Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 03:15PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

What are the aggregate score odds Kew?

Not sure mate. I just saw it in sporting section of racing post. Boyles was the bookie.

Oddschecker.com will help I say im on phone

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 03:16PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

I'm honestly lost as to why you're still in tbh.

Felt the players have been most often then not a disgrace. But at this point who am I kidding...... the current getting way to strong to Moyes to swim through this one.

There is alot of stuff in the press today about unrest in the club, but most notably that has slipped the cracks, massive concern coming from Ed Woodward.

While he feels he has exceeded expectations this season with commerical signings, his evaluation is being closely tired with onfield performances. And he is feeling aggreived that alot of blame is being shifted in his direction over the summer transfer window. His major gripe is he is being evaluated based on the performances of a man that the club as a majority did not select.

SO I also found what appears to be the best signs of how MOyes came to selection. I'd read a few things but rarely believed them, but it does infact appear the board were not in favour of Moyes being appointed, and that the Glazers took sides with Ferguson who recommended him, after attempts to court Guardiola failed.

Pffft, to be honest spent most of my day reading stuff, other forums etc. and I feel just depressed and deflated about the whole situation at the club now.

I'd say at this point I am probably very much Moyes out brigade now....and **** him for making me this way, I tarnished a decent reputation defending him.

Hococop · 27-03-2014 03:18PM

onemorechance wrote: »

It's been mooted that it's the Qatar's sovereign wealth fund; the owners of PSG. It has also been mooted that the Glazer's have often received offers but always priced the club too high.

im guessing that they need a constant revenue to support the tampa bay buccaneers who need a big revamp cause they are awful in the NFL at the moment

bucketybuck · 27-03-2014 03:24PM

In my opinion the word Klopp is used far too much in this thread.

It seems everybody would be delighted to get him, but he would be just as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes was so I don't really see why people are going on so much about him.

A good comparison would be AVB, a young up and coming manager who achieved success and so was Europes hot property. He then came to England and failed twice, and there is little to suggest that it would be any different with Klopp.

Ancelotti and Van Gaal I can understand, managers that have proven their capabilities time and again. But Klopp has had moderate success at one club, its every bit as likely that he is nothing more than the current flavour of the month.

Don't get me wrong, Klopp could come to United and be a roaring success, who can tell at this stage. But appointing him would be every bit as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes, so I won't be losing sleep praying that he comes to United any time soon.

Mikeyt086 · 27-03-2014 03:30PM

Blatter wrote: »

Miguel Delaney epitomises this.

I find that there's very few journalists with genuine insightful contacts within the top clubs. You could probably count them on one hand tbh.

You're wrong there.

I'd actually challenge you to go and find the last Delaney article that was him making a guess, where he didn't state it as such.

Very rarely does he put his name to something he hasn't been told from someone he trusts. The last thing I remember was saying United would sign Juan Mata about 8 days before the rest caught on to it.

Over on r/reddevils they have a scale for journalists with tiers to show their accuracy, and Delaney has broken into the top tier along with Daniel Taylor. Don't know where you got the idea that he was a spoofer, one of the better ones actually. Not to mention that he will explain and debate with his twitter followers when asked.

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 03:30PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, Klopp could come to United and be a roaring success, who can tell at this stage. But appointing him would be every bit as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes, so I won't be losing sleep praying that he comes to United any time soon.

Champions league pedigree including a final, over the course of 3-4 years.
Two bundesliga titles outmanouvering and muscling a financial powerhouse in Bayern

His teams style is most impressive. A high tempo electric game of ball that can sometimes cause a slack result but in most cases is pretty dominant.

Has achieved all of this, without the hint of a budget, and loosing star players pretty much every year.

The reason he is mentioned because he could be tempted. Who in their right mind is interested longterm in a project where when you reach the pinnacle, your rival just nicks your best players, and then reasserts dominance.

Rubber_Soul · 27-03-2014 03:34PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Felt the players have been most often then not a disgrace. But at this point who am I kidding...... the current getting way to strong to Moyes to swim through this one.

I understand why you feel like that and the players haven't done him any favours whatsoever but ultimately even that has to fall on his shoulders. Part of a managers job is to motivate his players and by failing to do so, Moyes has failed that aspect of his job.

I've sympathy for the man, not because I think he's a nice bloke (I don't) but because of the perfect storm that's developed this season. The natural friction of change with Fergie leaving and possible doubts in the players minds about his replacement compounded by a poor window, horrible pre-season tour in terms of games and hours travelled and the toughest start to the league I can recall. Top managers weather these things and eventually grow into the role, Moyes appears to actually be shrinking in the role as time goes on.

