Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

yabadabado · 05-03-2014 10:46pm

megadodge wrote: »

It was deemed unfit by the very report that was used to deem it unfit before the 2012 Connacht Final. The relevant changes (the seriousness of which were laugably overstated by the crooks called Health & Safety) were made and it was deemed fit. The match was held and wonder of wonder nobody died!!! What a miracle!! However, last year that very same report was used as the excuse for not holding the Connacht final despite the fact that it was perfectly ok the year before.

Go figure what dodginess was behind that one.

The ground is ran down more so than dangerous .The HSA are a disaster.

Syferus · 05-03-2014 10:49pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Shouldn't any centre of excellence just piggy back on Strokestowns facilities Accessible n already at a good standard Plus it would create a serious rival to Brigids surely in Strokestown club itself

Brigids didn't get their structures handed to them and nor should Strokestown. By your logic St. Croan's in Ballintubber could be the location of the COE too. A lot of clubs could do with a facility facelift.

yabadabado · 05-03-2014 10:52pm

I would want any centre of excellence not to be linked to any club,it avoids the inevitable rows that would start .

on the river · 06-03-2014 12:54am

yabadabado wrote: »

I would want any centre of excellence not to be linked to any club,it avoids the inevitable rows that would start .

the row will start location will be claimed by the club it is in.

roscommon need to get funding before they start any project. leitrim

COE is in a mess with no end in sight.

Syferus · 06-03-2014 1:33am

on the river wrote: »

the row will start location will be claimed by the club it is in.

roscommon need to get funding before they start any project. leitrim

COE is in a mess with no end in sight.

We already have funding for the Hyde.

on the river · 06-03-2014 1:48pm

Syferus wrote: »

We already have funding for the Hyde.

If ye do Get on with it and start making Hyde a proud stadium once more.

yabadabado · 06-03-2014 1:51pm

on the river wrote: »

If ye do Get on with it and start making Hyde a proud stadium once more.

It will start before the end of the year.

on the river · 06-03-2014 1:59pm

yabadabado wrote: »

It will start before the end of the year.

Good in the meantime Kilbride will have to do.

Strongbow10 · 06-03-2014 3:51pm

yabadabado wrote: »

It will start before the end of the year.

what are the plans for the Hyde exactly? what are they doing to improve it?

Its all very vague so far with no definate plans/drawings in place

megadodge · 07-03-2014 11:17pm

yabadabado wrote: »

The ground is ran down more so than dangerous .The HSA are a disaster.

In all fairness, I've been hearing this type of language along with words like 'embarrassment' and 'eyesore' in the last few years and I'm quite puzzled. I've been to numerous games there in the same time and I'd like to hear what's so bad about it?

Genuine question, not sniping at anyone.

Lemlin · 07-03-2014 11:45pm

Who do ye play this weekend lads?

megadodge · 07-03-2014 11:48pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Who do ye play this weekend lads?

Fermanagh away. Tough game. Last year they beat us by 6 points but were leading by 12 at one stage.

Lemlin · 08-03-2014 12:29am

megadodge wrote: »

Fermanagh away. Tough game. Last year they beat us by 6 points but were leading by 12 at one stage.

I don't think they are as good this year and would expect ye to win comfortably tbh. They've gone rapidly backwards since the league last year IMO.

We played them in the first game and should have beat them by alot more.

Strongbow10 · 08-03-2014 12:59am

megadodge wrote: »

In all fairness, I've been hearing this type of language along with words like 'embarrassment' and 'eyesore' in the last few years and I'm quite puzzled. I've been to numerous games there in the same time and I'd like to hear what's so bad about it?

Genuine question, not sniping at anyone.

the pitch itself is woeful if you've ever set foot on it

that needs doing for a start

manofwisdom · 08-03-2014 1:26am

megadodge wrote: »

In all fairness, I've been hearing this type of language along with words like 'embarrassment' and 'eyesore' in the last few years and I'm quite puzzled. I've been to numerous games there in the same time and I'd like to hear what's so bad about it?

Genuine question, not sniping at anyone.

From reading the Slattery report at the time they mentioned the cement steps,exits and toilets that had to be improved. A poor pitch doesn't come into it, for example Mayo spent millions on MacHale park and the pitch is still poor.

