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If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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  • #102
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Doee she even know who the father is?

    Important question, but was dismissed,

    Let's show the children fathers have no responsibility

    omega666 wrote: »
    People seems to be missing the part in the article where she has already dropped out of two schools out of her own choice because she didnt like them. So there’s nothing stopping her getting an education except herself.
    .

    Dropped out of 2 schools already, so suddenly getting an education is important, It's a pity she didn't get it before she got pregnant.
    omega666 wrote: »

    Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers? The school doesn't want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh. Would you want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?


    Peers will see the house & benefits they get...to naive and unemployed girls, it'll seems like a lotto win

    Who paid for her home tuition?


    Lets just give her the house and benefits now, save all this hassle

    Where was the mother while the child was out fornicating, and suddenly she's the best mother in the world, crying her child can't get an education..maybe if she had a greater parental presence in this child's life, the child would not be in this position now


  • #103
    Davidth88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    To the people who say this is ok , because the girl will somehow ' infect ' the rest of the girls in the school.

    Would it be ok if the person refused the girl because her parents were not married / divorced ?

    Would it be ok if the person refused the girl because he had heard that her parents had had an affair ?


    If we had heard about this practice in somewhere like Afghanistan we would all be saying this is terrible etc ( as I said in my OP )

    This person should not be near young people IMO.


  • #104
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    To the people who say this is ok , because the girl will somehow ' infect ' the rest of the girls in the school.

    Would it be ok if the person refused the girl because her parents were not married / divorced ?

    Would it be ok if the person refused the girl because he had heard that her parents had had an affair ?


    If we had heard about this practice in somewhere like Afghanistan we would all be saying this is terrible etc ( as I said in my OP )

    This person should not be near young people IMO.

    People mistake mirrors for windows all the time.


  • #105
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    eviltwin wrote: »
    If she can....

    This is in Tipperary, I doubt she has much in the way of choice. Why should this school be allowed to practice such bigotry? Imagine if all schools were to act this way.

    Why not? do you think we only have the one school here in Tipperary? She probably seen the other case of the student taking action because they were refused entry and thought to herself, that's a great way to make a few bob;)

    Although he lost his case


  • #106
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Think_then_talk wrote: »
    Someone's on a power buzz. No board of management. only his son.

    a person introducing himself as the School Manager and was told
    ’I will not and do not accept single mothers in this school.’
    The school has an uncompromising ethos and will not become
    a dumping ground for those rejected elsewhere....
    ’Do not try to blame this school for having a moral code.
    You have no business coming down here to si ngle us out
    - we are a Catholic school and shall remain so’.

    Go Equal Status Acts.. Kick his ass.
    They should hang their head in shame.

    I saw the article earlier while glancing through the Metro and this part of his quote stood out to me. Couldn't help but think, "They are the one's who are initiating the rejection. There is no fúcking elsewhere."


  • #107
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    what's the position of insurance in the schools, with pregnant students?


  • #108
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    ash23 wrote: »
    And what if the next school, or all schools decide to start refusing an education to this girl on the same basis?
    Just because there are other options, doesn't mean that school should be able to discriminate against her.

    Agreed, but is this about a girl trying to get an education - in which case simply go to another school - or is it about something else? Why would you want to go to a school with that attitude anyway?

    The entire episode begins to smell of compo, TBH.

    She can still expose and fight discrimination from another school.


  • #109
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Why not? do you think we only have the one school here in Tipperary? She probably seen the other case of the student taking action because they were refused entry and thought to herself, that's a great way to make a few bob;)

    Although he lost his case

    Are you the bloke who owns the school? You are making a lot of assumptions about someone you don't even know...


  • #110
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Why not? do you think we only have the one school here in Tipperary? She probably seen the other case of the student taking action because they were refused entry and thought to herself, that's a great way to make a few bob;)

    Although he lost his case

    Is Borrisoleigh not a rural area then?


  • #111
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    Important question, but was dismissed,

    Let's show the children fathers have no responsibility

    It was dismissed because it was a badly disguised insult about the girl. The father is not really going to affect her education one way or the other. He may be paying maintenance etc. But it's not actually relevant to her getting into this school.
    I mentioned the father in a few posts. Wondering if he was also denied entry to a school.




    Dropped out of 2 schools already, so suddenly getting an education is important, It's a pity she didn't get it before she got pregnant.

    So she's damned if she does and if she doesn't? She wants to go back to school to provide for her child but she should be denied because of her earlier mistakes?
    Peers will see the house & benefits they get...to naive and unemployed girls, it'll seems like a lotto win

    ah that's just nonsense. Majority of single parents are NOT on benefits but of course it's easier for people to assume they are. ::)
    Who paid for her home tuition?

