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kostal2093 wrote: »

That is a lovely watch but I am not sure of the 'AUTOMATIC' on the dial. I love Panerai and think the Radiomir 946 is a nicer watch - P.4002 automatic movement, 45mm and beautiful Mediterraneo blue dial. In addition, the 946 is limited to 388 pieces and not much more expensive to the Luminor (considering what you get). I have both and prefer the Radiomir - but that is just my opinion.

i like radiomirs too but not the 1940s case which is a hybrid of both the luminor and the radiomir.

mine is the 1950s case which is an evolution of the luminor,

the 946 is nice but bit too much going on on the dial for me.

kostal2093 wrote: »

I don't know how you can describe the 1940s case as a hybrid of the Luminor/Radiomir - considering the Radiomir 1940 case was in existence before the Luminor case! The clue is in the dates. The current 1940 is a throwback to the Radiomir case whichwas sandwiched between versions with the wire lugs.
The Radiomir is much classier in my opinion and more suitable for formal wear. The Luminor is the perfect weekend watch and ideal with jeans/t-shirt etc but not the best look with a suit. There is the story in one of the forums of the interviewee seeing the middle aged interviewer wearing a Luminor and deciding there and then that that was not who he wanted to work for !
As I say, I am a big fan of Panerai and have both models - I just cannot get my eyes to avoid seeing 'automatic' on the dial and that (along with the more superior movement/better blue dial/limited edition) is why my preference is for the 946.
For what purpose is the work 'automatic' necessary to be printed so prominently on the dial of the Luminor - it ruins the watch - again in my opinion

i know it came before the luminor, but it came after the radiomir, to my eye its a mix of the two.

and i dont think any panerai is really appropriate to wear with a suit (ive owned a number).

i dont mind the extra text on the dial (after all it is an automatic!), it looks a lot better to me than a power reserve and faux lume, but thats the beauty of watches, we all like something different.

if i was buying a blue dialled 1940s it would be the 690.

kostal2093 wrote: »

I had to read that first line a few times - so the Radiomir came after the Radiomir which was a mix of a Luminor that wasn't in existence at the time!. I think I know what you mean though but it is at total variance with your initial comment. There is a big difference in stating the 1940 case is a hybrid rather than 'looking' as if it is. Personally, I see no issue with wearing a Radiomir/leather strap with a suit - many do and it does not look inappropriate at all - even moreso if it has a blue dial. It would certainly be a boring world if all watches were made the same or people hadn't opinions on same. Personally, I would only purchase another Luminor once it has a domed crystal. Something like the 233 - but not much good if looking for one with an automatic movement. Similarly, not much use getting a 690 if your preference is for an automatic movement. And if I was getting an automatic movement it would be P400X - anything else is inferior in my opinion

i had a 233, it was far too unwieldy to wear with any sort of long sleeve so it didnt last too long, and as for a debate around movements i understand they are important to some, personally its not something i get too hung up about as long as i like the look of the watch and it fits well,

sure the micro rotor is cool, but i dont spend that long looking at the back of my watch, even less so the 1313 as its a solid caseback

to add i wouldnt trade my 1313 for a 946 in a straight swap even though the 946 retails for more, it just doesnt do it for me.

kostal2093 wrote: »

Looks like I hit a nerve and yes - I will stick around. You should be glad I will as after today, you have at least learned that the 1940 case is not a hybrid between a Radiomir and a Luminor !!! How you came up with that is beyond me. I do not know why you keep mentioning about a trade - do you honestly think there is someone out there that would do such a trade. I wouldn't trade my 946 for any other Panerai but that is my prerogative and is based on my opinion. But I totally respect others opinion to the contrary. No superiority complex - just an opinion. I am sure I am entitled to that or do you regard yourself as so knowledgeable and privileged that any other opinions are irrelevant? I hope not but the fact you got rattled speaks volumes.

You really havent, i was trying to be nice,

if i can be more blunt,

i dont really like the 1940s case and added to that i dont like the 946 (on dial power reserves are a bug bear of mine). i wouldnt buy one. Ive owned about 10 different panerai down the years and what ive learned is i like the radiomir case and i like the current version of the 1950s case, the other case types havent worked for me personally as a longer term ownership experience.

You came in here to basically tell me how amazing your watch was compared to mine but you seem offended that i dont agree.

not quite sure what your agenda is but as i said lose the complex and get involved, its a friendly forum.

btw im not the only one who views the 1940s case as a radiomir , luminor hybrid, which is what it looks like regardless of the history (which is basically irrelevant as that panerai no longer exists)

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/new-panerai-radiomir-1940-3-days-gmt-automatic-watches-sihh-2016/

https://theoandharris.com/shop/vintage-watches/panerai-radiomir-1940/

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/introducing-the-panerai-radiomir-1940-3-days-automatic-a-new-in-house-micro-rotor-caliber

Fitz II wrote: »

Fun conversation, and I do love the Panerai naming scheme. All the PAM number make it so accessible and interesting to outsiders.

im sure there is some logic to it, but ive never figured out what it is :P

kostal2093 wrote: »

On dial power reserves are a bug bear and yet you owned a 233! I came on here to give my opinion - nothing more and nothing less. I said I didn't like the use of the word 'Automatic' on the dial of your Luminor (I also had same watch but sold it to a work colleague). I mentioned AS AN OPINION that the watch does not compare to the 946 which I also own and is not comparable from a quality/spec point of view. You raised a counter argument dissing the 946 - perfectly entitled to do so. However, do you realise that putting in a comment that you wouldn't accept a swop despite acknowledging the price differential is derogatory - it was not that anyone offered a swap. It would be akin to me offering someone a Ford Focus to their BMW X5. It is insulting. There is no one anywhere offering such a swop. As I said enjoy your watch - I didn't for reasons stated. And as for 1940 case being a hybrid - Jesus wept. When you added 'history doesn't matter' - Jesus again wept.
As for getting involved on this forum - that is what I am doing. I certainly wont be told how to act on the forum or do I need to get your approval in advance for anything I post? And, just to confirm - no complex here. Just a normal guy who lioes watches but hates waffle and BS. But above everything - hates patronising and smarm. I tell it as it is and whoever doesn't like it can filter

I sold the 233, even though its variation of the power reserve is more pleasing than whats on the 946. So yes, its a bug bear

When i said i wouldnt swap on for the other i was merely reinforcing that i really dont care for the aesthetic of the 946, so it wouldnt be for me, you seem to have taken it as a personal affront. You must be one of these panerai enthusiasts ive read about! i like them as a watch but only ever own one at a time and im not into the 'scene' but seems like you might be.

And you are over egging it a little with your ford focus bmw x5 (thinly veiled insult) but again i dont care, its just one of the watches i own, i enjoy it for what it is.

Jesus must be very sad, as i pointed out to you, numerous outlets refer to the case as a hybrid so why dont you run along and educate them. And do you disagree that the original panerai no longer exists? in its richemont guise its not what it was historically, its just another brand in a stable. Some of the original staff went and set up anonimo.

last thing, if you hate patrionisng and smarm so much it would be great if you practiced what you preached. Ive been posting here a long time, i dont think anyone else whas ever accused me of that, yet you with 5 or 6 posts do.

anyway if you really want to get involved post up your watches and introduce yourself instead of trying to wind me up