Traffic Blues - RTE1 - May 31st

07-03-2010 10:50pm

phaidi wrote: »

il criticise them all i want they never did anything for me whenever i needed assistance and i tried to contact whoever i could to try and get their attention i got no joy no help what so ever just kept getting put off longer and longer!! im sure there is plenty of people that will agree with me!! the same has most likely happened to them i just think its so unfair on the extra two children in the back with no seat belts if there was an accident they could have seriously been injured or worse killed! you see them adds on the television constantly of crashes and the constant awarness to wear your seatbelt why are they broadcasting these adds to wear seatbelts if they are just going to let you drive off still without one on?!? and then this like oh sure not a bother drive off because chances are shes just going to do it again tomorrow.......crazy!!

If you have a problem with how you were dealt with in the past then if it was serious enough, complain to the Ombudsman. Or complain to the superiors of whoever you were dealing with. Moaning here will not sort out your problems.

As for the incident being discussed, what did you want the gardai to do? Wrongfully arrest and detain the woman until she could afford a bigger car? Unlawfully detain the car and make her and her children walk home?

If there is no power for a garda to carry out an action then thats that. Nothing they can do, unless they want to lose their job, money, house. And I'm sure you would be one of the first to complain if gardai went around illegally arresting people or illegally detaining their cars.

phaidi · 07-03-2010 11:22pm

foreign wrote: »

If you have a problem with how you were dealt with in the past then if it was serious enough, complain to the Ombudsman. Or complain to the superiors of whoever you were dealing with. Moaning here will not sort out your problems.

As for the incident being discussed, what did you want the gardai to do? Wrongfully arrest and detain the woman until she could afford a bigger car? Unlawfully detain the car and make her and her children walk home?

If there is no power for a garda to carry out an action then thats that. Nothing they can do, unless they want to lose their job, money, house. And I'm sure you would be one of the first to complain if gardai went around illegally arresting people or illegally detaining their cars.

so basically your saying let her drive around with 5 children in the back till she can afford a bigger car what difference would a bigger car make she would still have 5 children in the back!!! he could have easily arranged another form of transport to come along and put the two other children in and salefy drive off he should have made her wait inconveniently for the other form of transport like they do to so MANY MORE!! unless you are not concerned at all about the FACT there was 2 children unprotected in the back of the car this is after all how this all started!

if they can so easily detain cars off people and leave them standing on the side of the road with no way home what makes her so different that they could have easily arranged an alternative form of transport to get the children safely home and just maybe she might learn her lesson not to endanger them particular childrens lives again!!

Hooch · 08-03-2010 3:41am

phaidi wrote: »

il criticise them all i want......Snip

Not when your wrong you wont......

phaidi wrote: »

so basically your saying let her drive around with 5 children in the back till she can afford a bigger car what difference would a bigger car make she would still have 5 children in the back!!! he could have easily arranged another form of transport to come along and put the two other children in and salefy drive off he should have made her wait inconveniently for the other form of transport like they do to so MANY MORE!! unless you are not concerned at all about the FACT there was 2 children unprotected in the back of the car this is after all how this all started!

if they can so easily detain cars off people and leave them standing on the side of the road with no way home what makes her so different that they could have easily arranged an alternative form of transport to get the children safely home and just maybe she might learn her lesson not to endanger them particular childrens lives again!!

As stated by several Gardaí already the member concerned had no powers to do anything about it. NONE whatsoever. No make believe act or power.

Yes Gardaí have the power to sieze a vehicle.....but only in certain cases covered by legislation.

Gardaí must act within the law and can only enforce legislation that exists. If its not there then we can do NOTHING. If your not happy with this then complain to your local TD. We all agree she was wrong. We all agree its dangerous. However the Gardaí acted correctly.

phaidi · 08-03-2010 6:08pm

nice guy always wrote: »

Not when your wrong you wont......

As stated by several Gardaí already the member concerned had no powers to do anything about it. NONE whatsoever. No make believe act or power.

Yes Gardaí have the power to sieze a vehicle.....but only in certain cases covered by legislation.

Gardaí must act within the law and can only enforce legislation that exists. If its not there then we can do NOTHING. If your not happy with this then complain to your local TD. We all agree she was wrong. We all agree its dangerous. However the Gardaí acted correctly.

i dont have to be wrong if i want to speak wrong of them thats my choice
he still could have easily made her wait for more transport to come along its the right and safe thing to do!

