Clare - six from East Cork on the panel, five from the City, captain of the team from the city.
1. Patrick Collins Ballinhassig
2. Shane O Brien St. Catherine’s 3. Killian O’Connor Mallow 4. Kieran Histon Cobh
5. Mark O Keeffe Fr. O’Neill’s 6. Conor Twomey Newtownshandrum 7. Cathal Cormack Blackrock
8. Michael Cahalane Bandon 9. Rickard Cahalane Ballymartle
10. Peter Kelleher Kilmichael 11. Kevin O’Neill Watergrasshill 12. Trevor Horgan Newcestown
13. Aaron Ward Douglas 14. Pa O’Callaghan Ballyhea 15. Anthony Spillane Castlelyons
16. Michael Browne Ballyhea
17. Eddie Gunning Na Piarsaigh
18. Darren Quirke Midleton
19. David Noonan Glen Rovers
20. Conor Kelleher Sarsfields
21. Donal Hannon Newmarket
22. Mark O Connor Douglas
23. Sean Bourke Grenagh
24. Sean Hayes Mallow
2012 versus Limerick - three from East Cork starting, two from City, captain from city
1. Patrick Collins
Ballinhassig
2. Stephen Murphy 3. Killian O'Connor 4. Alan Dennehy
Blackrock Mallow Charleville
5. Killian McIntyre 6. Michael Cahalane 7. Paul Fitzgerald
Carrigaline Bandon Douglas
8. Conor Twomey 9. Barra O'Connell
Newtownshandrum Blarney
10. John Cashman 11. Dillon Cahill 12. Kevin O'Neill
Lisgoold Cloyne Watergrasshill
13. Aaron Sheehan 14. Rickard Cahalane 15. Pa O'Callaghan
Mallow Sliabh Rua Ballyhea
2011 - 6 from the city, 4 from East Cork.
1. Gary Minihane
Courcey Rovers
2. Killian Burke 3. Colm Spillane (C) 4. Anthony Dennehy
Midleton Castlelyons Na Piarsaigh
5. Cormac Walsh 6. Darren Sweetnam 7. Killian McIntyre
Midleton Sam Maguires Carrigaline
8. Rob O'Shea 9. Cian Buckley
Carrigaline Na Piarsaigh
10. Shane O'Keeffe 11. Dillon Cahill 12. Cormac Murphy
Blackrock Cloyne Mallow
13. Alan Cadogan 14. John Fitzgerald 15. Kevin O'Keeffe
Douglas Blackrock Blackrock
Staggering East Cork bias alright. :rolleyes:0 -
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While I wouldn't go quite this far, it is a little strange that despite consistently being the strongest teams underage, clubs like the Rockies, Na Piarsiagh don't have more on the underage panels.
Na Piarsiagh have loads on the current underage panels, and after/along with Sars are the best represented club in the county on these panels.
Rockies aren't actually that good from U-14 - U-17 right now.0
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