Huawei b593s-22

TommyMacca · 07-04-2015 11:39am

WillyFXP wrote: »

The three branded B593s has had the VOIP tab removed, no idea why, because three dont provide a VOIP service, you would think they would allow you to use the VOIP provider of your choice. The unlocked/generic firmware version has full VOIP functionality, but not natively, you need to have a third party VOIP provider and enter the account details into the router.
The three branded B593s cannot use a voice sim for calls, but the unlocked/generic version CAN use a voice sim with a standard analogue phone plugged into one of the phone ports. This is limited with a three sim, can only make calls, not receive them, I think this is because of the CGNAT. I haven't tried with any other operator apart from three.

Other things to note about the three branded version vs the generic version. The three branded version with the latest firmware CAN bypass the CGNAT using 3internet APN, allowing full functionality like port forwarding etc because it gives an external IP. This obviously only works with a three sim.

The generic version gives full voip menu etc etc, BUT it cannot use the 3internet APN, only the 3ireland APN. This means it can only ever get an internal IP as the APN is locked to the CGNAT, resulting in port forwarding etc not working.

@WillyFXP

Sorry for the slow response, Easter happened :-)

OK so what you are saying is if I buy one of these modems "unlocked" from say Amazon. It will come with the VOIP tab. I will need to configure the modem to point to a 3rd party VOIP supplier as Three.ie don't offer VOIP.

Does that therefore mean my desktop phone would be able to make/receive VOIP calls?
I assume the VOIP vendor would able to offer me a land-line number?

I just read the wikipedia page on CGNAT and to me it looks like its a way to stretch out the problem of IPv4 addresses running out. But I was unable to understand how this relates to me and my modem. I am a software developer, networks were never my strong point sorry, if you could explain please the implications.

The same with port forwarding. My only understanding of this, is you configure certain ports for certain applications/services e.g. port 80 is HTTP, port 21 is FTP, port 22 is SSH. etc. I believe this speeds up communications. If you could explain please the implications, I feel lost.

My ideal solution would be to connect my analogue desktop phone to my modem and make and receive phone calls as if I had a land-line. Do you think this is somehow achievable using a B593s-22 (locked or unlocked) on the Three.ie network? If its not possible then I will go with @Caspero's solution.

Thanks very much for your help, its greatly appreciated.

U1v3r · 07-04-2015 7:33pm

Hi,

I just received a B593s-22 I bought at Amazon UK.

At the Amazon page, the item pictures showed "Model: B593s-22 VN2" and I received a version 1 "Model: B593s-22". I contacted Amazon and they told me to return it.

I would like to know if there is any difference between the 2 versions, or is it just the case of a firmware update.

I'm tempted to return it, but I'll be sending it from Portugal and it will take over a week to receive a new one.

Could anyone please tell me what are the differences (if any) between the 2 versions?

WillyFXP · 07-04-2015 8:02pm

U1v3r wrote: »

Hi,

I just received a B593s-22 I bought at Amazon UK.

At the Amazon page the item pictures showed "Model: B593s-22 VN2" and I received a version 1 "Model: B593s-22". I contacted Amazon and they told me to return it.

I would like to know if there is any difference between the 2 versions or is it just the case of a firmware update.

I'm tempted to return it but I'll be sending it from Portugal and it will take over a week to receive a new one.

Could anyone please tell me what are the differences between the 2 versions?

The versions are hardware versions, not firmware. I dont know what differences are, but they obviosly changed the hardware for a reason. I'd return it.

U1v3r · 07-04-2015 8:13pm

WillyFXP wrote: »

The versions are hardware versions, not firmware. I dont know what differences are, but they obviosly changed the hardware for a reason. I'd return it.

Hi WillyFXP. Thank you for your quick answer. I guess I'll return it.

iwantbroadband · 07-04-2015 9:30pm

WillyFXP wrote: »

Other things to note about the three branded version vs the generic version. The three branded version with the latest firmware CAN bypass the CGNAT using 3internet APN, allowing full functionality like port forwarding etc because it gives an external IP. This obviously only works with a three sim.

The generic version gives full voip menu etc etc, BUT it cannot use the 3internet APN, only the 3ireland APN. This means it can only ever get an internal IP as the APN is locked to the CGNAT, resulting in port forwarding etc not working.

I've been considering whether to get an generic version, or a three branded one. It's important that I have an external IP address as I've got an IP cam I need to remotely access (via DDNS) and currently can successfully.