Shield · 08-03-2010 6:46pm

phaidi wrote: »

i dont have to be wrong if i want to speak wrong of them thats my choice
he still could have easily made her wait for more transport to come along its the right and safe thing to do!

Alright phaidi, listen carefully:

They can't. They don't have a power to do what you're asking. Don't you understand?

Do we really have to spell this out to you like this? Gardai can only act within the law. If they did what you said above, they'd be breaking the law.

Your questions have been answered by a member of the Traffic Corps who knows more than anyone on the forum about it, so accept it - you are wrong.

Now let it go.

phaidi · 08-03-2010 7:08pm

psni wrote: »

Alright phaidi, listen carefully:

They can't. They don't have a power to do what you're asking. Don't you understand?

Do we really have to spell this out to you like this? Gardai can only act within the law. If they did what you said above, they'd be breaking the law.

Your questions have been answered by a member of the Traffic Corps who knows more than anyone on the forum about it, so accept it - you are wrong.

Now let it go.

its hardly aganist the law to suggest more transport to come along and bring the children to safety!!!!!
so tell me does this also mean that im free to load however many people into the back of my car as i want and nothing will happen to me only a meer 2 points and a fine providing of course everything is legitimate on my car if i get stopped is it?!?!!

Whitewater-AGS · 08-03-2010 7:20pm

phaidi wrote: »

its hardly aganist the law to suggest more transport to come along and bring the children to safety!!!!!
so tell me does this also mean that im free to load however many people into the back of my car as i want and nothing will happen to me only a meer 2 points and a fine providing of course everything is legitimate on my car if i get stopped is it?!?!!

And it finally sinks in yes you will get a fine and points, I can suggest anything to anyone, I can suggest you jump off a tall building but its only a suggestion I cant make you do it. Its simple really!!!

shakin · 08-03-2010 8:03pm

any talk of a second series?

phaidi · 08-03-2010 8:05pm

Whitewater-AGS wrote: »

And it finally sinks in yes you will get a fine and points, I can suggest anything to anyone, I can suggest you jump off a tall building but its only a suggestion I cant make you do it. Its simply really!!!

learn how to spell first you be doing alright!!

Shield · 08-03-2010 8:08pm

phaidi wrote: »

learn how to spell first you be doing alright!!

Banned for one week for trolling the forum.

Back on topic, and no commenting on the above please.

one2one · 09-03-2010 5:02pm

Anyone know if this is on this Friday? Missed the last few.

AlekSmart · 09-03-2010 9:34pm

Do we really have to spell this out to you like this? Gardai can only act within the law. If they did what you said above, they'd be breaking the law.

Your questions have been answered by a member of the Traffic Corps who knows more than anyone on the forum about it, so accept it - you are wrong.

Whilst not wanting to end up Phaidi`d,I can see where he`s coming from.

It appears to me that the Gardai on the scene,and those posting subsequently on the Forum,were very focused upon the exact letter of the relevant law.
Given the current coverage of all Child Welfare issues,I would have expected a member to forcibly impress upon that woman the (Potentially Fatal)danger to which she was exposing those children to.

She could of course plead ignorance,but as a Traffic Corps member would surely be aware of the reality of unrestrained children being shot forward by the decelleration forces in even a relatively slow speed (Sub 50KMH) accident.

However as alluded to by Phaidi,could the ethnicity of the person perhaps be seen by a member as a contributory factor in allowing a person to carry on.

I would sincerely hope not,but whatever action is/was possible under law still should not preclude that woman being seriously inconvienenced in order to drive(!) home the serious message into her consciousness.

Now that of itself WOULD have been a good days work ?

pa990 · 10-03-2010 1:17pm

the reason gardai here have been focused on the exact letter of the law is simple.

Gardai can only act within the relevant legislation.. We can't be bending it and acting outside the letter of the law.
If we do, we are open to civil proceeding etc, and would not be able to secure any conviction as the solicitors and judges would be examining the garda's evidence to ensure that it is all as per the letter of the law

pa990 · 10-03-2010 1:19pm

i don't mean to be back seat modding, but i think the op's question has been answered by a few other posters.

Time to close up and move on me thinks

Shield · 10-03-2010 2:16pm

pa990 wrote: »

i don't mean to be back seat modding

Then don't.

pa990 wrote: »

but i think the op's question has been answered by a few other posters.