    The same people who pay for all teenagers education - the taxpayer.
    Lets just give her the house and benefits now, save all this hassle
    God forbid anyone would want the girl to be able to make her own way in life. Just confine her to a life on welfare? Really?


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  • #112
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    micropig wrote: »
    what's the position of insurance in the schools, with pregnant students?

    And what about when she applied again the next year after she had delivered the child? she has been refused a place twice by the school.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #113
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Mr. Presentable wrote: »
    Agreed, but is this about a girl trying to get an education - in which case simply go to another school - or is it about something else? Why would you want to go to a school with that attitude anyway?

    The entire episode begins to smell of compo, TBH.

    She can still expose and fight discrimination from another school.

    She is in another school. I don't think (from the report) that she is doing anything other than complaining about the way she was treated. She's enrolled in another school as far as I know.


  • #114
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    micropig wrote: »
    Dropped out of 2 schools already, so suddenly getting an education is important, It's a pity she didn't get it before she got pregnant.

    It's ridiculous to punish this girl for a decision she made when she was 15? 16? The report said that she left after her Junior Cert, worked for a while, fell pregnant and then decided that she want to return to school. Seems quite obvious that her experiences of the world convinced her that she needed to improve her education and hence her prospects. Are you saying that she should be denied an education for the rest of her life because of a bad choice she made as a kid?

    Peers will see the house & benefits they get...to naive and unemployed girls, it'll seems like a lotto win

    Who paid for her home tuition?


    Lets just give her the house and benefits now, save all this hassle

    Come off it. Do you realise how absurd and contradictory you sound. If she wanted to live off benefits and have a house handed to her then why would she even bother trying to go back to school in the first place. If as you assume she was a lazy, dole scrounging, waste of space then why would she bother to finish school?

    Where was the mother while the child was out fornicating, and suddenly she's the best mother in the world, crying her child can't get an education..maybe if she had a greater parental presence in this child's life, the child would not be in this position now

    **** happens. Teenagers have sex. Sometimes mistakes happen. Do you realise how sheltered and repressed you sound? "the child was out fornicating" indeed :rolleyes:

    Why shouldn't she be upset that her child is being treated in such an obnoxious manner? Who are you to make judgements on what role her mother had in her life?

    People are hilarious. In one breath you complain about uneducated teen mothers collecting the dole. In the next you're outraged when she tries to finish her studies and work towards getting a better life for herself.


  • #115
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    omega666 wrote: »
    Course she has the right to education, it dosent mean she can attend whatever school she want though. If she was refused from every school she applied to then you would have a point. There's plently of schools she can get educated in if she wants to.

    The law DOES state though she has the right to an education and she can apply to as many as she wants to see that right fulfilled.
    As to grounds for rejection, the fact that she is a mother and/or previously pregnant, frankly might cross the line of legal discrimination!
    omega666 wrote: »
    Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers?
    I have never said or claimed anything of the sort EITHER WAY - I have never even mentioned that area of topic - I have no idea on this green earth why your attributing that question to me or maybe trying to espouse that I have said something on that very matter!
    Please DON'T try putting words in my mouth - or espouse that I have stated something on that matter.
    Absolute pure stupidity to try and do so. Utter failure!
    omega666 wrote: »
    The school dosent want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh.
    No.
    ONE idiot wants its students to see their way in an outdated bigotry way.
    omega666 wrote: »
    Would you want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?
    Whats that got to do with this persons right to access education?
    My feelings towards my daughterS and their care are a private family matter.
    I sure as hell am not going to discuss them on an open forum.

    I will say however that whatever condition a young woman might find herself in, she should always have the right to not be rejected just because of a medical or previous medical condition!

    There is a lot of utter stupidity in this whole thread by some that are clearly uneducated too!


  • #116
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is Borrisoleigh not a rural area then?

    A rural area, within travelling distance of Limerick, Thurles, Templemore, Nenagh, Port Laois......and many more places, It's fairly central
    ash23 wrote: »
    God forbid anyone would want the girl to be able to make her own way in life. Just confine her to a life on welfare? Really?



    that's where she's heading, maybe she'll just have to take a break and return to education in a year or 2.

