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New UPC 100mb Thomson TWG870UIR Router
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14-05-2011 11:16pm#1
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Sam the Sham wrote: »This was my fear. I'm afraid that if the Thomson can't be made to act as a simple modem, that's a dealbreaker for me.
Have you tried logging in as "admin" with a blank password?
I have logged in, am very tech savvy and can't for the life of me make it work as a cable modem alone.
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i'm actually having the same issues. at first i thought i was doing okay as everything seemed to work fine, but i hadn't looked at the port forwards to my NAS etc. and they're not working since i got the thompson in.
i have my router in the dmz of the thompson, but they still aren't working at all.
i even tried a blanket port forward for everything directly to the dmz host, but that made no difference either.
if i have to manually replicate every port forward on both routers every time i want to set one up it's going to be a major PITA, even if it actually works. 0 -
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Heres a small tut that I wrote about this a few months ago. This should sort you out.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71665694&postcount=452
-Mick.0 -
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Does doing that still let you use the phone service?Heres a small tut that I wrote about this a few months ago. This should sort you out.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71665694&postcount=452
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AlmightyCushion wrote: »Please do. I might look into getting the 50Mb or 100Mb during the summer but I'd need the phone working and I spent a lot of money on my router so I don't want to get rid of it.
Will do.
While I can't say for definite, I don't see how the phone wouldn't work with the Thomson modem. DMZ mode is a very different type of config as opposed to the bridge mode on the previous Cisco EPC2425. It doesn't actually limit any functions on the Thomson - it merely allows port forwarding rules to be managed by another device (router). The phone should work fine.
I must also say, the Thomson router is pretty damn good. I've had little or no issues since the teething problems I had initially, a few months ago. the Cisco would always randomly reset itself.... throwing out all my config settings. The Thomson however, has never done that, and is happily plodding away with my TP-Link router managing all the traffic and forwarding rules. Happy days.0 -
Hi Mick.
that's pretty much exactly how i've got mine set up, but my port forwarding rules aren't working at all.
can you confirm that yours definitely are?
i.e. that you can browse to your external IP / dyndns hostname from any internet connection outside of your own and access stuff on your LAN behind your router via port forwards set up on that router alone, not on the thompson?
also if it helps, i can confirm 100% that the phone works fine with it set up like this. 0 -
Hi Mick.
that's pretty much exactly how i've got mine set up, but my port forwarding rules aren't working at all.
can you confirm that yours definitely are?
i.e. that you can browse to your external IP / dyndns hostname from any internet connection outside of your own and access stuff on your LAN behind your router via port forwards set up on that router alone, not on the thompson?
also if it helps, i can confirm 100% that the phone works fine with it set up like this.
Smashing info about the phone Vibe, good to know!
Yes indeed, all my forwarding rules are working perfectly fine.
I had a dyndns account which I used to set up a webpage running from my own PC here - which worked perfectly fine. The only reason its not running anymore is due to a fault with the server machine that it was set up on.
The other current forwarding rule which is always on, and always accessible is a simple Unreal Tournament game server - which is working perfectly, and viewable from Gamespys master list also. To confirm (if you have the game installed) feel free to PM me for the IP address of the server.
EDIT: What router are you using?0 -
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good to know, i think i'll take another look at my config then, maybe i missed something.
until recently (i.e. when i knew for sure when the 100mbps was actually coming out), i've been using a linksys wrt54gs (directly connected to a gigabit switch with ethernet running outside to the upstairs computer room where there is another gb switch) running the tomato firmware for the last couple of years, but although it's served me well, i knew it wouldn't be up to the task of fully utilising the 100mbps and as i didn't want to lose my bandwidth monitoring and other great features of tomato, i had to find something to take it's place that would fit the bill.
so i'm now running a linksys e3000 (full 2.4ghz & 5hz dual band + gigabit ethernet) with a modified version of tomato v1.28 with a few extra features and it's been great so far, until i had my port forwarding issues with the new router.
it meant i could remove one of the switches from the equation and still keep gigabit speeds throughout my LAN, although I'd be a lot happier with a nice dinky little standalone docsis3 modem rather than the ruddy great surfboard of a thing that the thompson router is. seriously, could it BE any bigger??? :eek:
thing is, when all is said and done, with the way it's set up now i was working from home via vpn all day (and night:() yesterday doing some quite intensive work and at the same time, another PC was torrenting at 30mbps and at one point my wife was on a skype video call to a friend in tenerife and you really couldn't tell that anything was going on on the network at all.
so it's a pretty minor issue that i have really. 0 -
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good to know, i think i'll take another look at my config then, maybe i missed something.
