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If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

  • 30-04-2012 8:23am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    A report of a school not allowing a girl to enrol because she is pregnant has come to light.

    "We do not take single young girls who are mothers. This is not a suitable school for such "

    "This school is NOT a haven for young pregnant people or for young mothers"

    This is a STATE funded school , all be it run by what seems to be a very single minded person.


    http://www.oco.ie/assets/files/Complaint/OCOInvestigationretheactionsofSchoolA.pdf

    IMO , such a person should not be running a school , really this has no place in a modern country , if we read about this in the Daily Fail in Afghanistan we would all be tutting over our cappucinos wouldn't we !!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    school kids shouldnt really be getting pregnant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    "We do not take single young girls who are mothers. This is not a suitable school for such "
    They don't like it - they don't take her. It's freedom and democracy.
    Whoever likes taking single mothers - open your own school and go ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    "Rabble rabble, should of closed your f***in legs love! rabble rabble etc"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Wasn't there a legal case a while back concerning a gay teacher who couldn't get a job in a catholic school because homosexuality didn't tie in with the ethos of the school. Teacher sued and lost afaik.

    The school could probably argue the same point here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Won't somebody think of the children?

    If the other kids see her pregnant then they might want that too and then they guys would get some

    hoorah!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Old Tom wrote: »
    They don't like it - they don't take her. It's freedom and democracy.
    Whoever likes taking single mothers - open your own school and go ahead.

    You spelled 'discrimination' wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    So guys , what should we do with this girl , send her off to the laundry ?

    Great idea !!

    The thing here , this is not a privately funded school , this is funded by US the tax payer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    So guys , what should we do with this girl , send her of to the laundry ?

    Great idea !!

    The thing here , this is not a privately funded school , this is funded by US the tax payer.
    Ahhhh execute her then


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Was reported yesterday in the Journal.ie.
    I didn't post it because I thought someone else might have already: http://www.thejournal.ie/not-a-dumping-ground-pregnant-girl-turned-away-from-school-433812-Apr2012/
    THE OMBUDSMAN FOR Children Emily Logan has recommended that a school which refused entry to a pregnant girl apologise for the way she was treated.
    The mixed Catholic ethos school in Munster was subject to an investigation by Emily Logan, after the girl and her mother filed a complaint to the ombudsman’s office, reports the Sunday Times....

    Article continues...


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Aspen Scruffy Rim


    Old Tom wrote: »
    They don't like it - they don't take her. It's freedom and democracy.
    Whoever likes taking single mothers - open your own school and go ahead.

    I would agree if it weren't a state funded school


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    You spelled 'discrimination' wrong.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, homophobia, discrimination, racism and all that bull...

    :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, homophobia, discrimination, racism and all that bull...

    :rolleyes:
    No no, just regular aul discrimination in this instance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, homophobia, discrimination, racism and all that bull...

    :rolleyes:

    You making a ToDo list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    luckyfrank wrote: »
    school kids shouldnt really be getting pregnant

    Agreed. But they still need to be educated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    They should have let her attend. She's entitled to an education, regardless of whether she is pregnant or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    luckyfrank wrote: »
    school kids shouldnt really be getting pregnant

    That is true, but when has being pregnant ever affected anyones mental capacity?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    Sierra 117 wrote: »
    They should have let her attend. She's entitled to an education, regardless of whether she is pregnant or not.
    no sleep and studies woudnt work, she made a mistake having a kid that young, i back the school


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    You spelled 'discrimination' wrong.

    Stop discriminating against people who cant spell proper and stuff. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I hope they name and shame the school. I was a teenage parent 15 years ago and never had to deal with any crap like this. I would have thought those attitudes were long gone.

    I don't get it, okay so its a "sin" to have sex outside marriage, its not a sin to have a baby though, the sin is in having sex so in theory anyone in that school who is sexually active should be booted out.

    And nowhere does it say in the bible or is it preached by the church that people who commit sin should be treated like outcasts.

    She is entitled to an education. People give out about single parents claiming benefits and here is a girl who wants to get on in life being told NO. Beggars believe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭FoxT


    Young pregnant girls are a dangerous.It is a well known but little published fact that pregnancy can be contagious. School ethos' up & down the country have been decimated by appalling & apparently uncontrollable outbreaks of pregnancy epidemics.

    This is a situation up with which no self-respecting schoolmaster can put.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    FoxT wrote: »
    Young pregnant girls are a dangerous.It is a well known but little published fact that pregnancy can be contagious. School ethos' up & down the country have been decimated by appalling & apparently uncontrollable outbreaks of pregnancy epidemics.

    This is a situation up with which no self-respecting schoolmaster can put.

    She has had the baby, she is no longer pregnant, she looks no different to any other student.

    Do you think she should be left on the scrap heap now because she made a mistake?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,421 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Agreed. But they still need to be educated.

