The Freemasons

Nice one Sacksian, just because I'm not a fan of Masonry I must be a Nazi. Typical argument of media-brainwashed people with little mental capacity for an intellectual debate. If this is all you bring to the table you are better off having one of these retarded skit-offs under a youtube video.

Jews were actively involved in the beginnings of Freemasonry in

America. There is evidence they were among those who established

Masonry in 7 of the original 13 states: Rhode Island, New York,

Pennsylvania, Maryland, Georgia, South Carolina, and Virginia.

A Jewish Mason, Moses Michael Hays, helped introduce the Masonic Scottish Rite in America. Hays was also Deputy Inspector General of Masonry for North America in 1768, and Grand Master of Massachusetts from 1788 to 1792. Paul Revere served under him as Deputy Grand Master. There were several other Jews who held the title of Deputy Inspector General of Masonry in the late 1700’s:


Jews had also been involved to a small extent in the formation of

modern Freemasonry in the early 1700’s in England.


Light is an important symbol in both Freemasonry and Judaism.{13}

One of the Jewish holidays is Chanukah, called the Festival of

Lights, commemorating the victory of the Jewish people over those

who had made the practice of our religion a crime punishable by

death around 165 B.C.E. (B.C.E. stands for Before Common Era, and

is used in the Jewish religion as the equivalent of B.C.). Light

is also an important symbol in Masonry, representing the Divine

spirit, religious freedom, and rededication of the Temple in

Jerusalem and of the spiritual Temple within us all.


One of the fundamental symbols of Masonry is the Temple of Solomon and the Second Temple, which also figured as the central part of the Jewish religion. King Solomon, one of the greatest figures in Jewish history, is also one of the most important figures in Masonic rituals.


http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/mar05/freemasonry_and_judaism.htm

Hmm a tiny portion compared to Christians and yet responsible for setting up Freemasonry in over half of the states
seems to be a driving force behind Freemasonry in US bringing Scottish rite etc were they something to do with KKK

Absolam wrote: »

That's a pretty big leap; how did you get to 'responsible for' from 'among those'? It hardly amounts to a 'driving force' when you're 'among those' in only half the states, does it? And then a huge leap out of nowhere to 'were they something to do with KKK' is a bit of a non sequitur don't you think?

why were they not among those in the other 6 then
Scottish rite KKK

Absolam wrote: »

I'm afraid you'll need a few more words for that to be coherent...

http://bit.ly/1nLjO4f

nah they are just fine

Absolam wrote: »

Really? And there's me thinking you made your mind up four years ago...

Really has it been 4 years (and no mention of me having a sit down with a masonic sponsor);)
That was one of my first posts here. so you trawled through my posts and still neglected to address the one where I showed freemasons involvement in the PEF ( you know if you dig deeper you can find the lodge numbers and how much they donated )




Hollywood ,Freemasons,pedophiles ,satanists
perhaps it might worth a deeper look to see how connected they really are ?
I will post here if I find anything interesting

Good men better :rolleyes:

Good to know that you are agree with the junior warden being ostracised from the lodge because he wouldent kowtow to the others who were on the side of the convicted child abuser

here is another example

On the other side of the argument, there have been high-profile examples of Masonic officers fighting corruption. During the Operation Countryman inquiry in the 1980s, it was a Masonic detective chief superintendent, John Simmons, who secretly tape-recorded his brother mason, Detective Chief Inspector Phil Cuthbert, boasting of his villainy and of the involvement of other senior officers in taking bribes and setting up armed robberies. However, Simmons was later ostracised by his lodge, while Cuthbert continued to be welcomed, even after he had been convicted and jailed for three years.

It seems there is no place for good men only good freemasons in Freemasonary

Torakx wrote: »

I think a middle ground can be found there.
It's not that masons are all bad and keep only bad guys( I must presume).
I think it's that they insist on keeping their secrets, whatever they are, and to betray a brother is to possibly betray an oath.
So while one may have been corrupt, the other betrayed his brother/s and oath/s.
Freemasons are made up of all sorts. What I think they have in common is the oaths they take to protect each other.
Which is probably why people don't want them to be in positions of power anymore. They have a secret oath which may or may not conflict with other responsibilities to state and community.
If it's not secret, I wouldn't mind seeing it. I don't remember if any lodge has published it's oaths.

Surely the instance I gave where the good man was ostracised for being good the rest of the lodge went along with it knowingly that makes them complicit
you can hardly call them good men ?

Absolam wrote: »

Eh, no. In neither story you've presented did the 'good men who are good Freemasons' get 'shown the door'.
In your first story the 'good man who is a good Freemason' specifies that the bad Freemason was, in fact, shown the door.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ostracised

Verb 1. ostracize - expel from a community or groupostracize - expel from a community or group
banish, blackball, cast out, ostracise, shun, ban
expel, kick out, throw out - force to leave or move out; "He was expelled from his native country"

My postings to The Burning Taper have been scant lately. I've had business and personal issues to deal with, and frankly, lately my interest in Freemasonry has waned a bit.

It's now been over a year since I was ostracized by my “brothers” in my local blue lodge. Only a couple have I kept in touch with, and they were friends before I was a Mason.

As I was thinking of writing this article — about how I feel today about Freemasonry — I read an email backchannel that was sent by a Mason out West to a blue lodge secretary and to the Grand Master of Texas, informing them that one of their members had recently been arrested in a sting operation involving solicitation of sex from a minor.

That brought back memories of my experiences in my own blue lodge in 2005, when a member pleaded guilty to sexual exploitation of a minor in my hometown.

