Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Anyone hear of a venue for Cork hurling challenge ,two weeks time v limerick senior hurling ,please?

On in Charleville I think

The dual issue must be confronted imo for us to be a success .
Its seems jbm is fine,shown by the quick fire announcement of hurling panel two days after the league,with 3 dual players,when he should have waited til football was over so he could review it.This talk that he and cuthbhert call the shots,i dont buy.Jbm is in control,laid down the gauntlet,im happy with it Brian ,ball is your in court ,believing cuthbhert wont go against him.As soon as Cuthbhert hinted he was
against it and maybe to call a halt to it ,Jbm says in the he is fine with the dual code and its working despite cadogan starting just 1 game,walsh 2 and cahalane 1. Cuthbert is in a positon to end it now.If he doesnt it is going to greatly hinder the team ,as cadogan walsh are vital to Cork .
ALAN cadogan could and likely to be with the footballers in may .Jbm named a panel with 3 dual stars in it .




Calling a halt next year is not imo,Simply Not good enough,we don't need a year to tell us what is clear as day ,Dualism cant work.Thats always been a major problem in cork ,failure to rectfiys things fast and go in the hope it may be okay,despite clear ,evidence to the contary,but take too much time making a decison .Gavin didnt need a year to decide,he never left the idea get airborne, Or gather momentun.We tried ,and it failed.For the good of both cork teams,it must be ended ,and its likey to be there for the championship .

To say cuthbert will call its halt next year doesnt add up imo,as next year is wasting a year ,and if he doesnt stand up to it now,no guarantee next year be any different .Jbm is 100 pent for it ,and despite it not working sees its as fine.


Eoin keane fair play gave up the football and went hurling alone.Yet he could find himself ,behind a dual star,yet keane was played out of position against tipp .Some lads,killan murphy example must be gutted,started 4 games,a challenge v tipp and played great all year dropped and dual stars ahead him defence .Its not fair ,in fairness.
I have no problem with ruthless,i admire it ,but it must be fair and equal to each panel member .
I have been sceptical to the idea dualism bar walsh from day one ,and have seen nothing to change my mind since.And walsh seems to be suffering a lot more injuries,so its doubtful he can make it in both .

CORK SENIOR FOOTBALL TEAM TO PLAY DUBLIN - UPDATE 11/04/2014
The Cork Senior Football team for Sunday's game will line out as follows:

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
3. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
4. Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
5. James Loughrey (Mallow)
6. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
7. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
8. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
9. Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere)
10. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
11. Donncha O’Connor (Ballydesmond)
12. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
13. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
23. Colm O'Neill (Ballyclough)

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. John McLoughlin (Kanturk)
18. Alan Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
19. Kevin O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
20. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
21. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
22. Micheal Ó Laoire (Naomh Abán)
15. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
24. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
25. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
26. Seán Dineen (Castlehaven)

Brian Cuthbert originally made two changes to the team for Sunday’s League Semi-Final: Donncha O’Connor and Daniel Goulding replace the injured Colm O’Driscoll and Barry O’Driscoll. In a further late change however, Colm O'Neill replaces John Hayes, who has not trained all week due to a hamstring strain.

Aidan Walsh and John O'Rourke, who were initially injury concerns, have recovered sufficiently to take their places on the bench.

The following players were not considered due to injury: Eoin Cadogan and Donal Óg Hodnett (both hamstring), Barry O’Driscoll (broken thumb) and Colm O’Driscoll (calf). There’s also good news for Ruairi Deane, whose surgeon has confirmed that his knee injury does not now require surgery, and who will return to training following another two weeks of rehab.

The Dublin team has also been named: Stephen Cluxton (Parnells), Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna), Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes), Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams), James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams), Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes), Kevin Nolan (Kilmacud Crokes), Michael Dara Macauley Ballyboden St. Enda's), Tomás Brady (Na Fianna), Jason Whelan (Ballymun Kickhams), Alan Brogan (St. Oliver Plunkett's Eoghan Ruaidh), Diarmuid Connolly (St. Vincent's), Kevin McManamon (St. Jude's), Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge Street), Paddy Andrews (St. Vincent's).



Now I see both teams,with our very strong bench ,we Can win Sunday ,if and only if,management act fast and make the right changes if clancy and midfield struggle.


Galvin,cronin are great options.
Sullivan v o gara,well able for an inconistent and temparmental ,O gara
Shields has the strength and temparment for Mcnemammm.If management put clancy on him,its poor judgement .


