Everything Else Hip Hop

full videos of nas performing illmatic at SXSW in texas. The full concert is now on nas's vevo channel on youtube.

have to say though this concert has the worst atmosphere iv ever witnessed in just about any big event, its the same for all the acts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q81lInyFZfE#!

liking this one from swiss beats ft ASAP Rocky, pretty much confirms a Ruff ryders comeback this year too.

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Tony yayo on the turntables? wtf

Lol what? That's premo !

@jimmy : on the phone can't qoute , but Ye the crowd were terrible a lot of non hip hop heads tbh by the looks of it.

Actually made it harder to watch the artists perform, obviously if the crowd were buzzing it would rub of on the rappers.

2 classic albums in illmatic and get rich were performed from start ro finish to a crowd who barely looked to appeiciate it.

Had a listen of both of those obie tracks earlier mate and tbh they are both cat IMO, Richard ft eminem is horrible.

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I'm joking, he just really sounds like Yayo with the back up rapping.

Ah right lol , hard to spot if sarcasim on the net sometimes !

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Yeah the lad thinks because cham won a grammy he's a hip hop god. Youtube is packed to the brim with absolute turkeys.

what did cham win a grammy for?

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means

All things considered - Eminem, 50 and Dre rapping over a Dre beat - it is a terrible song, absolutely awful compared to their usual standard.

I think to compare crack a bottle to those 3s usual standard we would have to go back to at least the mid/early 00s.

Crack a bottle is nearly as good as it gets from these 3 judging by their recent efforts, I just didn't think it was that bad a song for a single compared to that of what other rappers are releasing that somehow is acceptable as hip hop.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think to compare crack a bottle to those 3s usual standard we would have to go back to at least the mid/early 00s.

Crack a bottle is nearly as good as it gets from these 3 judging by their recent efforts, I just didn't think it was that bad a song for a single compared to that of what other rappers are releasing that somehow is acceptable as hip hop.

Even if they were judged only by their recent work, Crack a Bottle is still exceptionally bad, everything about it.

There's not much argument, I mean Dre didn't just say it didn't deserve to win - it still won the grammy but Dre doesn't acknowledge it and doesn't count it as an award/achievement..what can you say when the guy that produced and performed it says that? I wouldn't consider it mixtape material tbh, I still remember hearing it for the first time one night in the car and just being gobsmacked at how bad it was.

Of course there's an arguement to it. Dre never actually said the song was bad , All he said was he doesn't adknowledge the Grammy because they were forced to release it because of the leak and he felt it was rushed and lacked soul or something along those lines as far as I can remember.

If he genuinally taught the song was as bad as you say it is, do you think he would have actually gave it to em for the relapse album?

At lot of people Mightn't of liked it and Iv never said it was a classic or even a great song but it's by no means terrible IMO , Iv heard a 100 times worse over the years including INAD from dre.

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Can't remember that song tbh must give it a listen !

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means but not a song worthy of a grammy either even dre said that !.

the song was rushed and forced out because of a leak as far as I can remember.

I'm one of Cham's biggest fans but I hate the song now. I played it too much years ago and can't stand it now. There are far better songs on that album. Check out "Rain" feat. Scarface. It's my favourite off the album. Unbelievable song.

Yea Crack a Bottle leaked alright. IIRC it was just Dre and Em's verses that leaked first and then 50's verse was in the later version.

At the time I thought it was brilliant for the main reason that it was the first official Eminem song in an eternity and I was excited for his album. That feeling lasted about a week until I realised that it's really a very poor song.

Il give it a listen when I'm on the laptop tommow and see what I think of it.

Crack a bottle was a huge hit in fairness, I think it set a record as the fastest selling single in a week on iTunes only to bet by black eyed peas the following week.

But I remember the song getting pretty big radio play over here aswell as a bit of rotation in the niteclubs at the time.

I just honestly have heard much much worse over the years from so called rappers.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Of course there's an arguement to it. Dre never actually said the song was bad , All he said was he doesn't adknowledge the Grammy because they were forced to release it because of the leak and he felt it was rushed and lacked soul or something along those lines as far as I can remember.