I don't quite understand how the generic version can't use the 3internet APN - is there no option to change this in the settings?

WillyFXP · 07-04-2015 10:44pm

iwantbroadband wrote: »

I've been considering whether to get an generic version, or a three branded one. It's important that I have an external IP address as I've got an IP cam I need to remotely access (via DDNS) and currently can successfully.

I don't quite understand how the generic version can't use the 3internet APN - is there no option to change this in the settings?

Cant be done, it's written into the three branded firmware

-=al=- · 07-04-2015 10:58pm

Someone here unlocked a 3 one and used the generic firmware, but I have absolutely no idea how or what was used.

The s-22 model is the best one, I think there's a few B593 models but the s-22 is the man to have.

I'd try and avoid the 3 branded one and just go for it unlocked from the box... just seems easier. It is a bit expensive but it seems like a future-ish proofed router and should last a while.

It's helped a lot of folks out on here with getting a half decent connection without a fixed bb service

WillyFXP · 07-04-2015 11:02pm

TommyMacca wrote: »

@WillyFXP

Sorry for the slow response, Easter happened :-)

OK so what you are saying is if I buy one of these modems "unlocked" from say Amazon. It will come with the VOIP tab. I will need to configure the modem to point to a 3rd party VOIP supplier as Three.ie don't offer VOIP.

Does that therefore mean my desktop phone would be able to make/receive VOIP calls?
I assume the VOIP vendor would able to offer me a land-line number?

I just read the wikipedia page on CGNAT and to me it looks like its a way to stretch out the problem of IPv4 addresses running out. But I was unable to understand how this relates to me and my modem. I am a software developer, networks were never my strong point sorry, if you could explain please the implications.

The same with port forwarding. My only understanding of this, is you configure certain ports for certain applications/services e.g. port 80 is HTTP, port 21 is FTP, port 22 is SSH. etc. I believe this speeds up communications. If you could explain please the implications, I feel lost.

My ideal solution would be to connect my analogue desktop phone to my modem and make and receive phone calls as if I had a land-line. Do you think this is somehow achievable using a B593s-22 (locked or unlocked) on the Three.ie network? If its not possible then I will go with @Caspero's solution.

Thanks very much for your help, its greatly appreciated.

No idea if a VOIP or SKYPE handset will work if plugged into the USB port. An analogue phone will only work with a seperate VOIP account, but only on a generic firmware as three have removed the VOIP settings completely.

CGNAT is basically a very strong firewall which assigns an internal IP on the user side and an external IP visible to all clients, this is why port forwarding will not work through the CGNAT, user and clients see different IPs.

Caspero · 08-04-2015 12:13am

TommyMacca wrote: »

I was unable to understand how this relates to me and my modem. I am a software developer, networks were never my strong point sorry, if you could explain please the implications.

The same with port forwarding. My only understanding of this, is you configure certain ports for certain applications/services e.g. port 80 is HTTP, port 21 is FTP, port 22 is SSH. etc. I believe this speeds up communications. If you could explain please the implications, I feel lost.

Port forwarding doesn't speed up communications. It facilitates them. A typical use case might be where a broadband user gets a fixed ip from say eircom. Now his router always has that ip. He wants to remote desktop in to one of his machines behind that router from somewhere else (like his office). How does router know which computer to forward the incoming remote desktop connection to? Using port forwarding. Remote desktop communicates say using port 5900. In advance, the user configures the router to forward port 5900 to the computer he wants to connect to using a port forwarding rule on the router.

Usually that works fine because the user has an Internet facing ip. However with cgnat, that isn't the case. Rather, it's kind of like multiple users are behind the broadband provider's 'router'. For remote desktop to work, the broadband provider would have to forward the port to the user's router, which they probably won't do.

Willyfxp understands this stuff better than me so if I'm wrong on any of the key points I apologise and he would be the man to correct what I've said.

U1v3r · 08-04-2015 1:33am

-=al=- wrote: »

(...)

The s-22 model is the best one, I think there's a few B593 models but the s-22 is the man to have.

(...)

After my mishap with Amazon I searched a bit more and found that there are a lot of versions with a lot of differences. Some noticeable (the "u" is blue in the middle, the "s" is grey; some have 2 USB ports, one on the back and one under the power button; the "s" only has one USB port on the back); others not so noticeable, like the 4G frequencies each one supports and the maximum download speed (some can achieve 150 Mb, others "just" 100Mb).