    Bit late now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,121 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    I do love how this Catholic school judges this girl so harshly, all while claiming to follow teachings like "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", "judge not lest ye be judged" and so on.

    Really shows the hypocrisy that many very religious folk have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭hattoncracker


    When I was in school, there were two or three who had babies.. One girl was massively pregnant during the last few weeks of sixth year, and did her LC with everyone else two weeks after having her kid..

    She also went to college and now she has a job as a medical secretary..
    If our school had thrown her out I wonder where she'd be... That school should definitely be named and shamed..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Kolido wrote: »
    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Agreed. But they still need to be educated.

    Bit late now.
    I know people who have completed school and a degree after having children. It was difficult but they managed it. Individuals like yourself and a few other posters would be the same people who'd be complaining about people claiming social welfare but when a girl with a kid wants to continue her education there's an issue?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭seanmc1980


    i'd have to agree with the school here. there are plenty of schools that will take anybody. If i was a parent of a young teenage girl i wouldn't want a single teen mother telling everyone how much she get off gov, free house etc... she could potentially glamourise her situation to other pupil. fair play to the school for putting the mass before the individual!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    FoxT wrote: »
    This is a situation up with which no self-respecting schoolmaster can put.

    He should get a vasectomy, then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    seanmc1980 wrote: »
    i'd have to agree with the school here. there are plenty of schools that will take anybody. If i was a parent of a young teenage girl i wouldn't want a single teen mother telling everyone how much she get off gov, free house etc... she could potentially glamourise her situation to other pupil. fair play to the school for putting the mass before the individual!
    good post


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    luckyfrank wrote: »

    What's your point, he didn't actually correct your spelling, he was subtly asking you to stop talking s***e ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    eviltwin wrote: »
    She has had the baby, she is no longer pregnant, she looks no different to any other student.

    Do you think she should be left on the scrap heap now because she made a mistake?

    Indeed, never mind that she and the child will be a burden on the state for the next 18 years.

    The only 'education' she cares about is what she is now entitled to from the state.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    mmcn90 wrote: »
    What's your point, he didn't actually correct your spelling, he was subtly asking you to stop talking s***e ;)

    So subtle that we all missed it.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Aspen Scruffy Rim


    A teenage girl gets pregnant, presumably by accident, and suddenly "she only cares about what she can get from the state". And she should live at home in shame forever and never get an education
    You should be ashamed of yourselves
    Adverse Affect
    4.24 The young person at the centre of this complaint spoke about feeling very upset by the decision of School A not to accept her and the rationale for this.
    She said she;
    ‘felt put into a low category, .that I was not good enough to be in his school, I felt ashamed and embarrassed that someone could make me feel this was for being a single young mother. I wouldn’t wish this feeling on anyone else, I was very emotional and stressed by it. I felt hurt and discriminated against as my child wouldn’t stop me having an education’.
    She said it also made her upset for her baby. She explained that this initially made her not want to go back to school at all. She felt that the school did not see that she wanted to
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    complete her education for her and her baby and worries that no one thinks she wants to make a difference for her child. She spoke about worrying about what people will think of her, that they may be judging her and thinking that she will get nowhere.
    4.25 Her mother stated her view that the actions of the school impacted on her daughter’s self-belief, that she has no self-belief and does not believe in her abilities. She reports that as a result of the school’s actions, ‘the damage to her self esteem is immeasurable’.
    4.26 She reported that her daughter had wanted to go back to school, was very motivated to complete her education after having the baby and that this was a positive thing as she had previously been less motivated about school. Her daughter was delighted that she was given a chance to go to the school but this offer was then retracted. She feels that the actions of the school have negatively impacted on her daughter’s motivation and that she and her daughter felt stigmatised and slighted as a family.
    4.27 It is clear that the actions of the school in relation to refusal of enrolment were experienced by the young person as a negative judgement of her. Those actions resulted in her being denied access to the school where she wished to enrol and where a school placement appears to have been available to her, on two separate occasions and was subsequently retracted on each. The manner of communication of the decision not to enrol her was experienced by her and her mother as judgemental and stigmatising. This young person has clearly indicated the importance of education to her by continuing to seek a further school placement whilst managing the significant life changes that have taken place. She has indicated her wish to complete her education for her own betterment and that of her baby.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This young girl can't get into school and yet the bankers who ruined the enonomy can send their kids to any school they want, some justice !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Indeed, never mind that she and the child will be a burden on the state for the next 18 years.

    The only 'education' she cares about is what she is now entitled to from the state.

    And you know that for a fact do you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Burning Eclipse


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Indeed, never mind that she and the child will be a burden on the state for the next 18 years.

    The only 'education' she cares about is what she is now entitled to from the state.

    Did you read the report?

