Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

!! English HL 2015 - ALL things HL English, predictions, discussion etc.

2456717

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Blue giant


    Amortisation schedule for maths
    Hardy, Donne, Montague and ENC for English
    Viruses for Biology

    I hope you're not right for English. If Frost or Dickinson don't come up I'm kind of screwed. I don't think ENC will come up. Everyone thinks she will and she's also on the course next year and 2018. Montague or Frost aren't on the course again until 2018 and it's been a few years since either have come up. I think it will be Montague, Frost, Dickinson/Plath and then take your pick from the other four. This may be just wishful thinking on my part though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Tweej


    If you study 1 poet you have a 50% chance, 2 poets 79%, 3 poets 91%, 4 poets 98.4%, 5 poets 100%.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    Blue giant wrote: »
    I hope you're not right for English. If Frost or Dickinson don't come up I'm kind of screwed. I don't think ENC will come up. Everyone thinks she will and she's also on the course next year and 2018. Montague or Frost aren't on the course again until 2018 and it's been a few years since either have come up. I think it will be Montague, Frost, Dickinson/Plath and then take your pick from the other four. This may be just wishful thinking on my part though.

    I doubt Plath will come up (yes I know, obviously), but she's also on the course for the next two years IIRC. I agree, Ni Chuilleanáin probably won't come up. So that leaves Dickinson, who looks quite likely, and they always like to have a poet coming up twice in a row.

    Frost looks very likely as well, but it's a gamble that can have bad consequences.


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Kremin


    I doubt Plath will come up (yes I know, obviously), but she's also on the course for the next two years IIRC. I agree, Ni Chuilleanáin probably won't come up. So that leaves Dickinson, who looks quite likely, and they always like to have a poet coming up twice in a row.

    Frost looks very likely as well, but it's a gamble that can have bad consequences.

    Ni Chuilleanain has never come up before though? And from what I've heard Plath was the first time any poets came up two years in a row?

    Oh well. I'll be doing Donne, Frost, Yeats and Hardy. I don't see Plath or Dickinson coming up, and theyre the only female poets we've done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭OMGeary


    Kremin wrote: »
    Ni Chuilleanain has never come up before though? And from what I've heard Plath was the first time any poets came up two years in a row?

    I don't think that's true, Yeats came up 2010,2011


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    Kremin wrote: »
    Ni Chuilleanain has never come up before though? And from what I've heard Plath was the first time any poets came up two years in a row?

    Oh well. I'll be doing Donne, Frost, Yeats and Hardy. I don't see Plath or Dickinson coming up, and theyre the only female poets we've done.

    As OMGeary said, Yeats has come up twice.

    Ni Chuilleanáin is coming up next year and another tear in the near future. Wouldn't it be a tad unlikely for her to come up two times in a row as a new poet? That why I don't think she'll come up, nobody would bother with her next year.

    That's also why Plath will probably not come up.

    Dickinson is most likely. They will pick the poets that people expect not to come up, not the poets that are likely. That's why one should study the poets everyone's NOT saying to study. Unless they have good reason against it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 ADowling


    My English teacher was convinced both Yates and Ni Chuilleanain were coming up for this year, but as teachers themselves know so little about Ni Chuilleanain she doubts if she will come up, and if she does, the question will be fairly easy as she's never been on before. As for Yates, next year is the 100 year anniversary of 1916 he might be saved for next year. Frost and Montague look likely. Anyone any tips on what might be coming up for LC History, Dictatorship and Democracy topic?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 zoe_devine


    English HL: Robert Frost, John Donne, John Montague (PRAYING FOR!) and E. Ni Chuilleanain.

    Art HL: Monet, Russborough House.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 lucy17


    what are the main themes in ni chuilleanain's poems ?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Lana96


    We have done : Donne, Ni Chuilleanan, Montague, Hardy,plath and dickinson. Only planning on learning the first 4 as I highly doubt either of them will appear on the paper. Plus i hate their poetry!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Patsy6546


    English HL paper2 predictions?? Othello question in particular?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    Patsy6546 wrote: »
    English HL paper2 predictions?? Othello question in particular?