Here is an interesting link (I can't post links, so add http://) blog.hqcodeshop.fi/serendipity/index.php?REMOTE_ADDR=193.126.183.138&url=archives/127-Huawei-B593-different-models.html&serendipity%5bcsuccess%5d=moderate#feedback

The Huawei site doesn't have any usable info about the B593's versions or compatibilities.

And about the B593s-22 there is at least a "VN2". I don't know if there is a newer one. (what I know is that lots of sellers, on Amazon and eBay, are selling the older version).

niallb · 08-04-2015 1:59am

Anyone switching over to CGNAT at this stage is just messing around.
How hard would it have been to switch to IPV6 instead?
/Frazzled

WillyFXP · 08-04-2015 10:33am

niallb wrote: »

Anyone switching over to CGNAT at this stage is just messing around.
How hard would it have been to switch to IPV6 instead?
/Frazzled

Everyone has been aware that the IPv4 IP pool is reaching it's limit for years, it's only recently that ISP's and mobile providers have started to implement it, unfortunately some a lot slower than others. I'm not aware of any mobile provider in Ireland currently implementing IPv6.

niallb · 08-04-2015 12:05pm

This would be a brilliant thing to legislate for!
Ireland adopts IPv6 as part of our NBS phase 2.

I'm just saying it would be better to just have an IPv4 to IPv6 gateway and handout IPv6 addresses to the individual clients. That way people would be in a position to do end to end routing if they wanted to go to the trouble.

There is at least one small wireless provider who offers IPv6 routing on request
and don't make a big deal out of it.

I've just discovered that one of the remote desktop applications I need to use occasionally doesn't work any more either, as well as the ancient VPN tunnel that had me frazzled last night. It worked fine with a Tesco SIM until the merger.

TommyMacca · 09-04-2015 10:14am

OK Thanks Guys I appreciate your help.

Cheers.

carsQhere · 10-04-2015 8:34am

niallb wrote: »

Anyone switching over to CGNAT at this stage is just messing around.
How hard would it have been to switch to IPV6 instead?
/Frazzled

CGNAT is an IPv6 dodge but from the telco point of view it also has the handy advantage of keeping consumers in the dark while proxying all traffic across their networks. Your average Joe/Josephine will be none the wiser and consumer ignorance is bliss where telcos are concerned.

FWIW I've tested tunneled IPv6 over Meteor 3G from behind a CGNAT connection and I can see it from the real world Internet so there's always a way

EDIT: Anyone looking to access internal resources on CGNATed connections without going IPv6 might find Hamachi or Pertino worth a look.

niallb · 10-04-2015 8:47am

carsQhere wrote: »

FWIW I've tested tunneled IPv6 over Meteor 3G from behind a CGNAT connection and I can see it from the real world Internet so there's always a way

Hah, a project!
Did you use a broker, or were you able to ask Meteor for an allocation?
They peer with Eircom, so it should be possible.

carsQhere · 10-04-2015 9:36am

I used SixXS for tunnel brokerage. Meteor wouldn't allocate a v6 to a consumer according to their agent although CGNAT is apparently dual stack v4/v6 at the ISP level so make of that one what you will. AFAIK none of the mobile telcos do IPv6 allocation to subscribers but if anyone knows different I'm all ears

niallb · 10-04-2015 10:53am

That looks good. I'll give it a go.
I've solved the issue for a satellite link by installing openwrt on the router and making an openvpn tunnel to a minimal vps.
Portforwarding from that back through the tunnel gets me in to some cameras, though obviously it's slow to connect with the satellite latency.
Stream delivers well once it has connected though.
Unfortunately, that particular site has no mobile coverage at all, so I'll be checking the ipv6 tunnel out at home.
Thanks for the tip.

Cerco · 11-04-2015 6:54am

Anybody recommend any iPhone apps supporting the B593-s22 ?

WillyFXP · 11-04-2015 11:04am

Cerco wrote: »

Anybody recommend any iPhone apps supporting the B593-s22 ?

Don't really understand what you're asking. It's a router, there are no apps for it.

Cerco · 11-04-2015 5:35pm

I am aware it is a router and Huawei have apps for other routers in their range to allow quick and easy access to management functions.

WillyFXP · 11-04-2015 5:40pm

Cerco wrote: »

I am aware it is a router and Huawei have apps for other routers in their range to allow quick and easy access to management functions.

Think you are slightly confused, they dont have apps, they have web interfaces for management, they can be accessed from any web browser using the routers IP address. The only app huawei does is HiLink, and I have no idea if it has any functions to access the B593s.