    Your ignorance regarding this situation is staggering and it renders your opinions on this matter invalid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    This young girl can't get into school and yet the bankers who ruined the enonomy can send their kids to any school they want, some justice !

    this is quickly starting to replace Godwin on boards and it's getting tired, fast. wtf have bankers got to a schools decision?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭giles lynchwood


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    So subtle that we all missed it.

    The concord syndrome.Way above your head's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭branbee


    seanmc1980 wrote: »
    i'd have to agree with the school here. there are plenty of schools that will take anybody. If i was a parent of a young teenage girl i wouldn't want a single teen mother telling everyone how much she get off gov, free house etc... she could potentially glamourise her situation to other pupil. fair play to the schoolor putting the mass before the individual!

    And what about if the girl was to prove to her peers that not all single mothers were all about welfare, free houses etc, and some just want to get a good education in order to support her child herself. Id much rather see the 'mass' being proved wrong about their stereotypes of young single mothers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Bubblefett


    I went to a school (all girls) that's policy was if you got pregnant you're out. They backed that up with sex ed classes every week.
    I think the comments used by the school (as seen in the journal) are way too harsh and unprofessional but still I can kind of see where they're coming from, just think they could have said it with a little more tact to spare the poor girls feelings.
    Honestly think the last thing that girl needs is a battle over getting back into school, they need to find her to find her an alternative that is suitable, not make the grass seems greener on the other side she can't cross to. I'd worry that if she got into this school it wouldn't help the girl and she'd be subject to bullying as a result of all this.
    The bottom line of it all, she's a new mother in a vulnerable position, she doen't need a harder life right now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Indeed, never mind that she and the child will be a burden on the state for the next 18 years.

    The only 'education' she cares about is what she is now entitled to from the state.

    Do you know the girl?

    Because she could be like many young parents I know (myself included - I got pregnant at 19) who provides for the child themselves by working their asses off. She is far more likely to end up on welfare if she is refused an education. At least she wanted to get back to school.
    Also, nobody here mentioning the father. He might be mega wealthy and providing for her and the child while she is in school. Or he might be a useless waste of space or something in the middle. Whichever, you can be sure he isn't being denied an education.

    Of course people hear "young mother" and automatically think "welfare, free house etc" without bothering their backsides to educate themselves about the actual statistics.


    I find it ironic that this girl could have gone and had an abortion and been welcomed by the school with open arms but because she did have the child and accept that responsibility, she was punished. Way to go Catholicism!!

    :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭chris2008x


    At least this girl wants to attend school and is not another one of the bad lazy mothers retired for life on the dole and child benefit in this country. We don't even know how this girl got pregnant either she could have been raped or something if so shame on that school.

    Add to this the teaching of sex education in our schools especially in the Catholic schools is not good enough. You can't stop teenagers from having sex but educate them on the risk of STD's pregnancy etc. The catholic schools still go on like its 1946.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    luckyfrank wrote: »
    Back-seat moderating is against the rules too, you know?
    juan.kerr wrote: »
    So subtle that we all missed it.
    Speak for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,421 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I know people who have completed school and a degree after having children. It was difficult but they managed it. Individuals like yourself and a few other posters would be the same people who'd be complaining about people claiming social welfare but when a girl with a kid wants to continue her education there's an issue?

    I agree with you, she should be allowed to complete her education at his school.
    My post was aimed at the education she didn't recieve to discourage her from getting pregnant.

    But of course I don't know her story so I can't comment on that aspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    mmcn90 wrote: »
    he was subtly asking you to stop talking s***e ;)
    In other words, he was discriminating my point of view showing the real AH's leftist tolerance and twisted perception of "freedom of speech" :rolleyes:

    Defending one side on the argument by discriminating another - so fecking logic and wise :rolleyes: - this is as far as most folks in After Hours can get, hence there is no point to treat this forum seriously.

    I'm not gay, pregnant single mother, fighter against Catholic Church or any other Che Guevara - come on, I'm ready for crucifixion in the name of tolerance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    This thread is a trolls dream.

    Yeah, she doesnt deserve an education because she's taking all our jobs, spending all our tax dollars, she's at fault for the banking crash and she's eating all our swans. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    This young girl can't get into school and yet the bankers who ruined the enonomy can send their kids to any school they want, some justice !
    Please tell us that this post is an attempt at satire?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭hattoncracker


    I think I'll be immigrating before I have children.. The attitude of that school stinks... The same Catholic "ethos" is antI-abortion and anti-contraception....

    You can't win in this country if youre a teenage girl who gives in to your hormones...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭seanmc1980


    This young girl can't get into school and yet the bankers who ruined the enonomy can send their kids to any school they want, some justice !

    bankers didn't ruin this country, it was many factors such as governmet, banks, global recession, and people like you and me. pigeon holing the blame on bankers cos its populas just make you look ignorant thh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    The concord syndrome.Way above your head's.

    I was being sarcatic - there was no subtlety involved in the original comment.


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