Sexual assault...but sure he's a nice lad..Mod Warning Post 275

herya · 17-12-2009 2:56pm

_michelle_ wrote: »

i thinking of starting a petition to give this lady a courage/bravery award as it seems time we really stood up & were counted in public!! lets just show this danny foley what we think of him & his supporters.

It's a good idea but perhaps she doesn't wish to be named. Maybe an online petition for friends to donate to the Rape Crisis Centre thanks to the Listowel Girl would be more realistic?

Howjoe1 · 17-12-2009 2:57pm

Weren't the priest regarded as upstanding citizens when the Altar boys were being abused.

Now we have the Parish Priest & the gombeen culchies ignoring the facts and finding of the court & jury and patting and hugging the culprit.

The victim is turned into the villain.

makes me ashamed of this country again.

pookie82 · 17-12-2009 2:58pm

suimhneas wrote: »

i think you will find -michelle- isnt the only member on boards making comments like this their distain for "rural" peole is becoming very obvious. They must think everyone outside the pale are a class below themselves. We must turn a blind eye dont you know they are "high as kites".

I come from a very rural area and am just as qualified as anyone to judge. The mentality that prevails in certain rural villages in Ireland is backward and unfortunately extremely narrow minded when it comes to issues like this and I can well imagine the same sh*t going on where I come from.

So before you start assuming that anyone who holds distain for this kind of commonly-found rural community attitude must surely be city dwellers, think again.

You don't have to come from an urban area to see this small minded bigotry for what it is. Let's call a spade a spade shall we.

Frogdog · 17-12-2009 3:05pm

Just as an FYI to everyone out there - not everyone in Listowel, nor Kerry, turned up at the courthouse to shake the man's hand. There are people from Listowel who are on the girl's side also.

So please lay off with the slagging of Listowel, North Kerry, Kerry etc. I don't know how many times I've seen the words "backward", "culchies", "gombeens", "boggers" etc. :mad:

This could happen everywhere and anywhere in Ireland. Even in cities.

How would you like to be on an international forum and someone from, say, England, says something like "Oh it's typical of those Irish", even if you're from Dublin, for example??? :mad::mad::mad:

Ya, that made you think, didn't it?!

RodgerTheDoger · 17-12-2009 3:07pm

_michelle_ wrote: »

i have no "distain" as you put it for rural people, however i do think rural places are more backward in their thinking in regards to these aspects.
this is MY opinion so you are fully entitled to yours.

I think this happens more in small towns also, but I think you logic to why it happens is flawed.

Community can be a good thing, but in cases like these, the community likes to take care of their own or people that are maybe more activie or known in the comminuty, I do not think it is about being educated it is about being objective.

_michelle_ · 17-12-2009 3:11pm

herya wrote: »

It's a good idea but perhaps she doesn't wish to be named. Maybe an online petition for friends to donate to the Rape Crisis Centre thanks to the Listowel Girl would be more realistic?

yes that sounds like a great idea, im going to email joe duffy about it now & see if i get a reply.

thanks

FC2009 · 17-12-2009 3:12pm

_michelle_ wrote: »

im not saying it wouldnt happen in cities but my point was i would expect it to be more prevlant in country areas.

Because people in the country are uneducated and simple????

herya · 17-12-2009 3:14pm

panda100 wrote: »

However, often in rape cases evidence can be easily dismissed or is lacking to begin with. In these cases character witnesses are very important and usually get the perpetrators off scot free. The law as it stands at the moment is allowing people to judge her morals without her being able to defend herself, as she is only a witness. This means that she can be discredited as a witness, the accused and his legal team is allowed to say anything about the witness they like and she is denied the right to reply.

True but still I don't see the need for the assailant's character witnesses in the first place. What do they know if they haven't been there in person?

pookie82 · 17-12-2009 3:15pm

Frogdog wrote: »

How would you like to be on an international forum and someone from, say, England, says something like "Oh it's typical of those Irish", even if you're from Dublin, for example??? :mad::mad::mad:

Ya, that made you think, didn't it?!