The OP was informing us about the show.

pa990 wrote: »

Time to close up and move on me thinks

The thread will remain open because it's for discussing the show in its entirety and not just one scene or incident.

Now let's get back to discussing the show "Traffic Blues" minus the incident about the lady in the Starlet with the 5 kids in the back of the car, as it's been done to death by now.

Thanks.

JonathanAnon · 17-07-2011 8:51pm

Petty, smart arsed and drunk on power... This program seems to be a fair representation of them alright...

Doing the guy for having no seatbelt was ridiculous.. What a fukn waste of time..

Hooch · 17-07-2011 8:54pm

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Petty, smart arsed and drunk on power... This program seems to be a fair representation of them alright...

Doing the guy for having no seatbelt was ridiculous.. What a fukn waste of time..

Infracted for trolling.

(Glad you think the Gardaí on the programme are good looking.....or pretty as you put it)

cjmcork · 17-07-2011 9:01pm

NGA wrote: »

(Glad you think the Gardaí on the programme are good looking.....or pretty as you put it)

No Garda Roarty from series 1 though.............gutted

goldie fish · 18-07-2011 4:04am

Why was the motorcyclist arrested?

cjmcork · 18-07-2011 8:29am

goldie fish wrote: »

Why was the motorcyclist arrested?

yeah, actually thought it was a little odd that he was handcuffed for his own safety?

Sully · 18-07-2011 11:31am

goldie fish wrote: »

Why was the motorcyclist arrested?

He was being arrest for dangerous driving because he was going a good bit over the speed limit, had no reflecting clothing, and the bike itself wasn't in good nick. But they had decided to arrest him before inspecting the bike - im fairly sure I heard one of them ask about "nicking" him and the other agreeing. I assume anybody who is arrested is put in cuffs.

He was later charged and convicted of careless driving. Seems a little harsh though for a first offense.

goldie fish · 18-07-2011 12:10pm

Sully wrote: »

He was being arrest for dangerous driving because he was going a good bit over the speed limit, had no reflecting clothing, and the bike itself wasn't in good nick. But they had decided to arrest him before inspecting the bike - im fairly sure I heard one of them ask about "nicking" him and the other agreeing. I assume anybody who is arrested is put in cuffs.

He was later charged and convicted of careless driving. Seems a little harsh though for a first offense.

No reflective clothing and vehicle supposedly in poor order is not against the law(The tyres looked normal to me and o'ring chains look dry normally).
Could it be the gardai are just anti biker or suffering from "red mist" and were intent on punishing a motorist they couldnt catch who was, until they started to chase him putting nobody but himself at risk?

M.J.M.C · 18-07-2011 12:15pm

Great show I love watching this.

Shame the episodes aren't longer and more often. Season 2 has been really well put together

source · 18-07-2011 12:21pm

Why are there 2 threads going on this? This one the last post before yesterday was March 2010, wouldn't it be cleaner if there was only 1 thread on this?

LeixlipRed · 18-07-2011 1:39pm

Lads, your man was driving at 200kph, how the hell can you defend that??

And I'd be the first to be getting sly digs in at the Guards, but in this case you have to say what they did was right!

goldie fish · 18-07-2011 2:40pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Lads, your man was driving at 200kph, how the hell can you defend that??

And I'd be the first to be getting sly digs in at the Guards, but in this case you have to say what they did was right!

He was caught for exceeding the speed limit, which was justified, but what specifically did he do that warranted arrest?
The treatment he got in court was more appropriate than the manner in which he was dealt with. Fixed penalty notice, even notebook and file for S51/52 and or 53 RTA would have been perfectly fine, but why was it necessary to arrest and charge him?
Was there any doubt about his identity?
Was his excessive speed dangerous?(Court didn't think so).
Were the Gardai just annoyed?

CB19Kevo · 18-07-2011 2:48pm

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Petty, smart arsed and drunk on power... This program seems to be a fair representation of them alright...

Doing the guy for having no seatbelt was ridiculous.. What a fukn waste of time..

If your on a public road, You should have the belt on... How hard is it.
The attitude of the driver dident help either, I dont think the Guards should have to take that level of abuse.

M.J.M.C · 18-07-2011 2:55pm

CB19Kevo wrote: »

The attitude of the driver dident help either, I dont think the Guards should have to take that level of abuse.

EXACTLY!
Sure in England swearing at a police officer will get you arrested. Why not the same here. That's a joke.