Lemlin wrote: »

I don't think they are as good this year and would expect ye to win comfortably tbh. They've gone rapidly backwards since the league last year IMO.

We played them in the first game and should have beat them by alot more.

In fairness Fermanagh's best forwards Sean and Seamus Quigley didn't play against Cavan. Roscommon might win but it would be surprising if Fermanagh are beaten comfortably at home.

Lemlin · 08-03-2014 10:02am

manofwisdom wrote: »

In fairness Fermanagh's best forwards Sean and Seamus Quigley didn't play against Cavan. Roscommon might win but it would be surprising if Fermanagh are beaten comfortably at home.

Both played last year in the qualifiers and we still had them beaten by half time. They are a limited side and, for me, Roscommon are the best side in the Division. I'd expect ye to win all seven games the way things are going.

My only hope is that if that does occur, Cavan are right behind yas winning six. A lot is written about Cavan's underage success but people don't realise Roscommon have beaten us at minor, U21 and senior level on a number of occasions in the past few years.

manofwisdom · 08-03-2014 4:05pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Both played last year in the qualifiers and we still had them beaten by half time. They are a limited side and, for me, Roscommon are the best side in the Division. I'd expect ye to win all seven games the way things are going.

My only hope is that if that does occur, Cavan are right behind yas winning six. A lot is written about Cavan's underage success but people don't realise Roscommon have beaten us at minor, U21 and senior level on a number of occasions in the past few years.

Seamus Quigley didn't play he has just returned to their panel and that game was played in Breffni Park. I would expect Cavan at home to beat Roscommon also and Roscommon can't afford to lose two games if they are to get promoted IMO.

Fireball07 · 08-03-2014 7:39pm

I'd just about tip Roscommon to win; the Quigleys are class but Fermanagh fell apart after going well ahead against Longford, who are no great shakes themselves.

I'm not sure that Fermanagh will be able to hold the Roscommon forwards though.

megadodge · 08-03-2014 10:15pm

Strongbow10 wrote: »

the pitch itself is woeful if you've ever set foot on it

that needs doing for a start

I couldn't agree more about the pitch.
Being a Gaels man myself, I've trained and played countless matches on it and even 20+ years ago I was of the opinion that the pitch needed to be relaid.

However, that is not what the report was about and what all the whinging has been directed at.

megadodge · 08-03-2014 10:21pm

manofwisdom wrote: »

From reading the Slattery report at the time they mentioned the cement steps,exits and toilets that had to be improved. .

I thought it was the cement seats? The walkways between them had to be widened by 18 inches or something ridiculous like that.

In any case they were all corrected before for the 2012 Connacht final (at a cost of c. 100k if I remember correctly) and in truth those 'problems' weren't problems at all, just another excuse for the existence of the Health & Safety 'industry'. The final was played in perfect safety, yet the following year the same report was used to prevent Roscommon being used, despite the fact that the report hadn't been updated or altered in any way.

It's all very suspicious.

Syferus · 09-03-2014 12:16am

megadodge wrote: »

I thought it was the cement seats? The walkways between them had to be widened by 18 inches or something ridiculous like that.

In any case they were all corrected before for the 2012 Connacht final (at a cost of c. 100k if I remember correctly) and in truth those 'problems' weren't problems at all, just another excuse for the existence of the Health & Safety 'industry'. The final was played in perfect safety, yet the following year the same report was used to prevent Roscommon being used, despite the fact that the report hadn't been updated or altered in any way.

It's all very suspicious.

The cement steps were the main thing fixed before we got the go-ahead for the 2012 Connacht final, it was the reason the Connacht Council were trying to pushed through playing it elsewhere. The 100k figure is incorrect in that it includes the costly rewiring of the stand that was required regardless of Connacht finals.

Why it was dis-qualified last year and not the two previous years is very suspicious but it's hard to argue the dilapidated state of the Hyde is ideal.

From what I heard about what was mentioned during the committee meeting the Hyde re-development will involve demolishing the stone benches under the stand, a new pitch moved nearer the stand, flood-lighting. I'd assume if that much is true a new stand the opposite side is a given. The toilets, gates and shop need work too.

If done correctly the Hyde could again be an excellent ground.