I could understand the desire to cut him some slack if you could see he was trying to implement something new at the club (alá Rodgers at Liverpool) and you could say well maybe he's just a few players short but I see what he's trying to do. But you can't look at what's been going on and and see any longterm gameplan or progression.

xtal191 · 27-03-2014 03:34PM

I still think Klopp will end up at Barcelona

bullvine · 27-03-2014 03:34PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

In my opinion the word Klopp is used far too much in this thread.

It seems everybody would be delighted to get him, but he would be just as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes was so I don't really see why people are going on so much about him.

A good comparison would be AVB, a young up and coming manager who achieved success and so was Europes hot property. He then came to England and failed twice, and there is little to suggest that it would be any different with Klopp.

Ancelotti and Van Gaal I can understand, managers that have proven their capabilities time and again. But Klopp has had moderate success at one club, its every bit as likely that he is nothing more than the current flavour of the month.

Don't get me wrong, Klopp could come to United and be a roaring success, who can tell at this stage. But appointing him would be every bit as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes, so I won't be losing sleep praying that he comes to United any time soon.

Klopp has won numerous things.. He also has personality. Two huge traits.

slingerz · 27-03-2014 03:37PM

Those hoping for Klopp to replace Moyes must realise that Barcelona will be looking to replace Martino in the summer so would be heavy competition for Klopp if he were to be available

Red Crow · 27-03-2014 03:37PM

Blatter wrote: »

Miguel Delaney epitomises this.

I find that there's very few journalists with genuine insightful contacts within the top clubs. You could probably count them on one hand tbh.

Exactly. He's rehashing news and putting 2 + 2 all the time.

But as usual his mates here will defend him. Awful

27-03-2014 03:37PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd say at this point I am probably very much Moyes out brigade now....and **** him for making me this way, I tarnished a decent reputation defending him.

Don't worry Doc, you're not alone there. Many of us in here gave Moyes the benefit of that doubt far longer than he had any right to get it. Some of us weren't even asking that much from him in the first season, just for him not to bring the club to its lowest point in recent history, not to become fodder for anyone and everyone in the league, not to paint the picture that the club is in an unending downward spiral.

bangkok · 27-03-2014 03:40PM

I not so sure about klopp.... now if anchelotti became available in the summer I think united should go all in to get him if they are sacking moyes. The man is very likeable and has a great track record

Lucas Hood · 27-03-2014 03:44PM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

use £25m of it to pay off Moyes.

Im pretty sure that the Glazers would have inserted some sort of clause that would mean they wouldnt have to pay up Moyes full contract, whatever we say about them they are smart businessmen. I would think the 6 year contract was more a symbolic thing!

Wouldn't even need to pay him £25m. Put him on gardening leave & keep paying him until he goes and finds another job & when he does you stop paying him.

I bet he'll want to get back into the game pretty quick to try show people he's a decent manager.

bangkok · 27-03-2014 03:46PM

and I wouldn't put all the blame on moyes door either, some of the players attitudes in some games has been disgraceful. Rvp at home to Liverpool a prime example...."I don't care win lose or draw im getting 200k a week"

3 of the back 4 are leaving in the summer so since fergie left they have been on holidays for a year. carrick is a year older and not as mobile as he once was. he got rid of Anderson quicky but was left with cleverly. young is not a man utd player. Valencia is just awful, wouldn't cross a decent ball to save his life. a lot of dead wood there than needs to be shipped out in the summer. just think if united got a decent centre half (prob garay) in the summer, a left back and a world class midfielder or 2 tings would be a whole lot different

bucketybuck · 27-03-2014 03:49PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Champions league pedigree including a final, over the course of 3-4 years.
Two bundesliga titles outmanouvering and muscling a financial powerhouse in Bayern

His teams style is most impressive. A high tempo electric game of ball that can sometimes cause a slack result but in most cases is pretty dominant.

Has achieved all of this, without the hint of a budget, and loosing star players pretty much every year.

I never said he hasn't been a success at his current club, of course he has.

But my point still stands, he would be a far bigger risk than the likes of Ancellotti. People on here say that United should have went for a proven, winning manager instead of Moyes, but Klopp is no more a proven manager than AVB was.

I just find it strange that people say United shouldn't have been hiring an unproven manager like Moyes, and then in the same breath want Klopp or Simone appointed. Klopp or Simone could be brilliant managers, but they will be every bit as big a gamble as Moyes was.

Crimson King · 27-03-2014 03:49PM

After Madrids defeat last night I think it not improbable that Madrid will sack Ancelotti. Would love him at our club

bangkok · 27-03-2014 03:50PM

and Barcelona wont be going after klopp, they have other managers they would rather see... Valverde or Luis Enrique

27-03-2014 03:50PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Felt the players have been most often then not a disgrace. But at this point who am I kidding...... the current getting way to strong to Moyes to swim through this one.