    Possibly Iago, theme of jealousy/revenge/deception or role of women. Character of Othello came up last time and considering the play isn't on the LC a whole lot, I doubt they'd repeat it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Patsy6546


    Possibly Iago, theme of jealousy/revenge/deception or role of women. Character of Othello came up last time and considering the play isn't on the LC a whole lot, I doubt they'd repeat it.
    Was thinking to focus on Iago and desdemona and how they are polar opposites and the imagery surrounding them


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Patsy6546


    Comparative study question? Team/Issue?


  • Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭OMGeary


    Patsy6546 wrote: »
    Comparative study question? Team/Issue?

    Theme and Issue
    Literary Genre ?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭Fiona G


    Dickinson, Montague, Donne and maaaybe Yeats for poetry. I think Good Vs. Evil/Imagery and Symbolism for Othello. Literary Genre for Comparitive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 tcofla


    Do people think I'll be okay for othello if I learn questions on
    1-othello as tragic hero
    2-Iago as a bit of a prick
    3-Desdemona as too good(disagree)
    4-theme jealousy and revenge
    5-theme good vs evil
    6-imagery and symbolism?

    Any predictions with the Irish essays? I reckon seandaoine is a shout- mock and not come up yet and was on a sample paper


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    May aswell throw in my two cents... be very careful going on predictions on threads and fb etc... Heaney and Plath were supposedly a dead cert the year of my leaving, because the whole country figured "ah shur... they havent been up in years they HAVE to come up this year..." Everybody banked on them and neither were on the paper. i remember Ruairi Quinn saying at one stage before the lc that they had to take away from predictions and trends.. and that he did... There were all sorts of predictions going around and not just for english, but having been there, be wise about what you study and dont leave yourself caught out on the day!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    Pete123456 wrote: »
    May aswell throw in my two cents... be very careful going on predictions on threads and fb etc... Heaney and Plath were supposedly a dead cert the year of my leaving, because the whole country figured "ah shur... they havent been up in years they HAVE to come up this year..." Everybody banked on them and neither were on the paper. i remember Ruairi Quinn saying at one stage before the lc that they had to take away from predictions and trends.. and that he did... There were all sorts of predictions going around and not just for english, but having been there, be wise about what you study and dont leave yourself caught out on the day!

    That will go down as some legend told by teachers to pupils in fifty years time, "Oh, I remember one year, the 'Pleaney year' they called it..."

    Ah sure if you study Montague and Yeats, you're sorted! Ahm, yeah, I'll be studying five. Poetry is my favourite section, and I like to apply Murphy's law when studying for the LC :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 EmilyJane2812


    English HL poets:
    Dickinson
    Montague
    Donne
    Frost
    >>strongly believe that Ni Chuilleanain will not make an appearance. She is far too predictable. A female poet must come up every year, seeing as 2 of the 3 female poets on this years course came up last year, everyone will rule out Plath and Dickinson. Plath has come up two years in a row, she is not likely to come up for a third year in a row. People will forget about Dickinson, she is the least predictable out of all the female poets.
    In 2012, everyone said that Heaney and Plath would be there. They appeared on all the pres and did not come up on the leaving cert. Think like an examiner, they will not put something on the paper that everyone thinks will come up, they do this to throw people off from learning off set answers.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭irishlad12345


    reckon hardy will he didn't come up last year and hes not on the curriculum until at least 2019! if hes going to come up it has to be this year :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    But does a female poet actually HAVE to come up? I think if there's no genuine rule then this is the year it'd be all male.


  • Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭The_N4sir


    But does a female poet actually HAVE to come up? I think if there's no genuine rule then this is the year it'd be all male.

    According to my teacher, a female poet does not have to come up so anything is possible this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    But does a female poet actually HAVE to come up? I think if there's no genuine rule ...
    There's no rule, it's simply tradition that at least one female poet will. Traditions can change ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 owenoneill


    Donne's poetry isn't so bad once you figure out the major themes in each of his poems. Then you can just pick out the important bits and ignore all the 17th century 'humour'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭emersyn


    Here is an essay guide that I found, it includes some sample essays


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭DublinArnie


    For English drama, would knowing quotes and details of
    - Main character development
    - Main character relationship with two other key characters
    - Key scene build up
    - Techniques used to make play compelling
    - Evil characters vs good characters
    - Universal themes throughout play
    - Viscous character development

    be enough to cover all areas?

