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Albert Quay - New Development

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  • #152
    calnand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭calnand


    Whoever put the map together on the very last page should probably take another look at it. Can't believe they got the location of it and city hall wrong


  • #153
    Nukem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭Nukem


    calnand wrote: »
    Whoever put the map together on the very last page should probably take another look at it. Can't believe they got the location of it and city hall wrong

    Class - never spotted that

    Location of city hall and proposed development one whole street out


  • #154
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    316585.jpg

    Their map and Google Earth and a little layer in PS. :)


  • #155
    moyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners


    Nukem wrote: »
    I thought this was the revised plan?

    http://www.bamcontractors.ie/public/userfiles/Files/AlbertQuayBrochure.pdf

    That's the plan that was objected to and withdrawn. The building in the video is the new plan. (I had to go back and check the planning application online myself).


  • #156
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    kub wrote: »
    'This is the thing', is it really? I simply mention that a new building there is better than the eyesore that is there currently and I am moaning......

    Joking aside, how did you get that from what I said?


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  • #157
    Michael..
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Michael..


    I was on the An Bord Plenala site today looking at the appeals. By the looks of things both have been withdrawn.

    Anybody know what the protocol is if appeals are withdrawn ?

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/243619.htm

    Cork City Council

    Demolish buildings, construct mixed use development consisting of offices, basement carpark, roof terrace and ancillary site works. Site bounded by Albert Quay, Albert Street North of Elysian

    Case reference: PL28 .243619

    Case type: Planning Appeal

    Status: Case is due to be decided by 20-11-2014

    Parties

    Bam Properties Ltd and Progressive Commercial Construction Ltd (Applicant)
    Crimson Investments Ltd. (Appellant) (Withdrawn)
    Elysian Management Ltd. (Appellant) (Withdrawn)
    History

    18/07/2014: Lodged


  • #158
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Michael.. wrote: »
    Anybody know what the protocol is if appeals are withdrawn ?

    According to testimony on record the protocol is to pay the City Manager [now CEO City Council] the same as you paid the minister.


  • #159
    Pitcairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Pitcairn


    AFAIK if all appeals are withdrawn then the original City Council decision to grant permission stands and they can start construction whenever they're ready.
    Looks like they reached an agreement with O'Flynn's over the Elysian.


  • #160
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Pitcairn wrote: »
    Looks like they reached an agreement with O'Flynn's over the Elysian.

    Flynn is fighting to retain control, I don't think it is his decision, it's the new US bank that bought his debt off NAMA.


  • #161
    fergie24
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭fergie24


    Yeah, Flynn has bigger problems to be worrying about.


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  • #162
    moyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners


    Michael.. wrote: »
    I was on the An Bord Plenala site today looking at the appeals. By the looks of things both have been withdrawn.

    Anybody know what the protocol is if appeals are withdrawn ?

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/243619.htm


    Cork City Council

    Demolish buildings, construct mixed use development consisting of offices, basement carpark, roof terrace and ancillary site works. Site bounded by Albert Quay, Albert Street North of Elysian

    Case reference: PL28 .243619

    Case type: Planning Appeal

    Status: Case is due to be decided by 20-11-2014

    Parties

    Bam Properties Ltd and Progressive Commercial Construction Ltd (Applicant)
    Crimson Investments Ltd. (Appellant) (Withdrawn)
    Elysian Management Ltd. (Appellant) (Withdrawn)
    History

    18/07/2014: Lodged

    It's now saying appeal withdrawn since 05/08/2014. I wonder how quickly things will progress now?

    I never got why Flynns wouldn't want people in well paying jobs next door who might want apartments in the elysian and provide custom for the empty commercial spaces below!


  • #163
    Michael..
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Michael..


    moyners wrote: »
    It's now saying appeal withdrawn since 05/08/2014. I wonder how quickly things will progress now?

    I reckon it will progress fairly soon. There was signage put up on one of the warehouses the other day.

    They'll probably begin demolition soon enough I'd say. It'll be great to see that site cleaned up. It's a total eyesore.


  • #164
    Pitcairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Pitcairn


    They say they are going to start within weeks.
    http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/08/11/work-begin-albert-quay-development/


  • #165
    BUNK1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭BUNK1982


    Pitcairn wrote: »
    They say they are going to start within weeks.
    http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/08/11/work-begin-albert-quay-development/

    Great news if it is getting the go ahead.