RoscommonTom · 09-03-2014 12:25am

I dont Cate who they stick I front of us Wed beatthem when we're In this form

Strongbow10 · 09-03-2014 4:07am

Syferus wrote: »

The cement steps were the main thing fixed before we got the go-ahead for the 2012 Connacht final, it was the reason the Connacht Council were trying to pushed through playing it elsewhere. The 100k figure is incorrect in that it includes the costly rewiring of the stand that was required regardless of Connacht finals.

Why it was dis-qualified last year and not the two previous years is very suspicions but it's hard to argue the dilapidated state of the Hyde is ideal.

From what I heard about what was mentioned during the committee meeting the Hyde re-development will involve demolishing the stone benches under the stand, a new pitch moved nearer the stand, flood-lighting. I'd assume if that much is true a new stand the opposite side is a given. The toilets, gates and shop need work too.

If done correctly the Hyde could again be an excellent ground.

That could be said about many dilapidated grounds around the country in fairness. The crux of the issue here is whether it will be done, obviously it has potential to be an excellent ground

padd b1975 · 09-03-2014 10:48am

megadodge wrote: »

I thought it was the cement seats? The walkways between them had to be widened by 18 inches or something ridiculous like that.

:eek::eek:

I wonder what the current dimensions are between all the concrete seating in McHale Park.:o

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 09-03-2014 4:43pm

An absolute lunatic of a game at Brewster Park, Ros were 3 points down, 4 up, 5 down, 8 up and won by 4. Ros 3-17 Fermanagh 4-10 in the end.

Had a stormer in the last 20 mins, outscoring Fermanagh by 2-8 to 1-2 but the defence sounded shaky whenever Fermanagh went direct. Conceding 4 goals is worrying whoever you play but I'd have taken a 1 point win in Enniskillen no matter what way it happened.

Cavan have beaten Sligo aswell so its them and Ros joint top of the Division. One game at a time but its looking good, that was a huge win.

manofwisdom · 09-03-2014 8:29pm

megadodge wrote: »

I thought it was the cement seats? The walkways between them had to be widened by 18 inches or something ridiculous like that.

In any case they were all corrected before for the 2012 Connacht final (at a cost of c. 100k if I remember correctly) and in truth those 'problems' weren't problems at all, just another excuse for the existence of the Health & Safety 'industry'. The final was played in perfect safety, yet the following year the same report was used to prevent Roscommon being used, despite the fact that the report hadn't been updated or altered in any way.

It's all very suspicious.

Yes i meant cement seats. It does sound very suspicious. Good away result for Roscommon today nothing like a comfortably win.

Santa Cruz · 09-03-2014 9:51pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

An absolute lunatic of a game at Brewster Park, Ros were 3 points down, 4 up, 5 down, 8 up and won by 4. Ros 3-17 Fermanagh 4-10 in the end.

Had a stormer in the last 20 mins, outscoring Fermanagh by 2-8 to 1-2 but the defence sounded shaky whenever Fermanagh went direct. Conceding 4 goals is worrying whoever you play but I'd have taken a 1 point win in Enniskillen no matter what way it happened.

Cavan have beaten Sligo aswell so its them and Ros joint top of the Division. One game at a time but its looking good, that was a huge win.

Shaping up to be a Ross Cavan showdown. I can see Longford taking care of Cavan next week and Ross should handle Offaly so a bit of blue space could open up. Unusual scoring patterns!! Around all the leagues there seems to be higher scoring. I wonder is the black card having effect

Fireball07 · 09-03-2014 11:42pm

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Shaping up to be a Ross Cavan showdown. I can see Longford taking care of Cavan next week and Ross should handle Offaly so a bit of blue space could open up. Unusual scoring patterns!! Around all the leagues there seems to be higher scoring. I wonder is the black card having effect

Can't see Longford beating Cavan tbh... at this stage, I'd be absolutely shocked if ye didn't meet in the final. The game in the league stage will be an interesting warm-up.

Cavan have a very strong defence, ye have an excellent attack... Cavan's attack has misfired a bit, generally relying on one or two players, but never all at the same time... while ye're defence was opened up a few times against us; and then conceded 4 goals against Fermanagh. Should be a very interesting game.

I presume it won't be on tv, which is a pity, because I'm sure it'll be an excellent game.

megadodge · 09-03-2014 11:58pm

Very entertaining game today and credit must go to Roscommon for their ability to keep bouncing back.