    Edit: I see she is in another school, so she should stop complaining and focus on her studies..her mother is making drama


  • #117
    barbiegirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭barbiegirl


    I went to a Catholic ethos school that accepted and encouraged pregnant and new mums back into the system. In fact the headmaster would keep going out to the house until he got them back into education. Then after leaving cert he did everything in his power to get them in to the career they wanted, writing letters, making phone calls, providing references.
    Those he got to come back to school all went on to be valuable and contributing members of society.
    This was 20 years ago and looking back I know how lucky I was to grow up in a town with a proper Catholic parish priest who practiced Christian values and a headmaster who actually cared about the kids, not peoples perception of the school. We had an 85% feed rate into 3rd level, of some sort, from our sixth year.
    This headmaster should be ashamed of himself, he is not acting in a a Christian manner never mind a truely Catholic one.


  • #118
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    A rural area, within travelling distance of Limerick, Thurles, Templemore, Nenagh, Port Laois......and many more places, It's fairly central





    that's where she's heading, maybe she'll just have to take a break and return to education in a year or 2.

    You are so judgemental, I cannot believe someone would actually want to stop someone getting on in life. What is the problem?

    I was that girl once and thank christ I had support, I was able to continue with my education, get my degree, get a good job, my own home etc. Had that support not been there I would have been just another statistic, a woman on benefits probably being judged by the like of you.

    Do you have kids? Do you plan on having any? Would you want someone treating your son or daughter like this for the sake of one error of judgement.


  • #119
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    A rural area, within travelling distance of Limerick, Thurles, Templemore, Nenagh, Port Laois......and many more places, It's fairly central





    that's where she's heading, maybe she'll just have to take a break and return to education in a year or 2.

    Edit: I see she is in another school, so she should stop complaining and focus on her studies..her mother is making drama

    Her mother made the complaint to Emily Logan, Emily Logan made it public...stop implying this family are out to make a quick buck or cause hassle, I am sure if they were that way inclined there are other avenues they would have taken.


  • #120
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    humanji wrote: »
    I wonder how different Christianity would be if Mary had been treated like this.

    I think we should call in Superman to sort this out. Christianity sucks.


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  • #121
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    that's where she's heading, maybe she'll just have to take a break and return to education in a year or 2.

    Edit: I see she is in another school, so she should stop complaining and focus on her studies..her mother is making drama

    Why is that where she is heading? Why would you make that assumption.

    I myself completed my education and now work and make a living for myself and my child with no support from welfare. I also know of many other single parents who do the same. Single parent doesn't always mean welfare and if you bothered looking up actual facts about single parents you would know that as opposed to relying on your own warped world view of it.

    Her mother feels her daughter was mistreated and complained to the ombudsman for children. It's not wrong for her to be annoyed at her daughter being treated that way. :rolleyes:


  • #122
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This young girl can't get into school and yet the bankers who ruined the enonomy can send their kids to any school they want, some justice !

    I think you meant to say these bankers cannot get into jail.


  • #123
    Old Tom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Biggins wrote: »
    Aaa.. I'm a qualified teacher and have taught, amid other things.
    Does that count sir?
    Whoever gave a person with your attitude towards other people right to teach children and possibly act as an authority must have been insane.

    EDIT: "Have taught" sounds like someone has corrected the mistake... :rolleyes:


  • #124
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Do schools give maternity leave to children?


  • #125
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Whoever gave a person with your attitude towards other people right to teach children and possibly act as an authority must have been insane.

    O' right, because your such a charmer yourself and so better?
    More stupidity!

    Your whole words on this matter show your own character and frankly I personally won't want you near any children of this state if I could help it.
    You would be a disgrace to the Irish education system.

    Edit:
    "Have taught" sounds like someone has corrected the mistake...
    Actually seeing as you seem to know me so well, I shouldn't have to explain then that I have gone on to set-up a number of companies, one of which is also registered with www.IRO.ie and the www.cro.ie, is an education company.
    ...But hey, carry on with your daftness....


  • #126
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Whoever gave a person with your attitude towards other people right to teach children and possibly act as an authority must have been insane.

    EDIT: "Have taught" sounds like someone has corrected the mistake... :rolleyes:

    And why's that? While I can't say I agree with Biggins on everything, I don't see how he's an unsuitable authority for children


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  • #127
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    I presume the school is as diligent about refusing teenage boys who impregnate girls entry to education.

    Of course this is the kind of policy Jesus would be proud of.


  • #128
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    She didnt setle in the other schools , wonder why . Perhaps were not seeing the full picture here.

    From anything ive seen Of school age pregnancies, they dont seem to happen to the quiet or academic types . If this girl is anything like the ones I went to school with who got preggers then Id say theres a lot more to it, and the kid is just an easy excuse.


  • #129
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    She didnt setle in the other schools , wonder why . Perhaps were not seeing the full picture here.

