Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

Put it this way. If waterford were in limericks shoes yesterday I wouldn't be happy. Cant blame them for appealling it.

It turns out the error was made by someone from hawk eye who set the camera on Hill 16 end on 'football mode'. Oh dear...

Mountainlad wrote: »

They were unaware that decision was incorrect according to their manager until after the game. They had enough of a chance to win it,. They didn't, end of.

Are we all going to look for replays now when a dodgy decision goes against us?

Say the match was played in Thurles, and is waved wide and its clear from tv replays its over the bar and the game pans out like the minor game yesterday. Would that team be awarded a replay? Under no circumstances. It was a bad call but in the end Galway deserved to win that game and it would be grossly unfair to have it replayed.

The bottom line is though that the game finished level after 60 mins and Limerick had a clear point disallowed. Whether they had the chances to win it or not is irrelevant as far as that is concerned. The difference in this scenario is that the GAA dont have to admit any error on their part. Hawk-eye have accepted responsibility so I think the GAA might actually grant the replay this time as their own ass is covered. The previous incidents mentioned while similar were errors by GAA officials and granting a replay would be an admission of a f**k up by them

You can see why Limerick are appealling it too, if a replay is granted the momentum will very much be with them. Imagine how deflated the Galway lads will be having thought they were on their way to the AI final in Croke Park on Sept 8th only to find that they mightened be now. Equally however it is rough on the Limerick lads after the efforts in getting to Croke Park to have something like that let you down on the biggest day of your life.

Look I hope it dosent go to a replay from a Waterford point of view as it wouldnt do us any favours the extra game will bring Galway on if they win and Limerick will be on a high going into the final if they were to come through, but I can definetly see this replay being strongly considered.

InchicoreDude wrote: »

In fairness, not one person sitting around me questioned it when "Miss" came up. And these were Limerick fans who questioned absolutely very other decision that went against them in the match! There is a difference between sitting in the comfort of your living room looking at the replay compared to being at the stadium looking at the big screen (e.g. you are a good distance away from the big screen for a start).

The reaction of the crowd indicated they thought it was over, but then when it came up as miss there was a groan, but no booing.

alllcounty wrote: »

Galway have come out and said they are not agreeing to a replay. I guess that's the end of the matter.

Far from it... Limerick have announced that they will be returning to training as normal tomorrow night

robopaddy wrote: »

Im sure he would drop everything in the morning if his native county came calling. But I think the co. board have pretty much told him in the past that they dont fancy him

Being honest, looking at the candidates I have to say that if Derek McGrath is not interested at this time then really there's not much alternative there. It would well end up a scenario where Michael Ryan is reappointed as bizarre as that sounds. I just don't see who else will take it out of the viable candidates and then the others that are having their name thrown around.

Jason Ryan= Can't see interest on either side
Peter Queally= Hasn't achieved an awful lot though Passage are going well
Kevin Ryan= Won't be offered the job
Jockser= Doubt he'd leave Carrigtwohill for the pressure and unhappiness this job currently holds, got a good deal there
Fergal= No way
Sean Power= Even if they win the minor I dont see it

And really after that theres not really many more names. I don't see Cusack in charge next year and not a hope with O'Grady and Sheedy either. Haven;t seen Chuck O'Connors name mentioned much but I wouldn't be in favour of him. Nor Paul Flynn either at this point.

We haven't exactly got an abundance of options.

hardybuck wrote: »

Given some of the names mentioned, I wonder would Colm Bonnar be useful in some capacity. Former Wexford manager, current WIT manager, living in Fenor.

Yea a candidate as much as any of the above, but noises arent great about him coming from a lot of players that have played under him.

premierstone wrote: »

Colm Bonnar or any of the names on the previous list are not an improvement on Michael Ryan and in alot of case's a step backwards, it makes the attempted ousting of Ryan all the more baffling.

Agreed, as I said still waiting for the outstanding candidate to appear.

While I'm not gonna say Derek McGrath is not a better manager than Ryan or question his potential (because I just don't really know), he's not really achieved all that (yet) to suggest we should have be going through all this just to have him on board.

premierstone wrote: »

If the rumours are true that there is a divide between East/West players which seems plausible and also of course you will have players who wanted Ryan to stay are they really going to accept McGrath?

Ideally you need an outside man, but between the fact that your county board is as broke as meself and none of the real top managers are available Waterford County Board really are caught between a rock and a hardplace.

To be fair though, they haven't helped themselves in the slightest here. Tom Cunningham saying they've had no contact with the players, and then Ryan says that the county board had contacted him telling him there was gonna be a meeting on the Sunday.

Then going straight to twitter to tell the world Ryan was resigning. Why like?

I would imagine Michael Ryan was told by Connors that the players had voted that it would be best that they parted ways. I would be surprised if the details of the meeting were disclosed. And I think Michael Ryan's decision to leave was based on thinking it was unanimous and better off, but then after received support from several players that made him feel that maybe he could still take the team on next year.