    500 - 700 extra employees in the city centre would make a real difference.


  • #166
    who_me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    BUNK1982 wrote: »
    Great news if it is getting the go ahead.

    500 - 700 extra employees in the city centre would make a real difference.

    Hah. It would be absolutely ideal for me, I'd have about a 1-minute walk to work across 2 bridges to commute to work, and could pan out on the boardwalk for lunch breaks. (Sadly, most of my co-workers are based around the Douglas area and so the company probably won't even consider the city centre due to traffic/parking).


  • #167
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    I passed by the site yesterday evening and noticed it had new planning applications stuck there. They were dated from April this year so, presumably, the ones that were on hold from the objections? There's a "Change of use" planning notice up on the empty section of The Elysian as well - for the Aldi premises I assume.


  • #168
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    With the new date for applications being set - are we now expecting bids from Alberts Quay & Beamish & Crawford as sites - would there be more than that going in?


  • #169
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    D'Agger wrote: »
    With the new date for applications being set - are we now expecting bids from Alberts Quay & Beamish & Crawford as sites - would there be more than that going in?

    Technically, it's open to anyone and everyone again but they're not expecting any new applicants.


  • #170
    Meursault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Meursault


    What about Live Nation? Is it a waste of time building the events centre, without their backing? The whole saga is very frustrating. There is clearly a need for it.


  • #171
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Link here might help shed some light on the situation.

    The tender process/conditions have been reviewed and it's more than likely to put LiveNation back in the frame


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  • #172
    Meursault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Meursault


    D'Agger wrote: »
    Link here might help shed some light on the situation.

    The tender process/conditions have been reviewed and it's more than likely to put LiveNation back in the frame

    that's a positive step, at least, but i will belileve it when I see the diggers moving in to start work!


  • #173
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    I think people are getting their threads mixed up! This is about 1 Albert Quay.

    exam250214AlbertQuayDevelopmentArtistsImpression_large.jpg


  • #174
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    zetalambda wrote: »
    I think people are getting their threads mixed up! This is about 1 Albert Quay.

    Not sure that it is actually.

    Not least when 1 Albert Quay in not correctly on the map. And we have seemingly a development taking SOME of the 1 Albert Quay space.

    Or is that three developments, any one of which can [or could] go on Albert Quay?

    Not least add in the confusion over where the event centre is going, Albert Quay or Beamish's?

    So maybe that's five proposals for the same Albert Quay Space.


  • #175
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Not sure that it is actually.

    Not least when 1 Albert Quay in not correctly on the map. And we have seemingly a development taking SOME of the 1 Albert Quay space.

    Or is that three developments, any one of which can [or could] go on Albert Quay?

    Not least add in the confusion over where the event centre is going, Albert Quay or Beamish's?

    So maybe that's five proposals for the same Albert Quay Space.

    No planning permission for 1 Albert quay has nothing to do with a proposed events centre which is on different land owned by a different developer. The only thing in common is the name Albert.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/albert-quay-project-could-be-the-spark-for-dockland-rebirth-250769.html

    One Albert Quay is on right hand corner as going over bridge the events centre is on left.


  • #176
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    I think it's fair to say that when the thread title is Alberts Quay - New Development it's easy to get them mixed


  • #177
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    I passed the site earlier and some of the corrugated roof on the warehouse opposite The Sextant has been removed so it looks like work has started in earnest.


  • #178
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Does anyone know if all of the old warehouses are being demolished to make way for this development? I was just looking over at the Quay last night and noticed that there is a To Let sign up on the old Mainport / Twil buildings.

    I had not noticed those old warehouses on the promo video of the new building.


  • #179
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    The office block is going where the double warehouse now stands. BAM have put a banner across the front of the warehouse advertising the place. Mainport and the former panel beaters next to them is where the conference centre is to be built.


  • #180
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    I thought the proposed site for this conference centre was down by The Idel Hour. There or The Beamish & Crawford site..


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  • #181
    ofcork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Between the sextant and the idle hour for the event centre.


  • #182
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    ofcork wrote: »
    Between the sextant and the idle hour for the event centre.

    Ah right. I never go near that area so I forget it exists. Although, I know someone who's involved with that arts project based on that block. They were all set to move to the old Brooks Haughton site last month but have now decided to stay put "for the foreseeable future." That doesn't sound like construction of the event centre will be starting anytime soon.