    From anything ive seen Of school age pregnancies, they dont seem to happen to the quiet or academic types . If this girl is anything like the ones I went to school with who got preggers then Id say theres a lot more to it, and the kid is just an easy excuse.

    Maybe there is other things at play here but the issue is the school refused her on the basis she was pregnant and then later on because she was an unmarried mother. There are plenty of unmarried parents who want to do well, who have so much potential and would excel at school -many do. Not all teen parents end up on welfare but they need support and this school will just continue to behave like this if they are allowed to get away with it. Its probably not much use to the girl in question but if it helps others in future then they need to be exposed.


  • #130
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Min wrote: »
    Do schools give maternity leave to children?

    It's not maternity leave in the classic sense of the word, in that it is not paid leave. But of course a girl who has had a baby needs time off leading up to and following the birth.
    The governement cover up to 10 weeks of home tuition. But it has to be applied for through the school and GP letters have to be given as to why a girl cannot attend the school as normal.


  • #131
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    The fact that there is idiots still in this world that would reject a person just because of a medical or previous medical condition, is sad!

    What's worse is that some of them are even here with this stupidest out-dated train of thought, in this thread!


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  • #132
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    lazygal wrote: »
    I presume the school is as diligent about refusing teenage boys who impregnate girls entry to education.

    Of course this is the kind of policy Jesus would be proud of.

    Good point. And you'd swear Christianity was all about tolerance and forgiveness and all that.


  • #133
    Davidth88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    Min wrote: »
    Do schools give maternity leave to children?

    If you read the report , she was attending a school ( her second school having dropped out after Junior Cert and tried work ) , she got home schooling from the state during her ' maternity leave ' after which she wanted to attend ' school A ( the school in question ) because her friends were there , and it was ' outside the city ' .

    So the answer seems to be yes , with home schooling provided by the state , I am open to correction by people who may know the rules better.


  • #134
    Old Tom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Biggins wrote: »
    O' right, because your such a charmer yourself and so better?
    More stupidity!

    Your whole words on this matter show your own character and frankly I personally won't want you near any children of this state if I could help it.
    You would be a disgrace to the Irish education system.
    Haha, you are funny :) The few posts in AH show my character... Excellent. I said "It's freedom, the school has right to make a decision" - here I am, a devil himself, Nazi, homophobic idiot and frustrated bigot.

    I an indeed surprised how often reasonable (by the looks of things) people like you use expressions such as "stupidity", "arsehole", "idiocy" etc. towards others.

    I don't teach, never have, never will. I have my own family and kids to look after and I'm proud of it. Have I called that girl any names? No, but it does stop stupid crowd to crucify anyone who is against, abuse them, call them names.

    I really don't care what the AH leftist crowd says about me, I totally don't give a single damn - and I will say whatever I think until a friendly mod bans me in the name of leftist tolerance.

    Now, you can come back to your mantra about stupidity, my little all-knowing genius :rolleyes:


  • #135
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    Good point. And you'd swear Christianity was all about tolerance and forgiveness and all that.

    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.


  • #136
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Old Tom wrote: »
    ...Now, you can come back to your mantra about stupidity, my little all-knowing genius :rolleyes:

    Well judging by your amazing ability to know me so well that you can judge my level of skill in supplying an education process to others, you must be the all knowing one.

    Your one of a kind sir and we all can see that.
    Good health.


  • #137
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.


    Sorry for her actions? For producing a child?
    Why should she be apologetic for having a baby? Loose morals? Oh sweet Jesus :mad:


  • #138
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.

    You've got to be ****ing kidding me.


  • #139
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.

    So, she has strong catholic beliefs then, is this why she wants to go to this particular school?



    Or are they just complaining because they are used to having everything handed to them and have never been told 'no' before?


    Home tuition paid for and OPFA (essentially paid maternity leave)


  • #140
    noddyone2
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭noddyone2


    Proper order. Good morals taught at that school, I'd say.


  • #141
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    School should be named and the people running it sacked.

    Ireland no longer appears to care about society, instead it's treated as if it's some big corporation where the main focus in on attracting investors and doing everything and anything to keep them happy.

    Whatever happened to taking care of the most vulnerable in society?


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  • #142
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.

    pmsl at this

    The "sin" is in having sex...most kids who have sex - and adults for that matter - will be lucky enough not to get pregnant. Sadly for the ones who do - the girls that is - they wear their "sin" in public which makes it easier for people like you to think they are slappers.


  • #143
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    So, she has strong catholic beliefs then, is this why she wants to go to this particular school?
    No she doesn't. Neither do most who attend catholic schools. There isn't a huge amount of choice out there.