Paddy andrews ,clancy should be okay as he suits clancy,however dorman was suited by quinlvan in u21 yet struggled,simply because as gifted talents both are,both arent comfortable in the full back line.


Connolly is a gifted player,hugely questionable discpilne,cahalane must do what he did to callian in hurling,give him plenty,and has pace for him .


Kelly test is brogan.A great test for our centre back.Kelly has it all,has he pace ??6 o clock tell that sunday
Loughrey should be okay for Whelan

Mcculey could dominate with brady.Gould if he steps up ,were fine ,i worry re hes partner .


James mccrthy and collins is a close call
Donnacha should be okay and is great link man ,and hes hold up play well and nolan is with him.
I expect cian,as he has the pace,and great player mark our ace Kerrigan .Kerrigan I have no fear with.


goulding must step up ,and he has a huge game against cooper to perform.
Great colm starts,should have in the ist place ,and takes pressure of Brian ,as you cant double team brian,with colm and goulding .

Colm could take carroll to the cleaners and hurley on phily,is advantage the cork man.
That dublin unit is weak ,yet to expose them we must get an even share of possesion at midfield ,so its vital if were struggling we bring laoire or dinneen.


Dinnen is a grounded young man,and brave he could be thrown in at the deep end and survive.

Im very confident seeing both teams now we can push them al the way and if management are shrewd its winnable as that isnt dublin strongest team .

Hes good enough Archer without a question to start against limerick or clare in the Pairc or to get a half.Was great in sigerson ,against Potent midfielders like ,Mccauley .


Hes has it all,athleticism,power,mobilty,fields well,and kicks intelligently and accurate,isnt just a ball winner,hes a footballer through and through.Watch the lad in two wks time ,he always has head up looking to of load.Has a bravery and hunger.

The one disadvanatge,is he up against o sheas etc,serious expierence ,to make a real impact straight away,however to get expierence,you must play game.


Wouldnt start him against kerry but would have him matchday panels .


Dinneen would be in the fray imo for kerry ,as laoire isnt likely to be .

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hes good enough Archer without a question to start against limerick or clare in the Pairc or to get a half.Was great in sigerson ,against Potent midfielders like ,Mccauley .


Hes has it all,athleticism,power,mobilty,fields well,and kicks intelligently and accurate,isnt just a ball winner,hes a footballer through and through.Watch the lad in two wks time ,he always has head up looking to of load.Has a bravery and hunger.

The one disadvanatge,is he up against o sheas etc,serious expierence ,to make a real impact straight away,however to get expierence,you must play game.


Wouldnt start him against kerry but would have him matchday panels .


Dinneen would be in the fray imo for kerry ,as laoire isnt likely to be .

Fully agree about Maguire - I saw him for the u21's last year and he looked to have something about him but he's come on a ton in a year.

He has all the attributes but what I really like about him is when he gets possession you relax in the knowledge that he will use the ball well - I don't think he turned over a ball v Tipp. He always takes the sensible option too - he seems to have great vision - he's the most promising MFer we've produced since Aidan Walsh and I can see them play a lot of games together.

The 2013 and 2014 U21's will produce an exceptional amount of good IC players - Cubby is going to have a job accomodating them all.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Superb bravery,courage,will and footballing talent ,i mean real skill,by Cholaiste Cholim,awesome one point win all ireland champions.What a way to win a final.
They again came from down by 4 points.credit them again ,great characther.


As o shea said another kerry coach guide a cork schools to win an all ireland ,the lads graduated today in football.well done to all.


17 stars but lordan at 6,fintan o tooles brother ronan,aron raw ,were excellent.


Sean o donughue great leadership as captain ,and cian kiely was creating a lot .
What a week for sean and cian,the Kiely brothers,munster and all ireland champions.Well done lads.Cian looks a lively prospect at minor.


Sean,a great speech, he will bring that desire,hunger to the minor hurlers.A great talent .
And what a goal by super sub hyland,as good a goal to win any final.


Great to beat Bertie Ahern school and huge favs ,with 4 minor and a u21 hurler .The former school of ,goulding,paddy kelly ,ciaran sheehan ,miskella,noel galvin .They have a rich past heritge,butColaiste cholm have future cork stars here.
Celtic and irish international ,Colin healy went there .(gaa links,grandfather Paddy won 1945 football all ireland,and hurling in 1946.

A school that has many different sports ,great to see them beat a strong dublin school where GAA is to the fore,and Croke Park is close by .Todays ,game was like David v Golliath .But theCork boys stood tall at the end.,


5 from eire og,3 from ballinora and 3 from From inniscarra,two from ballincolig ,and one each from canovee and kilmurry ,credit to Muskery,6 different clubs represented.Good week for Inniscarra,two starters on the Cork minor hurling team .

