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Politics Café.

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  • #152
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    .

    I've never started a political thread on AH. Again, as has previously been explained, the nature of threads on any topic in AH is unique. This policy has eliminated a unique form of discussion from the site.

    However, judging by the thanks your post garnered I take it that the answer to the third point below is "yes":
    Is the intention to persist with the movement of AH threads deemed political to the Politics Cafe?
    If yes, is there a set time when that decision will be revisited?
    Or is it a case that the policy is decided and set in stone and will not be changed back?

    As I said, the site has the right to eliminate a type of discussion from the site due to Admin / Mod preference. As always, it would be respectful to flat out say that is the intention however, rather than pretending otherwise.


  • #153
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    This policy has eliminated a unique form of discussion from the site.
    But it hasn't; it has simply categorised it in the correct forum.


  • #154
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    But it hasn't; it has simply categorised it in the correct forum.

    You are wrong though and I think you all know this. Due to this 'correct categorisation' the content has disappeared off the site. Discussion that used to take place no longer does.


  • #155
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    You are wrong though and I think you all know this. Due to this 'correct categorisation' the content has disappeared off the site. Discussion that used to take place no longer does.
    It's in the politics forum though. Unless you're arguing that the only forum on the site is After Hours?


  • #156
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    It's in the politics forum though. Unless you're arguing that the only forum on the site is After Hours?

    Yes threads that were once in AH are now in Politics Café:
    As I type this, the forum has recieved 37 posts since Saturday afternoon. Slow.
    70 posts since I posted this, 69 of them in one thread (a lively thread tbf).

    107 posts received there in total over a 100 hour period - i.e. the volume and variety of contributions certain threads would once have received while resident in AH has been eliminated from the website.


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  • #157
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Yes threads that were once in AH are now in Politics Café:





    107 posts received there in total over a 100 hour period - i.e. the volume and variety of contributions certain threads would once have received while resident in AH has been eliminated from the website.
    There is a thread in PC which was moved today - the amount of nonsense garbage posted in there is amazing. You're saying you value quantity over quality. The thread asks a relatively serious (but wholly biased and one-sided) question. Before it was moved, these were some of the choice responses:
    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Facking Cants
    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Rule Britannia.
    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a new moaning tax?
    risteard7 wrote: »
    I like Britain now
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Innit?

    According to you, THIS is what boards.ie is and stands for; all other content on the site is meaningless and worthless. This is what you're arguing for?


  • #158
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    There is a thread in PC which was moved today - the amount of nonsense garbage posted in there is amazing...
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Innit?

    ...According to you, THIS is what boards.ie is and stands for; all other content on the site is meaningless and worthless. This is what you're arguing for?
    Hey!


  • #159
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Yes threads that were once in AH are now in Politics Café:





    107 posts received there in total over a 100 hour period - i.e. the volume and variety of contributions certain threads would once have received while resident in AH has been eliminated from the website.

    Threads are often moved on (think that may have been following feedback on this very thread), the big example the Adams thread, probably 107 posts every few hours on that!

    If I can find a suitable home for it that will attract more users I'll move it.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #160
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Hey!
    If the shoe fits... :D


    Look, I'm not saying that there isn't a time and a place for AH and its content, but the argument that AH should be the driver and main focus of boards.ie as a brand/company is (1) ridiculous and (2) not our decision.


  • #161
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    According to you, THIS is what boards.ie is and stands for; all other content on the site is meaningless and worthless. This is what you're arguing for?

    Don't try to put words in my mouth sir, and try to refrain from using strawman arguments, good lad. There is no doubt that AH posts garner more quantity and consequently lower average quality posts. That has never been in dispute. However, amongst that increase in quantity is unique conversation - political opinions from a much broader spectrum than any speciality Politics forum will ever garner.

    In anycase, our differing opinions on the quality of particular strands of discussion don't mean a great deal. Facts are that there used to be discussion that took place in AH that no longer takes place on the site due to the recent change in AH policy.

    If an Admin or Mod wants to come in and clarify that was a deliberate intention because of their opinion on the quality of that type of discussion and they won't be changing the policy back or reviewing it that is 100% okay by me.

    Pretending that there is no difference since the policy was applied is simply false, and talking about the Politics Café becoming hugely popular in the future is folly.


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  • #162
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    If the shoe fits... :D


    Look, I'm not saying that there isn't a time and a place for AH and its content, but the argument that AH should be the driver and main focus of boards.ie as a brand/company is (1) ridiculous and (2) not our decision.

    Quote where that argument was put forth please.


  • #163
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Don't try to put words in my mouth sir, and try to refrain from using strawman arguments, good lad.
    I'm nobody's "good lad" first of all. Secondly, how exactly is it a straw man? You said "the volume and variety of contributions certain threads would once have received while resident in AH has been eliminated from the website."

