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***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

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    #2
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    An opinion of your own too much to ask for?


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    Crann na Beatha
    Registered Users Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Dr. Kenneth Noisewater


    It makes sense that they're looking for PPSNs to identify the correct allowance each household should get.

    However, I think that the whole thing is a step too far, considering my parents haven't been able to drink their water supply for the past year due to Cryptosporidium.

    Edit: Why does there always seem to be a vulture on this website just waiting to pounce on an OP for not giving their own opinion? Its gas.


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I have no problem giving them PPS and DD details. PPS is the only way to ensure households get the correct allowance per person. It's no big deal as far as I'm concerned.


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    Geomy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    This whole Irish Water thing is a farce.
    In my opinion its just another job for the boys, robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    I'd like to see a breakdown of how it is managed from the top to the bottom.

    it's another way of creating jobs with huge salaries for the top down to middle management.

    More than likely the guy's on the ground doing the hard work will be paid a minimum wage,with an incremental raise of 27 cent onto their hourly rate every 2 year's.

    Anywho I think it's a bit too much to be asking people for their pps nos.

    In that case they can probably deduct the payments from your welfare or tax credits. ..


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    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Phoenix wrote: »
    Care to read up again thanks,was typing it and since you were asking wheres your own opinion?

    Nice ninja edit.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    Dont see the big deal here in requesting pps numbers.


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    Firefox11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭Firefox11


    Property Tax....Water Tax.....No Difference really.


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    #10
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,493 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Will be giving nothing voluntarily.


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    #11
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    i don't know why they cannot just set it up like another utility like electric ireland or bord gais they don't need your pps numbers!

    pay for what you use, and feck these "allowances" which are probably going to be abused anyway with fake pps numbers, or people resident outside the state's relatives...etc using their pps numbers.


    its just messy,


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    Mr McBoatface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    So it seems Irish water will be asking you for your PPS number - LINK. However Irish water seem to be unaware they legally can't seek this information. By law the only company's and agencies that can seek such information have to be listed as approved by the Department Of Social Protection, The Minister Of Social Protection and written into legislation , see question 8 on the welfare web site - LINK

    A Full and comprehensive list of the department and agencies the DSP can share PPS data with is listed here - Schedule 5 of the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005". Irish Water are not listed.

    More info on the use of PPSN here -LINK

    So After hours will you help Irish water break the law ?


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    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    So After hours will you help Irish water break the law ?

    I will be supplying Irish water with my PPS because I'm an anarchist.


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    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    On a water charges related note, Simon Coveney while giving an interview on newstalk this morning said

    (at the moment Irish taxpayers are paying about 1.2 billion euros for the cost of water, water is not free at the moment)

    His comment contradicts the argument some people make on internet forums that water is somehow free and now all of a sudden we need to pay for it, when we already paying for it through general taxation.


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    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    There is no law that says they cannot seek your PPS number.

    There may be one that says you do not have to give it to them, which is a completely different matter.


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    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Merged these threads together.

    Mod.


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    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Nice ninja edit.

    Oh dear. Best call it a day, fella.


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    Mr McBoatface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    Valetta wrote: »
    There is no law that says they cannot seek your PPS number.

    There may be one that says you do not have to give it to them, which is a completely different matter.

    According to the data protection commisioner you are wrong - see question 11.1 - http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Use-of-PPSN/1247.htm
    It is an offence for any person or body to request or hold a record of a PPS number unless they are permitted by law (the Social Welfare Acts)to do so. It is the duty of all bodies to ensure that they are specified in law as being so entitled before they request or hold a record of any person's PPS number.


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    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    My guess is you either give them the PPSN or you get no allowance which would be in their interest so I doubt they give a ****
    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    According to the data protection commisioner you are wrong - see question 11.1 - http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Use-of-PPSN/1247.htm

    They will probably have permission.


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    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Waiting for the PPS tax.


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    Mr.McLovin
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Mr.McLovin


    a childs allocation is enough for a quick shower and one flush of the jacks...

    ye wouldn't want the scutters I tells ye


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    sammy37
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭sammy37


    They can have my pps no. along with my wages ,my house (property tax) and everything else I have bar the clothes on my back or do they want them as well.


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    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Mr.McLovin wrote: »
    a childs allocation is enough for a quick shower and one flush of the jacks...

    ye wouldn't want the scutters I tells ye

    Stop feeding them cheap curried chips and you'll be grand.


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    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    According to the data protection commisioner you are wrong - see question 11.1 - http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Use-of-PPSN/1247.htm

    Ok. I stand corrected.

    However, I would assume that the law will be amended, if not already done to allow for them to seek PPS numbers.

    Perhaps the websites haven't been updated?


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    delahuntv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »
    considering my parents haven't been able to drink their water supply for the past year due to Cryptosporidium.

    .

    Surely this is a good reason to give Irish water your full support - they will invest and have a lot more expert to correct issues than any local council.

    It worked very well in the UK where there used to be huge issues with water quality - now almost unheard of because there is constant investment.

    Asx for PPS numbers - we give airlines our passport numbers for going on a 30 minute journey. All it means is peope don't cheat and the honest ones don't pay for those who cheat.


    (I used to live in US and also UK - so am well used to water charges and property taxes at multiples of what we are being charged here!)


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    Fukuyama
    Registered Users Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    According to the data protection commisioner you are wrong - see question 11.1 - http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Use-of-PPSN/1247.htm


    There are several other acts which allow, or even require companies to ASK for a PPS. The Terrorism/Money Laundering acts requires that banks ask all new applicants to supply a PPSN - I don't think you have to give it though.

    Those who do not supply their PPS might find themselves punished in some ways. For example, if you lose your job the Department of Social Protection would likely not be able to talk to Irish Water concerning an allowance. So by not playing ball you could be kicking a can down the road.


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    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    So by not playing ball you could be kicking a can down the road.

    I love cliches, but generally try to avoid them like the plague. :D


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    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    What will they do with all those who don't have PPS numbers?


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    Mr.McLovin
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Mr.McLovin


    Valetta wrote: »
    Stop feeding them cheap curried chips and you'll be grand.

    I'll stick with the curry, its cheaper


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    Mr McBoatface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    Valetta wrote: »
    Ok. I stand corrected.

    However, I would assume that the law will be amended, if not already done to allow for them to seek PPS numbers.

    Perhaps the websites haven't been updated?

    Not as simple as updating a website, the hole data-protection and PPS numbers is a minefield......especially for a private company, wouldn't be so much if they where a state run company.


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    sammy37
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭sammy37


    delahuntv wrote: »
    Surely this is a good reason to give Irish water your full support - they will invest and have a lot more expert to correct issues than any local council.

    It worked very well in the UK where there used to be huge issues with water quality - now almost unheard of because there is constant investment.

    Asx for PPS numbers - we give airlines our passport numbers for going on a 30 minute journey. All it means is peope don't cheat and the honest ones don't pay for those who cheat.


    (I used to live in US and also UK - so am well used to water charges and property taxes at multiples of what we are being charged here!)

    I also lived in uk and may i ask what were your bin charges ,motor tax ,doctor fees,medicine charges and school fees compared to here? They were multiple times less than here so your not comparing like for like are you.


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