    I'm doing King Lear (in 5th year at the moment).


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Kremin


    For English drama, would knowing quotes and details of
    - Main character development
    - Main character relationship with two other key characters
    - Key scene build up
    - Techniques used to make play compelling
    - Evil characters vs good characters
    - Universal themes throughout play
    - Viscous character development

    be enough to cover all areas?

    I'm doing King Lear (in 5th year at the moment).
    Is it for the single text or for the comparative study?


  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭Stooped


    lucy17 wrote: »
    what are the main themes in ni chuilleanain's poems ?

    Seeing as no one replied to this yet, they are nature, isolation, death, the sorrow of history, spirituality, mythology & folklore and love.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 orangebasin


    Do you think it would be too risky to only do frost and ni chuilleanain ? I'm seriously thinking of chancing it..


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭emersyn


    Do you think it would be too risky to only do frost and ni chuilleanain ? I'm seriously thinking of chancing it..

    You still have a couple of weeks. If it were the night before the exam I would say fair enough but PLEASE do not take that sort of risk when you still have a good bit of time


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 orangebasin


    Thank you for replying. I really didn't want to spend that amount of time on english i am only looking for aa C1. Could i ask which poet would you recommend for my third poet then ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭DublinArnie


    Kremin wrote: »
    Is it for the single text or for the comparative study?

    Single text


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Jm12334567


    I'm planning on learning 3 poets montogue , Yeats and ni chuilleanain .. I reckon one of them has to come up ! Opinions ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭MmmPancakes


    For English drama, would knowing quotes and details of
    - Main character development
    - Main character relationship with two other key characters
    - Key scene build up
    - Techniques used to make play compelling
    - Evil characters vs good characters
    - Universal themes throughout play
    - Viscous character development

    be enough to cover all areas?

    I'm doing King Lear (in 5th year at the moment).

    Nearly every year its either a character or technical question.

    So for Othello I am learning:
    - Othello
    - Iago
    - Little bit of Desdemona, Cassio & Emilia
    - Themes (Racism, jealously etc)
    - Imagery/Symbolism (Bestial imagery, images of nets and traps, the handkerchief etc)
    - Quotes
    - Plot summary

    I don't know King Lear but you get the idea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭MmmPancakes


    Jm12334567 wrote: »
    I'm planning on learning 3 poets montogue , Yeats and ni chuilleanain .. I reckon one of them has to come up ! Opinions ?
    You should learn Hardy/Donne at least a little bit too to cover yourself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    A lot of stuff re: HL English split off to it's own thread ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Patsy6546


    For the single text - is question (a) on characters and is question (b) on themes or imagery?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Peg14


    What exactly is Good vs Evil Is is basically contrasting certain aspects such as Othello's repentance and Iago's lack of repentance?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Patsy6546


    Peg14 wrote: »
    What exactly is Good vs Evil Is is basically contrasting certain aspects such as Othello's repentance and Iago's lack of repentance?
    Think it's more desdemona vs iago and all the images associated with them heavenly vs diabolical


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Chicharito11


    Basically, If I want to get my C in English then I have to get a very good mark in Paper 1 as it's my best area of the course. Need any tips, anything at all!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    English -

    poetry - John montague, John Donne, Eilean Ni C, Robert frost

    Comparative - theme or issue is a hot topic! And literary genre

    Othello - Othello/Iago character question, dramatic techniques

    Should be covering at least 5 poets.
    We have done
    1. John Montague (major focus)
    2. John Donne
    3. Eilean Ni C
    4. Robert Frost
    5. Yeats

    Wouldn't touch Dickinson or Plath,
    The top 3 there are definitely ones to rely on!
    Don't only cover 2 or even 3, that doesn't make sense.