until recently (i.e. when i knew for sure when the 100mbps was actually coming out), i've been using a linksys wrt54gs (directly connected to a gigabit switch with ethernet running outside to the upstairs computer room where there is another gb switch) running the tomato firmware for the last couple of years, but although it's served me well, i knew it wouldn't be up to the task of fully utilising the 100mbps and as i didn't want to lose my bandwidth monitoring and other great features of tomato, i had to find something to take it's place that would fit the bill.
so i'm now running a linksys e3000 (full 2.4ghz & 5hz dual band + gigabit ethernet) with a modified version of tomato v1.28 with a few extra features and it's been great so far, until i had my port forwarding issues with the new router.
it meant i could remove one of the switches from the equation and still keep gigabit speeds throughout my LAN, although I'd be a lot happier with a nice dinky little standalone docsis3 modem rather than the ruddy great surfboard of a thing that the thompson router is. seriously, could it BE any bigger??? :eek:
thing is, when all is said and done, with the way it's set up now i was working from home via vpn all day (and night:() yesterday doing some quite intensive work and at the same time, another PC was torrenting at 30mbps and at one point my wife was on a skype video call to a friend in tenerife and you really couldn't tell that anything was going on on the network at all.
so it's a pretty minor issue that i have really.
A fairly similar set up to my own actually!
With the exception of the Tomato firmware. I'm planning on buying two (more) of the TP-Link router I have, and install Tomato on one, and DD-WRT on the other, and keep the original at stock. Just for testing and messing about with really. What modded version of v1.28 are you using?
Totally agree on the size of the modem - I didn't want it tbh. Cisco have some lovely dinky DOCSIS3 modems which have pretty much the same features as the thomson, but still the same size as the Cisco SA2203. UPC NL supply them to customers who don't require wireless, but UPC Ireland dont. Ah well. I'll have to get over it.
Check out your config again. Feel free to PM if ya need anything, but I'm sure you'll get it sorted.0 -
UPC NL supply them to customers who don't require wireless, but UPC Ireland dont. Ah well. I'll have to get over it.
The question is: why don't they? There is clearly demand for it. Some people have invested quite a lot in their own LAN hardware and don't want UPC screwing it up with third-rate equipment that can't be configured properly.
In the past, UPC offered the Cisco (POS) combined modem/router but also a Scientific Atlanta modem only for those who wanted it. It's what I have on my line right now. I'd like to go to 100Mb, but I'm not prepared to put another router I don't need on my LAN.
Also, can someone explain why we can't buy our own modems and install them?0 -
Sam the Sham wrote: »The question is: why don't they? There is clearly demand for it. Some people have invested quite a lot in their own LAN hardware and don't want UPC screwing it up with third-rate equipment that can't be configured properly.
In the past, UPC offered the Cisco (POS) combined modem/router but also a Scientific Atlanta modem only for those who wanted it. It's what I have on my line right now. I'd like to go to 100Mb, but I'm not prepared to put another router I don't need on my LAN.
Also, can someone explain why we can't buy our own modems and install them?
There is a very small demand for just ethernet modems, such as you and me. But most consumers wouldn't require them. Its extra cost for UPC to maintain more contracts to supply a small number of non-wifi modems.
Compare the number of people who don't want a Wifi modem to the number of subscribers that UPC have - its very small. And miniscule compared to UPC's network in the Netherlands, whose infrastructure is far greater - thus allowing extra options for modems.
UPC (normally*) don't allow customers to use their own modems due to issues with support. UPC don't want to have to deal with the extra hassle of denying support (or providing limited support) to customers who have issues with LAN configuration of their own devices - which I believe is fair enough.
Anyway - the Thomson works fine. Check my post above for further info on using your own router with the Thomson, by using the DMZ mode. Of course, its not ideal for some, but its not too much hassle to switch the settings, and is perfectly stable once done.
*Saying that, when I had issues with the EPC2425, I requested UPC to provision my own modem on the network, to bypass the hassle and cost involved with replacing my faulty modem. They did it, and I had no further issues.
Apologies if I'm not explaining my points very well. Haven't slept in about 2 days. I'll check back again later. 0 -
*Saying that, when I had issues with the EPC2425, I requested UPC to provision my own modem on the network, to bypass the hassle and cost involved with replacing my faulty modem. They did it, and I had no further issues.
I'd be interested to hear what magic words you said to them. Cable modems are relatively cheap. I'd sign up to their 100Mb service and an extra 12 months in a heartbeat if I could have my own modem on the line. 0 -
its the E3000 VPN build of tomatoUSB, there's some great features of it and once i pointed the new router to the bandwidth logs from my old router that i have saved on my NAS, it uses them as if it generated them itself, so i still have all my old usage logs going back to 2009.What modded version of v1.28 are you using? 0 -
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i'd be happy to test it for you if you want to hand over your login details!has anyone tried to max out their 100mb connection using a usenet provider? I'm on astraweb and my speed varies from 40-55mb.