    To which I replied with examples of the "volume and variety" of content we are so sorely missing out on. I refer you back to those shining examples of your "volume and variety of contributions"

    There is no doubt that AH posts garner more quantity and consequently lower average quality posts. That has never been in dispute. However, amongst that increase in quantity is unique conversation - political opinions from a much broader spectrum than any speciality Politics forum will ever garner.
    This would make sense if posts were just shuffled off in the dark with no redirect. When you click on the link in AH, you are taken to Politics where you are reminded the local charter applies - therefore the volume is still present, but the "lower average quality posts" are removed.

    Why should we have to filter through 10 dumb posts to get 2 good ones?

    In anycase, our differing opinions on the quality of particular strands of discussion don't mean a great deal. Facts are that there used to be discussion that took place in AH that no longer takes place on the site due to the recent change in AH policy.
    But you have yet to explain why this conversation should take place in AH at all or why AH posters who have contributions to make to a valid discussion are averse to posting outside of AH.

    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Quote where that argument was put forth please.
    Your argument in this thread on multiple occasions has been that content has "disappeared" from the site as a result of not being in AH. It appears to also be that the "site" (and it's a phrase you have used multiple times) is suffering the "volume and variety" of content by not having content in AH.

    I can only take that as your indication that you believe AH to be the driver of site content.


  • #164
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    AH's massive userbase; its quick moving nature; its diversity; and its informal nature make it great imo. What you can do about this I have no idea, but moving a topic to a dedicated forum doesn't interest me. It isn't the topic that attracts me to AH, it's the unique nature of discussion on the topic once it is within AH that I like.
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I wouldn't personally. That's not a slight on the effort you're putting in here (par for the course for yourself!) to take on board feedback and tailor it to a 'politics light' audience. It's just that I know the random AH horde won't follow the link.

    This really is a case of appreciating the nature of an AH conversation. If I want to discuss a subject seriously and engage in a rigorous debate it isn't where I'd go. But it's always fascinating to compare and contrast that serious conversation with a few pages of AH on the same subject.

    I used to dislike AH for all the reasons I appreciate it now. It's a one of a kind resource that provides a window into various throwaway and half baked Irish perceptions on the happenings of the day. You are doing a great job attempting to take feedback on board here, genuinely, but you can't offset the reality that once an AH thread is redirected elsewhere it becomes a very different animal.

    If it was technically possible to categorise AH threads so that they appear in two places at once - i.e. in AH and economics for example - with no overt warnings or change in the appearance of the thread you might be onto something. Mix the AH horde with the topic specialists. There would be governance issues there and an abrupt clash of perspectives, but the specialists would know that they can click out from the large strange thread to discuss the topic more stringently in their 'home' thread. This would have the dual affect of keeping AH what it is while redistributing that footfall across the site.

    My first two posts in this thread.

    You are entitled to your opinion that discussions in AH lack merit, you wouldn't be the first to hold such an opinion.
    This would make sense if posts were just shuffled off in the dark with no redirect. When you click on the link in AH, you are taken to Politics where you are reminded the local charter applies - therefore the volume is still present, but the "lower average quality posts" are removed.

    Why should we have to filter through 10 dumb posts to get 2 good ones?

    I get tired of repeating myself but, for whatever reason, it is not in dispute that people are not following that link:

    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    While this debate continues, every thread that is moved to politics cafe runs to an almost immediate dead stop.

    I was strongly against the decision to remove politics threads from AH as I used to contribute to and enjoy such content. Now it simply doesn't exist.

    I say reverse the change until you can think of something that works.
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    As I type this, the forum has recieved 37 posts since Saturday afternoon. Slow.
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    70 posts since I posted this, 69 of them in one thread (a lively thread tbf).

    I don't need to explain why that is the case - i.e. why they are averse to moving outside AH. I am simply informing you that it is a reality and it would be better if people stopped pretending it wasn't. Simply put, if you rule a topic out of bounds in AH you lose the unique nature of AH discussion on a given topic - it doesn't replicate outside of AH.
    Your argument in this thread on multiple occasions has been that content has "disappeared" from the site as a result of not being in AH. It appears to also be that the "site" (and it's a phrase you have used multiple times) is suffering the "volume and variety" of content by not having content in AH.

    I can only take that as your indication that you believe AH to be the driver of site content.

    It's not an 'argument' so much as an observable fact. I'll be kind and say that you've reached an incorrect assumption and may refer again to my initial posts in this thread as an indicator of my general position on AH within the website as a whole. I've never said AH is or should be a 'driver' of site content. It is however a unique corner of the site and offers a different posting experience to speciality forums.