Great interview,by Sean the captain afterwards,he saw Ghrahm canty lift Sam maguire in 2010 ,and he wanted to climbs steps of croker .A yound lad with real drive and ambititon.And that real cork confidence,he said we let them get a lead ,we knew we beat them anway when asked bout the slow start in the interview.It was just an innocent ,answer,he meant in a funny way showing that cork Wit ,when the intreviewer asked him why they started slow.A great answer,to the question.A cork type answer.

My man of the match,Liam collins,what a link man ,between defence and attack.Selected at 10,he was everywhere.Hes kickpassing in the tackle and array of passing was excellent.Always demaned the ball,and unselfish work,set up many cork scores and won many frees.
He looked the gooch in ginger hair,but was like the gooch,a focal point for hes team


Again wonderful talent as good anything in the Country in Cork .
What makes it sweet is ucc freshers and ghobthnan,and now Cholaise cholm were coached by kerry men ,predomintly cork teams full of talent,reached promised land scoil ghobthnan had 13 cork men and two kerry men last week.
Kerrymen the masters of the game,helping develop our underage stars of future.

Great year for Cork schools football,3 cork teams in Corn mhuirI quater final,rochestown u 16 all ireland final ,ghobtnan winning and now ,Choilm all irelands.

Great report, Thinkstoomuch.

It's ironic to see so many Kerry Coaches contribute to Cork Underage Football - I can't wait to see Tomas O Se's young lads wearing the red jerseys.

Some week for the Kiely Family alright - Parents must be as proud as punch.

I saw the O Donoghue lad at MF for the minors on Wed Evening - he's a lovely hurler too - another lad that has a choice to make on the dual issue.

Gary Neville wrote: »

Great report, Thinkstoomuch.

It's ironic to see so many Kerry Coaches contribute to Cork Underage Football - I can't wait to see Tomas O Se's young lads wearing the red jerseys.

Some week for the Kiely Family alright - Parents must be as proud as punch.

I saw the O Donoghue lad at MF for the minors on Wed Evening - he's a lovely hurler too - another lad that has a choice to make on the dual issue.

Is that a certainty that O'Se's young lads will play with Cork ? I know he has said he prefers living in Cork as he isn't under the spotlight like he would be in Kerry but would he take them back to play with Kerry at some point ?

Anyway I would agree with TTM that Collins was the MOTM. While a lot of the Choilm players grew into the game especially in the second half this lad had a blinder for the full 60. Great energy, workrate, use of the ball and played the modern wing forward to a tee. They were hanging on a bit in the end and if Aidans had a reliable free kick taker extra time/replay would have been on the cards. However all teams make their own luck so congrats to all involved with Choilm on their win.

An awful loss.Won a ist half that had no intensity.destroyed in the 2nd half .
management made. Poor calls bar o rourke .


Management is like I said,reason we could loose.
Doc and colm shouldnt been taken off


Andrew fine ist half,dublin went short in is half ,and didnt do long kickouts
Now dublin dominate us there


Gould great game ,Andrew nowhere be seen 2nd half


Clancy lasted hour before taken of


Managenement woeful calls and like I said had to act fast to win game

We lost a game we should won


Laoire,dinneen got no game time

Huge doubts remain mangement tactictal nous


Now andrew taken of,tom clancy aint a midfielder is on


Midfield reason the we lost .This was bound to happen

Imagine dub played 2 halfs ,and that 2nd m for them with a few out

Huge ?? Marks like I always said re management ability read a game

This was lost on the sideline


Ist half was fine,but that was down to dublin going short ,almost every time kickout.We were let play.Gavin made changes.Cuthbert made awful changes .When dublin played we couldnt stay with them.people may be happy re ist half but a game is won at end 70 minutes whos ahead.Nothing to be pleased about in the end.

Cork management was like a novice chess player ,in st game,picking of pawns of opponent and think I get all he pieces forgetting basic concepts of a game ,check make the king.
Then the real master has enough,saw what he had to and played a tactical game and went for juglar and in simple moves ,game over.


Cuthbert was that naive today,smiling away forwards fine open game,but he forgot basic concept of modern game,a midfield wins you the game .