Cerco · 11-04-2015 5:57pm

No confusion on my part.
I know , in common with all routers, they have a web interface.
Apps are commonly used for managing routers . Take a look in the App Store under Linksys, TP-Link or Netgear to see what is available. Huawei have an app called HiLink for supporting a range of routers. Unfortunately the B593 is not included although it does give some information e.g connection type 3G or 4G and signal level, number of connected devices.
These apps run on IPhone and iPad.

WillyFXP · 11-04-2015 8:27pm

Cerco wrote: »

No confusion on my part.
I know , in common with all routers, they have a web interface.
Apps are commonly used for managing routers . Take a look in the App Store under Linksys, TP-Link or Netgear to see what is available. Huawei have an app called HiLink for supporting a range of routers. Unfortunately the B593 is not included although it does give some information e.g connection type 3G or 4G and signal level, number of connected devices.
These apps run on IPhone and iPad.

It appears you have answered your own question then

Cerco · 11-04-2015 11:21pm

Not all apps appear on the App Store that is why I raised the question. Possible, some developer has one. That's it and thanks for your replies.

Cerco · 22-04-2015 9:20pm

I have a B593s-22 from Three. Quickstart guide shows usb port connected to printer. I have tried connecting printer without success.
I can connect a usb storage device successfully but printer is not visible.
Anybody got this working with a printer?

TheQuietBeatle · 26-04-2015 10:52pm

Is there a difference in download speed from Three's B593s to the one which can be bought online? I'm thinking of getting a new modem soon.

Is there any big differences between the two? (besides the VOIP option missing which I read about above).

homingbird · 02-06-2015 6:19pm

This seems a good deal if its for real.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-B593s-22-LTE-CPE-Router-150MBPS-4G-EE-O2-VODAFONE-3-THREE-COMPATIBLE-/131511620060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9eb411dc

Caspero · 03-06-2015 5:54pm

Edit post no longer needed, sorted what I was asking about.

robouden · 12-06-2015 2:26pm

Seems this thread does have many experts on the Huawei..:) I just bought a B593s-22 and it works fine on 3G here in Japan, but LTE (4G) does not work. It seems NTT Docomo runs on a different band. Anyone knows how to change so I can use LTE (4G) here in Japan?

regards
Rob Oudendijk

robouden · 12-06-2015 2:32pm

Seems this thread does have many experts on the Huawei..:) I just bought a B593s-22 and it works fine on 3G here in Japan, but LTE (4G) does not work. It seems NTT Docomo runs on a different band. Anyone knows how to change so I can use LTE (4G) here in Japan?

...more information( A subset of band 3, band 9 is intended for exclusive usage in Japan and is called "1700 MHz band" there. Devices that support E-UTRA band 3 also support band 9.)....

regards
Rob Oudendijk

irishpancake · 12-06-2015 6:32pm

homingbird wrote: »

This seems a good deal if its for real.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-B593s-22-LTE-CPE-Router-150MBPS-4G-EE-O2-VODAFONE-3-THREE-COMPATIBLE-/131511620060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9eb411dc

That costs another £11 delivery to Ireland.

That's £122/€170.

It costs £112 Free UK del. +PM (€3.90) [new item] delivery charge to Ireland here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009QW3ZG4

Around €160'ish, for a new device on Amazon.

AHireland2k11 · 16-06-2015 10:16am

-=al=- wrote: »

Someone here unlocked a 3 one and used the generic firmware, but I have absolutely no idea how or what was used.

The s-22 model is the best one, I think there's a few B593 models but the s-22 is the man to have.

I'd try and avoid the 3 branded one and just go for it unlocked from the box... just seems easier. It is a bit expensive but it seems like a future-ish proofed router and should last a while.

It's helped a lot of folks out on here with getting a half decent connection without a fixed bb service

You say to buy the unlocked version but then you cannot port-forward.

my3cents · 19-06-2015 12:19pm

AHireland2k11 wrote: »

You say to buy the unlocked version but then you cannot port-forward.

Why not

AHireland2k11 · 22-06-2015 11:36am

The unlocked version does not support port forwarding whereas Three's firmware does!

niallb · 22-06-2015 12:40pm

The one I got from Meteor was unbranded and unlocked, and also supports port forwarding.
Pity the address given by Meteor is natted, so port forwarding isn't possible, but it's nice to have!

Cerco · 22-06-2015 6:23pm

niallb wrote: »

The one I got from Meteor was unbranded and unlocked, and also supports port forwarding.
Pity the address given by Meteor is natted, so port forwarding isn't possible, but it's nice to have!