    Again, I accept that the site has a problem in regards to AH sucking in posting and posters across the site. However, just moving topics out of AH is not the way to redress it.


  • #165
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Again, I accept that the site has a problem in regards to AH sucking in posting and posters across the site. However, just moving topics out of AH is not the way to redress it.

    What is?


  • #166
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Brilliant! Thank you both for suggesting this possible solution. As a result of your Feedback thread, the politics mods are chatting about this now. As a quick and wonderfully "lazy" solution to increasing member awareness and participation, could Politics Café have an obvious link in AH? We have other forums with links between categories like this. Then it would not make any difference if the Politics Café first appeared under AH or Politics, because it would appear simultaneously under both.

    What do the AH mods/Cmods think? Good idea or not? It might reduce the number of threads transferred in the future?

    We now have that link, but the detailed bit is blank, last post, number of ....

    Not sure if thats just on my pc, but if these items were populated, the last post could serve as teaser to get people to take a look.


  • #167
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    What is?

    I have no idea though I would suggest a radical reshaping of user behaviour and preference probably requires a radical solution. Simply saying 'we've recategorised discussion, please proceed to the correct forum' and walking away ain't going to work.


  • #168
    0byme75341jo28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭0byme75341jo28


    The aigu on café is missing in the AH link... >.>


  • #169
    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    The é was causing havoc with mod controls so had to be removed.


  • #170
    0byme75341jo28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭0byme75341jo28


    Ruu wrote: »
    The é was causing havoc with mod controls so had to be removed.

    Ha, really? :pac:


  • #171
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Ruu wrote: »
    The é was causing havoc with mod controls so had to be removed.

    Alt 130 :D


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  • #172
    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Brenda Handsome Pink wrote: »
    Ha, really? :pac:

    no joke, code chucked a wobbler when it was added I believe. :)


  • #173
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #174
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    i'd just like to point out the obvious dual standards (again?) going on too. All are 1st page, busy threads...

    Here's a thread about bus fares
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057316670&page=2
    why is that not insta-bumped to C&T

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057316837
    Ring of kerry thread -> tourism or Kerry fora

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057249879
    Irish water -> infrastructure (if not politics)

    Why are political threads so zealously picked up upon in comparison to others? Especially when PC is easily the quietest of the alternative forums most thread are likely to end up in.


  • #175
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    i'd just like to point out the obvious dual standards (again?) going on too. All are 1st page, busy threads...

    Here's a thread about bus fares
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057316670&page=2
    why is that not insta-bumped to C&T

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057316837
    Ring of kerry thread -> tourism or Kerry fora

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057249879
    Irish water -> infrastructure (if not politics)

    Why are political threads so zealously picked up upon in comparison to others? Especially when PC is easily the quietest of the alternative forums most thread are likely to end up in.

    Because of the preferences of the current AH mod team.


  • #176
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    They are singular examples. If they took up half the front page and people were complaining then there would be an issue.


  • #177
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    They are singular examples. If they took up half the front page and people were complaining then there would be an issue.

    How many people need to complain?
    What ratio of complaining posts : posts on topics being complained about need to apply roughly before a topic is moved out of AH?
    Once a topic is moved out, what criteria would need to apply for the decision to be revisited?


  • #178
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    They are singular examples. If they took up half the front page and people were complaining then there would be an issue.

    so if I reported the bus fare one it would be acted upon or does it need lots of reports? picking this one in particular as it is the most obvious one that should be moved, very specific to the C&T forum after all...

    I guess i just don't understand why even only the most vaguely political one gets moved but very specific topics relating to other fields tend not to. If it was only very specifically political threads being moved, while the more general ones stayed it would make more sense.


  • #179
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    so if I reported the bus fare one it would be acted upon or does it need lots of reports? picking this one in particular as it is the most obvious one that should be moved, very specific to the C&T forum after all...

    I guess i just don't understand why even only the most vaguely political one gets moved but very specific topics relating to other fields tend not to. If it was only very specifically political threads being moved, while the more general ones stayed it would make more sense.

    Because you get a lot of political and quasi-political ones, so you wind up with a general policy of moving them, because AH isn't supposed to be about that.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #180
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    When you are in m.boards.ie and click on the After Hours link to the Politics cafe it changes to the main site version.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #181
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Just as a point of order (and apologies if already discussed) but there was talk of PC being a sub forum of AH being an option on the table - I presume this would mean users banned from AH would also be then banned from PC?


  • #182
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    K-9 wrote: »
    That my view of it, unfortunately it never really took off. It could well be the forum is too divided or set in its ways!

    Well seems I got that one wrong, the cafe seems to be thriving and it isn't just flooded with Irish Water stuff.

    Irish Economy looks like it could be moved back to the main forum.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #183
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    K-9 wrote: »
    Well seems I got that one wrong, the cafe seems to be thriving and it isn't just flooded with Irish Water stuff.