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Nothing to do with characther players or heart etc

Lost cleary by 15 picked and subs used

Management awful errors.[/QUOTE



Cannot agree with this statement at all. No surprise that this team and some members of it were absent against mayo and now against Dublin - 2 physical teams who are well able to squeeze. Cork have a lot of nice footballers and it is up to management with them to get them to ****ing toughen up for this level.
Cuthbert needs to show his metal, put it up to walsh and either drop him or stop the dual bull**** at this stage

I was in castlebar,and Cork showed ,,with mayo taking foot of the gas yes ,great heart in coming back from the dead,and fought for every ball ,and a great heart.What destroyed us was the ,mayo midfield tore us a new one.


Serious,serious problems have remained and do remain at midfield since the ist day and its a woeful indictatment of Cork management ,they Fail to recognise this,and worse still they exonerate the midfield after the derry game .
When Dublin wanted to win the game,they cleaned out our midfield.


Walsh isnt to blame,he cleary was injured .As deco said to take gould of midfield was awful.Why,cause as I said many time ,And nobody asks why,cuthbert has a unwarranted blinded loyalt to Andrew and he picks him ,and then faciltaes him in games.
Clancy isnt a midfieler.
Other clancy wasnt or never is a corner back,and he had andrews held then they allowed him to mark ,Mcenmann for a bit .

Forwards were fine,doc held up ball well and created a great point for hurley,got a point ,hurley and colm unmarkable and kerrigan the same.
Problem was got no ball.


Goulding was poor but ,left on too long.Jesus hayes for colm ,was awful.We need a warrior to win hes own ball,hayes isnt that type of player.


We have won against awful teams,westmeath,kildare.Beat derry,lucky to ,drew tyryone and beat a kerry team didnt want to know .


Dublin in croke park in march was a fine win,but mayo and today ,and tyryone game showed like I said in january ,have a huge advantage in the line we dont have.And I still believe kerry have a huge advantage ,as they have fitzmaurice.

Cuthbert has good attrrubtes in some aeras,but I greatly doubt hes tactial nous.This isnt a nee jerk reaction,i have said this all during the league as he has made some poor calls,but like he precdessor ,seems stubborn to a certain type player if he likes him ,and wont change him despite clear evidence showing he isnt up it ,and also like dorman,clancy ,playing players out of position.


Midfield I said would be the rock we could perish on ,and management still are blinded by it and many in media seem oblivous to it and never question or criticse us being poor in that aera .Every single game ,i have said we have midfield problems.Today was no suprise .

Kelly was very good at centre back and is a 6 for championship.At least they sorted that .But a lot of doubts remain .
Dinneen could have done 20 minutes so could laoire .What a joke.Nobody ?? Cuthbert why laoire isnt played. You could not blame the lad should he walk away as hes wasting time training when he isnt getting a game.
Disgraceful treatment by management with him .

Fight and bottle was worth nothing to Counihan era when ,we were tactially beaten before a ball was kicked.Andrew sulli van ,is the main
example of heart and bottle having a great characer,big heart. Gets you only so far yet extremely limited,cant do hes basic job,win you ball.

Kerry as per the normal,and I said it last week would blow us up ,cinneide duly obliged yesterday ,cork on the verge of a special summer,yes we would be beat. He said but he expected a battle .A 17 point turn around is a huge setback to us .What I define as special,is a munster and or all ireland .We are no where near a munster unless management learm from mistakes .


Wait for two weeks before july ,and Kerry saying they fear cork ,and ,this is the best team in years and media blowing up cuthbiert as a messiah ,when he has done nothing to merit that yet.Has been tactically exposed in 4 games in the league


Hallorahn.-fine save ,yes kicked a ball over sideline,dnt blame him as he had like I had zero confidence in the midfield in the 2nd half

Shields-fine game.Broke up lot play and done well on mcnemaion,had to be taken of

Jamie sul-o gara suprisngly had him in bother,and he was at fault for the goal,however had good moments and just in hes 3rd game back.Not yet match fit


Clancy-had andrews held,then went on mcnemanon
Poor display.Blameless.Shouldnt play at 4.
Loughrey-soild ,and great going forward,under huge pressure like all in 2nd half due to dublin dominating middle and overlapping from there.He must be the physical player he was for antrim in ulster.


Kelly-superb,great compusure,never wasted a ball,always right place,and composed under pressure.Answered my doubts has to start at 6.

Cahalane,was good ist half,great kickpassing,in 2nd half on the backfoot.
Gould superb,in 2nd half when need was greatest,won vital ball and kicked great.Now I do believe he is becoming consistent.Has to start with walsh.However dont be suprised he starts at 7 or 12 as it Clear as day ,Andrew is a cuthbert favourite and a certain starter.