I also think looking at the Boards statement that they told him they wanted him to reapply too.

So I think it's between Ryan and McGrath and I wouldn't rule out Michael Ryan returning yet. Obviously the big problem with that would be if Ryan is in charge you will have rumours and media speculation of unrest in the camp which would hang over the team for the year.

Either way, we'll be massive favourites for relegation from 1A

premierstone wrote: »

Thats kind of my point though there is no better alternative and he is doing a good job, why change? Its the same as some Limerick fans calling for John Allens head after last Sunday.

He was found out a bit last Sunday though he was totally outfoxed by Davy on the sideline. He should have known the type of gameplan Clare would bring but didnt little or nothing to counteract it instead going for what won them the 2 games in Munster. Cant blame him for that I know, but Croke Park was always going to be a different story with different type of pressures than to the homecomforts of the Gaelic Grounds and they were caught very cold on the day. How they stood there looking at Hannon driving wide after wide before waiting until the second hlf before taking him off them is criminal as his apparant nervousness became infectious towards his teamates as well as the first half wore on. It obviously wasnt working for the lad and he should have been taken out of his misery after the 3rd one at the very latest. Then when Seamus Hickey went off injured they looked bereft of a Plan B and by the time they reverted to the usual strategy of bringing in players who are actually miles better than some of the players in the starting 15 it was too late.

When you compare that to what we are alleged to have gotten rid of poor Mick Ryan for then if anyone would be to get the boot it would be Allen. But the Limerick players are too respectful of their manager to go off undermining I would imagine

So many diversions it's amazing (and not a great thing in one respect, a great in another with relation to the minors) that there's so much talk here at this stage.

What do people make of the county championship thus far?

De La Salle clear favourites and hard to argue it. Impressive showings again this year and are coping well without Daniels. Dunno who's there to stop them, Lismore haven't been all guns blazing so far they';ll need to find another gear.

Outside of that a lot of the contenders have key injuries, Ballygunner appear to have lost Hutchison now having had erratic form over the last two years anyway, Mount Sion have lost O'Neill, and Fourmile are missing a few most notably Shane Walsh and remains to be seen can achieve fitness this year.

I don't see Dungarvan as outright winners, nor indeed Abbeyside despite quite a ressurgeance from them. Passage though are going very well. Lot of lads on County teams this year, coupled with having the likes of Kelly and Tommy Connors and even Conor Carey and they look a decent team. Bit late to be calling them dark horses given they're top of group 2 but they could well be there or thereabouts at the end.

Mountainlad wrote: »

Passage though are going very well. Lot of lads on County teams this year, coupled with having the likes of Kelly and Tommy Connors and even Conor Carey and they look a decent team. Bit late to be calling them dark horses given they're top of group 2 but they could well be there or thereabouts at the end.

Was thinking that myself, big chance for them this year as you say with a lot of other teams not going well with injuries and that. Kelly to be fair to him is unplayable when hes in the form hes in at the moment and if they could avoid DLS in the KO stages they are definetly capable of getting to a final and who knows after that

hardybuck wrote: »

I'd agree with the above. In a final the DLS players will be used to the occasion, and probably relish it at this stage. For teams playing them in the final, it can probably be a bit daunting. They've dished out trimmings in the last few county finals if memory serves me correctly.

Lismore proved that they can be caught off guard up to that point alright.

That's it really, they are winners and in a County final they have a chance to win trophies. The tedium of other games given they play so many means the same hunger wouldn't quite be there and they expect to be in finals.

They won't be bet in a final.

hardybuck wrote: »

Hard to see who'll do it though.

It is I guess in fairness, but we've had a plenty of upsets at this level before. A dodgy ref can have a big impact. And if DLS to go out, any of the quarter finalists could win it.

hardybuck wrote: »

Disappointing year for Dungarvan. Everyone expected them to push on after a great 2012, but I remember watching that final and wondering if the hammering might knock some of the young lads back, but 2nd year syndrome might be having some impact.

I feel Dungarvan are suffering from a lack of freshness in the Senior Championship, mainly due to the team being so young. There are lads like Gavin Power, Kevin Daly and Patrick Curran playing minor, u21 and senior for club and minor for county and some playing football also. Ryan Donnelly and the other three Currans also playing a lot of games and some football also I believe. They landed a tough group bar Roanmore, particularly with Abbeyside making good strides under Darragh Duggan. Should be a great game next Sunday but if it comes down to tit for tat hurling I think Dungarvan will have the edge.

Hard to see beyond De La Salle for county, simply too much quality there. Lismore could still have a run if they make quarters, I would give them a good chance against Mount Sion or Passage.

Feel De La Salle are a bit shaky in full back line and will be punished if they progress to Munster.