Most of the people giving out about it being an event typical of the Irish are Irish themselves. Read the AH thread on this. You don't have to be outside of a paricular society or part of a society to condemn them.

herya · 17-12-2009 3:17pm

_michelle_ wrote: »

yes that sounds like a great idea, im going to email joe duffy about it now & see if i get a reply.

thanks

I've just send an e-mail to the Rape Crisis Centre in Kerry, I hope it will be passed on. Here it goes - maybe it'll be useful for someone:

Dear X,

I'm sorry, I don't know your name but I just wanted to send you my support with regard to how you were treated by your assailant's supporters in the court this week. It required so much courage from you to go ahead with your case, to face your assailant and to present your case well and clear so that justice was served. I have no such experience myself but I know how hard it is to bring those people to justice and how many victims suffer in silence. I just wanted to applaud you for first putting this criminal away - possibly saving other women and girls - and also for making it easier for other victims to go ahead with their cases, to be heard and not judged.

I hope you can draw some form of satisfaction from this court case and how you handled it - and please hold your head high. You've done the right thing.

I hope you'll have a peaceful Christmas and will be surrounded by people you can rely on.

Kind regards,
[herya]

PS. I have just donated a modest sum to the Rape Crisis Centre - I hope it will pay for some examination or legal advice for victims in need. I will also keep them in mind in the future. Thank you for indirectly bringing them to my attention.

bookworm007 · 17-12-2009 3:20pm

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/convicted-sexual-assaulter-claims-incident-was-consensual-1968412.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/bouncer-sexually-assaulted-barely-conscious-woman-1965641.html

"Medical reports showed her back was considerably bruised, there were injuries to her thigh, wrist and arm which were compatible with being dragged but there was no clinical evidence of sexual assault."

He was not convicted of rape but sexual assault. There was no clinical evidence of sexual assault. Only two people know exactly what went on that night, not the judge or the jury, or anybody posting here.
If his friends wished to support him that was their right. It has nothing to do with being from the city or country.
The judgments of the courts are not always right.
Danny Foley was sentenced to 7 years, with two suspended, for sexual assault. Fr Naughton has been sentenced to three years in prison, 1 year suspended, for sexually abusing an altar boy.

Frogdog · 17-12-2009 3:20pm

pookie82 wrote: »

Most of the people giving out about it being an event typical of the Irish are Irish themselves. Read the AH thread on this. You don't have to be outside of a paricular society or part of a society to condemn them.

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

pookie82 · 17-12-2009 3:26pm

Frogdog wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

To be fair I don't think that anyone is saying sexual assault is more prevalent in rural areas. Just that the community mindset necessary to get behind someone like this, and go to that courthouse in droves, and openly sympathise with someone who is now a convicted sex offender in front of his victim, could only really occur in rural areas, where everyone knows everyone else and people who lived all their lives next to Danny would feel they had a right to stand up for him and knew him inside out - well enough to be convinced he couldn't have done it.

herya · 17-12-2009 3:27pm

bookworm007 wrote: »

Danny Foley was sentenced to 7 years, with two suspended, for sexual assault. Fr Naughton has been sentenced to three years in prison, 1 year suspended, for sexually abusing an altar boy.

True, Fr Naughton's sentence is a disgrace.

FC2009 · 17-12-2009 3:29pm

Frogdog wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

+1

_michelle_ · 17-12-2009 3:33pm

Frogdog wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

now hang on a minute i never said that! & people who dont read all that i said may well come to a conclusion that this is what i have said so i would appericate if you would take that back!

also how do you know im not from a country area (not saying i am or not) but your presuming im not so please dont be so presumptive.

Howjoe1 · 17-12-2009 3:33pm

Frogdog wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

Frogdog,

The only person purporting to know the two parties..is given the line that he is innocent and she is a liar!

If more were online saying that what happened in court was wrong..we might feel are small towns have moved on

BobbyJo · 17-12-2009 3:35pm

I have read all the postings on this topic and totally agree that it is an appaling situation.
My heart goes out to the victim - I don't know how she must have felt sitting feet from the guy who sexually assualted her while he received sympathy from approx 50 men.

But my point is this: If the man was convicted of sexual assualt, and was in the court awaiting sentance he was obviously a ward of the court and in the company of prison officers.
How were 50 men allowed to approch the prisoner, shake hands with him, hug him and contact him????

I do not have any experience of how the courts work and how prisoners are treated - but surely if the security around this man, or any other convicted prisoner, was so lax he could have absconded and legged it whenever he wanted. FFS was he allowed go make coffee for himself??