Andrew-people know my view.I sound like a parrot ,but cuthbert keeps picking the lad .

Collins-had a good game,worked hard ,and showed for the ball.
DOC-had a great ist half,involved in a lot ,great leadership.Looked very unhappy taken of and rightfully so.
He slowed the ball up ,at times when cork were panicking and then a great 40 yard pass to hurley for a point.needed that in 2nd half to take the pace out of the game,as dublin thrive on pace .

Kerrigan-worked and ran hard and created a lot.
Goulding-poor game today ,didnt sparkle at all.All we need is hayes to start ahead of him ,and were out of the frying pan in to the fire.
Goulding is a big game player,but I would drop him the next day only if donnach starts.

Hurley -around 6 from play ,unmarkable but must get ball.

Colm,gets a goal and four wins most ball yet in the 2nd half when he gets no ball,We bring on Hayes,we need a game changer in a battles,colm should stayed on.


The key difference in the ist half ,is seen by dublin going short with kickouts.Cork retreated and pushed back and defended as they were happy with dublin taking ball out of defence ,it was slow build up.Andrew was in hes element,picking up breaks and laying of hand passes in space.Dublin attacking ploy was telegraphed.


2nd half cluxton went long and mcauley cleaned up in the middle,despite cork trying to swarm breaks with kerrigan etc, we couldnt get a sniff,as besides gould ,we couldnt win clean aerail ball.

As soon as Dublin won it,they broke the tackle and as cuthbert had withdrew two half forwards to try and win midfield,when a player like laoire or dinnen were the answer ,dublins now free half backs ran at pace from midfield and created overlaps that caused us huge problems and in truth our half back line had no hope .

Its wrong and a serious mistake if this huge loss,we didnt get a performance even ,is put down to a young team ,naivety ,lack of hunger etc,when the real problems were poor management calls ,and I said it today Clancy and sullivan would be in trouble and management had to act fast.They didnt.

Compare that management display to u21 management and you see real tactical nous.And while that u21 set up have failed to sort out the full back position,they to be fair havent many options .

Cuthbert has no excuse .Absoultey none for the midfield shambles .
And dualism to get walsh fit must be ,but wont be ended.
Dublin didnt show up in the ist half and with a weak team ,turned a 10 point deficit to a 7 point win.It was a dissaster ,lets be honest .Dublin had 5 real stars out.We had close 11 starters.Cadogan being fit wouldnt made huge difference in corks major problems werent at 3.

Colm and barry driscoll werent huge losses either to the team.
O rourke was good when he came on but ,goulding should have went off ,with Donnacha moving inside.

Minor team to play limerick in the football
’Driscoll (Castlehaven)
2. Cian O’Donovan (Clonakilty)
3. Kevin Flahive (Douglas – Captain)
4. Sean Powter (Douglas)
5. Tom Bushe (Ilen Rovers)
6. Daniel Meaney (St. Michael’s)
7. Cian Kiely (Ballincollig)
8. Sean O’Leary (Bantry Blues)
9. Brian Coakley (Carrigaline)
10. Sean O’Donoghue (Inniscarra)
11. Michael Dineen (Naomh Abán)
12. Seamus Ronayne (Clyda Rovers)
13. Shane Kingston (Douglas)
14. Michael Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Damien Buckley (Ballyclough)

Subs
16. Anthony Kidney (Passage West)
17. Alex Hassett (Ilen Rovers)
18. John Mullins (Eire Óg)
19. Michael Lordan (Ballinora)
20. David O’Neill (Mayfield)
21. Chris Moynihan (Gabriel Rangers)
22. Gary Murphy (Castletownbere)
23. Michael Cottrell (Newmarket)
24. Martin Collins (Kilmacabea)

Only two of the Cork Minor Football team that lost out to Tipperary in the 2013 Championship will start against Limerick on Wednesday night – Castlehaven’s Michael Hurley, brother of Senior star Brian, and captain Kevin Flahive. The three seventeen-year-olds on the starting fifteen, Seán Powther, Shane Kingston and Tom Bushe, have all come up through the Rebel Óg Academy, featuring on last year’s U16 Development Squad. Daniel Meaney and Seán O'Donoghue, who captained Coláiste Choilm to win the All-Ireland Post-Primary Schools Senior B Final on Saturday, started for the Cork Minor hurlers against Kerry in this year’s Championship, while Martin Collins and Shane Kingston are also on the hurling panel. Cian Kiely also played on the All-Ireland winning Coláiste Choilm team on Saturday.