Some positives - Donie Shine had an excellent showing with some of his points top-notch; Murtagh is proving every bit as hard to mark at senior as he was at minor, an outstanding prospect; Higgins fielded well at midfield; Enda Smith proved again IMO that he is a better long-term prospect than his brother; when the going got tough Cathal Cregg really came to the fore, his goal was outstanding.

One enormous negative and the ongoing problem with Roscommon football for at least 20 years with very occasional exceptions (John Hanly's years and the first 15 minutes v Mayo last year) -

THE BREAKING BALL AT MIDFIELD !!!!

For the first three-quarters of the match I reckon Roscommon won just one breaking ball at midfield. It was incredibly frustrating to watch, knowing it has been such a huge problem for years. Two of Fermanagh's goals came directly from uncontested breaking ball. It just has to be addressed. Once we started winning ball there in the last quarter we tacked on scores almost effortlessly.

Anyway, it was a very good result for Roscommon and sets us up lovely for promotion and of course, winning is a habit.

Syferus · 10-03-2014 1:57am

megadodge wrote: »

Very entertaining game today and credit must go to Roscommon for their ability to keep bouncing back.

Some positives - Donie Shine had an excellent showing with some of his points top-notch; Murtagh is proving every bit as hard to mark at senior as he was at minor, an outstanding prospect; Higgins fielded well at midfield; Enda Smith proved again IMO that he is a better long-term prospect than his brother; when the going got tough Cathal Cregg really came to the fore, his goal was outstanding.

One enormous negative and the ongoing problem with Roscommon football for at least 20 years with very occasional exceptions (John Hanly's years and the first 15 minutes v Mayo last year) -

THE BREAKING BALL AT MIDFIELD !!!!

For the first three-quarters of the match I reckon Roscommon won just one breaking ball at midfield. It was incredibly frustrating to watch, knowing it has been such a huge problem for years. Two of Fermanagh's goals came directly from uncontested breaking ball. It just has to be addressed. Once we started winning ball there in the last quarter we tacked on scores almost effortlessly.

Anyway, it was a very good result for Roscommon and sets us up lovely for promotion and of course, winning is a habit.

Donie's just as talented as Diarmuid. Two exceptional young FFs. Donie dominated the AI-winning Galway U21s last year and was our top scorer in the league, injury shouldn't allow us to forget how good he is for an underage lad.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 10-03-2014 12:06pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

Can't see Longford beating Cavan tbh... at this stage, I'd be absolutely shocked if ye didn't meet in the final. The game in the league stage will be an interesting warm-up.

Cavan have a very strong defence, ye have an excellent attack... Cavan's attack has misfired a bit, generally relying on one or two players, but never all at the same time... while ye're defence was opened up a few times against us; and then conceded 4 goals against Fermanagh. Should be a very interesting game.

I presume it won't be on tv, which is a pity, because I'm sure it'll be an excellent game.

Is this the league final you're talking about? Because I'm fairly sure they're televised on TG4.

Fireball07 · 10-03-2014 12:31pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Is this the league final you're talking about? Because I'm fairly sure they're televised on TG4.

No, I'm talking about the match in a couple of weeks. I know the final will be on there, but I'm not looking that far ahead, as I still have the forlorn hope that Limerick will somehow get there

yabadabado · 10-03-2014 2:46pm

megadodge wrote: »

In all fairness, I've been hearing this type of language along with words like 'embarrassment' and 'eyesore' in the last few years and I'm quite puzzled. I've been to numerous games there in the same time and I'd like to hear what's so bad about it?

Genuine question, not sniping at anyone.

only just seeing this message now ,looks like its been answered by a few posters.
The ground needs an overhaul,the cement seating should have been removed when they built the new stand and the terracing needs to be fixed up as well and could do with more of a roof .
It will be interesting to see what the plans are for the ground.

Any of ye ever hear that the pitch was supposed to be going the other direction in the original plans but wasn't done.

Lemlin · 10-03-2014 4:51pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

No, I'm talking about the match in a couple of weeks. I know the final will be on there, but I'm not looking that far ahead, as I still have the forlorn hope that Limerick will somehow get there

If Cavan and Roscommon win their next game, they both could be guaranteed promotion depending on how other results go.