  • #183
    moyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners


    Maybe a mod could change the name of the thread to make it clearer it's about the new office building to avoid confusion. There's another thread about the event centre going already http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057061672&page=13


  • #184
    moyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners


    I noticed they've started work taking down the old warehouses. They look to be making quick work of it too.


  • #185
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    moyners wrote: »
    I noticed they've started work taking down the old warehouses. They look to be making quick work of it too.
    Was thinking it looked alot better and noticed work had started yesterday as I was driving past

    Going to be interesting to see how it develops


  • #186
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    moyners wrote: »
    I noticed they've started work taking down the old warehouses. They look to be making quick work of it too.
    You could talk them into coming down.


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  • #187
    Jimmy Bottles
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭Jimmy Bottles


    When is it estimated to be completed ?


  • #188
    mik_da_man
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭mik_da_man


    Jimmy Bottles wrote: »
    When is it estimated to be completed ?

    May 2016 when the new tenants move in.


  • #189
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    I passed by the site yesterday evening. The old warehouses opposite The Sextant are almost completely gone. It's weird to see a Cork landmark disappear like that.


  • #190
    Pitcairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Pitcairn


    Going Strong wrote: »
    I passed by the site yesterday evening. The old warehouses opposite The Sextant are almost completely gone. It's weird to see a Cork landmark disappear like that.

    The warehouses were distinctive but I'm glad they're going. Nice to see development in the city.


  • #191
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Pitcairn wrote: »
    The warehouses were distinctive but I'm glad they're going. Nice to see development in the city.
    Especially in an area that has massive potential to look beautiful - that could be a lovely place to go for a walk - much like the grand canal dock is


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  • #192
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Pitcairn wrote: »
    The warehouses were distinctive but I'm glad they're going. Nice to see development in the city.

    I'm not sad to see them go. More that it's weird to see them no longer there as they've been part of the Cork waterfront for so long.


  • #193
    ofcork
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    They didn't look great there for a long time being as old as they were,no aesthetic appeal so no conservation.


  • #194
    Pablo Escobar
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    Going Strong wrote: »
    I passed by the site yesterday evening. The old warehouses opposite The Sextant are almost completely gone. It's weird to see a Cork landmark disappear like that.

    Landmark? A landmark is generally positive. They were awful.


  • #195
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Well they're gone now I suppose that's the main thing :)

    Will give a drive down there over the weekend to see how it looks but I'd imagine it's alot nicer than what it was


  • #196
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,166 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    Landmark? A landmark is generally positive. They were awful.

    That is a matter of opinion. They had been allowed to fall into a bad state or repair and looked pretty bad but I really liked the form of those buildings and, personally, I will miss them.
    I'm not saying they should have stayed but I like old industrial buildings in cities. I'd like to have seen something done with them or maybe they could have been incorporated into a new development.
    I'm a big fan of R&H Hall building too but most people would knock that in a heartbeat.

    Having said that, I quite like the look of the new building despite it being a bit safe and bland.


  • #197
    KCAccidental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    I'd love for the R&H hall building to be renovated with some lighting as well and converted to some sort of cultural use in the future.

    Now that's a landmark!


  • #198
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    KCAccidental wrote: »
    I'd love for the R&H hall building to be renovated with some lighting as well and converted to some sort of cultural use in the future.

    Now that's a landmark!

    Back in the boom, R&H Hall was supposed to be a hotel. The developer was told that he couldn't knock it like he wanted to and that the outer skin of the building would have to be kept. This didn't go down too well at all and then this happened purely by coincidence of course.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/fire-at-docks-complex-was-started-deliberately-say-gardai-13742.html


  • #199
    Michael..
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Michael..


    KCAccidental wrote: »
    I'd love for the R&H hall building to be renovated with some lighting as well and converted to some sort of cultural use in the future.

    Now that's a landmark!

    I think it's a great looking building too - has a real rough industrial look. Would be great to see it incorporated into some new development.


  • #200
    54kroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    Are people on about the building with R&H Hall written on the top in blue writing?


  • #201
    Meursault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Meursault


    Michael.. wrote: »
    I think it's a great looking building too - has a real rough industrial look. Would be great to see it incorporated into some new development.

    Jeez, just goes to prove that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is a blight on the city. it looks like a big grey cement block. If this is what we are referring to as a cultural landmark, then god help poor cork.


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