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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

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    #1922
    Cookiemunster
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    Brennans Row wrote: »

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    Shannon Commercial Properties has a planning application (15330) made for a large extension to the GE Sensing building (Shannon Free Zone East).

    I wonder do they manufacture sensors and sensing instruments for the aviation industry too?

    Nope. Flow, gas and moisture sensors for the oil and gas industry.


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    #1923
    Airbus330
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    Rumour on Twitter this evening that Czech Airlines are axing both Prague and Ibiza from Cork, probably won't be confirmed until next week though.

    Also anyone know what a/c is operating the SNN-Izimir? Presuming its a 737-800?


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    #1924
    JCX BXC
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    Airbus330 wrote: »

    Also anyone know what a/c is operating the SNN-Izimir? Presuming its a 737-800?

    Yep its a Sun Express 737-800.


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    #1925
    Jamie2k9
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    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/shannon-airport-must-access-new-route-fund-to-expand-1-6769432

    A Limerick Travel Agent think's the taxpayer should support a route fund for Shannon. In other words SNN are unable to attract carriers to the airport.


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    #1926
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/shannon-airport-must-access-new-route-fund-to-expand-1-6769432

    A Limerick Travel Agent think's the taxpayer should support a route fund for Shannon. In other words SNN are unable to attract carriers to the airport.
    May you give a reasonable argument rather than making blatant statements designed to annoy us here in the Clare fourm?


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    #1927
    Jhcx
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/shannon-airport-must-access-new-route-fund-to-expand-1-6769432

    A Limerick Travel Agent think's the taxpayer should support a route fund for Shannon. In other words SNN are unable to attract carriers to the airport.

    From what ive been reading last few weeks i wouldnt exactly say it is a false statement. whether they have been trying or not is a different story.


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    #1928
    Airbus330
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/shannon-airport-must-access-new-route-fund-to-expand-1-6769432

    A Limerick Travel Agent think's the taxpayer should support a route fund for Shannon. In other words SNN are unable to attract carriers to the airport.

    And what's your point? Another idiotic statement by the clueless Jamie2K9.

    You pretty much skipped over all the positives in that article. Why do you bother commenting on this thread when you offer nothing constructive to offer or anything even worth discussing?


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    #1929
    Lady Chatterton
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    Mod Warning

    Attack the post not the poster.


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    #1930
    highlydebased
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    While it doesn't appear to be a SNN exclusive fund if it were to be setup, to give credit to jamie the tone of the article suggests that such a fund is imperative. Realistically it would just be like a similar fund (regional air connectivity fund) recently setup in the UK to basically subsidise hobby-horse routes like Norwich to Newcastle https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418094/start-up-aid-applications-received.pdf


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    #1931
    Jamie2k9
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    And what's your point? Another idiotic statement by the clueless Jamie2K9.

    You pretty much skipped over all the positives in that article. Why do you bother commenting on this thread when you offer nothing constructive to offer or anything even worth discussing?

    Its a fund which proves time and time again to never work and airlines drop once the money taps stops.

    SNN and ORK can't attract airlines and taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill (again in |SNN's case) as they will never be viable. Even Ryanair seem very cautious at SNN this time but use the aircraft excuse for the PR spin.

    Throwing money at problems doesn't fix them so that's my point.

    As for not offering anything constructive, I post here to ensure that people remain in reality rather than on cloud 9.


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    #1932
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Its a fund which proves time and time again to never work and airlines drop once the money taps stops.

    SNN and ORK can't attract airlines and taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill (again in |SNN's case) as they will never be viable. Even Ryanair seem very cautious at SNN this time but use the aircraft excuse for the PR spin.

    Throwing money at problems doesn't fix them so that's my point.

    As for not offering anything constructive, I post here to ensure that people remain in reality rather than on cloud 9.

    Stop trolling, tax payers have not footed any bill for Shannon.


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    #1933
    Cosmo Kramer
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Stop trolling, tax payers have not footed any bill for Shannon.

    Of course they have, to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euro. It is a complete denial of reality to suggest otherwise.


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    #1934
    JCX BXC
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Of course they have, to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euro. It is a complete denial of reality to suggest otherwise.

    The DAA took that debt. Taxpayers are not involved and it is biased ignorance to suggest otherwise.


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    #1935
    Jamie2k9
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The DAA took that debt. Taxpayers are not involved and it is biased ignorance to suggest otherwise.

    The daa who then pay dividends to the taxpayer.....


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    #1936
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    The daa who then pay dividends to the government.....

    The DAA who caused that debt within their own operations?

    The DAA also service Corks Debt so it doesn't affect them. Is this not free money from the tax payer?


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    #1937
    Jamie2k9
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The DAA who caused that debt within their own operations?

    The DAA also service Corks Debt so it doesn't affect them. Is this not free money from the tax payer?

    Cork is part of the daa SNN is not who also are not paying dividends because of the rock bottom deal they offered to a certain carrier!


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    #1938
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Cork is part of the daa SNN is not
    This makes a difference....how? SNN was part of the DAA when they had the debt.
    SNN who also are not paying dividends because of the rock bottom deal they offered to a certain carrier!

    That's completely irrelevant. Plenty of airports offer rock bottom deals to RYR, why should this make a difference?


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    #1939
    Davys Fits
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Cork is part of the daa SNN is not who also are not paying dividends because of the rock bottom deal they offered to a certain carrier!

    Im trying to make sense of this statement. Maybe a full stop is needed somewhere to clear up what looks like SNN owe somebody something for offering a cheap deal to ryanair? Is this referring to Ryanair pre SNN independence or now.