They both have eight points so another win will put both on 10 with two games left and only Longford, Limerick and Sligo have a chance of being within 4 points of them. Cavan would have beaten Sligo and Longford in the head to head so neither of those could finish above them.

I'd expect that if that is the case you could see experimental sides from both in that game in Breffni. Both have young panel members and also won't want to show their hand until the Division 3 final itself.

I certainly know members of the Cavan panel were told they'd be given a chance if things were going well. That said, our next game is very much a tough away game against Longford.

megadodge · 10-03-2014 9:26pm

Syferus wrote: »

Donie's just as talented as Diarmuid. Two exceptional young FFs. Donie dominated the AI-winning Galway U21s last year and was our top scorer in the league, injury shouldn't allow us to forget how good he is for an underage lad.

His talent has never been in question.
It's his temperment that's the problem.
It's funny you used that particular match to highlight his talent, because the same match showed his temperment to be highly suspect. It's no exaggeration to say his totally needless sending off could have cost Roscommon an All-Ireland.
There are other examples but I don't want to be too harsh on him as he's still very young and hopefully will learn from his 'mistakes'.

megadodge · 10-03-2014 9:30pm

yabadabado wrote: »

only just seeing this message now ,looks like its been answered by a few posters.
The ground needs an overhaul,the cement seating should have been removed when they built the new stand and the terracing needs to be fixed up as well and could do with more of a roof .
It will be interesting to see what the plans are for the ground.

Any of ye ever hear that the pitch was supposed to be going the other direction in the original plans but wasn't done.

What's wrong with the terracing?

As for the pitch direction, the 40k all-seater, the 'Berlin' type wall to be built between the pitch and the training pitch, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
The rumour mill is in full swing at the moment. It's better to completely ignore everything you hear and just wait and see.

yabadabado · 10-03-2014 11:09pm

megadodge wrote: »

What's wrong with the terracing?

As for the pitch direction, the 40k all-seater, the 'Berlin' type wall to be built between the pitch and the training pitch, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
The rumour mill is in full swing at the moment. It's better to completely ignore everything you hear and just wait and see.

A better roof on the terracing would be a brilliant addition but I doubt that will happen as it would be a huge cost.very open to the elements the way it is now.

When I asked about the pitch direction,its not a rumor about the upgrading now but it was supposed to be in the original plans for the Hyde when it was planned in the 60's.Just wondering did anyone else here this and I wonder why it wasn't done.

Syferus · 11-03-2014 1:55am

yabadabado wrote: »

A better roof on the terracing would be a brilliant addition but I doubt that will happen as it would be a huge cost.very open to the elements the way it is now.

When I asked about the pitch direction,its not a rumor about the upgrading now but it was supposed to be in the original plans for the Hyde when it was planned in the 60's.Just wondering did anyone else here this and I wonder why it wasn't done.

A better roof? If they're getting rid of the stone seating and moving the pitch in there will need to be a new stand the other side because what's there will be too far away from the new pitch. Forget about a new roof costing a lot, the Hyde is shutting down for 18 months so genuinely major work is the least of the expectations.

yabadabado · 11-03-2014 11:34am

Where are the County Board going to get the funding from? Is it all from croke park?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 11-03-2014 12:30pm

So what are these rumours? Can we expect major redevelopment leaving us with a facility to match the likes of Portlaoise or Tullamore or am I dreaming? There's nothing wrong with the terracing on the training pitch side and the stand opposite was redeveloped not long ago. This would lead me to believe that they'll both be left as is. Something should be done about that gammy cement seating below that though. Hope they don't rub their arses over it.

Syferus · 11-03-2014 7:41pm

U21 championship throws in tomorrow in Castlebar. 7:30pm.

Nothing quite like a knock-out championship game to stir the blood. There aren't many sweeter places to take a victory from for Roscommon teams.

Should be a tight match and whoever wins should be able to win Connacht, Galway or no Galway.

RoscommonTom · 11-03-2014 8:24pm

Syferus wrote: »

U21 championship throws in tomorrow in Castlebar. 7:30pm.