Additional Panel Members
Eoin O’Sullivan (Douglas)
Conor Nolan (Castlehaven)
Ronan Walsh (Castlehaven)
Andrew Joyce (Youghal)
John Fintan Daly (Knocknagree)
Cathal Crowley (Millstreet)
Ian O’Callaghan (St. Finbarr’s)

Management: Donal O'Sullivan (Castletownbere) - Manager, Tom Dorgan (Ballincollig - coach), Michael Comyns (St. Finbarr's), Andrew McCarthy (Inniscarra), Paul Holland (Argideen Rangers).

Good talent there but Kiely at 7 is one positonal change of many I dont agree with .He was good yesterday as a 14,yet we play him at 7.See my concerns with this management team .

Ronayne ,a hurler u17 winner last year,trained minor hurlers earlier in the year ,isnt a half forward.A fine player.
Mike lordan ,superb yesterday against a dublin minor yet a sub.If its down to he needs a break ,fair enough.
Kingston is a great talent but I think he is a better half forward.

Should win against limerick,but theres four lads not here that should be .Not inspired by this management and there selection hasnt changed my mind .




FAO OF yom tea 98


I never said it had nothing to do with the players .I said the players HEART ,and CHARACTHER isnt the problem .
As in andrews case.
The problem is clearly at management door for picking a lad do a job he simply can.
CLancy hastheart of the the lion ,yet played out of out positon .

Dublin dominated possesion 80/20 second half ,had nothing to do with heart or characther .we hadnt the players with the skills to win a vital aera.There is a difference.

My reply was to ,a post that said ,we had no mental fortuide and lost it on that.That isnt the case .


Some players have all the will in the world,but are limited.Its management that pick them over and over again .You dont blame the players then .Managenent hold the key ,and I always said that .

I would have taken DOC off I thought he slowed down the attacks something fierce. Clancy looked to struggle at corner back and I don't think that position suits him

Aidan Walsh was very poor though and I wouldn't overly judge the subs or team picked really I reckon they have to go by how training is going and how the players are. I reckon there is a lot of positives to take into championship for cork

Id seriously 100 per disagree any personal comments people make re,Andrew,and I have always criticised him, but Purlely as a footballer.

Not that it matters but Hes a carpetnter by trade and a superb craftsman by all accounts.

Problem is andrew is asked by management play a game he simply cant and that is management fault .

Wait til he starts against kerry ,they are waiting for him .

He has always had weak aeras to he game and isnt at that stage of hes career going to improve to intercounty level.


I would agree with jamie,poor for the goal,however just back and of match fitness he has a defence.

Had a good ist half great point,o gara was a hand full


We dont need to panic if management read the game,learn from mistakes.If they dont ,huge concerns.Thats my worry.The post match interviews tell there perception of events today.

Midfield is like a foundation of a house.weak base,its fine sun,dry day.First sign of stormy weather,slowly cracks appear.If it aint fixed,cracks get bigger and bigger,then House falls down .Cork house fell down as we had no foundation.
Were not that bad,but you CANT COMPETE WITHOUT A MIDFIELD .



Today backs were under wave of wave of attack and bound to crumble and how can forwards score with no or slow ball .
Its two fold problem ,a sub standard midfield causes .

The crux of Corks problem against mayo,2nd half against the oak leaf men ,today ,and tyrone has been midfield.


As regards,we cant read too much in to what team was picked,i have to ,strongly dissagree.

Im sorry ,but doing it in training is no good and doesnt cut it ,if in countless games players fail to do it .

I say it again,Naughton was fastest man ,in cork hurling training,best touch,but couldnt do it white heat of championship.In this case,heart and will for battle were the problems.

In the case of football,its simple really,lads asked do job they cant do.


What good is Andrew performing fine in training in banteer or Skib,or Dunmanw.y in a small ptich against gould etc,when he cant do it against All Star quailty midfielders in intercounty .This training lark,counihan ,had as gospel and it didnt add up ,as he picked walsh at 11 ,and kissane ,etc cause they flew it at training.
Sorry but our training is not like in clare or kk.
Andrew has in fairness ,hes fair share of chances.
Surely people agree ,dinneen,or deane ,or laoire at Least deserve two games see are they better.They cant be any worse .

I'm very surprised that you thought O Halloran had a good game, Thinkstoomuch.

He made 1 great save but his kick-outs were the worst I've ever seen. I didn't think he could kick as badly as he did in Killarney last year but he was far worse today. I'd say the stats are woeful. He'll be embarrased when they do the video analysis. Ken is gone if he doesn't sort this out.