    P.s. Don't disregard Eilean Ni C, she seems complicated
    And no one likes her, but for that reason it will go in your favour
    To answer on her!! Nobody will take her, yet the question given will
    Be straight forward once you know her poetry! They especially
    Won't give too hard a question because they don't want to put us off her!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Gryffindor


    Just found a really great resource for all the prescribed material

    http://www.connemarafm.com/audiopage.html

    If you go to 'West Wind Blows' there's a lecture on all the poets, Othello and the essay paper. They're about an hour long each but it's a really great refresher!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    It's such a pity Dickinson came up last year, she's by far my favourite poet and I always find that I write a better essay if I've something good to say, not just learned off themes. And I've a lot to say on Dickinson!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Jijsaw


    It's such a pity Dickinson came up last year, she's by far my favourite poet and I always find that I write a better essay if I've something good to say, not just learned off themes. And I've a lot to say on Dickinson!

    She could come up again. I think some poet has to come up that was on last year, just to throw off students.

    I'm edging more towards Dickinson appearing though, as some students might just learn Yeats because of his 150th birthday anniversary.

    Pray for Frost or Montague (preferably Frost but beggars can't be choosers)


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    It's such a pity Dickinson came up last year, she's by far my favourite poet and I always find that I write a better essay if I've something good to say, not just learned off themes. And I've a lot to say on Dickinson!

    She's a bit too complicated to understand, for me. I find some of her poems very interesting, but poems like 'After Great Pain, a Formal Feeling comes' to be very hard to interpret. I feel like she's like Plath, but then they really are completely different.

    I find Plath amazing to read though! And she's by far the least likely to come up this year :(

    About predictions, I believe Dickinson has a great chance of coming up this year. If any of the women are coming up, I believe she is the most likely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    I find Frost so boring. The only remotely interesting one is Provide, Provide. Or maybe my teacher just picked his bad poems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    She's a bit too complicated to understand, for me. I find some of her poems very interesting, but poems like 'After Great Pain, a Formal Feeling comes' to be very hard to interpret. I feel like she's like Plath, but then they really are completely different.

    I would have loved to have studied Plath but she's extremely unlikely but then again the SEC love a good joke at our expense. My teacher believes ENC isn't coming up cause everyone will bank on her cause she's new.

    I love how Dickinson can be read in different ways. For example, for the poem A Narrow Fellow In The Grass I'm comparing it to how people today still don't associate with "otherness" just because it's different to what they know. Her poems are the most relevant today out of the poets I've done anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    I would have loved to have studied Plath but she's extremely unlikely but then again the SEC love a good joke at our expense. My teacher believes ENC isn't coming up cause everyone will bank on her cause she's new.

    I love how Dickinson can be read in different ways. For example, for the poem A Narrow Fellow In The Grass I'm comparing it to how people today still don't associate with "otherness" just because it's different to what they know. Her poems are the most relevant today out of the poets I've done anyway.

    Plath would have had a good chance to come up if she wasn't on for the next couple of years as well. If she comes up this year, then she'd certainly not come up the year after, and thus nobody would study her. ENC is on next year and in a few years, and, like your teacher says, she's way too obvious.

    Dickinsons poetry may have different ways of reading it, but I find myself struggling to understand parts of her poetry. I also lost all my notes for her, so I relied on Shmoop for guidance through her poems (who were clueless themselves! They literally just said, 'if you don't understand this, then don't worry, because we don't either'). I find that they would be very interesting if I was able to interpret her lines.

    I was thinking about studying 'a Narrow Fellow In the Grass' myself. It looked quite interesting and seemed to be about her relationship with a boy when she was younger, iirc? My favourite one of Dickinson is 'a Bird walked down the... (name escapes me!), talking about how we're detached from nature and explains the vulgarity of it when nobody is watching. Really cool techniques in it such as 'grass' mingled with glass. Probably an easier poem to understand!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    Well to me that poem is about literally meeting a snake in the grass, and the snake is a metaphor for otherness in the world in general.

    My favourite has to be After Great Pain, a Formal Feeling Comes and sheer hopelessness of it..


  • Advertisement
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement