Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

dvpower wrote: »

Take the cotton wool out of your ears.
He said he didn't think 90% would pay by the deadline.

Jesus wept, Leo V. is one serious cabbage. No matter what way you interpret what he said his figures are up his arse. According to figures today (at 5pm) 420K had paid up, plus another 20K of postal receipts to go through. Now seeing as there are 1.6 million eligible homes his figures are all over the place (I myself reckon between 30 or 40% will register by Saturday). A lot more than 10% he claims have paid and no where near the 90% he expects/doesn't expect by the deadline (depending on what you heard on the report).

This man should not be allowed out without supervision. He is a liability to FG and feels the need to give his 2 cents worth on every topic de jour. An absolute prune.

gerryo777 wrote: »

Just to add that this tax is discrimination in it's purest form.

It's supposed to be for local services used by everyone, yet only people who own a property have to pay.

Renters get off scott free!

That, right there is pure, unadulterated discrimination.

I agree that it's an unfair tax but I don't think renters should pay this charge as well as rent, electric, bins, gas etc. whilst the landlord of said property earns in excess of €10000 a year (D.C.C) and pays nothing. I see my rent as payment for a service provided by the landlord, it's in their interests surely for the local amenities to be improved/sustained. Whilst property prices in Dublin have plummeted I can assure you that rental prices have not. I'm not sure if my landlord intends to pay or not. I'm not sure they even know about it as they live abroad. Not my problem !!!

I wonder how many landlords will increase the monthly rent on the back of this household charge. Would you have the nerve to raise rent by a tenner a month - would be so obvious? no - so they'll raise it by 20 or even 50 to make it look like an inflation based increase - hence profiting from this. Good god, when will the ripples end.

Firstly, thank you for this forum to air my view; I apologise in advance if I put anyone to sleep with my rant. I am not of any political persuasion.
It is incredible & brilliant to see such a reaction to this issue.

My two cents (before the government take them away from me in the form of a levy)...
The €100 they're looking for is a paltry amount (to the government, not to me). But this is more about the registering they're asking us to do. IMO, they're testing our resolve. They're asking us to register our agreement to their (& the Troika's) plans. If we all do as Big Phil et al want, and register, then we're effectively signing up to, and giving them the green light to administer whatever taxes, levies, fines, cuts, sale of state assets, etc; that they decide on, or their EU bosses tell them to do, from here on in.
I have to admit that I wasn't enamored at the thought of FG being in power, but they were democratically voted in, and you gotta respect the will of the people; but jaysus, they have already turned into FF v2.0. The way that the coalition (esp. FG) have already shown their ineptitude and contempt for the good people that voted them in (just look at the promises they made and broke, e.g. "not one cent to the bankers"), has made me very concerned for the future of this country.
And to date, none of reckless Irish bankers (or former regulator) have been jailed for any of the many ridiculous antics that got us into this mess in the first place - what the hell!!!
During the "boom", I never had (nor do I now) own a credit (debt) card. I would have been extremely lucky to get a holiday a year, let alone two or three. I had to buy a reasonable house way out on the commuter belt to house my family, away from my own family & friends. The house is now worth half the high interest mortgage I still have to pay for it. I'm already paying the Universal Social Charge. Healthcare costs are expensive. Insurance is expensive. Food is expensive. Water charges coming in soon; I have just paid a load of money to get the crappy water coming into my house cleaned. Where does it stop? You can only flog something so much until its dead!
I wouldn't mind paying such tax(es), if I really believed that these guys were really capable of getting this wonderful country back on track, and not just maintaining the political status quo over the people, until they get voted out, and can start collecting their pensions. But a year into 'power', and I already don't trust them. There is no definitive proof that the collected monies will even go towards local services (we have to take their word for it). Are we supposed to put our trust in the same people that are closing down Garda stations, at a time when lawlessness is on the increase?
The government is voted in to serve the people of Ireland, to work toward making the people's lives better, and making the country as a whole a better place to live; not to be our bosses, and simply tell us what's what. And if an outside body is telling Ireland to do something that's not in the best interest of our people, we elected these people to tell them to get stuffed (obviously worded in a nicer, more PC way).
I will not, no way, never, be registering up to this ridiculous, disgusting, tax, and I implore everyone else that has not already done so, to refuse to register you, and your family, and your way of life, to the whim of the Troika, Goldman Sachs, German pension funds, and billionaire bankers.
The world is watching Ireland, and between this household charge & and the upcoming referendum; we have a chance to show the world that the fightin' Irish are just that; we will not just lay down and accept that we as a nation are willing to pay off the gambling debts of the already uber-wealthy. We are ready to be grown up as a nation, and pay our way in the world, and work our way out of debt (our own, not corrupt bankers), getting rid of the Me Fein attitude of the past, and creating proper social changes, but done on our terms. And the only way the world will start to see this, is if we make a stand... and now is our time to do so!

AK

Buford Tannen wrote: »

I don't expect dopey varadkar to be in power by the end of the year.What a muppet.

Yeah. Right. Next thing you'll be telling us you hate manure........:D

black francis wrote: »

I see the 'Don Pay, Don't Register' posts are becoming increasingly aggressive and personal.

Smacks of defeat and desperation methinks.

LOL

lugha wrote: »

Wastage has nothing do with funding mode.

It does if it all comes out of the same pot ? Just like balancing a household budget you can either increase your income to fund your day-to-day bills (take in more taxes) or you can cut back on expenditure (junkets, expenses, iphones for LA workers etc). The household charge represents the first option but for some reason the expenditure part just doesn't seem to be under review.