There is alot of stuff in the press today about unrest in the club, but most notably that has slipped the cracks, massive concern coming from Ed Woodward.

While he feels he has exceeded expectations this season with commerical signings, his evaluation is being closely tired with onfield performances. And he is feeling aggreived that alot of blame is being shifted in his direction over the summer transfer window. His major gripe is he is being evaluated based on the performances of a man that the club as a majority did not select.

SO I also found what appears to be the best signs of how MOyes came to selection. I'd read a few things but rarely believed them, but it does infact appear the board were not in favour of Moyes being appointed, and that the Glazers took sides with Ferguson who recommended him, after attempts to court Guardiola failed.

Pffft, to be honest spent most of my day reading stuff, other forums etc. and I feel just depressed and deflated about the whole situation at the club now.

I'd say at this point I am probably very much Moyes out brigade now....and **** him for making me this way, I tarnished a decent reputation defending him.

Depressed is exactly the word, this might sound a bit sad but I never thought I would take the concerns of a football team and think about it on the way into work when I have a presentation in front of managers on the same day lol
At the end of the day it's only football but why I am so bothered by it all is crazy really.

Macca07 · 27-03-2014 03:53PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Wouldn't even need to pay him £25m. Put him on gardening leave & keep paying him until he goes and finds another job & when he does you stop paying him.

I bet he'll want to get back into the game pretty quick to try show people he's a decent manager.

The only reason for United will to pay him £25mil is that if he doesn't decide to take a job for the next 5 years. It'll be a payoff of £10 million, and he'll be able to work away then.

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 03:54PM

When you see players like Mata looking like a Sunday league player then I think we can forgive certain players for poor performances.

I still expect a commitment, but in fairness this really is a serious problem in the management department.

Timmyctc · 27-03-2014 03:54PM

At work here. What was the story about giggs, Scholes etc that was floating around earlier?

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 03:56PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Wouldn't even need to pay him £25m. Put him on gardening leave & keep paying him until he goes and finds another job & when he does you stop paying him.

I bet he'll want to get back into the game pretty quick to try show people he's a decent manager.

I still don't and will not ever understand how managers receive payments when they are relieved of their duties, ie sacked.

I would ****ing LOVE to lbag my way into a big It job on 100k, get sacked and just pickup the rest of the contract.

This isn't directed at Moyes, just football in general. Why or how did it come to pass that managers who are performing below expectations, get a big nice payoff?

Ernest Oreo · 27-03-2014 03:56PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I just find it strange that people say United shouldn't have been hiring an unproven manager like Moyes, and then in the same breath want Klopp or Simone appointed. Klopp or Simone could be brilliant managers, but they will be every bit as big a gamble as Moyes was.

remind me when Moyes brought Everton to the CL final?
Or won his domestic league again please..

27-03-2014 03:57PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I still don't and will not ever understand how managers receive payments when they are relieved of their duties, ie sacked.

I would ****ing LOVE to lbag my way into a big It job on 100k, get sacked and just pickup the rest of the contract.

This isn't directed at Moyes, just football in general. Why or how did it come to pass that managers who are performing below expectations, get a big nice payoff?

It's probably to stop managers from pushing for wrong dismissal??
At least they won't bother putting up a fight if the take a big pay-off??

Macca07 · 27-03-2014 03:58PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

At work here. What was the story about giggs, Scholes etc that was floating around earlier?

Scholes is to become manager of Salford City if Giggs and Nevile take over the club.

There is other rumours that the "Class of 92" are a front for a Qatari takeover of the club.

bangkok · 27-03-2014 03:59PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

remind me when Moyes brought Everton to the CL final?
Or won his domestic league again please..

german league is very poor in fairness, sure didn't steve McLaren win a league title in Holland

MagicIRL · 27-03-2014 04:00PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

At work here. What was the story about giggs, Scholes etc that was floating around earlier?

Apparently they're buying the Glazers out using Arab money.

It may be that they're actually buying Salford F.C. and not Manchester United F.C. but don't like logic get in the way of wild speculation if you're a journalist!

Maximus Alexander · 27-03-2014 04:03PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I still don't and will not ever understand how managers receive payments when they are relieved of their duties, ie sacked.

I would ****ing LOVE to lbag my way into a big It job on 100k, get sacked and just pickup the rest of the contract.

This isn't directed at Moyes, just football in general. Why or how did it come to pass that managers who are performing below expectations, get a big nice payoff?

It probably has something to do with them being on fixed term contracts, rather than being permanent employees. They're not being 'fired' like an employee for misconduct.

27-03-2014 04:05PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It probably has something to do with them being on fixed term contracts, rather than being permanent employees. They're not being 'fired' like an employee for misconduct.

You said it better than me :pac:

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