As stated , theis nat used by mobile operators is the issue with port forwarding. Not sure how useful it is with this limitation.

niallb · 22-06-2015 7:15pm

It's useful to have should a service offering a public IP ever come about.
As soon as we're all using IPv6 this will be the case!

-=al=- · 23-06-2015 2:04am

I thought you need a static ip for it to work since the network operators give out a bunch of ip's under their own local umbrella network thing!

Very unscientific but there was a lovely diagram posted explaining it all before but I can't seem to find it!

johnfc · 29-06-2015 1:23pm

hi,
hope you can help. bought a B593s from 3 last week. great download and upload speeds, good wifi strength, but the wifi keeps disconnecting several times a day and have to reboot to reconnect.checked settings as per huawei support and changed channel settings from auto to channels 6 and then 11 but the problem persists any advice would be appreciated.thanks

my3cents · 29-06-2015 1:30pm

johnfc wrote: »

hi,
hope you can help. bought a B593s from 3 last week. great download and upload speeds, good wifi strength, but the wifi keeps disconnecting several times a day and have to reboot to reconnect.checked settings as per huawei support and changed channel settings from auto to channels 6 and then 11 but the problem persists any advice would be appreciated.thanks

You sure its the Wifi (device to computer) connection thats dropping?

With three dropping the connection between the local mast and the device can be all too common. You can have days sometimes weeks when it works well then go through just as long with it cutting off at random intervals, needing regular reboots of the Wifi device to keep a connection.

johnfc · 29-06-2015 1:41pm

no, it definately the Wifi. get the message on phone, ipad and pc "no network found". have no problem connecting to 4g directly from my phone.

-=al=- · 29-06-2015 3:36pm

Did you try having connecting it to a device via Ethernet and seeing if it disconnects as often?

Or try using the other wifi networks on the router? You can have up to 4

johnfc · 29-06-2015 3:50pm

hi, it works fine over ethernet. on wifi while browsing it disconnects and says "no networks available". previously had a dovado tiny with a 3g usb dongle and had no issues.from googling the problem, others have had the same issue, but i have not found a solution... could it be a faulty router?
maybe its interferene by my phonewatch wireless alarm system.would trying more channels solve it?

my3cents · 29-06-2015 3:56pm

I'd say its a faulty router but I don't know how you'll go about proving that to those generous people that fall over themselves to help you at three.

They'll probably send it away for 4 weeks loose it for a bit and then return it in exactly the same condition - hope I'm wrong.

-=al=- · 29-06-2015 4:13pm

Yeah if you mention it to three they will ask you to turn it on and off 4 times stand on one leg and sacrifice a child at the next blood moon

When I was on three the service would cut off every once and a while but it does sound like more of a wifi issue. Did you try using more wifi networks on the router with the same/different settings or if the device is unlocked try a different mobile network carrier

johnfc · 29-06-2015 4:19pm

three would be a nightmare to deal with. dont fancy that. i have tried different wifi networks but still the same. i have it set on channel 11 since this morning and it has not disconnected yet (kiss of death) so will see how that goes.

my3cents · 29-06-2015 4:33pm

johnfc wrote: »

three would be a nightmare to deal with. dont fancy that. i have tried different wifi networks but still the same. i have it set on channel 11 since this morning and it has not disconnected yet (kiss of death) so will see how that goes.

Have you done a complete reset? I've had other routers behaving badly before and a reset has occasionally sorted the problem out.

Also WiFi uses a lot of power a good percentage of the total the unit uses as a whole so I'd try a replacement power supply. Is this the router that uses that USB B connector on the back for the power?

johnfc · 29-06-2015 4:44pm

did a couple of resets.it uses a standard 12v power connector.dont think its an issue with power, but if all else fails i will try that.

mpaton · 01-07-2015 3:00pm

WillyFXP wrote: »

I bought a three branded B593s, then unlocked it and debranded it, so yes, I can confirm the functions.
Firmware version:
V200R001B236D30SP00C00
Firmware build time:
Sep 30 2013 / 10:29:34

I just picked one up from 3 and it has later firmware (and maybe later hardware):

Model: B593s-22
Hardware version: Ver.B
Firmware version: V200R001B236D30SP01C25
Firmware build time: Jul 9 2014 / 15:50:53

It said there was no update available.
Both APNs give a non-public IP though.

I'm not sure yet if a public IP is available on 3 with PAYG.

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