    Or are they just complaining because they are used to having everything handed to them and have never been told 'no' before?
    I'm fairly sure they are annoyed because a young girl was treated really badly.


    Home tuition paid for and OPFA (essentially paid maternity leave)
    You don't know that she gets one parent family payment. You know nothing about what she has or doesn't have. More ignorant assumptions. And one parent family allowance is not maternity leave. She had 10 weeks of home tuition. You'd begrudge the girl that? After giving birth? Should she have hopped out of the bed and trotted back into school? You do realise what happens when a woman gives birth right?


  • #144
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    ash23 wrote: »
    Sorry for her actions? For producing a child?
    Why should she be apologetic for having a baby? Loose morals? Oh sweet Jesus :mad:

    Yes for her actions, not for producing the child once she was pregnant. She was either 15 or 16 years old when she got pregnant, school children really shouldn't be having sex.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

    No, when I was her age, I was busy getting my education, brought up by parents with strong morals and didn't even consider sex an option until I was an adult.
    micropig wrote: »
    So, she has strong catholic beliefs then, is this why she wants to go to this particular school?



    Or are they just complaining because they are used to having everything handed to them and have never been told 'no' before?


    Home tuition paid for and OPFA (essentially paid maternity leave)

    She did the right thing keeping the baby, but the fact is she shouldn't have been putting herself about so she would end up pregnant.


  • #145
    Old Tom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Biggins wrote: »
    we all can see that.
    Ah, "we all"... I see you are a Voice Of the Community now father ...

    Ok, I'm gonna make myself a cup of coffee, have a nice day sir.


  • #146
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    So, she has strong catholic beliefs then, is this why she wants to go to this particular school?



    Or are they just complaining because they are used to having everything handed to them and have never been told 'no' before?


    Home tuition paid for and OPFA (essentially paid maternity leave)

    The saddest thing is that you are an educator yourself. I hope you don't treat your own students with such contempt.


  • #147
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Min wrote: »
    Yes for her actions, not for producing the child once she was pregnant. She was either 15 or 16 years old when she got pregnant, school children really shouldn't be having sex.



    No, when I was her age, I was busy getting my education, brought up by parents with strong morals and didn't even consider sex an option until I was an adult.



    She did the right thing keeping the baby, but the fact is she shouldn't have been putting herself about so she would end up pregnant.

    Well she did...no point wagging the finger after the fact. Do you think one bad decision should have what could be a life long effect on her? She had a baby, she didn't rob a bank or kill somone ffs.


  • #148
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    ash23 wrote: »


    I'm fairly sure they are annoyed because a young girl was treated really badly.


    /QUOTE]

    Yes it's the states fault, It's the schools fault, it's societies fault..


    everyones fault but the mother and her daughter



    She was enrolled in another school before giving birth - the state was providing her education


    This is just a hissy fit she is throwing because she didn't get to go to the school she wanted,

    Tough Sh1T


  • #149
    noddyone2
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭noddyone2


    eviltwin wrote: »
    pmsl at this

    The "sin" is in having sex...most kids who have sex - and adults for that matter - will be lucky enough not to get pregnant. Sadly for the ones who do - the girls that is - they wear their "sin" in public which makes it easier for people like you to think they are slappers.
    'Lucky' not to get pregnant? Since when does 'luck' come into it? Contraception is widely available. Bad parenting maybe?


  • #150
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ash23 wrote: »
    ...After giving birth? Should she have hopped out of the bed and trotted back into school? You do realise what happens when a woman gives birth right?

    I couldn't help but laugh at that (in a good way - I totally agree with you Ash23).

    My wife whom had four kids by me, couldn't barely walk for weeks after she gave birth to our offspring - never mind supposedly spring up and go anywhere beyond a room.

    I would not deny anyone the right to immediately try and start up their studies in what ever way they can.
    In fact I find it admirable that the young woman even wished to, as soon as she possibly could!
    Thats some good thinking and certainly should not be knocked!


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  • #151
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Min wrote: »
    Yes for her actions, not for producing the child once she was pregnant. She was either 15 or 16 years old when she got pregnant, school children really shouldn't be having sex.



    No, when I was her age, I was busy getting my education, brought up by parents with strong morals and didn't even consider sex an option until I was an adult.



    She did the right thing keeping the baby, but the fact is she shouldn't have been putting herself about so she would end up pregnant.

    So she should now be punished for getting pregnant is that it?

    Ah yeah, what brilliant morals your parents instilled in you. The hypocrisy is ****ing laughable.


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