Astraweb claim they can max out a 100mb connection and I have seen this confirmed by users.
on the plus side, i just checked my dyndns url for my NAS & router and they both seem to be working now, so it appears to have sorted itself out. maybe it just took time to update the routing table or something like that.
all sorted anyway, so i can confirm that the instructions in roast's guide do indeed work (not sure why there was a delay with mine) to give you (more or less) the same results as the old bridge mode in the cisco epc2425, BUT that the phone ports still work.0 -
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its the E3000 VPN build of tomatoUSB, there's some great features of it and once i pointed the new router to the bandwidth logs from my old router that i have saved on my NAS, it uses them as if it generated them itself, so i still have all my old usage logs going back to 2009.
Man, thats fairly tasty.... definitely going to have a go of that build, cheers!Sam the Sham wrote: »I'd be interested to hear what magic words you said to them. Cable modems are relatively cheap. I'd sign up to their 100Mb service and an extra 12 months in a heartbeat if I could have my own modem on the line.
No trickery involved.
I was having issues with the modem, advised them that the modem was constantly resetting itself. They came to the obvious conclusion that the modem was faulty and that they would have to send me a new one. I told them I had my own modem lying around, and would be willing to use that to save them the cost of sending a new modem out. They took the MAC address, and provisioned it on the network, and I was up and running within a half an hour. Happy days!i'd be happy to test it for you if you want to hand over your login details!
on the plus side, i just checked my dyndns url for my NAS & router and they both seem to be working now, so it appears to have sorted itself out. maybe it just took time to update the routing table or something like that.
all sorted anyway, so i can confirm that the instructions in roast's guide do indeed work (not sure why there was a delay with mine) to give you (more or less) the same results as the old bridge mode in the cisco epc2425, BUT that the phone ports still work.
I know nothing about USENET, so I can't really comment. :pac:
Good to hear your config is working again. Very strange about the delay. I'll see if the same thing happens me when I eventually get another router with Tomato. Good to hear the guide was helpful though, cheers.
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Just got the new modem this evening..
It looks like the thomson actually has what we want, but UPC have opted to disable it.
Go to "Network" on the top bar, then "Portbase PassThrough" on the left menu.This page allows the configuration of each Ethernet Port. Per default, each Ethernet port is routed. If you enable the Passthrough, the Ethernet Port will have a direct connection to the Network. Note that access to this web access can be denied by your Cable operator.
So what are the odds we can get someone in UPC to decide to change the router provisioning to allow access to this feature? 0 -
Just got the new modem this evening..
It looks like the thomson actually has what we want, but UPC have opted to disable it.
Go to "Network" on the top bar, then "Portbase PassThrough" on the left menu.
So what are the odds we can get someone in UPC to decide to change the router provisioning to allow access to this feature?
Slim to none I'm afraid! :pac:0 -
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they *sometimes* come with a wireless N usb adapter. mine didn't and some people on the main thread have also not had one in the box. i think it comes with them with the earlier boxes (leftover from the 100mbps pilot) and some of these may still be in circulation with the installers, but newer ones probably don't, so upc can make an extra few quid selling you one instead.I can confirm the router does come with a USB wireless N adapter
that's just guesswork on my part tho, but it seems odd that some people were getting them and others aren't, particularly if upc are trying to sell them on now.
still, hard to complain at that price and my work laptop is already wireless n (and dual band) so i just need one for the wife's netbook as everything else in the house is wired aside from my wife's mobile phone and she doesn't use that online at home anyway.0 -
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I'm getting 9mb up but never ever above 49mb down using the upc speed test page.
Just ran it now and got the following :-
Have I got a 50mb connection instead of a 100mb one or does it take a few days to reach full speed or something?Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/
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I got upgraded to the 100mb package at home yesterday. Upload speed is 8.9Mbps, but download is sitting at 40-60Mbps. Spent some time talking to their second level support and apparently this is a very common issue. Have to wait for an enginerr to call out to check the line 0
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Heres a small tut that I wrote about this a few months ago. This should sort you out.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71665694&postcount=452
-Mick.
Great guide Mick...thanks.
Ive just signed up for the 50Mb option coming from the 30Mb with the cisco epc2425 so im gonna be faced with this issue in a few days as im curently using a Netgear wndr3700 equipped with DD-WRT to deal with my crap.
I mainly use port forwarding for uTRorrent and Xbox Live. WHo knows, maybe i wont even need to set it up. If the Thomson works ok on XBL without any drop-outs i might leave it.0 -
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