I'm a lil confused..................:rolleyes:

Frogdog · 17-12-2009 3:36pm

pookie82 wrote: »

To be fair I don't think that anyone is saying sexual assault is more prevalent in rural areas. Just that the community mindset necessary to get behind someone like this, and go to that courthouse in droves, and openly sympathise with someone who is now a convicted sex offender in front of his victim, could only really occur in rural areas, where everyone knows everyone else and people who lived all their lives next to Danny would feel they had a right to stand up for him and knew him inside out - well enough to be convinced he couldn't have done it.

Well if she worded it as nicely as you do I'd have no problem!

But there is a community spirit in cities also. I live in Dublin and I've experienced it. And also, take for example if the man was part of a rugby club in South Dublin. I've seen those guys protect their own before. And that's just one example. I'm sure it's prevalent in a lot of clubs/societies/schools/colleges/religous beliefs etc in cities.

If anything, _michelle_ was showing her ignorance. In my opinion, of course.

humanji · 17-12-2009 3:37pm

That confused me too. It seems like a weird scene in a film or something. I'd of thought people would have to keep out of the main court area.

Howjoe1 · 17-12-2009 3:38pm

Frogdog,

I hope you are listening to the girl's aunt on the Radio telling how she is being snubbed by the community.

Explain that one please?

pookie82 · 17-12-2009 3:40pm

Frogdog wrote: »

Well if she worded it as nicely as you do I'd have no problem!

But there is a community spirit in cities also. I live in Dublin and I've experienced it. And also, take for example if the man was part of a rugby club in South Dublin. I've seen those guys protect their own before. And that's just one example. I'm sure it's prevalent in a lot of clubs/societies/schools/colleges/religous beliefs etc in cities.

Yes I agree, especially about the rugby cliques etc, I suppose (without trying to be inflammatory or derail the thread in any way) the Brian Murphy case would be a good example of that.

Of course I don't assume that everyone in Kerry/Listowel agrees with what happened. I also accept that there's clearly a lot more background to this than I'll ever hear about. it's a very very bizarre case.

herya · 17-12-2009 3:40pm

Frogdog wrote: »

But there is a community spirit in cities also. I live in Dublin and I've experienced it. And also, take for example if the man was part of a rugby club in South Dublin. I've seen those guys protect their own before. And that's just one example. I'm sure it's prevalent in a lot of clubs/societies/schools/colleges/religous beliefs etc in cities.

You're absolutely right, but 50 men in a Listowel size town is not exactly the same as 50 men in Dublin proportion-wise, that's where part of the impression comes from I'm afraid.

RodgerTheDoger · 17-12-2009 3:40pm

Frogdog wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying, and that's not what is happening.

What is happening is a City v Country debate, where posters such as _michelle_ is of the opinion that this is more prevalent in a rural location, and that we're all country bumpkins, uneducated and that sexual assault is rife and commonplace. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's quite plain to see that's what she's saying.

Have a read of her posts and you'll see for yourself. Further evidence will be provided by a couple of posts previous to your post above.

You are missing the argument, its not that it happens more in cities or the country, it is how the community has reacted to it!

I am a "Bogger" as you put it, I think this kind of "bad community gathering" will happen more so in rural areas simply because there tends to be a much larger sense of comminuty is small areas and less of a community in the bigger cities!

Kimia · 17-12-2009 3:41pm

bookworm007 wrote: »

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/convicted-sexual-assaulter-claims-incident-was-consensual-1968412.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/bouncer-sexually-assaulted-barely-conscious-woman-1965641.html

"Medical reports showed her back was considerably bruised, there were injuries to her thigh, wrist and arm which were compatible with being dragged but there was no clinical evidence of sexual assault."

He was not convicted of rape but sexual assault. There was no clinical evidence of sexual assault. Only two people know exactly what went on that night, not the judge or the jury, or anybody posting here.
If his friends wished to support him that was their right. It has nothing to do with being from the city or country.
The judgments of the courts are not always right.
Danny Foley was sentenced to 7 years, with two suspended, for sexual assault. Fr Naughton has been sentenced to three years in prison, 1 year suspended, for sexually abusing an altar boy.

Hmmm why is no one commenting on this?

So you clearly think Danny Foley (poor thing :rolleyes:) should have gotten a lighter sentence?

Penn · 17-12-2009 3:45pm

herya wrote: »

You're absolutely right, but 50 men in a Listowel size town is not exactly the same as 50 men in Dublin proportion-wise, that's where part of the impression comes from I'm afraid.