As then-webmaster of our lodge's website, I posted the news online (pursuant to Georgia Masonic Code, which states that information of that sort should be publicized to show the community that the lodge doesn't tolerate such behavior), and met with a torrent of criticism from my lodge brothers saying, “You can't put that online!” They didn't want the lodge, or the child exploiter's father, a Past Master, “embarrassed.”

As Junior Warden, it fell to me to “be in charge” when the lodge finally voted — remorsefully, as if it was the lodge's fault — to bring charges of unmasonic conduct against the brother who was by then a registered sex offender.

As JW, I signed the paperwork that led to the Masonic trial. The offender, and his Past Master Big-Shot-in-Town father took offense at me personally for having written up the charges, though I had never even met either one of them. Neither had attended a lodge meeting in years.

The full story can be found in parts 1-4 of “Small Town Freemasonry.”

Eventually, in a great imitation of Don Corleone, the father succeeded in having bogus charges of unmasonic conduct threatened against me. He even attended the meeting where another Past Master (who is in line to be Georgia's Grand Master in a few years) stood and accused me of unmasonic conduct for posting the information online. No official charges were ever filed, just threatened, to keep me “in line” until my term as Junior Warden officially ended in December, 2005.

Though of course advancement to the next chair is not guaranteed, here in the South, it's virtually assured. I've seen some most unqualified men advance to the East just because “it was his turn.”

Naturally, before all this happened, it was assumed I would become Worshipful Master when “my turn” came.

But at the election last December, I was unceremoniously dumped from the line by a vote of 27-4. The Godfather and the Heir to the Grand Master's Chair had called in their markers... brothers I'd never seen showed up to vote against me. (I'd missed only two meetings in three-plus years; I knew all the “regulars.”) I was also “deposed” as Director of Masonic Education, a position I'd held with pride for a couple of years. I was replaced by a “team” that could be controlled — a pig farmer who thinks of himself as a minister of God, and a new brother I had helped raise about two months before. I can only imagine the education those two have provided this past year since I've been gone.

It was a given that the Powers That Be didn't want me to come back to lodge meetings after that, and so I haven't.

Tuesday, December 11, is another election, the one I'd looked forward to for years, the one where I would most likely have received the honor of serving as Worshipful Master for 2007.

Ain't gonna happen.

I assume the Powers That Be (unaffectionately remembered as Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum, plus Big Daddy and his pal Bro. Heir to the Grand Master's Throne) are still running things at the lodge, making sure they have their yes men in the Chairs and on their committees.

Same as it ever was.

“Making Good Men Better,” my ass. More like “Making Good Men Stop Attending.”

Image: The state of Masonry in the southern United States today — empty and devoid of any real meaning


http://burningtaper.blogspot.ie/2006/11/why-ill-never-be-worshipful-master.html



some replies from other masons

Big City FellaFriday, December 01, 2006 4:46:00 PM

I must say that you are right. I am a Mason of the Grand Lodge of New York.

In the institution I have found everything from the trite to the disgusting. Individual Blue Lodge officers and others that steal money, Grand Lodge cronies and insiders that skim millions from real estate deals, and dues, a fetid hostility to youth and diversity, a sort of reverse classism (most Lodge folks tend to come from "lower working class" backgrounds), misuse of charitable entities (and Brotherhood fund monies that support them)...

For all of these egregious sins, it is the petty sins, such as pushing young men away, effective segregation, filling up Camp Turk slots with GL leaders' grandchildren and children, giving money and "jobs" in the Lodge and charitable endeavors to children and cronies, the general abscence of healthy, across the board tangible efforts at mutual support, etc.

I am not disgruntled with Masonry, and I am not an ex-Mason. I am disgruntled with the awful sort of people who have taken over some part of our institution.


Tubulcain420Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:25:00 PM

Yes, Brother, sad indeed!
I myself,with about 4 or 5 other brethren havrun into the same mentality in our neck of the woods.
It really is disheartening......
And the statement I can't stand is" oh, just wait , and a cuple of masonic funerals will go by and these people will be gone", well, that is un masonic and BS. Why, because only anointed lemmings fill in when that happens and status quo ensues.
bleak future


ENKIMASONSaturday, February 02, 2008 2:15:00 AM

THIS IS B.S. ANTIMASONS ALREADY SAY WE RITUALLY MOLEST CHILDREN. WE DON'T NEED THIS! I FEEL THAT MOLESTING MASONS SHOULD BE KILLED BY THE BRETHREN. ONE DAY, THEY JUST DISAPPEAR. THERE ARE THINGS A MASON JUST DOES NOT DO. OF COURSE WE KNOW WHAT WOUNDS WILL BE FOUND ON THE BODY, DON'T WE? MORE THAN THE TONGUE SHALL BE REMOVED! MASONRY OCCURRS IN THE "GRAY AREA" OF LIFE, WHERE SOMETIMES A COP MIGHT LET US SLIDE FOR FRATERNAL REASONS. HOWEVER THE BALANCE SHOULD BE A HIGHER PENALTY THAN THE PROFANE RECIEVE FOR SUCH DISGUSTING OFFENSES THAT WILL FUEL ANTIMASONRY FOR DECADES! A DEMON REALLY HAS ENETERED THE LODGE,THE DEMON OF IGNORANCE!

In your second story we only have the non Masonic authors' account (Nick Davies, who has been repeated on many conspiracy websites, despite presenting no evidence whatsoever) of what happened in the Masonic Lodge, for which he provides no evidence, only his opinion. I wonder why he didn't cite a source for his supposed knowledge of events he couldn't have witnessed?

Do you have evidence to the contrary
Because if you dont

You see the conundrum here. We have an award winning and respected investagitve journalist (as far as I can tell)
who wont reveal his sources which I think attests to his integrity
And we have You

Absolam wrote: »

And you can see how that has a different meaning from 'shown the door'?

Your not embarrassed to post that