They should be allowed to do their job without someone swearing at them

Sully · 18-07-2011 4:00pm

I'd consider it dangerous driving what the biker was doing, or at least careless, outside of the speed (but included). Just thought it was weird they decided before inspecting the bike to arrest him. Anyway, I think under the RTA act they can arrest someone for driving excessively over the speed limit and also if the vehicle isn't road worthy (open to correction)

msg11 · 18-07-2011 4:47pm

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Doing the guy for having no seatbelt was ridiculous.. What a fukn waste of time..

What's ridiculous is he didn't put it on which takes about 2 seconds.

Lift left hand towards right shoulder, pull down belt across chest and latch into holder. Simple.

If he can't get the basics of using a seatbelt that's there to save his life then serves him right. And you say the Garda was a smart arsed, you must not work with the public or had a tricky customer. The amount of abuse that guy was giving that Garda he deserved the fine.

If he can't get a seatbelt on himself I wouldn't like to meet him on the road, strikes me as the type that would tailgate you for 5 miles.

msg11 · 18-07-2011 4:51pm

cjmcork wrote: »

yeah, actually thought it was a little odd that he was handcuffed for his own safety?

He was handcuffed for there safety and his safety.

If he is in the back of the car without cuffs and he is after murdering someone (They just don't know it) and starts to try and strangle the Garda driving the car it's not going to end pretty. It's better for everyone if they don't take that chance and just put him in handcuffs.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-07-2011 6:22pm

goldie fish wrote: »

He was caught for exceeding the speed limit, which was justified, but what specifically did he do that warranted arrest?

I was caught driving in excess of 130 MPH (speed in old money!) and when I was pulling over I fully expected to be arrested, I wasn't.

But I think had I been it would have been fully justified & nothing less than I deserved... Still scare's the bejaysus out of me when I think of the fright I got when I seen the flashing lights behind me at that speed

goldie fish · 18-07-2011 6:27pm

Ashley Tiny Skier wrote: »

I was caught driving in excess of 130 MPH (speed in old money!) and when I was pulling over I fully expected to be arrested, I wasn't.

But I think had I been it would have been fully justified & nothing less than I deserved... Still scare's the bejaysus out of me when I think of the fright I got when I seen the flashing lights behind me at that speed

But you weren't arrested, were you in a Car or a baby eating motorbike?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-07-2011 6:36pm

goldie fish wrote: »

But you weren't arrested, were you in a Car or a baby eating motorbike?

PM sent.

savagecabbages · 19-07-2011 1:38am

goldie fish wrote: »

No reflective clothing and vehicle supposedly in poor order is not against the law(The tyres looked normal to me and o'ring chains look dry normally).
Could it be the gardai are just anti biker or suffering from "red mist" and were intent on punishing a motorist they couldnt catch who was, until they started to chase him putting nobody but himself at risk?

I'd wager that the manner in which he was driving before they pursued him was already putting himself at risk.

I cant believe how much better this series is than the previous one. I'd still like to see a film crew go around with Guards in a country town on a saturday night tho. Wouldn't be traffic blues, but would be entertaining!

19-07-2011 7:48am

He was arrested for dangerous driving for the purpose of charging. There was a mention of him going between two cars at speed. And most of the Traffic Corp would be bike riders through work so can't think they would be anti bike, maybe anti stupid driving. I would say he pleaded in court and that's why the conviction was for the lesser offence.

Goldie, if he was a scrote would you be asking the same question?

goldie fish · 19-07-2011 11:51am

foreign wrote: »

He was arrested for dangerous driving for the purpose of charging. There was a mention of him going between two cars at speed. And most of the Traffic Corp would be bike riders through work so can't think they would be anti bike, maybe anti stupid driving. I would say he pleaded in court and that's why the conviction was for the lesser offence.

Goldie, if he was a scrote would you be asking the same question?

No, but I do object to people being treated like criminals because of the type of vehicles they chose to use in an otherwise legal and lawful manner. An arrest is the denial of a persons freedom. The offences you can arrest them for are usually quite serious.
How often are car drivers arrested for speeding?
Acceptable reasons for arresting someone for a Road Traffic offence would in the past have been(using the Power of arrest for dangerous driving)
No driving licence, unable to verify name and address
non-resident driver

I must remember to add "drives motorcycle" to that list.
The clip did not demonstrate the motorcyclist driving in a dangerous manner, just exceeding the speed limit, which was 120 where he was caught, I believe?(M4) compared to the donegal chase for example.
http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1105011

Other than speed, what did the clip show that warranted dangerous driving?

savagecabbages · 20-07-2011 1:09am

goldie fish wrote: »

I do object to people being treated like criminals because of the type of vehicles they chose to use in an otherwise legal and lawful manner.