Look, I'm from the country, and if there's one thing I know, its that different places are different. Why are both sides generalising the other? What does it matter? People obviously liked the guy, and so they went to support him. Why? I don't know. But I doubt it would have been any different whether it was in the country, the city, or an oil rig

Also, just in case it hasn't been mentioned here, the Facebook page has been taken down. I don't know if they closed it down themselves or Facebook made them (the page had been reported by a few of the users in the AH thread)

Vegeta · 17-12-2009 3:48pm

http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/sympathies-yet-again/comment-page-1/

herya · 17-12-2009 3:48pm

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Look, I'm from the country, and if there's one thing I know, its that different places are different. Why are both sides generalising the other? What does it matter? People obviously liked the guy, and so they went to support him. Why? I don't know. But I doubt it would have been any different whether it was in the country, the city, or an oil rig

Yes of course, sorry my wording was wrong. I didn't mean the general impression of rural communities, I meant my impression in this particular case. 50 men in a town the size of Listowel is a huge crowd, that's what jumped at me. I'm sure such an act of "support" would be possible anywhere else as you state.

Barname · 17-12-2009 3:48pm

AntiRip wrote: »

I know Danny very well and I know the victim also. If you lived in the area you'd know the full story that isn't been in the media. I am very shocked and upset with this story. It's very sad when you know the people involved.

emotions have no place in justice

danny was caught on cctv

he is now a convicted sex offender

Knightfall · 17-12-2009 3:50pm

I only heard about this terrible incident this morning, and I'm still stunned by the manner in which it all happened.

I don't care, to be quite honest, under what circumstances the case occurred, or who thinks who is wrong or who is right. At the end of the day, all that matters is that this individual (he doesn't deserve the title of "man") was arrested under suspicion of sexual assault/rape, was tried by a jury of his peers and convicted. Therefore, he is not deserving of any sympathy from anyone, I mean anyone! :mad:

This brave lady is suffering the slings and arrows of an obviously orchestrated campaign either by the convicted individual or someone connected to him. I live in a rural area, though not one as apparently backward as this area. (And, in light of these events, I will make no apology for saying that). And, I can say that in small areas like that an orchestrated campaign like that can ruin a person's life, and is often seen to be done by people who, generally in their own opinion, have a high standing in that society.

As regards the priest getting involved, and for that matter, coming on radio today to defend himself..........he's not a man of God, he's just another leech on that society

Barname · 17-12-2009 3:50pm

proposal

you know the was Kerry people love to rename towns. eg the Dingle fiasco

well I propose that Listowel be renamed as

Mysogynia

_michelle_ · 17-12-2009 3:51pm

Frogdog wrote: »

Well if she worded it as nicely as you do I'd have no problem!

But there is a community spirit in cities also. I live in Dublin and I've experienced it. And also, take for example if the man was part of a rugby club in South Dublin. I've seen those guys protect their own before. And that's just one example. I'm sure it's prevalent in a lot of clubs/societies/schools/colleges/religous beliefs etc in cities.

If anything, _michelle_ was showing her ignorance. In my opinion, of course.

how exactly am i showing my ignorance????
i gave an opinion which im entitled to & as i said in previous posts you to yours, however you were saying i said things i didnt which isnt fair.

metrovelvet · 17-12-2009 3:54pm

He is obviously a popular fellow in this small rural town. Im guessing it would be a bit like JFK Junior in NYC being accused of sexual assault, especially against some unknown etc. So beloved is he, that any crime would be forgiven.

Believing is seeing.

Warfi · 17-12-2009 3:56pm

shaneybaby wrote: »

He said: “My Christian responsibility was to this person that I knew and to the person who is the object of, what I call, this extremely harsh sentence.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1217/breaking27.htm

"'Representative of Catholic Church ignores facts' shocker!"

I've always seen the Adam and Eve, creationism, earth is 12,000 years old stories as harmless. Unfortunately the scientific blindness in this case has done irreparable damage to a young woman in Listowel. I can't believe a priest would ignore the facts just because he knew the guilty person in question :eek:

As another poster put it, there is no other possible reason for a bouncer to carry a half naked woman to a skip. No reason for anyone to do it, unless something unlawful had taken place

Howjoe1 · 17-12-2009 3:57pm

interesting to hear the Listowel people on the radio now saying that this should not be held against them and that people should not boycott the listowel races.

so their worried about the town but not a mention of the girl:rolleyes:

Fink Goddie · 17-12-2009 3:57pm

Well here's hoping there's such a thing as karma and he'll get a taste of his own medicine in prison!