If he genuinally taught the song was as bad as you say it is, do you think he would have actually gave it to em for the relapse album?

At lot of people Mightn't of liked it and Iv never said it was a classic or even a great song but it's by no means terrible IMO , Iv heard a 100 times worse over the years including INAD from dre.

He didn't say it was bad but he clearly implied it. It made it onto Relapse as it had already been leaked and the label threw it onto the album to capitalize on that. If Dre had his way the track would have never seen the light of day.

But it could also be implied that he was extremely piss*d at it being leaked and therefore having to rush it without really giving it the extra touches he maybe wanted for it.

I mean look at all the detox leaks, under pressure ft jay z is a similar situation and that was scrapped so I think if crack a bottle wasnt going to see the light of day it wouldn't have just like under pressure

Even when INAD was leaked and most of us taught it was an eminem leftover , the song still saw the light of day despite the leak so I think if dre wants to shelf something he does it, we all know how he is.

Eminem didn't need crack a bottle, you know yourself eminem is one of very few rappers that could pretty much gain a buzz from a blank cd with his name on it lol

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Terrible is too weak a word. He rap-scatted on that song.

INAD is pop but crack a bottle is not, how does that work? INAD had a very very strong message, what was the message for crack a bottle?

Also wtf at INAD not being as hip-hop as CAB, CAB was nonsense it just happened to have 3 rappers and a producer does not make it good or more hip-hop than a song which had 2 of the same people and actually had a message and good lyrics.

(worst, most non sensical multis in a song ever too in CAB by the way - something eminem poked fun at in a freestyle a while back. The only redeeming feature of CAB is the beat is quite good and Dre makes some sense compared to Eminem on the song)

i think terrible is too weak a word for INAD, think about it when INAD leaked nobody liked it and most sites declared it as a recovery leftover because thats what it sounds like.

it does not for 1 minute sound like a dre song, it is pure rubbish from 1 of gangsta raps poineers. if INAD didnt have the video it did, i honestly dont think you'd be calling it a good song.

CAB kept it more hip hop is what i said because it didnt have a pop ft and hook and a wack ass beat too go along with it, it actually had a typical catchy eminem hook with verses from 3 rappers, fair enough they werent anything amazing but it was a radio single most of them have similiar content these days.

here's the two instrumentals, give them another listen. theres no competion man imo , its slow in tempo ye and not great by any means but its not terrible by any means either.

the INAD beat come on be real here, ye there a good concept behind the song but the actual song is terrible. there also was a good concept behind CAB with em,50 and dre on the same song which was suppose to lead up to the release of all 3s albums simultaneously.

you cant tell me the INAD beat sounds anything other than a pop record, like i said ye CAB was slow in tempo and not great but as far as comparing the two for me...

CAB>>>>>>INAD all day every day. it sounds like a hip hop song not a pop one.

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

INAD told the story of Dre and Eminem, it had a strong message and good lyrics.

"So crack a bottle, let your body waddle
Don't act like a snobby model"

Really? This is not pop, corny and nonsense?
Eminems verse on INAD actually made sense whereas CAB it did not.

The INAD beat is a better beat, it sounds better and has much more going on. It may not be a typical Dre beat but that is called change and progression not change and regression which is what CAB was.

you keep going on about the concept of INAD we have been over this a few times, even on the detox thread i told you it was a good concept but imo a terrible song (the way it sounds).

but what was the need for the pop ft and beat? what could of been a great song turned out commercial as fu*k, the beat and pop ft on INAD made up for the corny-ish hook by em on CAB.

but you know what eminem is like he's always had that element of corny nonsense in his music, its nothing new at all in fact you would expect it from eminem in most of his lead singles from just about all his albums bar recovery really.

INAD wasnt even a dre beat man it was produced by Alex da kid from the uk who's got a history of pop-ish beats for urban artists like rihanna, b.o.b etc. I cant believe for 1 second you think INAD is a better beat than CAB, ye both are nothing special but honestly man i know which one has more hip hop elements than the other that was actually prod by a hip hop legend, its nothing to do with progression , its to with the fact dre sold out and went commercial on INAD.