For me, the only Cork players that did themselves justice were Shields, Paddy Kelly, Kerrigan, Hurley - I wouldn't place any blame on guys returning from injury - Jamie Sull, Cahalane and Colm O Neill.

Jamie Sull made a crucial mistake giving the ball away for their goal. I thought the penalty was harsh and we were unlucky for their goal but we were well beaten. Hard to know whether this will have a serious impact on our confidence.

Maybe we have to make allowance for AW - he had a hand injury but he seems to lack confidence.

We won't win sam this season but we have made a lot of progress - management are still learning too and this was a good lesson.

It wouldnt cause ,Canty and kissane,arent akin to fast kicking ball movement.
Kissane too lateral,slow on the ball and like rubgy league runs in to contact and doesnt have spatial awarness.An athlete,not a pure footballer.
Canty would do at 3 alright,but thats not a problem for cork .
Noel would be fine ,only one at half back.
Alan o connor ,wouldnt have the pace ,and Nicholas,great servant,however kerry had hes number.
Pearse would be ,i agree in hes day great there .

I certainly wouldnt want carey ,2010 form at corner back.
There is nothing wrong with our 1-7 once we get the balance right and let young lads grow.I cant believe the dismay and negativity re our players ,when talent is there,but wrong team was pickem.
People got carried away with all ireland talk,and now were getting a view were worse than we are.
Today was always on the cards.
Managements naivety and a real lack of Even one expierenced ,proven track record man in there is clearly coming to the fore.


Thats why I advocated Gene o driscoll should been a selector.Ciaran,davis ,etc no expierence.
Ciaran though may be okay .
Compare our management to Tyryone,Dublin ,Mayo and kerry .
Were miles of in expierence.
When cuthbert got the job,i said it,key was the selectors.
Sean hayes,got the job ,brought in Gene at u21.People must realise against Harte,gavin and horan ,our management have been outthought.
Forget bout kerry,they didnt want to know in the 2nd half.Thats wasnt the Real kerry.
What they have is a proven management in Munster at least .

He had nothing to aim that.I judge him when he has a real midfield to aim at .
Gary,i have constantly,despite people refusing to say it,said we had a sub standard midfield,every game since feburary.Iknew this day was coming,and said in my preview we would only win ,if we acted fast at midfield.I can see it,many others can,so A Cork manager should see it.Simple ,its there job ,at the end of the day .

I have to dissagree.How are management Learning ,when it takes 8 games show midfield is in dire straits yet Andrew starts all bar one,and half backs are played as corner backs.

How long do want to give management to learn.This is a simple game .Everyone see we have huge problems at midfield,you say management are learning.


Were in April,championship is upon us.Yes they are new,no excuse for Repeated mistkes being made over and over again.This talk that we will rectify ,.it in july is like counihan reigme,based n a hope than a belief.

Hes team is set in stone ,12 lads I say .

Andrew is one of them .If he starts in may ,is Cuthbert still learning.
Today isnt being taken out of context.It shows serious flaws tacticajtlly and in the team that are 100per cent fixable,but you Cant fix it,you dont accept there is a problem.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He had nothing to aim that.I judge him when he has a real midfield to aim at .
Gary,i have constantly,despite people refusing to say it,said we had a sub standard midfield,every game since feburary.Iknew this day was coming,and said in my preview we would only win ,if we acted fast at midfield.I can see it,many others can,so A Cork manager should see it.Simple ,its there job ,at the end of the day .

I have to dissagree.How are management Learning ,when it takes 8 games show midfield is in dire straits yet Andrew starts all bar one,and half backs are played as corner backs.

How long do want to give management to learn.This is a simple game .Everyone see we have huge problems at midfield,you say management are learning.


Were in April,championship is upon us.Yes they are new,no excuse for Repeated mistkes being made over and over again.This talk that we will rectify ,.it in july is like counihan reigme,based n a hope than a belief.

Hes team is set in stone ,12 lads I say .

Andrew is one of them .If he starts in may ,is Cuthbert still learning.
Today isnt being taken out of context.It shows serious flaws tacticajtlly and in the team that are 100per cent fixable,but you Cant fix it,you dont accept there is a problem.

If Cork don't win Munster and make it to an All-Ireland final then I will agree with you and say that Cuthbert is out of his depth.