DublinWriter · 17-12-2009 4:07pm

AntiRip wrote: »

I know Danny very well and I know the victim also. If you lived in the area you'd know the full story that isn't been in the media. I am very shocked and upset with this story. It's very sad when you know the people involved.

Thankfully in this country we have trial by court of law and not trial by media or the local priest.

If there were any other prejudicial facts then they would have been made known to the court.

dloob · 17-12-2009 4:08pm

Vegeta wrote: »

http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/sympathies-yet-again/comment-page-1/

Ahh so this is the second time this sort of thing has happened in the area.
Lovely.

MissFlitworth · 17-12-2009 4:09pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Well here's hoping there's such a thing as karma and he'll get a taste of his own medicine in prison!

I think he's a sh1t no doubt about it and deserves to go to jail, but I'm so uncomfortable with this thing of wishing rape on men in prison as some kind of fair punishment. Rape & sexual assault aren't funny.

bookworm007 · 17-12-2009 4:11pm

Kimia wrote: »

Hmmm why is no one commenting on this?

So you clearly think Danny Foley (poor thing :rolleyes:) should have gotten a lighter sentence?

I am only stating the facts.
Sorry if they don't suit you-I think chemical castration for a conviction of sexual assault (with no clinical evidence of sexual assault) is a bit excessive myself.

(Think you probably need to work on your mind reading skills)

oceanclub · 17-12-2009 4:11pm

AntiRip wrote: »

I know Danny very well and I know the victim also. If you lived in the area you'd know the full story that isn't been in the media. I am very shocked and upset with this story. It's very sad when you know the people involved.

I'm sure you're brave enough to tell us and not cowardly enough to hide behind innuendo against a sex victim.

P.

Latchy · 17-12-2009 4:13pm

Knightfall wrote: »

As regards the priest getting involved, and for that matter, coming on radio today to defend himself..........he's not a man of God, he's just another leech on that society

If ever a term of reference was abused more than any other it's that one .

Kimia · 17-12-2009 4:14pm

bookworm007 wrote: »

I am only stating the facts.
Sorry if they don't suit you-I think chemical castration for a conviction of sexual assault (with no clinical evidence of sexual assault) is a bit excessive myself.

(Think you probably need to work on your mind reading skills)

The reason I asked you what you meant was because I can't read minds but thanks for the sarcasm, it added a lot to the thread.

What are you on about and why bother stating the facts - sure they are they for all of us to read, no need for you to point them out in a clearly biased manner.

herya · 17-12-2009 4:17pm

dloob wrote: »

Ahh so this is the second time this sort of thing has happened in the area.
Lovely.

I half expected to read that the same priest vouched for the first offender's character too...

The Listowel priest and the Duagh rapist have the same surname though, I do hope it's just a coincidence.

Nevyn · 17-12-2009 4:17pm

http://www.kerryseye.com/listowel_bouncer_jailed_for.html

A judge this week described as a “web of lies” the evidence given by a Listowel man charged with sexual assault on a woman in the town last year, before sentencing him to seven years in prison for the offence. Two years of the seven-year sentence were suspended.

There were extraordinary scenes in Tralee courthouse at the sentencing of Danny Foley, Meen, Listowel, on Wednesday, after he had been found guilty by a jury of sexual assault on a female on June 15th last year.

Mr Foley hung his head and wiped a tear from his eye as he heard his sentence and was told he is also to be placed on the sexual assault register for life.

Mr Foley’s mother, who was in the public gallery, screamed hysterically when the sentence was announced, and relatives rushed around her in support.

Judge Donagh McDonagh ordered that anyone who commented on the sentence should leave the court, and the woman was assisted out of the courtroom.

Before the judge passed the sentence on Wednesday morning, approximately fifty supporters filed up, one-by-one to the dock, where Mr Foley sat between two prison wardens.

They shook his hand, hugged him, and many were crying. They all sat in the gallery as As he delivered his sentence, Judge Donagh McDonagh referred to what he described as Mr Foley’s “revolting assertions” and “odious language” used regarding his victim.

The judge said that his claims that he engaged in a mutual sexual act with the victim were designed to “add insult to injury”, and to demean and degrade the woman.