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    #1940
    elastico
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Of course they have, to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euro. It is a complete denial of reality to suggest otherwise.

    Firstly have you a link to support that?

    Secondly have you taken into consideration all the tourists Shannon deliver into the region each summer and the downstream net contribution these tourists make to the countries finances?

    Do you know how many people are working in international companies in Shannon and Limerick as a result of international connectivity to Europe and the US from Shannon. How much income for the state does this generate? It far exceeds any support given to Shannon airport.

    At worst Shannon is a loss leader, like a supermarket offering cheap alcohol or crisps, once in the door the punters spends a lot more.


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    #1941
    Brennans Row
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Of course they have, to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euro. It is a complete denial of reality to suggest otherwise.
    You intentionally keep on ignoring Aer Rianta International, a company founded in Shannon by the Shannon Airport Authority in 1988 on the back of its experience in Duty Free.

    The Dublinization of Aer Rianta began with Seamus Brennan’s State Airports Act in 2004, which effectively gave Dublin €720 million - monies from the sale of Aer Rianta assets (including stakes in overseas airports), ARI assets, ARI profits and the sale of the Great Southern Hotel Group.

    The DAA made another €160m in profits from ARI between 2004-2012.

    Much of these proceeds went into funding the construction of Terminal 2.

    The then Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar told the Dáil in 2012 that Shannon could not be burdened with the borrowings ARI will need to grow its business in the future, even though ARI had €450 million of accumulated profits. :rolleyes:

    Mr Varadkar also indicated that Shannon’s written off debt, estimated at €100 million, was adequate compensation for a stake in ARI.

    That was some trade-off!


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    #1942
    Jamie2k9
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    Much of these proceeds went into funding the construction of Terminal 2.

    No they didn't, hence why daa have the debit for T2 on the books!


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    #1943
    Brennans Row
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    No they didn't, hence why daa have the debit for T2 on the books!
    Yes they did.

    There is a reference in the DAA’s History Timeline (1995) where ARI’s stake in Birmingham was sold for a substantial profit and used to fund the construction of Terminal 2.


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    #1944
    Jamie2k9
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    Brennans Row wrote: »
    Yes they did.

    There is a reference in the DAA’s History Timeline (1995) where ARI’s stake in Birmingham was sold for a substantial profit and used to fund the construction of Terminal 2.

    OK part but not all by a long shot. I'm sure it also covered SNN and ORK terminals also......


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    #1945
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    OK part but not all by a long shot. I'm sure it also covered SNN and ORK terminals also......

    Where do you think the debts for Shannon and Cork came from? New terminals followed by mismanagement by the DAA lead the debts to grow. Some stupid mistakes were made, including paying RYR something like €1 per passenger. Coupled with no/little operating profit and a growing debt there was a massive fall in passenger numbers at both SNN and ORK (SNN having a more significant fall).

    I thought this was common knowledge?


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    #1946
    Airbus330
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    Who's on the so called "cloud 9" Jamie2K9?

    Think the SG €21.1 million turnover in 2014 is a considerable improvement on the year on year loss making position the airport was in under the shambles that are the DAA. Now that its growing and has huge opportunities, it's hilarious that the "tax payer" suddenly seems to be funding it? Pity the DAA didn't indentify the potential instead of running it into the ground.

    Leaving FR aside why is that UA, AA, DL and EI all operates flights from SNN? They don't owe anything to the airport but yet continue to increase and expand on services given the growing demand? Try looking at the Red C research and see the surge in tourists numbers in the West after the airport was made independent and new routes were established with European routes. Is this just a coincidence?

    Cliffs of Moher numbers for one exceeded the 1 million mark; o but according to Micheál Martin SNN apparently adds nothing to the economy. (Yawwn) Please it's time the Dublin folk are taken down a notch or two. Plucking things out thin air and the nonsense of the taxpayer garbage is completely false.

    As was pointed out earlier plenty of airports give airlines like FR deals. Why is it suddenly a crime that SNN can? Whats the problem with it? It's bring passengers through the airport who spend money in the airport duty free, car parks, restaurants etc and to the region? So I'm kind of lost understanding why particular posters are so fixated on this? Get over it. Ryanair didn't just decide to start adding new routes from DUB for the craic they've clearly reached an agreement with the DAA so please, let's get over that one its well used up at this stage.


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    #1947
    Jamie2k9
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Where do you think the debts for Shannon and Cork came from? New terminals followed by mismanagement by the DAA lead the debts to grow. Some stupid mistakes were made, including paying RYR something like €1 per passenger. Coupled with no/little operating profit and a growing debt there was a massive fall in passenger numbers at both SNN and ORK (SNN having a more significant fall).

    I thought this was common knowledge?

    So SNN would be a better place today without the terminal. Just like SNN are wasting money doing up their arrivals hall again?


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    #1948
    Airbus330
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    So SNN would be a better place today without the terminal. Just like SNN are wasting money doing up their arrivals hall again?

    Who's "wasting" money doing up the arrivals hall?


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    #1949
    Jamie2k9
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    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Who's "wasting" money doing up the arrivals hall?

    SAA


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    #1950
    Airbus330
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    SAA

    But how is it wasting money if needs to be done up?


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    #1951
    Jamie2k9
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    Airbus330 wrote: »
    But how is it wasting money if needs to be done up?

    What determines "needs", I'm sure if doing it current job as it is.

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing however it could be viewed as wasting money!


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