Here is my take. It's not easy to rid this team of Counihan's tactics and methods. That can not happen in a few short months. I can see that Cuthbert is trying to play a different style of football but it takes time to perfect. I'm prepared to wait. I may be wrong. Cork may suffer as a result in championship this year but I'm nailing my colours to the mast early on, and I'm going to give Cuthbert my backing for championship because I can see he's going in the right direction.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Id agree with that moral of the post archer,he is playing a game that is new ,and I dont blame of fault him for that ,i applaud him.
That isnt the problem or the game plan.My point is,he is totally loyal to Andrew ,and fails to recoginse the midfield issue,and also playing a half back in the corner.
That has zero to do with changing game plan ,or taking time,its a basic requirment that managememt team should say ,Clancy has had 4 games at corner back and been in trouble and midfield we have issues .
To a point we are heading in the right path,but were at a crossroads now.If they dont sort midfield,dualism and corner back we will remain at cross roads at best,at worse go backwards and wont go forward.

I'm not making excuses for Cuthbert or saying midfield wasn't a problem today. It was incredibly bad in the second half and management had no answer. What I will say is that I think Cuthbert will get it right eventually. I don't think Cork as a team in development can be judged on today!

I don't agree with you about this being down to management Thinkstoomuch.

There wasn't much they could do about MF IMO. The U21's are not being used so they can't consider Maguire or Kiely yet. AW has been injured. Dineen has only just joined the panel - we don't know why he didn't join earlier. Ruairi Deane looked like he would challenge but got injured. Management also hoped to have AOC available as maybe an impact sub.

We did very well against a highly rated Kerry midfield and Butcher has been playing fairly well. Colm O Driscoll won a lot of breaks in Tralee and he was a loss. Ken O Hallorans kick-outs were woeful and this compounded the problem - maybe management should have been aware of this weakness as he was poor in Killarney last year but it hasn't been an obvious problem up to now. I agree that Michael O Laoire should have been given game time - I don't know why he wasn't used in the league. Apart from trying O Laoire, I'm not sure what else management could have done.

We must also recognise that we had 3 defenders just back from long term injuries who were starting their 2nd games - this rustiness was a factor in Jamie giving the ball away that led to Dublin's goal - this was very unlucky too as the ball rebounded to McCauley when there was loads of Cork defenders nearby - it fell perfectly for him. When we have Cadogan, Dorman, BOD and Crowley all available then we'll have more options. Tom Clancy needs to be placed at 6 and see how he gets on.

We are in the middle of team rebuilding and someone said that's like rewiring your house with the electricity still connected - you are bound to get a few shocks.

I'd agree that Gene O Driscoll would have been a huge assett as Ciaran, Don and Owen are novices at this level but I'd say they are quick learners.

Gary Neville wrote: »

I don't agree with you about this being down to management Thinkstoomuch.

There wasn't much they could do about MF IMO. The U21's are not being used so they can't consider Maguire or Kiely yet. AW has been injured. Dineen has only just joined the panel - we don't know why he didn't join earlier. Ruairi Deane looked like he would challenge but got injured. Management also hoped to have AOC available as maybe an impact sub.

We did very well against a highly rated Kerry midfield and Butcher has been playing fairly well. Colm O Driscoll won a lot of breaks in Tralee and he was a loss. Ken O Hallorans kick-outs were woeful and this compounded the problem - maybe management should have been aware of this weakness as he was poor in Killarney last year but it hasn't been an obvious problem up to now. I agree that Michael O Laoire should have been given game time - I don't know why he wasn't used in the league. Apart from trying O Laoire, I'm not sure what else management could have done.

We must also recognise that we had 3 defenders just back from long term injuries who were starting their 2nd games - this rustiness was a factor in Jamie giving the ball away that led to Dublin's goal - this was very unlucky too as the ball rebounded to McCauley when there was loads of Cork defenders nearby - it fell perfectly for him. When we have Cadogan, Dorman, BOD and Crowley all available then we'll have more options. Tom Clancy needs to be placed at 6 and see how he gets on.

We are in the middle of team rebuilding and someone said that's like rewiring your house with the electricity still connected - you are bound to get a few shocks.

I'd agree that Gene O Driscoll would have been a huge assett as Ciaran, Don and Owen are novices at this level but I'd say they are quick learners.

Completly dissagree,noexcuse start andrew nearly all games

Do you realise Andrew is starter in may


Laoire was an option
Dinneen was fit for 15 minuter

Picking clancy was a shocking call at 4,cronin should played

forget bov kerry,jesus they had no interest that game 2nd half
Yesterday like tyrone,derry and Mayo we were destr6yed at midfield.

Happens once is accident but happened a lot of times its a trend,midfield is a issue
Team doesnt pick itself

Management does,and they picked the wrong team and made awful changes bar o rourke