Nothing quite like a knock-out championship game to stir the blood. There aren't many sweeter places to take a victory from for Roscommon teams.
U
Should be a tight match and whoever wins should be able to win Connacht, Galway or no Galway.[/quote

I heard they have a heap of their last year miner team so they should be too light for us I think, should be a mighty game tough

Pity its not on the telly, should be good, theyll probably have a heap of last years miners but would expecting a win any way,

RoscommonTom · 11-03-2014 8:24pm

Syferus wrote: »

U21 championship throws in tomorrow in Castlebar. 7:30pm.

Nothing quite like a knock-out championship game to stir the blood. There aren't many sweeter places to take a victory from for Roscommon teams.
U
Should be a tight match and whoever wins should be able to win Connacht, Galway or no Galway.[/quote

I heard they have a heap of their last year miner team so they should be too light for us I think, should be a mighty game tough

Pity its not on the telly, should be good, theyll probably have a heap of last years miners but would expecting a win any way,

Always_Running · 11-03-2014 8:32pm

Syferus wrote: »

U21 championship throws in tomorrow in Castlebar. 7:30pm.

Nothing quite like a knock-out championship game to stir the blood. There aren't many sweeter places to take a victory from for Roscommon teams.

Should be a tight match and whoever wins should be able to win Connacht, Galway or no Galway.

Galway still the team to beat. Great draw for them and they will hoping Ross win tomoro night as that will give them a home Connacht final.

Syferus · 11-03-2014 9:19pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Galway still the team to beat. Great draw for them and they will hoping Ross win tomoro night as that will give them a home Connacht final.

They'd want to look at Roscommon's record in Tuam before they starting wishing for us.

You're some man for one man.

blowitupref · 12-03-2014 1:17am

Syferus wrote: »

They'd want to look at Roscommon's record in Tuam before they starting wishing for us.

I think Galway play home provincial finals in Pearse stadium now.

yabadabado · 12-03-2014 11:40am

The County Board definitely have taken the finger out. The old dance hall on the racecourse rd.is fully kitted out as a gym and a bus is waiting to be collected.

Edward9 · 12-03-2014 3:07pm

UP Galway

megadodge · 13-03-2014 12:03am

OOOOOOHHHHHHHH I enjoyed that!!

Thank you U21s.

All those years coming out of Castlebar having taking a hiding. This time I strolled out at my leisure. Great win.

Some excellent performances, but yet again Diarmuid Murtagh stole the show. Pure class. Get the ball to this lad (and he's always showing for it) and he'll score.

Roscommon were by far the better team in all sectors and the only reason it was close early on was because of silly mistakes (picks of the ground, fumbled handpasses, etc.) which in fairness to Mayo, they turned into scores. But Ros always looked much the stronger outfit.

Donie Smith (who was supposed to be injured) played the full game with mixed fortunes. Lost an awful lot of possesion early on (looked rusty), but took his goal brilliantly (nice peno also). I think the game will stand to him. Enda was outstanding all through. Seriously strong and controlled on the ball. Ultan Harney came on near the end, even though the word was that he had a longterm injury. Got a lovely point too. Fintan Kelly very solid at centre back.

Tom Corcoran played very well at midfield, although he did hold the ball up a few times which resulted in him losing possesion, but he seems to have added some physicality to his game. On his freetaking though, I'm afraid something serious needs to be done. As my buddy said beforehand, and was proven today, his runup is far too straight and as a result his shots tail off to the left, including an unforgivable missed 13m free. It cost us last year and it could be crucial yet if not addressed.

Overall though, I'm a happy man. Up the Rossies!!!

rossie1977 · 13-03-2014 12:12am

megadodge wrote: »

Tom Corcoran played very well at midfield, although he did hold the ball up a few times which resulted in him losing possesion, but he seems to have added some physicality to his game. On his freetaking though, I'm afraid something serious needs to be done. As my buddy said beforehand, and was proven today, his runup is far too straight and as a result his shots tail off to the left, including an unforgivable missed 13m free. It cost us last year and it could be crucial yet if not addressed.

he was a superb free taker at minor level so what happened? this is a guy who at 17 scored two 45 metre placed balls in croke park to draw roscommon level and then win them the game against armagh.

the game tonight reminded me of when we as minor champions took on mayo under 21s in the spring of 2007 and we threw in too many of that minor team against an experienced mayo outfit and got ate.

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