    Irish Economy looks like it could be moved back to the main forum.
    It started to pick up when I started posting there. Love me or hate me, my milkshake posts bring all the boys to the yard.


  • #184
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #185
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I did bring up the suggestion of merging some forums with the politics mod team again, but we've had manpower issues the last few months. I'll bump it up again in the next couple of days.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #186
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    K-9 wrote: »
    we've had manpower issues the last few months.

    It might be prudent to ask the admins to reassign a few mods on a temporary basis because my spidey sense is saying that you are going to have a very busy couple of weeks with the whole Russian situation.


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  • #187
    Crann na Beatha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • #188
    Permabear
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  • #189
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    There's probably some truth in that but it might be more suited to our own discussion on the rules thread. More defined demarcation might be needed!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #190
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #191
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Actually Permabear I think the main forum would be fine if there was enough manpower to enforce the rules expediently and consistently. The problem from my perspective is that when this doesn't happen it becomes a very frustrating place to engage in. If you look at the Ukraine/Russian threads a "user" who has an agenda can derail a thread and it can be hours before it is dealt with by a mod.

    If as stated there is a man power problem then really the mods should make a request in the mod forum for some of the mods to stand in on a temporary basis until the mods all have enough time to cover the forum again or until the long term absentee mods are replaced.


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  • #192
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #193
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Just to make the point that creating the Politics Café was done as part of a general effort to stop the black hole of AH sucking the entirety of Boards into it...
    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Since there isn't actually a numeric limit on the number of mods, not removing disengaged mods doesn't prevent the taking on of new mods, although it may create the illusion even to the mod team of there being less need for new mods.

    As to taking on temporary mods, the problem with it is that unless they're regular Politics posters, there's a question of whether the balance between time spent getting used to the forum and the extra manpower is a good tradeoff. And if they are regular Politics posters, they're usually fairly well entrenched in one side or other of a lot of the usual debates.

    This isn't a problem unique to Politics - as a CMod I see it pretty regularly across all forums.

    However, things have moved forward another notch or two recently, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #194
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #195
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I know, but removing Sceptre from the roster feels like abandoning history.
    Understood. I do appreciate that point. I think it's much better to build a team of active, engaged mods who will be with the forum over the longer term.

    Now we just need to find suckers. Suckers with clean records who are simultaneously sane enough to mod politics and insane enough to agree.

    Easy peasy.
    I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. ;)

    Absolutely.
    That's good -- I'm pleased to hear that, and will look forward to developments.

    Well, I'm hoping to promote the idea that having got the Café up and running, we demarcate the two rather more sharply by vigorously upping the standards in the main forum.

    "Vigor et severitatem - solum adultis".

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #196
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I know, but removing Sceptre from the roster feels like abandoning history.



    Now we just need to find suckers. Suckers with clean records who are simultaneously sane enough to mod politics and insane enough to agree.

    Easy peasy.



    Absolutely.



    Well, I'm hoping to promote the idea that having got the Café up and running, we demarcate the two rather more sharply by vigorously upping the standards in the main forum.

    "Vigor et severitatem - solum adultis".

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Do such suckers.....I mean posters exist? :D


  • #197
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Do such suckers.....I mean posters exist? :D

    We have cautious hopes...very cautious...

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    We have cautious hopes...very cautious...

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    if you manage to find one let me know, i have a holy grail i would like to find and feel you could be just the man for the job in helping me :pac:


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    Permabear
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    gandalf
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    And thats what a certain type of poster is counting on especially if they realise there are gaps.
    This is not the fault of the active mods, it should be noted. Some mods in recent years have gone above and beyond the call of duty. But we have regularly seen a couple of mods trying their best to manage a main forum and seven subforums, which is difficult even without the recent effort to encourage an influx of AH posters via Politics Café.

    I've been there myself. I modded Politics for years and there was nothing worse than being stretched thin.

    I agree totally the mods who are around are doing too much. Setting up the Politics Cafe and dumping in threads from After Hours without adding additional mods is a serious error. I think that they should add a couple of the After Hours mods to the roster of the Politics Cafe to help out at the very least. They don't need to know the ins and out of the main Politics forum as the charter in the Politics Cafe would be very similar to After Hours (don't be a dick).

    If history is any indicator, neither of those things will happen. Temporary mods are never taken on. Long-term disengaged/absentee mods are rarely ever removed, even if they show up for five minutes once every other month.

    They have happened in the past. It happened in Politics and Soccer when I was there. Admittedly it was a long time ago and in one case it was a couple of Admins who weighted in.

    I have always said that if a mod is absent more than a couple of months they should be removed. It gives a false sense of cover.


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    Permabear
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