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Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

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    #1112
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Chris___ wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    I'd hardly think an Irish person would travel to Africa and take photos of a black man and then bring this person back to Ireland and take photos of him in and around the Maynooth area to set up a fake profile. .

    True enough. Still doesn't make sense to judge the other billion and something by him though.
    Chris___ wrote: »
    Before we take in anyone they should be vetted and anyone who does come in should be excluded from certain welfare payments JSA/DA and deported if they don't seek work.

    They already are.


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    #1113
    MathDebater
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    What vettings take place, Nodin? Please cite sources.


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    #1114
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Chris___ wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    I'd hardly think an Irish person would travel to Africa and take photos of a black man and then bring this person back to Ireland and take photos of him in and around the Maynooth area to set up a fake profile.

    Before we take in anyone they should be vetted and anyone who does come in should be excluded from certain welfare payments JSA/DA and deported if they don't seek work.

    Yes because only Africans are black men. Do you think he could have taken a pic off the internet and are you sure the pic is of Maynooth


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    #1115
    MathDebater
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    The stuff some of you people are willing to defend is unreal.


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    #1116
    wakka12
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    Nodin wrote: »
    How do you know he was actually African and not some ass clown with a fake account?

    Do you think that its fair to base an assessment of the population of a continent with a population of over 1 Billion on this one (supposedly African) gobshite?

    Not to generalise but a much higher amount of immigrants are homophobic than irish people. Of my 600 fb friends not one irish person made any bad statuses about SSM, in the last 3 days Ive seen about 5 horribly homophobic statuses about the referendum. 3 by muslims from egypt and pakistan, and 2 more by two different nigerians. Some were male and some female.

    Yes its generalising but its also important to protect gay irish people already living here from immigrants who may treat them very badly.


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    #1117
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    It would be very ignorant and wont benefit anybody if we pretend that the majority of muslims aren't very anti gay and womens rights for the sake of political correctness.


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    #1118
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Once again how come we have such a high Nigerian community in Ireland when Nigeria isn't in the EU?


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    #1119
    silverfeather
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Once again how come we have such a high Nigerian community in Ireland when Nigeria isn't in the EU?
    I didn't know we did particularly.


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    #1120
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    silverfeather wrote: »
    I didn't know we did particularly.

    We have a very high Nigerian community and African and Asian.

    How is it so easy to set up shop in Ireland?


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    #1121
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    silverfeather wrote: »
    I didn't know we did particularly.
    Yeah. How many Nigerians are in the country?


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    #1122
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Yeah. How many Nigerians are in the country?

    17,000.


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    #1123
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    silverfeather wrote: »
    I didn't know we did particularly.

    Are you from Dublin? I don't know what its like outside Dublin, immigration wise, but I don't know how could be from anywhere in dublin and not notice a huge nigerian community!


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    #1124
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Are you from Dublin? I don't know what its like outside Dublin, immigration wise, but I don't know how could be from anywhere in dublin and not notice a huge nigerian community!
    There's a good few of them in Limerick too.


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    #1125
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    The point im getting at is how is it so easy for people outside the eu to set up in Ireland.

    I think 41% of Nigerians in Ireland are unemployed, im using Nigeria as an example of how easy it looks.

    This could be applied to a lot of nationalities in Ireland.


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    #1126
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    The point im getting at is how is it so easy for people outside the eu to set up in Ireland.

    I think 41% of Nigerians in Ireland are unemployed, im using Nigeria as an example of how easy it looks.

    This could be applied to a lot of nationalities in Ireland.
    Yeah this is curious. How does Ireland compare to the UK (per head of population of course)?

    In the UK the rate of immigration is insane.


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    #1127
    ravingitup
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ravingitup


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Once again how come we have such a high Nigerian community in Ireland when Nigeria isn't in the EU?

    I would be interested in an answer to that question too, if there is one.

    EU migrants, by virtue of our membership, have the right to reside and work here, and that's a right, for better or for worse. I don't understand the Non-EU migration however, and the sheer numbers involved, particularly from the Middle East and from West Africa; Nigeria, in particular. Do we not have quotas on how many economic migrants we take from non-EU countries?

    I would estimate that the 17,000 figure quoted for Ireland's Nigerian population is significantly off the mark, I would say closer to 20,000+, if I had to put a figure on it.

    I'm just genuinely curious as to how straightforward it seems to be to come here from a Non-EU country, as opposed to the rigorous checks that an Irish citizen has to go through to go to the USA or Australia, for example.