But they weren't picking on him just because he was on a bike. He was doing nearly 200km/h on a fairly busy stretch of road!! I like to think anyone caught doing the same would be arrested. Theres a time & place for driving fast, and its not on the open roads...

goldie fish · 20-07-2011 12:00pm

savagecabbages wrote: »

But they weren't picking on him just because he was on a bike. He was doing nearly 200km/h on a fairly busy stretch of road!! I like to think anyone caught doing the same would be arrested. Theres a time & place for driving fast, and its not on the open roads...

Yes he was doing excessive speed, but what danger was he offering to other road users?
That show so far has not shown any other speeding drivers being arrested unless they had other issues.

Tango Alpha 51 · 20-07-2011 3:34pm

Goldie, what would happen if he lost control filtering between the cars. Would that contribute to the danger to other road users?. Also his speed was excessive & as a fellow biker I wouldn't have considered that bike well maintained. There's absolutely no excuse for doing that speed on any road. I have seen the consequences of crashing at this speed to many times. I've also seen the carnage caused by drivers swerving to avoid a downed biker so IMO he was a danger to other road users & the member concerned was right to arrest him

timmywex · 21-07-2011 9:42pm

goldie fish wrote: »

Yes he was doing excessive speed, but what danger was he offering to other road users?
That show so far has not shown any other speeding drivers being arrested unless they had other issues.

The show has also not shown any speeding drivers as dangerous.

Per km travelled, motorcyclists are 13 times more likel to be involved in a serious injury or fatal collision, im sure that figure skyrockets again at those speeds (Source: RSA Annual report, i think 2009)

He was essentially arrested to be charged! Does it not show by the fact that the driver was so unsuprised when told he was being arrested?

Eru · 22-07-2011 12:48am

53.—(1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances of the case (including the nature, condition and use of the place and the amount of traffic which then actually is or might reasonably be expected then to be therein) is dangerous to the public.

Speeding on its own qualifies a person. The fact that he was doing 200 in a 120 zone is clearly dangerous and you bet your ass a car caught doing the same would be lifted.

cjmcork · 24-07-2011 9:19pm

wooohhhooo............my not-so-secret crush was on tonight - guest appearance from Garda Roarty!

savagecabbages · 24-07-2011 11:09pm

Unbelievable that someone could overtake a garda car on a solid white line.
Ok the car was unmarked, but there were two guards in uniform and a cameraman inside...

swiftblade · 24-07-2011 11:36pm

Why wasn't anything said to the truck driver with the hay? To me it looked dangerously overload and not secured properly

Bosh · 25-07-2011 2:22am

goldie fish wrote: »

Yes he was doing excessive speed, but what danger was he offering to other road users?
That show so far has not shown any other speeding drivers being arrested unless they had other issues.

It's interesting to see the different perspectives on this.

Over on some of the biker sites they're going spastic that he was arrested at all; ranging from keyboard warriors "Should have popped a minger & fecked off" to somewhat more moderate "Feck him, he's giving bikers a bad name".

The non biking fraternity wanted him hanged, drawn & quartered.

If you recall from the first series there was uproar when the bus with the bad tyre was allowed on its way. The sanctimonious brigade had a field day.

Damned if you do damned if you don't. :rolleyes:

savagecabbages · 25-07-2011 4:20pm

Bosh wrote: »

Damned if you do damned if you don't. :rolleyes:

Welcome to Ireland:rolleyes:

Even on boards, you'll find drastically different attitudes to road safety on the motoring and roads forums respectively.
I pity anyone who works in the public eye, your hands will always be tied of you aim to please everyone...

-Corkie- · 25-07-2011 10:28pm

swiftblade wrote: »

Why wasn't anything said to the truck driver with the hay? To me it looked dangerously overload and not secured properly

I would say he got a bollockin of camera but I had to laugh at the other load of hay that passed under the bridge flat out and the Guard laughed it off..:)

I think they were more pissed of with white van man..

Traffic Blues - RTE1 - May 31st

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