He said that Mr Foley’s behaviour “certainly gave lie” to statements from two character witnesses.

Listowel businessman Dermot O’Mahony had said Mr Foley was “inoffensive, courteous and calm” in his dealings with others. Fr Sean Sheehy, the Parish Priest of Castlegregory, said Mr Foley had the highest regard for women and didn’t have an abusive bone in his body.

Judge McDonagh described Mr Foley’s evidence as “self-serving” and referred to his “spinning his web of lies”. “It is quite clear the jury didn’t accept his evidence,” said Judge McDonagh.

“Not alone the lies he told were revolting but the language used by him in describing his victim and referring to her as ‘your wan’ when he knew well who she was, was equally so.

“He embarked on a further series of lies to gardai that is simply not credible as he later admitted he told lies. There is something particularly odious about his allegations against the victim and it seem the accused wished to add insult to injury he humiliated her and demeaned her in the eyes of the jury and public.’

Foley gave graphic description to the jury about what he claimed were consensual sexual acts.

Judge McDonagh said it was evident from the demeanour of the victim and her inability to recall all events clearly that what happened was not consensual.

“No reasonable man could believe a girl or woman in a condition like this could reasonably consent to a sexual encounter of any kind,” he said.

“From the medical evidence it was clear that she suffered extensive bruising, and numerous scratches consistent with being dragged.”

Judge McDonagh said that the woman, who gave a victim impact report and spoke of her trauma since the assault, showed remarkable dignity in the circumstances.

Statement

The victim’s two-page statement said that for a long time after the incident she didn’t trust men and couldn’t bear to be in the same room as them.

She said she felt insecure, lost her confidence and was very uncomfortable. She was on anti depressants and couldn’t sleep at night due to the nightmares.

She was unable to have a bath on her own and has to call her sister for help. She said she still feels restricted in her life and fells people are talking about her.

Judge McDonagh concluded that the man showed little remorse and had not apologised “There is no doubt he intended to commit this assault,” he said.

The jury during the three day trial had heard that both met in a local nightclub. The woman had a number of drinks and when he bought her a Black Russian shot, she felt sick and wanted to go home.

Mr Foley accompanied her and after initially walking a distance he carried her towards the rear of a car park, where gardai later found him leaning over her.

She was half-naked and semi-conscious, and was removed to hospital in a very distressed state.

Foley initially said he had come across her as he relieved himself, but later told gardai he had lied, and claimed they had been together consensually. There was no clinical evidence of sexual assault.

bookworm007 · 17-12-2009 4:25pm

What are you on about and why bother stating the facts - sure they are they for all of us to read, no need for you to point them out in a clearly biased manner.[/quote]

I am stating the facts so people are aware that it wasn't rape. There was no rape conviction and there was no clinical evidence of sexual assault. Would you care to elaborate on my "clearly biased manner"?

Vegeta · 17-12-2009 4:27pm

dloob wrote: »

Ahh so this is the second time this sort of thing has happened in the area.
Lovely.

Yeah it baffles me how that is considered acceptable behaviour. Actually it doesn't I see something similar happen in my own life.

Makes me angry

oceanclub · 17-12-2009 4:30pm

bookworm007 wrote: »

I am stating the facts so people are aware that it wasn't rape. There was no rape conviction and there was no clinical evidence of sexual assault. Would you care to elaborate on my "clearly biased manner"?

So we're been led to believe that in a county which has an abysmally low conviction for sexual assault, the lowest in the country(*) that somehow one of the few that happens is a miscarriage of justice?

(*) To put that in perspective, in 2006, out of 336 people counselled for rape, 95 went to the Gardai, and there were precisely four convictions.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/08/31/story12117.asp

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herya · 17-12-2009 4:32pm

bookworm007 wrote: »

I am stating the facts so people are aware that it wasn't rape.

This has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, also by the mods.

bookworm007 · 17-12-2009 4:33pm

oceanclub wrote: »

So we're been led to believe that in a county which has an abysmally low conviction for sexual assault, the lowest in the country(*) that somehow one of the few that happens is a miscarriage of justice?

(*) To put that in perspective, in 2006, out of 336 people counselled for rape, 95 went to the Gardai, and there were precisely four convictions.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/08/31/story12117.asp

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And on with the rape discussion......

Sexual assault...but sure he's a nice lad..Mod Warning Post 275

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