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    #1128
    MathDebater
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    Outside of Irish travellers, Nigerians have the highest unemployment rate out of any group in the state at 39%. Asylum seekers are not considered unemployed and are not included in live register before anyone starts. Other than the British, they are the second highest immigrant group in receipt of rent allowance. In the noughties, 25% of all Nigerian asylum applications made in the OECD were made in Ireland. Less than 1% were awarded refugee status here.

    Can anyone explain this? Did they all come here on work permits and lose their jobs or something?


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    #1129
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    MathDebater wrote: »
    Outside of Irish travellers, Nigerians have the highest unemployment rate out of any group in the state at 39%. Asylum seekers are not considered unemployed and are not included in live register before anyone starts. Other than the British, they are the second highest immigrant group in receipt of rent allowance. In the noughties, 25% of all Nigerian asylum applications made in the OECD were made in Ireland. Less than 1% were awarded refugee status here.

    Can anyone explain this? Did they all come here on work permits and lose their jobs or something?
    Obviously the conditions in Ireland are such that it is very attractive to them. Perhaps the 180 euro a week dole, free rent, free healthcare etc.


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    #1130
    IrishTrajan
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    MathDebater wrote: »
    Can anyone explain this? Did they all come here on work permits and lose their jobs or something?

    The numbers can be attributed to genuine refugee cases (fleeing from Boko Haram), though how much are genuine refugees and how many are economic migrants would be harder to ascertain.


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    #1131
    MorpheusKnight
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The numbers can be attributed to genuine refugee cases (fleeing from Boko Haram), though how much are genuine refugees and how many are economic migrants would be harder to ascertain.

    Nigeria is a large country.

    The north. Ii's primarily Muslim, the South is Catholic.

    I have heard of cases turned down because they still had the option to move to another part, of the South, of the North etc


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    #1132
    MathDebater
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The numbers can be attributed to genuine refugee cases (fleeing from Boko Haram), though how much are genuine refugees and how many are economic migrants would be harder to ascertain.

    Nigeria is larger than Germany and France combined. Boko Haram control an area in the rural north east the size of Belgium. Absolutely no need to flee all the way here. Don't like Brussels, try Paris or Berlin.


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    #1133
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    MathDebater wrote: »
    Net immigration into the UK is 310k. The tories have said that it's their ambition to get it into the 'tens of thousands'. They were clamping down hard on non EU immigration before the election and now that the have a majority government they will be clamping down harder.

    For example, Theresa May has said that they will confiscate all illegal immigrants illegally earned wages. They are now deporting failed asylum seekers and making them appeal from within their home country, instead of allowing them stay in the UK whilst the appeal process is ongoing.

    As we share the Common Travel Area with such a jurisdiction and have much more lax policies, of course we are going to get the overspill. It's as inevitable as night turning to day.

    Yea but the question is where do these people go then? Id say one guess


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    #1134
    tipparetops
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    If Ireland are to take some migrants, we should be looking to take some with our own christian beliefs.
    Christians live in fear in many countries across North Africa, Middle East and South West Asia.
    I think Ireland should be doing more to help these minorities.


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    #1135
    Alexis Sanchez
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    tipparetops wrote: »
    If Ireland are to take some migrants, we should be looking to take some with our own christian beliefs.
    Christians live in fear in many countries across North Africa, Middle East and South West Asia.
    I think Ireland should be doing more to help these minorities.

    Nah, I rather take in the educated and skilled ones, it's much better for the economy and society.


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    #1136
    Nodin
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Are you from Dublin? I don't know what its like outside Dublin, immigration wise, but I don't know how could be from anywhere in dublin and not notice a huge nigerian community!


    How do you know they're Nigerian?


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    #1137
    MathDebater
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Nodin wrote: »
    How do you know they're Nigerian?

    He takes out his ruler and starts measuring their skulls. How do you think he can tell? People have accents, Nodin. It's quite easy to tell where they are from based on their accent. Anyway, can you cite sources to back up your claims that we vet all non EU migrants before they come here?


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    #1138
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    Nah, I rather take in the educated and skilled ones, it's much better for the economy and society.

    In making bombs :)


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    #1139
    Forest Demon
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    MathDebater wrote: »
    Outside of Irish travellers, Nigerians have the highest unemployment rate out of any group in the state at 39%.

    In fairness it's hard to beat the traveller rate of 80%+


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    #1140
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Nodin wrote: »
    How do you know they're Nigerian?

    Because there were lots of them in all the schools and colleges Ive gone to and I knew them, and I know lots of nigerians through friends and social gatherings I go to. Thats what makes me think dublin has a very large nigerian population
    And I assume most black people I see on the streets in dublin are nigerian, which most of them probably are


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    #1141
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    How about taking in none of them?


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